The REAL Karate Kid

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HIALEAH, Fla. -- A teenager with a brown belt in karate used a samurai sword to scare off a burglar who was after his PlayStation 3 video game console. (http://www.local10.com/news/13466229/detail.html)

I have to say, this is Class-5 awesome in my book. Disappoints me that he didn't carve a Z into the burglar or anything fancy like that :(

[Pierrot le Fou]

Something very wrong with this picture...

Since when do karate folk use swords?

And since when were we giving swords to teenagers?

Let along teenagers who blur the lines between samurai and martial artists?

Dangerous and scary.

Never ever ever going back am I.

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Something very wrong with this picture...

Since when do karate folk use swords?

And since when were we giving swords to teenagers?

Let along teenagers who blur the lines between samurai and martial artists?

Dangerous and scary.

Never ever ever going back am I.
Heh, you apparently haven't been in awhile. In the proper Southeastern US (Florida doesn't count, we kicked them out) that poor bastard would have been looking down the shotgun barrels of Maw, Paw, Big Cooter, Lil' Cooter, Sissy, and Gram. Can I get a yee haw?

[Micah the Great]

I thought karate meant meant "empty handed" or "open fisted" or something. But hell yeah, swords rock... if i were a burglar i'd gtfo.

[Jetsetlemming]

The one burglar they caught was released on bond the very next morning. o___________o

[Dresh]

This guy's not nearly as awesome as England's katana wielding vigilante.

[Jetsetlemming]

This guy's not nearly as awesome as England's katana wielding vigilante.
Is that the guy who busted down his neighbor's door cause he thought his neighbor was raping someone, when it was only a porno turned up loud on the TV?

[ParryDat]

Good Shit from that guy.

Fuck that shit.That is a piece of $600.00 hardware.I would have sliced the burglar to pieces if I was him.

[ParryDat]

Is that the guy who busted down his neighbor's door cause he thought his neighbor was raping someone, when it was only a porno turned up loud on the TV?

Not that guy(I believe the porn dude was from the United States).

There is a guy in England that is a crime fighter.He beat up some guy's real bad with a katana and then the police came and arrested the criminals.

[Mechs]

Nice job to the kid with the sword. But that sword must have been dul or something. The story says the kid got a strike in, but it seems the burgular was not harmed much.

[RandomPasserby]

Nice job to the kid with the sword. But that sword must have been dul or something. The story says the kid got a strike in, but it seems the burgular was not harmed much.
Probably a normal showcase katana,that's stainless steel and dull.

[Dresh]

Not that guy(I believe the porn dude was from the United States).

There is a guy in England that is a crime fighter.He beat up some guy's real bad with a katana and then the police came and arrested the criminals.

Actually the police were already there and almost got their shit ruined before Jubei Yagyu showed up out of nowhere and rescued them.

[ParryDat]

Actually the police were already there and almost got their shit ruined before Jubei Yagyu showed up out of nowhere and rescued them.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I was searching around for the article,but I couldn't find it.

Oh,and I am glad that I am not the only Onimusha player here :D

[SoulPlay]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/offbeat/2007/01/english_samurai_saves_police.html

a link to the samurai vigilante

[SoulPlay]

a more thorough version

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/122243/weird_news_police_officers_aided_by.html

[Knife-Fingered Sue Sanderson]

A friend of my mom's is into fencing. One night a burglar broke in, and she grabbed the sword from her mantle place and pointed it at him and he ran away. fencing sword>katana, I think.

[Hatsumomo]

My sister's godmother had a creepy ex (who blew up her car) and he would skulk around our house (because she fled to our home, gee thanks). My dad would grab his katana and run around the house trying to catch the guy. I would have liked to see what my 300+lb. former football player black belt in judo, karate, and taekwondo father would have done to the guy had he caught him.

[Decade]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/offbeat/2007/01/english_samurai_saves_police.html

a link to the samurai vigilante
Thats cool and all, but can you find me links to the english Batman and Robin currently fighting badguys in the English country side?

Not only is that awesome, it's damn hilarious :rofl:

[Pierrot le Fou]

That's because a dunce learning karate who has a katana probably has no idea what to do with it, how to use it, and has a dull katana.

