Gaijin Smash: Lord of the E-mail (Apr 27/07)

[Chrome Newfie]

Article link: Lord of the E-mail (http://www.gaijinsmash.net/archives/lord_of_the_email.phtml)

Woo-hoo! Editorial bonanza!


It was a lot like finding a fire-truck shaped present under the Christmas tree, only to unwrap it and discover a Playboy Bunny.

However, it would all go snowballing out of control from there. {emphasis mine - CN}

Is it just me and my Clerks-influenced humour, or is that spontaneous double entendre tickling the collective funny bone? :rofl:

[Decade]

:rofl: Reading these again has renewed my love of his older work, especially "hol'on boy!"

Az, do you feel as though writing about all that hatemail has reduced the amount you've received since then (considering its been a decent while since the last hatemail editorial), or do you think the attention you gave it has caused you to receive more?

[ミュー]

"I mean video game Magneto, who is a Jewish ninja mutant on crack."
So he'll sneak up on you, freak you out, and Jew you out of a $15 sack!?

[Eddie Echoplex]

"I mean video game Magneto, who is a Jewish ninja mutant on crack."
So he'll sneak up on you, freak you out, and Jew you out of a $15 sack!?

what he hell does jew-out mean!?

[SlickWilly440]

what he hell does jew-out mean!?

It mean's that a customer will haggle with you or try to get you to lower the price of the product. Goes with the whole stereotype that Jews are cheap.

[ParryDat]

Marvel vs Capcom 2 Magneto(For anybody that was wondering):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKsL-gxwE7Y

Cool that you gave feedback to us(The greater community).

[ミュー]

It mean's that a customer will haggle with you or try to get you to lower the price of the product. Goes with the whole stereotype that Jews are cheap.

lol, I heard it on one of those anti-defamation commercials a few years ago and fell down laughing... it just sort of stuck. You know you're a southerner when: you see anti-racism commercials, laugh, and learn new epithets from it

[Decade]

Except what you say reeks of antisemitism and you haven't really learned anything but how to be more ignorant.

[darighaz]

Or when you hold no hate towards anyone really and can see humor in just about anything, such and any rasist joke is funny, because it plays off a stereotype, not because it has any relevence towards people..

that too..

[Decade]

Thats great you can find any racist joke funny.

That definitely shows you have no hate for anyone.

[Scott]

It's the same as 'gypped', honestly. The difference is that most people don't realized that 'gyp' is a reference to gypsies... which is probably why everyone spells it 'jipped'.

[ミュー]

Thats great you can find any racist joke funny.

That definitely shows you have no hate for anyone.
Meh, if I find it funny then that's my moral downfall. I have no problem with Jewish people, although some of them are invariably cheap bastards.

I think that as ugly as it might be, racism is a way of life. There will be old Japanese men who never stop thinking that I'm an evil bastard, and Nigerians etc. in Roppongi that creep me out even though they might be nice people...

Is it racism when you grew up in a neighborhood where you can't go to the car wash without being harassed by a couple of crackheads? Something about people getting in my face and trying to get my money does not make me think highly of them.

[Decade]

Meh, if I find it funny then that's my moral downfall. I have no problem with Jewish people, although some of them are invariably cheap bastards.
If you know a few, fine. But by now, after numerous editorials by Az himself on the subject of stereotypes and racism that It's more than apparent you've read (what this very last editorial had covered 5 times over), you should know better than to categorize the entire race for what a few Jews (and non-jews) do.

I think that as ugly as it might be, racism is a way of life. There will be old Japanese men who never stop thinking that I'm an evil bastard, and Nigerians etc. in Roppongi that creep me out even though they might be nice people...
Well, that's your problem. Don't make it someone elses. Even if there's racism still rampant in the world, you don't go out there and help spread it, it doesn't make it anymore ok if you hear someone else do it.

Otherwise, Az wouldn't have felt so pissed off on such subjects as the "Bobby" era or being totally stunned and speechless at being labeled off as a gaijin black rapist with guns. And that's just a few of his examples.

Is it racism when you grew up in a neighborhood where you can't go to the car wash without being harassed by a couple of crackheads?
Something about people getting in my face and trying to get my money does not make me think highly of them.
:confused: Wtf? Wait, what? How does this relate to the rest of your argument? How does this relate to any points you made?

[Jetsetlemming]

Everyone knows about those Jewish crackheads always trying to wash your car, Decade. Stop trying to cover it up OMG jewish conspiracy. :sarcasm:

[Decade]

But if I stop, he'll find out about our plans of making carwashes go out of business!

