To ensure we American never offends noone...

[eyez0nme]

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone—particularly fanatics intent on killing us—airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year-old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal-of-Honor-winning former Governors.

Let's pause a moment and take the following test on whether or not we should engage in profiling:


1.) In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped & massacred by:

(a) Olga Corbutt

(b) Sitting Bull

(c) Arnold Schwartzeneger

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40



2.) In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:

(a) Lost Norwegians

(b) Elvis

(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40



3.) During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

(a) John Dillinger

(b) The King of Sweden

(c) The Boy Scouts

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40



4.) In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

(a) A pizza delivery boy

(b) Pee Wee Herman

(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



5.) In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:

(a) The Smurfs

(b) Davy Jones

(c) The Little Mermaid

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



6.) In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, & a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:

(a) Captain Kid

(b) Charles Lindberg

(c) Mother Teresa

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



7.) In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

(a) Scooby Doo

(b) The Tooth Fairy

(c) Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid who had a few sticks of dynamite

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



8.) In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

(a) Richard Simmons

(b) Grandma Moses

(c) Michael Jordan

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



9.) In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

(a) Mr. Rogers

(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems

(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40



10.) On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked & destroyed & thousands of people were killed by:

(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd

(b) The Supreme Court of Florida

(c) Mr. Bean

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



11.) In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

(a) Enron

(b) The Lutheran Church

(c) The NFL

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.



12.) In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

(a) Bonny and Clyde

(b) Captain Kangaroo

(c) Billy Graham

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 & 40.





Hmmm ..... Nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling.

[Ev0]

But then again wasn't there that white male American who went over to Afghanistan and fought with the Taliban...

And besides, if the Americans didn't profile everybody regardless of race, the extremists would simply find a bunch of non-arabic people to carry out their attacks. Some people will do anything if you pay them enough money.

[Jay]

I was listening to the news and they said that people with suspicious sounding names were turned away from flights BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUSPICIOUS NAMES. According to the report, 11 month old kids weren't allowed on the flight because they had a dodgy name.

What the feck?

Well, looks like Osama Bin Jones will never make it to wherever he needs to go then. :rolleyes:

[Shamu]

I see your point, but how can you forget the Oklahoma City Fed building?
That was not bombed by a Muslim extremist.
I'm just saying, not everything is done by them.

[p1c4z0]

A, to all of them.

[setrict]

When you start profiling as an exclusive security measure, you create security holes. If anything those that meet certain profiles should be treated with greater scrutinty. I'm all for profiling.

I'm not against muslims or people of arab decent, but if that demographic represents the most terrorists then they should be subject to greater scrutiny. Not only does in increase security, but it annoys the vast majority of muslims who are NOT terrorists. If any group has the ability to make the Muslim extremists listen, and stop it will be other people of the same faith. Maybe they'll get annoyed enough to do something about it, they may be the only people that can since this is a conflict of ideals.

[hapacheese]

When you start profiling as an exclusive security measure, you create security holes. If anything those that meet certain profiles should be treated with greater scrutinty. I'm all for profiling.

I'm not against muslims or people of arab decent, but if that demographic represents the most terrorists then they should be subject to greater scrutiny. Not only does in increase security, but it annoys the vast majority of muslims who are NOT terrorists. If any group has the ability to make the Muslim extremists listen, and stop it will be other people of the same faith. Maybe they'll get annoyed enough to do something about it, they may be the only people that can since this is a conflict of ideals.

Let's say, then... Should blacks be subject to higher police scrutiny because according to the numbers, there are a higher number of black people in jail and therefore are potentially criminals?

The moment you place more attention on one specific group of people, you open yourself to attacks from others. Airline security simply needs to be strict all around. I don't care if you're an American goddamn hero, you're not bringing that knife onto the plane. End of story.

[Snake eyeS]

I'm not against muslims or people of arab decent, but if that demographic represents the most terrorists then they should be subject to greater scrutiny. Not only does in increase security, but it annoys the vast majority of muslims who are NOT terrorists. If any group has the ability to make the Muslim extremists listen, and stop it will be other people of the same faith. Maybe they'll get annoyed enough to do something about it, they may be the only people that can since this is a conflict of ideals.