Someone who knows fencing probably practices, and even if it IS a practice foil/rapier/sabre, they HURT when you get hit, hence the masks and padding when you practice.

(also, fencing form requires you to make a smaller target of your body, and to stay away and gain power through lunges, rather than slashes for the most part, whereas people's image of fighting with a katana is, uh, not quite there)

[Plekto]

Of course the obvious solution would be to use a wooden katana. You can pretty much incapacitate anyone with one and some training. Of course, yeah - if you have a metal one, at least spring for the $600-$1200 and get a real one. Things of beauty. But not for the untrained - way too easy to cut yourself as a newbie.

Though, yeah - a foil/rapier is a nasty thing. Probably the most efficient sword ever devised. You can't really damage things around you that much and at the same time can do varying levels of damage to your opponent. Plus it is extremely fast.

[Pierrot le Fou]

News Flash:

Teenagers should not be given weapons that can incapacitate people. Bad idea. Teenagers are dumb.

Do not give teenagers real swords, real guns, or a spiked chain, or whatever the weapon that's all the rage is. It's asking for trouble.

[Campion]

Thats cool and all, but can you find me links to the english Batman and Robin currently fighting badguys in the English country side?

Not only is that awesome, it's damn hilarious :rofl:

I think you might be confusing two stories Decade.. Do you mean these guys? Fathers4Justice (http://fathers-4-justice.org/f4j//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=44) They are a political pressure group for 'fathers rights' and they tend to appear in court rather than ensure others do.

As for the Vigilante Samurai, I particularly like the wording of the Washington Post article..

Police are now seeking his whereabouts and, while not condoning vigilantism, admit "[t]here is no doubt this person assisted."

..and on our side of the pond that means 'It was nice of him to help, but the law's the law and when we catch this guy he's going down.'


Campion.

[stsparky]

That's because a dunce learning karate who has a katana probably has no idea what to do with it, how to use it, and has a dull katana. ... Someone who knows fencing probably practices, and even if it IS a practice foil/rapier/sabre, they HURT when you get hit, hence the masks and padding when you practice. ... (also, fencing form requires you to make a smaller target of your body, and to stay away and gain power through lunges, rather than slashes for the most part, whereas people's image of fighting with a katana is, uh, not quite there)

Would you tell a burglar the blade was dull? Kid is a Brown Belt and one belt below weapons training. I think it is normally sai and quarterstaff training. Iaido is part of some karate dojo training. And the blades are purposely dull as to not maim your sparring partner. Only fools or masters will handle 'live blades' - I believe Shotokan Karate will teach kendo with the goal being training with shinai ...

[Decade]

I think you might be confusing two stories Decade.. Do you mean these guys? Fathers4Justice They are a political pressure group for 'fathers rights' and they tend to appear in court rather than ensure others do.

No, I thought that was the case too when I first read that article a couple months back, but apparently there's stories of some dudes out in the countryside of England fighting badguys dressed up as Batman and Robin. I remember reading an article about that ONCE, but I cant seem to find it again :meh:

Meh, maybe a new story will show up one day.

[ParryDat]

I believe Shotokan Karate...


Shoto karate is REAL? :eyepop:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Ryu01.gif

[Kal]

Yeah it is.

Training a particular fighting style doesn't mean you have to limit yourself only to bare-hand training, always good to know some weapons training aswell. Kudos to that kid though, I'll bet anything that a lot of people his age would've shat their pants.

[ParryDat]

They were about to take his Ps3 lol.

Fight me to the death over that thing

[ruaidhri]

My two sons learned martial arts from a Grand Master in Doce Pares style Philippine Eskrima, which is primarily a weapons based martial art. They have many swords and knives and fighting sticks and both hold national titles in stick fighting. Both are black belts and both began their training in weapons based defenses 17 years ago.

Their Guro, besides being a Grand Master, was also a police officer. He’s recently retired from the force. Actually, he was the training officer for the department. Recently he trained U.S. Marine and Coast Guard special units in bladed offensive and defensive tactics. At his Martial Arts School, he not only trained his students in weapons and empty handed defenses, he also made sure each student knew the legal limitations of self defense. He constantly told his students that if you defend yourself on the street, or even in your home, you could be defending yourself in court the following day.