[Jetsetlemming]

Dear Lord, who will break everyone's car antennae's!? :O

[stsparky]

ミュー – I don't think glorifying in being an obtuse person allows one to dish out fighting words. In a real world setting, I'd allow you to apologise before introducing you to back alley dentistry. I'm Jewish; My great uncle Arthur (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arthur_Hertzberg&redirect=no) walked with Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King%2C_Jr.), in the 1963 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963) March on Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington) and Bloody Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281965%29) at the height of the American civil rights movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_rights_movement). No one in my family is a cheap bastard. I'm pretty tolerant but calling Magneto (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magneto_%28comics%29&redirect=no) a cheap Jew is simply asking for a fight.

Any real comicbook fan knows Magneto to be a sympathetic troubled villain who was able to rise to the challenge and be a hero. So stop. And Scott, no one here is putting any hate on the Rom either.

[Jetsetlemming]

ミュー – I don't think glorifying in being an obtuse person allows one to dish out fighting words. In a real world setting, I'd allow you to apologise before introducing you to back alley dentistry. I'm Jewish; My great uncle Arthur (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arthur_Hertzberg&redirect=no) walked with Martin Luther King, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King%2C_Jr.), in the 1963 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963) March on Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington) and Bloody Sunday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281965%29) at the height of the American civil rights movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_rights_movement). No one in my family is a cheap bastard. I'm pretty tolerant but calling Magneto (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magneto_%28comics%29&redirect=no) a cheap Jew is simply asking for a fight.

Any real comicbook fan knows Magneto to be a sympathetic troubled villain who was able to rise to the challenge and be a hero. So stop. And Scott, no one here is putting any hate on the Rom either.
Huh. Never knew Magneto actually was Jewish. Turns out from that wiki article not ONLY is he Jewish, he's a holocaust survivor, which I guess is to give him ample reason to fear anti-mutant persecution.
I guess I'm just thick skinned compared to you and Decade. :( It's hard to offend me. It takes a black panther speech or a Westboro Baptist protest to get me riled up.

[Chrome Newfie]

Besides, everyone knows the ones to really watch out for are the Amish.

Documented proof (http://web.archive.org/web/20030729114252/inet.ca/strangertimes/1/amish.html) ;)

[Decade]

Sorry Jet, after 7 months of Arrogant Fucker and dealing with people who've called me a "cheap Jew," "dirty jew," and a "fucking jew" to my face at a job I'm desperately trying to leave, it's like trying to add another gallon in an already full water jug to me.

I try to be less sensitive, but the year kinda made me this way


And yes, Magneto is a Jewish holocaust survivor, they even made this a point to throw out in the X-men movie.

[羽之助]

I guess most people think it's all right to use slurs as long as they have no connection to the group it's being used against.

Sparky, Decade; I will admit to you that I feel nothing especially demeaning by calling either of you a "cheap Jew", because I know no Jews - indeed, I have only met one, when I was 8. He was nice.

Calling the people I live among "Japs" is slightly unnerving because I have lots of friends here. But hey, they're just Japs. No need to get upset about it.

Call my girl a Chink and I will gleefully separate your head from your body, though.

[Decade]

I'm racially sensitive to anyone and everyone on this board, is it so much to ask to request the same done for me, especially when it's in the rules that

Racial slurs are not allowed, unless it is CLEAR that it's being done in a friendly and lighthearted manner. For example, talking about a 12-year old Japanese girl randomly shouting out "Hey Nigga!" Be warned that this could be a sensitive topic, so err on the side of caution. remain respectful to the community


Bob got banned for saying when Az commented on the idea of New York without any black people

sounds like a pretty nice place.

Everyone stopped and saw it for being as offensive as it was. Why is it different for me being Jewish and hearing someone insulting my race?

[RandomPasserby]

If Jewish is a race, why there is there the word "antisemitism"? Also I would like to hear how Lenny Kravitz, Paula Abdul and Decade are of the same race.

It is still just a religion.

[Jetsetlemming]

It's both a race and a religon. Learn moar, noob. You don't need to be of Jewish heritage to be Jewish (see: Madonna), and you don't need to be Jewish if you're of jewish Heritage (See: Me), but it is indeed a heritage and racial group as well as a religon.

[xinster]

It's the same as 'gypped', honestly. The difference is that most people don't realized that 'gyp' is a reference to gypsies... which is probably why everyone spells it 'jipped'.

bro i never fuckin knew that. that's one of the illest things i ever heard today.