Or they will turn around and join the terrorist because they get fed up bieng treated like outlanders.
my point: its not wise to piss kids off, specially when they are around 17-20 year old, they will reteliate and muslim kids just happen to join the group that can help them get back at whoever they are pissed at the most. so its not wise to treat people like shit and hope that they will fend for themselfs, as you might of noticed..
the nergos sure didnt like bieng treated like dirt, you think they sat around the fire and talked about how they could please the GREAT WHITE MEN so that they woudnt be supressed no more? if you seperate people by treating them differently you wil create 2 camps, and thats not a good thing.. we should as you might agree.. move towards unity.

The OP must of been joking about muslims bieng the bad boys, i bet some random historian can name 100 things that wite chirstians did.. and those 100 things will be alot worse then what muslims did to us poor little whites.
Does anyone know what the monastary did to us? they sucked us dry, we all starved to death.. because some hypocrites tought it would be fun to change the original ruleset by benidictus(the first monk right?)

every belief should be banned, the comfort belief brings us no longer outweighs the danger it brings with it.

[kiev33]

The OP must of been joking about muslims bieng the bad boys, i bet some random historian can name 100 things that wite chirstians did.. and those 100 things will be alot worse then what muslims did to us poor little whites.

Oh, I bet all 100 of thos ethings could come from the Crusades too. And if you want one thing that Europeans did to piss of the Muslims, the Crusades would have to rank higher than most. Unfortunately, once a grudge is created in this world, it is a very, very long time in going away.

Groups of Christian knights were randomly slaughtering entire towns just because they worshipped Allah instead of God. Thre were several incidents of cannibalism among the Europeans towards Muslims (they weren't really humans, right?) and reports that said mosques were used to as slaughterhouses where the floors ran red with blood up to your ankles.

Pretty gruesome stuff. Stuff the Europeans had been practising on themselves throughout the Middle Ages, but had really honed to an "art form" during the Crusades.

kevin

[RDClip]

There's a lot of terrorists that aren't Arabs. It just so happens that the arab ones are the only ones currently pissed at the Americans.(but there are also a lot of pissed of white American terrorists) Ever heard of Carlos the Jackal?

If the security starts just paying attention to arabs, the shit will really hit the fan. Normal Arab American citizens will be pissed because every one of them are being cavity searched or what ever and no other races are. Little thing called racism will come up, some politicians will get all preachy, and it will end with a huge problem.

[Citizen]

You forgot to add David Bowie as an option to every question. He dun do'ed it.

Everyone should be searched and profiled at airports. I say this because I never fly. :D

[Jormungand]

this is old i read this back when 911 happend but i agree aside from some wacked out skinheads muslims r the only ones blowing things up they should be profiled i wouldent feel any fucken pity for them other minoritys have been profiled for years my next door neighbor died in 911 he had 2 young kids and a wife but muslim americans refuse to fucken condem the attacks most blame america and defend the actions of the terrorists i got no fucken pity for muslims if they blow shit up they wouldent be profiled

[stillbornsinger]

Jormungand- thats a pretty big blanket statement your throwing out there... I know none of my muslem friends during that time or the majority of the muslems I've met since then have felt that way. Or if they did they sure as hell hid it pretty well (and probably for the better or someone would end up in the hospital)

While I do agree that some amount of profiling is necissary, and perhaps should be considered common sense, as long as the people who are doing the profiling understand the difference between profiling and discrimination its alright by me.

There have been many terrorist attacks commited by other ethnicities and religious groups though. Most haven't hit american soil lukily but what about the group the used a chemical agent in the Tokyo Subway? Or mortar attacked a US base in Japan. How about the Tamil tigers? What about Timmothy McVeigh?

There are so many people from so many different countries and cultures that really don't like Americans or the American Government. It only takes one nutjob to kill hundreds.

As for the dark history of Christianity... I suggest you all probe a bit further into it. There is really some interesting reading to be done on the subject, and it is in no way limited to the crusades. Christians have by far killed many times people than the Nazi's have. Inquisitions, conquests, even some more recent events come to mind.