He said the object of self defense is to stop someone from hurting you or someone else. That’s it! If the other person stops attacking you then you better stop attacking him (or her). If you don’t, you’ve gone beyond the legal definition of self defense and could be liable both civilly and criminally.

So, what’s my point? Well first, the kid is lucky the intruder didn’t have a gun. Second, going after someone that is fleeing is not only a bad idea it could also put you in jail or defending yourself in a civil action for any injury you might have caused.

You know what my son’s Grand Master instructor told his students about someone robbing them? He told them to give them the money or whatever. It’s never worth it to risk your life for a few dollars. That’s what cops get paid for.

Yes, the media loves a good story about a kid chasing away an intruder but it could very well have been a different story if the intruder were carrying a gun.

[Dresh]

Shoto karate is REAL? :eyepop:

Actually Ryu practices Ansatsuken Karate. Capcom USA translated it as Shotokan because it is more popular and Ansatsuken training involves decidedly lethal techniques (ignoring of course, the fact that Ryu and Ken don't ever kill anybody). The closest representation of Shotokan in the Street Fighter world would be Makoto's fighting style which is related but slightly different.

[ParryDat]

So that is what Shotokan karate is like?Damn,and I always wondered why Makoto was so damn tough.Good players can ace you out in like,a millisecond.

What styles would Yun and Yang be associated with?

[akitaka]

My two sons learned martial arts from a Grand Master in Doce Pares style Philippine Eskrima, which is primarily a weapons based martial art. They have many swords and knives and fighting sticks and both hold national titles in stick fighting. Both are black belts and both began their training in weapons based defenses 17 years ago.

Their Guro, besides being a Grand Master, was also a police officer. He’s recently retired from the force. Actually, he was the training officer for the department. Recently he trained U.S. Marine and Coast Guard special units in bladed offensive and defensive tactics. At his Martial Arts School, he not only trained his students in weapons and empty handed defenses, he also made sure each student knew the legal limitations of self defense. He constantly told his students that if you defend yourself on the street, or even in your home, you could be defending yourself in court the following day.

He said the object of self defense is to stop someone from hurting you or someone else. That’s it! If the other person stops attacking you then you better stop attacking him (or her). If you don’t, you’ve gone beyond the legal definition of self defense and could be liable both civilly and criminally.

So, what’s my point? Well first, the kid is lucky the intruder didn’t have a gun. Second, going after someone that is fleeing is not only a bad idea it could also put you in jail or defending yourself in a civil action for any injury you might have caused.

You know what my son’s Grand Master instructor told his students about someone robbing them? He told them to give them the money or whatever. It’s never worth it to risk your life for a few dollars. That’s what cops get paid for.

Yes, the media loves a good story about a kid chasing away an intruder but it could very well have been a different story if the intruder were carrying a gun.
This is also a good reason as to why most knowledgeable martial artists DON'T EVEN TELL most people of what they do, until they ask. You can be marked as a physical weapon, even if you weren't holding a bat or knife to cause some form of bodily harm in defense. For the most part it's trivial, but not to a dirtbag lawyer who's sharp enough to point that out and convince the judge.

And shotokan's been around for a long while; I hear the main man on the west coast here is sensei Koyama, who's 70 years old and can do the middle splits easy. I took a college seminar from him and 3rd dan sensei Mutes, and good god can he punch. After he found out that I had done tkd/wushu/iaido for 4+ years each, he also figured that I could take a few light hits in self-defense demonstrations. Even at 5'2" he had me staggering like sack of potatoes...

[Psychochink]

You know what my son’s Grand Master instructor told his students about someone robbing them? He told them to give them the money or whatever. It’s never worth it to risk your life for a few dollars.

Every good/experienced martial artist will give this exact same advice.

My current instructor has high level (4th - 5th degree black belts) in Wing Chun, Doce Pares, Pangamot (Filipino Jiu Jitsu), Hocks SFC and is the Australia-Oceania Director for Krav Maga, as well as being qualified in Machado Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He has also helped train Australian SAS troops.

The very first thing that he teaches in weapon self defence is the ancient and mystical 'hand over the wallet' technique.

