No kids, and don't want yours

[PopCulturePooka]

CHILDLESS couples are the fastest-growing family type and will outnumber families with children within just three years.

This is according to the latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

My partner and I are among the recalcitrants who will not be adding to the generation needed to wipe our chins as we sit in the nursing home lounge.

To those couples who choose to have kids, it was your choice. And I would add that because we don't have kids, it doesn't mean we want yours.

So here's the deal. I am delighted to attend children's concerts and encourage everyone at sports days where first, second and third placegetters are no longer celebrated.

Although I do wonder how these kids will develop that hunger for competition to drive them to achieve in life.

I am happy to receive slobbery kisses and even change nappies and drop off meals to help feed your family and listen to the things that are giving you the irrits.

I'm here to read report cards and bedtime stories and fit visits around sleep times, quiet times and time outs.

But what I don't want to do is the following:

When you say you want to catch up as a friend, that doesn't mean arriving at the coffee place with a kid home from school with a screeching cough and a runny nose.

Just cancel me and keep your kid in bed. I don't fancy the flu with my florentine.

As much as potty training is worthy of a 15-gun salute to announce such a life enhancing occasion for both of you, I don't want to know how many times they've been that day. If you do that I promise not to tell you about the backlog at the office copier.

When you generously invite us around for dinner, please don't leave us sitting at the table on our own.

While there is nothing I enjoy more than eating dinner with my partner, I would rather do it at my home in my pjs.

I don't want to hear you whingeing about how difficult it is to entertain and bath the kids at the same time.

My tip, if you are married with children, is to focus on one thing, either bathing your kid or having us to dinner.

Just don't do these things at the same time.

And when kidzilla is screaming her head off as we try to chat on the phone, don't say:

"Oh, she's never normally like this."

I don't believe you. Why?

Because it happens every time you call me.

And thanks but no thanks to see your kid in the bath.

I've seen plenty of kids with their hair soaped up and moulded into the shape of Mr Curly.

I hear you when you say you're a hostage in your house. Just don't keep banging on about it.

Paid work is like that too. Bosses can be demanding, unfair, messy and moody too.

They can leave a trail of destruction and often need picking up after.

How come I'm the friend who babysits your kids for free?

And when you say you have so much washing to do, I understand. Washing is boring and time consuming.

I do it too, and I also clean, iron and go to the supermarket.

As you often say, it's all about setting boundaries and these are mine. Let the revised friendships begin
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21617799-5007146,00.html

Wholeheartedly agree

A valuable lesson for us all.

[SlickWilly440]

Wow I never noticed the Australian sentence structure for English was a bit different from the American one.

[Soli]

This just sounds like normal complaints. You could say that kind of stuff about anything that annoys you. :blank: There are bad things about kids, but they's bad things about everything, yes? Nothing perfect.

I don't know, it feels like you're using this as backup or proof to your thoughts on kids being annoying. >_>

[PopCulturePooka]

I don't know, it feels like you're using this as backup or proof to your thoughts on kids being annoying. >_>
No... shit... you think?

[Soli]

Well sorrrryy, didn't want to offend you if that wasn't the point you were making! :P

[Kusoyaro]

well, india and china is more than making up for all the people not havign kids, so either way it's pretty much still a losing battle

[Decade]

Sounds a little to harsh, but I gotta say I generally agree.

Oh I could dig and dig and bring back the "keep it pg-13" thread, but I'm positive thats gonna bring back a can of worms

[Kusoyaro]

hahaha my hatred for under-18's has not abated and most surely never will
i wonder what the percentage of under-18s there are on op9. prolly low?

i actualy dont mind hearing about kids and all the shit that goes with them, though. i've been told countless times that i'd be ideally suited for family-life which is sad cuz if i'm better suited to be a father than most other people, then the world is defs a fuckedup place.
man babies smell so good i wish i could devour their essence

[Mechs]

Article sounds kinda whiny to me.

[PopCulturePooka]

hahaha my hatred for under-18's has not abated and most surely never will
i wonder what the percentage of under-18s there are on op9. prolly low?

i actualy dont mind hearing about kids and all the shit that goes with them, though. i've been told countless times that i'd be ideally suited for family-life which is sad cuz if i'm better suited to be a father than most other people, then the world is defs a fuckedup place.
man babies smell so good i wish i could devour their essence
I struggle to find much relevance or coherence in this post.

[Soli]

I have to agree that kids can be bad sometimes. But not liking a kid just because he/she's a kid isn't right. That's like saying you don't like [insert race here] just because they are that race.


Kusoyaro: I'm under 18... :gloomy: What's wrong with me?!