BTW for those of you who are not as video-game savvy as us geeks (parrydat and azrael :D), Video Game Magneto is indeed a Jewish ninja mutant on crack, and has been so for over a decade. Fucking pixie asshole, thinks its cool to chip a fucking 1/8th of a bar with ur magnetic tempest from XvsSF and then go and be top tier in MVC2.

[RandomPasserby]

Okay, jews are a race, just like the Japanese are :P Classify it as you wish but you still end up with Paula Abdul being a part of the race and with Kravitz being just as racy jew.
You have said you have native american blood in you, you can't deny Kravitz's single parent granting ethnic jew status as that would take away your ancestor's and thus yours too.
Btw. MOAR is Massachusetts Organization for Addition Recovery and their mission is "To organize recovering individuals, families and friends into a collective voice to educate the public about the value of recovery from alcohol and other addictions."

[Jetsetlemming]

You have said you have native american blood in you, you can't deny Kravitz's single parent granting ethnic jew status as that would take away your ancestor's and thus yours too.
http://www.kurtsimmons.com/images/bunny-pancake.gif

[RandomPasserby]

Now back to the topic:
Azrael, do you still receive/read wacky emails which yo would like to share with your fans (that means everyone in these forums except h2orowe as he thinks you are a sellout ;))?

[Decade]

If Jewish is a race, why there is there the word "antisemitism"? Also I would like to hear how Lenny Kravitz, Paula Abdul and Decade are of the same race.

It is still just a religion.
Honestly, this argument has nothing to stand on.

The word antisemitism exists because there are people racist and prejudice against Jews.

Paula Abdul is Jewish, Lenny Kravitz is half Jewish, and I'm Jewish. You're looking at either someone whose converted or has only one parent whose Jewish, whether or not they identify with the race is their choice and opinion. Besides, it's not as if we get together every Christmas for Chinese food and talk about our favorite episodes of Seinfeld :bored:

Would you also like to hear about how Tiger Woods, Michael Jackson, and Roxie are all the same race? Do you have trouble understanding that if black is a race, why the "N-Word" is around as well?

[RandomPasserby]

Firstly, Decade, I'm convinced that there is more scientific facts against races than there is for.
Also how come it doesn't anything to stand on? If Jews are a race, there is no need for a special word for discrimination against jews, especially as semites include arabs and other groups too. The word "racism" would be enough.
Also you and the two others probably lack almost everything required from a "race" looks wise and I'm sure genetically there isn't much linking you three together.
And well, even if I thought true "races" existed, I wouldn't count Tiger Woods (a quarter African-American/Chinese/Thai, one eighth Dutch/Native American according to Wikipedia) as African-American any more than Native American or Caucasian. But if you want to argue about it, pm me or a start another thread, I realized that this thread gets highjacked if we continue here.

[Decade]

Also how come it doesn't anything to stand on? If Jews are a race, there is no need for a special word for discrimination against jews, especially as semites include arabs and other groups too. The word "racism" would be enough.

1) A Muslim can use the word "antisemitism" if they want then as, as you yourself have said, they can be classified as a Semite as well. Just because you hear it a lot from Jews does not mean they're the only semitic group that should be able to use it, I will agree with you on that. You can't blame jews for being the only ones to use it if other semitic groups wont, though.
2) If racism is enough, then why don't you believe it's racism? :watson:
3) Also you and the two others probably lack almost everything required from a "race" looks wise and I'm sure genetically there isn't much linking you three together.
Cause you know, race is based only on looks. Sorry Michael Jackson, you're not considered black anymore since you bleached your skin, you got the boot. That's just the way the world works according to randompasserby :boggled:

4) And well, even if I thought true "races" existed, I wouldn't count Tiger Woods (a quarter African-American/Chinese/Thai, one eighth Dutch/Native American according to Wikipedia) as African-American any more than Native American or Caucasian.
That's fine you can see him for sharing a rich heritage and that he could, in fact, belong to multiple races.

Would you make a derogatory comment about any of them in front of him though?

Being half of anything doesn't mean you cant identify with it. Yes, Judaism is a religion as well, but it is a group of people.

Besides, it's not as if Jewish people have argued that they were a different race in the beginning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism#Racial_antisemitism (see Racial Antisemitism)

This movie was based mostly addressing that in the States back in the mid 20th century:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman%27s_Agreement

[Druid]

Besides, it's not as if we get together every Christmas for Chinese food and talk about our favorite episodes of Seinfeld :bored:

Maybe YOU don't.