By the way, which organization helped numbers of Nazi war criminals escape germany to South America

A. Muslim extremest
B. Communist
C. Japanese nationals
D. The Catholic Church

[eyez0nme]

Unfortuantly, there's a difference between a Christian and the corporate church.

Christians goal is not crusading, inquistion, nor conquest--they have not read the Bible--it is the corporate church that lead these blind fools into them, like how they're leading them into tounges, signs & wonder, all corruptable under God.

[Marblehead]

When you start profiling as an exclusive security measure, you create security holes. If anything those that meet certain profiles should be treated with greater scrutinty. I'm all for profiling.

I'm not against muslims or people of arab decent, but if that demographic represents the most terrorists then they should be subject to greater scrutiny. Not only does in increase security, but it annoys the vast majority of muslims who are NOT terrorists. If any group has the ability to make the Muslim extremists listen, and stop it will be other people of the same faith. Maybe they'll get annoyed enough to do something about it, they may be the only people that can since this is a conflict of ideals.

I see yes. So do you think that it was a good idea that the U.S. put its own citizens into concentration camps (Roosevelt's words, not mine) during World War 2?

[Mogymog]

Well, then we shoudn't do racial profiling, how about age profiling. People between 15-50 should be searched randomly. I've never heard of an 80 year old terrorist bomber that ran around an airport with a bomb stuck to them trying to blow up planes. Nor have I ever heard of a 1 yeard old with the same thing..

honestly, what does the baby have a, a diaper stuff full of high explosives? It's just, ridiculas. If it's an ovbious age-group thats the problem, then woudn't ya think someone with a tiny fraction of an IQ in the US goverment, would think they should be searching them. Now 80 year old governers? It's just crazy.

Yeah, I'm american, and even I think it's stupid. Course, lots of things this country has done lately is stupid.. This, being one of them.

[dillon]

there were plenty of terrorist attacks that doesn't involve muslim extremists. whoever wrote this just picked out the ones that do in order to justify racial profiling.

[setrict]

I see yes. So do you think that it was a good idea that the U.S. put its own citizens into concentration camps (Roosevelt's words, not mine) during World War 2?
No, but being subject to reasonable scrutiny at an airport s a far cry from a concentration camp. That's one bad ass logic leap.

Or they will turn around and join the terrorist because they get fed up bieng treated like outlanders.
That's a good point, though I have to say anyone who decides to become a terrorist and kill innocent people due to an airport search is pretty unlikely.
the nergos sure didnt like bieng treated like dirt, you think they sat around the fire and talked about how they could please the GREAT WHITE MEN so that they woudnt be supressed no more? if you seperate people by treating them differently you wil create 2 camps, and thats not a good thing.. we should as you might agree.. move towards unity.

Agree 100%. No one should be treated like dirt. No one should be unreasonably supressed. Should certain high risk classified groups get increased security consideration? For the short term, yes. I hope soon we have better and more accurate methods of weapons detection in place so we won't have to caused any more distress to people than absolutely necessary. I also hope the terrorists decide to further their cause without the violence, senseless bombings, and hate.

Let's say, then... Should blacks be subject to higher police scrutiny because according to the numbers, there are a higher number of black people in jail and therefore are potentially criminals?
Damn you for making me rethink my position! :p I think that is a terrible idea. I think my original idea is a terrible idea from an ethical standpoint. While we (right or wrong) are engaged in military activity, and subject to increased terrorist threat the practical consideration of safeguarding lives becomes slightly more important. There have to be limits, and maybe profiling oversteps those. I honestly don't know. If the situation were reversed, and I was flying into country X and matched their 'profile' I would gladly comply if it meant the possiblity of saving lives and incurred no harm to me.

[Roxie]

I see your point, but how can you forget the Oklahoma City Fed building?
That was not bombed by a Muslim extremist.
I'm just saying, not everything is done by them.
Yeah. I don't recall any movement to racially profile young white men. Not even after the Cenntial Olympic Park bombing, etc...