[Kusoyaro]

i've found that if i keep my mouth shut and only speak when it is relevant, then i would very rarely ever speak (please no witty remarks). anyway, my posts are hardly ever coherent or on-topic, sadly. but i'll really try to be more on topic next time
also, after watching idiocracy, i've noticed it really does seem that way
edit: solitudity> nothing. i'm just an asshat who hates things for stupid reasons. for example, i dont like u as due to the fact that the cat in ur avatar is ridiculously cute and shouldnt be allowed to be displayed, beause now i want it and since i cant have it i am furious (but not really. but really). actually, it's just that many -18's i have come into contact with post my 18th b-day are unbelievably apathetic, which really does get me upset

[Knife-Fingered Sue Sanderson]

I don't mind if people don't want to kids - but I hate how they make it seem as though having kids is such a lowly, "expected" thing to do, and that people who choose not to have kids are in a way more sophisticated than those who do.

[blank slate]

From what I read, it seems as if the author doesn't mind children, they just mind having kids dumped on them by the parents.

[gentlemanandscholar]

I agree with most complaints, but I'm quite sure this is written out of pure spite and bitterness.
Especially with the deal with the photo of a kid in the bath. Is your life that pathetic that someone showing you a picture of their child bothers you so much? If you're so fine without having children why would you go on about something like this?

[CrazyAce86]

I don't mind kids, really, but I know full well that there's some ungrateful little bastards and some real demon spawn out there. My one cousin, whom I've dubbed "Demon Spawn" and "Damienette," probably takes the cake. The local firehall raised her, so at five-years-old she could cuss like a sailor, flip you off, and know *exactly* what she was saying, too. Her parents? Thought it was hilarious, until she became too much of a monster and dumped her on whoever turned their head away for a second before disappering to whatever bar they were crawling off to that night.

It probably doesn't help that I'm a bit awkward with kids. Not necessarily the kids themselvse, but their psycho parents who've gone beyond politically correct or are just plain psycho.

My aunt, for example. My bratty cousin came in the room while I watching House, and I told him he'd probably want to leave because there was bad stuff on TV. He said okay and left, promptly going to tell his mother. I walk out to the dining room to tell her the show was on, and she flew into me like a banshee, hollering and yelling and throwing a fit. Her own husband looked at her like she had gone mad. I told her what happened, and the little bastard had told her something else. So, of course, she believes him when she knows he's a lying bastard (she had commented on it earlier that day), instead of me. OF COURSE.

So I agree whole-heartedly with what that author said. All kids aren't bad, I'll admit it; unfortunately, however, 90% of the little monsters are. I don't mind it when they try to kill each other (my one cousin keeps trying to kill his little sister-- he has almost permanently blinded her with broken glass-- but his mother insists he's fine, even though he's acting just like her brother did. Guess who's in jail for murder?)

Kids? I don't particularly want them. I know I'd be a sucky mother. Plus I'd probably end up jail, since I do believe in spanking a child, especially if it's my child.

[Black fist]

Spanking doesn't equal jail unless you are depriving you child of the three basic needs and or leaving bruises.

[Jay]

But it CAN result in less contact with the child if the judge deems it severe enough.

[stsparky]

Kids rock. And most of you should be breeding. We need smarter people. Selfishness is a plan for failure.

[Duke Luke of Juke]

My dad once told me, when I was sitting in the car with him, going to go pick one of my brothers up from Jail, "Luke...don't have kids." It was pretty humorous, considering the situation. =P

I would just like to be a good uncle for a while. Maybe I'll be in the right place in my life, meet the right girl, etc. in the future. I dunno.

[Jay]

Kids rock. And most of you should be breeding. We need smarter people. Selfishness is a plan for failure.

Most of us should NOT be breeding. You said it yourself, there's too many dumb people in the world.

[stsparky]

Most of us should NOT be breeding. You said it yourself, there's too many dumb people in the world.
I don't think you're dumb. We're an elite. :watson:

[CrazyAce86]

*mentally thinks of what the kids of OP9 members would be like*

Oh... Gods...

Admittedly, a lot of them don't scare me, but some of them... *cringe*

[Jay]

I don't think you're dumb. We're an elite. :watson:

Well WE'RE not dumb... but we both encounter dumb people that shouldn't breed every day of our lives. ;)

[Hatsumomo]

I agree with that article, except that I wouldn't do diapers. Diapers is one of my big reasons for not breeding.

[PopescuDarius]

PopCulturepooka wrote "CHILDLESS couples are the fastest-growing family type and will outnumber families with children within just three years...."