[Decade]

Ok FINE, I wasn't invited. There, now EVERYBODY knows. :box:

[RandomPasserby]

Decade, how nice of you to quote the whole sentence and reply like I didn't write the last half of it.
Take this to a new thread or pm me when you feel like doing truly discussing this (and I will reply to points 1,2 and 4). Like I suggested before (after realizing the foolishness of bring up something that pushes JSL's or your buttons).

[Decade]

I'll tell you what, I'm willing to be very big on this. I will simply step back from the thread and subject for the night and try to think over the statement made originally and try to look at it with a totally calm attitude.

I do feel though, that Sparky and my feelings on the matter can be very easy to understand.

[Jetsetlemming]

It doesn't push my button, it's just incorrect. :O
Also how come it doesn't anything to stand on? If Jews are a race, there is no need for a special word for discrimination against jews, especially as semites include arabs and other groups too. The word "racism" would be enough.
Because Judiasm is more than just a race.
Noob.

[xinster]

Now back to the topic:
Azrael, do you still receive/read wacky emails which yo would like to share with your fans (that means everyone in these forums except h2orowe as he thinks you are a sellout ;))?

lol y does he think az is a sellout?

[Chrome Newfie]

All the arguing about terminology really doesn't touch on the act, just the descriptors of the act. People use "racist", "sexist", and all sorts of "-ist" words outside of their strictest definition, when what they really mean is "bigoted" or "predjudiced" with an attempt to specify in what manner.

So, there's the strict definition, the "common usage", and the intent. Argue about intent and I suspect many of you are on the same page, more or less. To quote the old buddhist proverb, don't mistake the moon for the finger pointing to it. ;)

[RandomPasserby]

It doesn't push my button, it's just incorrect. :O

Because Judiasm is more than just a race.
Noob.
But you haven't been able to prove that they are a biological race in any form (beyond "me and my friends say we are a race so we are"). Do list genetic proof that jews are a race for example. Before you can do that, it is just a religion and a national/ethnic identity.

[Hatsumomo]

Wasn't there a point in the X-Men comic books where an incident of anti-mutantism cause Magento to say, "Oh, God, not again!" referring to the persecution of Holocaust victims?

[xanth]

Okay, but you're missing the point.

Race or not, that doesn't mean that it's any more okay to discriminate against anyone based on their "religion and a national/ethnic identity".

But you haven't been able to prove that they are a biological race in any form (beyond "me and my friends say we are a race so we are"). Do list genetic proof that jews are a race for example. Before you can do that, it is just a religion and a national/ethnic identity.

[Scott]

Anti-semitism is hatred of semites. Not all Jews are semites, but a large number used to be, and anti-semitism was changed in meaning. There are also Jewish ethnicities, largely due to them being ostracized from society and marrying only within Jewish societies... I suppose the most well known of those is the Ashkenazim group.

[RandomPasserby]

Okay, but you're missing the point.

Race or not, that doesn't mean that it's any more okay to discriminate against anyone based on their "religion and a national/ethnic identity".
Umm.. I think you are thinking of the wrong point actually. Just point out where did I get into the whole "more okay/less okay" field? kthnx, I knew you couldn't find it.

[Matt W]

I have to say, I'm Jewish, and Judaism is a religion, not a race. I've never really heard people claim it is a race before.

[MeneerDijk]

Ok people, let's keep it on topic from now on

[Scott]

And Scott, no one here is putting any hate on the Rom either.

What? It sounds like you think I'm offended/defensive about something... and I'm totally not. I have no idea what "Rom" is, either...

[Chrome Newfie]

I have no idea what "Rom" is, either...

Romani people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people)

Technically, stsparky is being a bit ungrammatical, as "Rom" is singular. It's preferred as the term "Gypsies" is considered somewhat derogatory in modern usage, and perhaps unspecific (given that the term has been applied to the Krygystanian Lyuli, the Irish Pavee, the asian "sea gypsies", the Germanic Yenishe, and other groups not culturally related to the Roma).

[stsparky]

Romani people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people): Technically, stsparky is being a bit ungrammatical, as "Rom" is singular. It's preferred as the term "Gypsies" is considered somewhat derogatory in modern usage, and perhaps unspecific (given that the term has been applied to the Krygystanian Lyuli, the Irish Pavee, the asian "sea gypsies", the Germanic Yenishe, and other groups not culturally related to the Roma).
I've read 32 Cadillacs (http://www.amazon.com/32-Cadillacs-Dka-File-Novel/dp/0446403601/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3839586-1016714?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177910884&sr=8-1) and most my data comes from it. Though I tried to help a Rom set up a website for his peoples some years back ...

We figured that of the 13 million that went to the Death Camps - 3 1/2 were what Hitler's goons call gypsies ...