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stsparky
06-30-2007, 03:11 AM
This struck me as interesting:

Mutations in Moms' Genes Reveal Human Migration Through the Ages (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/06/genographic_project)
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The Genographic Project, a five-year research initiative launched by National Geographic and IBM, traces the migratory history of the human species.
Image: National Geographic Maps

DNA passed down through generations of mothers could help answer big questions about the human journey across continents, thanks to a massive new database created by the The Genographic Project.

The project has already yielded some provocative evidence about modern humans' interactions with Neanderthals. The DNA data shows no evidence of mutations known to be common in Neanderthals, which suggests that modern humans -- at least those of European descent -- may not have mated with the long-extinct humans.

"We don't see any Neanderthal lineages in the European gene pool," said Spencer Wells, a population geneticist and director of the Genographic Project. "It would be my guess that there was no interbreeding. I can’t imagine that humans and Neanderthals didn't give it a try -- maybe they formed infertile offspring. But it's speculative."

The database is the tip of the iceberg for a burgeoning field of science called genetic anthropology, which involves combining DNA data with physical evidence and histories of past civilizations. The database contains more samples than in any previous collection of its kind. As scientists study it further, they expect a detailed history of human migration in Europe will emerge.

Researchers collected mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA, from nearly 80,000 people, who received a report on how their ancestors came to live where they live.

The scientists analyzed mutations in the samples, which came mostly from people of European descent who could afford the $100 fee (another somewhat controversial arm of the project is analyzing mtDNA mutations in indigenous people).

IBM and the National Geographic Society launched the $40 million project in 2005. The database will become publicly available Friday, and the researchers published their first results in the open-access journal PLoS Genetics.

While many scientists believe the new information will be a boon for research, others take issue with the Genographic Project's methods.
The scientists partially analyzed many mutations in nearly 80,000 samples. Instead, said Hans Bandelt of the University of Hamburg, one of the world's foremost mtDNA experts, it would have been more useful to completely sequence a smaller number of samples to get a more complete picture of mutations that have emerged since the Ice Age.

"For the time span of 15,000 to 5,000 years ago, where additional information is badly needed, the genographers can hardly offer anything useful," said Bandelt.

But Stanford University population geneticist Peter Underhill said whole mtDNA-genome sequencing is too expensive. As the project adds information about indigenous people, he added, the database will become even more powerful.

"If you couple their strategy with a breathtaking inventory of DNA samples," Underhill said, "then you've got a powerful, high-definition image of the genetic landscape."

1. https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
2. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/emerging/spencerWells.html
3. http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/04/67289

manrush
06-30-2007, 06:33 PM
I once heard one of my friends tell me that people crossed over the Bering Land Bridge FROM North America and not towards it. But that's a little dubious, because there was no proof offered. But is that still a valid theory?

Trump
06-30-2007, 10:08 PM
There was a thread on this about 2 weeks ago.

http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9151

manrush
06-30-2007, 11:02 PM
What better way to pay homage to that thread than to continue the discussion on this thread?

Jetsetlemming
07-01-2007, 12:01 AM
The project has already yielded some provocative evidence about modern humans' interactions with Neanderthals. The DNA data shows no evidence of mutations known to be common in Neanderthals, which suggests that modern humans -- at least those of European descent -- may not have mated with the long-extinct humans.

"We don't see any Neanderthal lineages in the European gene pool," said Spencer Wells, a population geneticist and director of the Genographic Project. "It would be my guess that there was no interbreeding. I can’t imagine that humans and Neanderthals didn't give it a try -- maybe they formed infertile offspring. But it's speculative."

Yes, because homo sapiens just sprung from the earth one day magically to replace the neanderthals, instead of, you know, EVOLVING FROM THEM GRADUALLY.
Idiocy. Christ.

Buckwheat
07-01-2007, 02:53 AM
Uhh jet i think you might want to reconsider that. There's a theory out there that we both come from the same ancestry, homo erectus, and we happened to beat them out for the niche. This evidence supports the theory that we were different branches of the evolutionary tree that competed for the same space. One had to go.

Trump
07-01-2007, 07:26 PM
Yes, because homo sapiens just sprung from the earth one day magically to replace the neanderthals, instead of, you know, EVOLVING FROM THEM GRADUALLY.
Idiocy. Christ.

Did you actually think about what you wrote or were you being sarcastic? I missed the sarcasm if that was what you meant... So where did the neanderthals come from? You imply they just sprung from the earth magically one day or perhaps they evolved to? Is it not possible to get more than one branch from the same genetic ancestor? ... idiot.

manrush
07-02-2007, 12:52 AM
We know that the first humans to live in Europe were the ancestors of the Basques. The Saami were also a pretty ancient ethnic group. But they are very similar to Indian tribes when it comes to shelter (their tents seem very teepee-like) and music/singing (the joik sounds a lot like Native American chating). It makes me ask this question? Did the ancestors of the Saami come to Arctic Europe from North America during the last Ice Age?

kilreli
07-02-2007, 02:01 AM
guys guys guys. we all know this is wrong. people started from the islands of japan. learn your history, boys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_mythology#Creation
:mario:

Druid
07-02-2007, 04:24 AM
Liez.

stsparky
07-02-2007, 04:43 AM
It was in response to the earlier thread. We could merge the three if wanted.

manrush
07-02-2007, 05:00 AM
There were three threads on this topic? What was the third thread talking about specifically?

stsparky
07-02-2007, 05:35 AM
There were three threads on this topic? What was the third thread talking about specifically?
1. Odd ass Bibical BS about human migration.
2. Creation Myths
3. This one.

Disney's doug89
07-02-2007, 05:58 AM
Yes, because homo sapiens just sprung from the earth one day magically to replace the neanderthals, instead of, you know, EVOLVING FROM THEM GRADUALLY.
Idiocy. Christ.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Neanderthals a different species?

The Neanderthal, Homo neanderthalensis or Neandertal was a species of the Homo genus that inhabited Europe and parts of western Asia.

Humans are homo sapians, and were independent to Neanderthals.

manrush
07-02-2007, 04:30 PM
Yes, they were. And it is valid that both Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon Man (Homo Sapiens rather than Homo Sapiens Sapiens) both evolved from Homo Erectus. Two different species evolving from one common ancestor is nothing new. Natural selection played its part to eliminate the Neanderthals and cement Cro-Magnons in their dominant position.