As I train in Krav Maga, we do a fair amount of weapon defence and the emphasis is always on 'only try this if the good old 'strategic retreat' (run away!) is not an option, and if you do, neutralise the threat and then get the hell out of there.'

As a side note, Karate is fine if you want to take up a sport, but if your objective is self defence, do something else.

[ruaidhri]

Psychochink, so you study Doce Pares. Very interesting. I'm not a student myself but I've watched my sons practice for many, many years. Their Guro is Grandmaster Thomas Sipin, who holds a Doce Pares 9th Degree. I know he has great respect for the Australians. Check with your Guro. I'm sure he knows Tom.

Yes. as you already know, Eskrima assumes that if someone is going to attack you chances are they are going to use a weapon so they start their training with defenses against weapons. What's interesting is that they use the same defenses against bare handed attacks. But, repeating and expanding what you said Grandmaster Sipin gives the following rules for Self Defense.

1) Be a nice person because nice people get into less trouble.
2) Always be aware of where you are and don't walk blindly in trouble.
3) Always plan an escape route and If possible escape.
4) If its not possible to escape stop the attack while loudly verbalizing for the attacker to leave you alone (bystanders believe what they hear as they often don't really understand what they may be seeing and may assume that you are the attacker) and then escape.
5) Never use more force than absolutely necessary.
6) Never attack someone that is no longer a threat.

[Psychochink]

ruaidhri - No, I don't study Doce Pares (although I plan to down the track, once I'm happy that I've 'mastered' my current art), I study Krav Maga. While we do incorporate some aspects of Escrima into our training, it is primarily a unarmed technique (as the assumption is that we won't be armed in the street).

One thing I especially like is that Krav also teaches verbal self defence (i.e. the best techniques to avoid/deescalate a situation) and ways to avoid getting into a fight in the first place. I highly recommend it, but for those in the U.S. please note that the majority of American Krav Maga instructors have split off from the international accrediting body (without going into details, one of the current head's former students is trying to monopolise/copyright it in the U.S.) so training there may not be up to scratch.

And all of ruaidhri's advice above is sound, follow it.

[shinobi_kokujin]

So that is what Shotokan karate is like?Damn,and I always wondered why Makoto was so damn tough.Good players can ace you out in like,a millisecond.

What styles would Yun and Yang be associated with?


Ken, Ryu, & Akuma's style is looselt modeled from Kyokushin Kai Full contact Karate but as Dresh stated earlier the US translated the

Ansatsuken to Shotokan. Ryu is loosely Based on the Founder of Kyokushinkai, Mas Oyama a Korean born Japanese resident who fought Bulls an Bears an traveled around the world challenging fighters of different styles


Yun does praying Mantis . I dunno exactly what style of kung fu Yang does

[shinobi_kokujin]

Every good/experienced martial artist will give this exact same advice.

My current instructor has high level (4th - 5th degree black belts) in Wing Chun, Doce Pares, Pangamot (Filipino Jiu Jitsu), Hocks SFC and is the Australia-Oceania Director for Krav Maga, as well as being qualified in Machado Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He has also helped train Australian SAS troops.

The very first thing that he teaches in weapon self defence is the ancient and mystical 'hand over the wallet' technique.

As I train in Krav Maga, we do a fair amount of weapon defence and the emphasis is always on 'only try this if the good old 'strategic retreat' (run away!) is not an option, and if you do, neutralise the threat and then get the hell out of there.'

As a side note, Karate is fine if you want to take up a sport, but if your objective is self defence, do something else.


there is Sport side of Karate and there is the Art of Karate which is Self Defense if the objective is to do self defense then one should check

out a style of Karate that does so cause theres many styles.

[ParryDat]

Ken, Ryu, & Akuma's style is looselt modeled from Kyokushin Kai Full contact Karate but as Dresh stated earlier the US translated the

Ansatsuken to Shotokan. Ryu is loosely Based on the Founder of Kyokushinkai, Mas Oyama a Korean born Japanese resident who fought Bulls an Bears an traveled around the world challenging fighters of different styles


Yun does praying Mantis . I dunno exactly what style of kung fu Yang does

Thanks