I hate kids. I don't even like the ideea... i mean what the, you like to use your free time for someone that is not YOU. I bet your life is more important, and don't deserve to be wasted on a "kid"

In the end, don't waste too much time with ur kids... your life is more important.
O*W*N*E*D

[gentlemanandscholar]

PopCulturepooka wrote "CHILDLESS couples are the fastest-growing family type and will outnumber families with children within just three years...."

I hate kids. I don't even like the ideea... i mean what the, you like to use your free time for someone that is not YOU. I bet your life is more important, and don't deserve to be wasted on a "kid"

In the end, don't waste too much time with ur kids... your life is more important.
O*W*N*E*D

Please promise me you'll wear a condom forever, and have your parents use 30 forms of birth control as long as you hold this view. I would hate for you to be an accidental parent.

[Overkongen]

But them bad kids that people mentioned before, well, it seems like most people can already see that it's because of the parents. Honestly, some parents need to have their privates thrashed on a daily basis.

I'm studying to be a teacher, and here in Denmark, research shows that we have the world's noisiest children. Not the most unruly, though I must insist being noisy is also a rather apparent form of unruliness. Seems a lot of Danish parents don't really spend any time at all preparing their kids for going to school. I mean, is it that impossible to spend a few hours telling your kids that they should try to sit still and do as the teacher tells them? Kids won't be able to sit still, granted, but when asked, I don't think that "I don't want to sit down" is the correct response a teacher should recieve.

Still... It's never the kid's own fault. Most parents are older, and should be able to think things through, and hold a basic grasp of what might be good or bad to teach their own kid.

I saw that obesity is on the rise in Denmark as well. Apparently, parents have figured out that instead of deciding what their children are supposed to eat, the child gets to decide what it wants to eat. Obviously, this is great, seeing how most 8-year-olds are easily able to make informed choices related to healthy living. /sarcasm

Parents, get it the fuck together!

[Decade]

/agonizes over whether or not to bring up the idea for a totally pg-13 environment in bar sections of restaurants again



:innocent:

[PopescuDarius]

Overkongen you overreacting...

If you are becoming teacher, that means you know something.
Shame on you!
First who cares about other peoples, you must think only that you are the most important man.On this planet are milions of humans walking around, they are not important, you are important, and let's throw away this family spirit.
Humans are like pictures that moving around you, they are nothing compared to you, change your opinion about this world and i am sure you will find the right path.

Regards,

[Decade]

A chick friend of mine talked to me once about how she wanted to have kids, and I told her "I don't know if I want kids. Right now, of course, I'm leaning towards no."

Then she tells me: "You know, telling girls you don't know if you want to have kids or that you don't want to have kids is pretty unattractive."

I said "GOOD! That'll keep the fucking psycho bitches away!"

[PopescuDarius]

Hahhaha good one, decade.

[Mechs]

Overkongen you overreacting...

If you are becoming teacher, that means you know something.
Shame on you!
First who cares about other peoples, you must think only that you are the most important man.On this planet are milions of humans walking around, they are not important, you are important, and let's throw away this family spirit.
Humans are like pictures that moving around you, they are nothing compared to you, change your opinion about this world and i am sure you will find the right path.

Regards,

That's the most retarded thing I've read in a while, but whatever floats your boat.

[Stephy]

I love kids. I do really. So much. I love volunteering at the nursery schools and playing with them. They're great. I love hanging out with my baby cousins for hours and just having fun! Crying, whining, and diapers are no fun but neither are smelly adults! :D I love children. Shan's daughter was so much fun and I like having endless fun with her! However, I don't want any kids of my own. I'm not sure why, but I don't want any. Ever. I do plan to be a Pediatrician maybe (children doctor), but I don't want my own kids. I love them to death but not enough to have them. ;x

[Candyvan Stan]

I think kids are fantastic. Also, I'm pretty much 'forced' (in my own mind, not by others) to have them - otherwise our family name dies out when the current generation dies off. I'm the only male in the family who isn't either gay or too old to have kids.

[PopescuDarius]

What about our life??? why we must give our gold time on kids, this is girl job, and wait, i am a man, i will not have to take care of kids, yes!! man rules.

And about the age to have kids.. is like over 30 years.

[Candyvan Stan]

Ladies and gentlemen, I think Borat is visiting our forums.

[PopescuDarius]

Who you calling Borat soldier?

[Masa the Masta]

Very nice! How much?

[gentlemanandscholar]

Ladies and gentlemen, I think Borat is visiting our forums.

I swear he's a fake

[Lan]

It's going to get tiresome awful quickly if he isn't.

[Hatsumomo]

A chick friend of mine talked to me once about how she wanted to have kids, and I told her "I don't know if I want kids. Right now, of course, I'm leaning towards no."

Then she tells me: "You know, telling girls you don't know if you want to have kids or that you don't want to have kids is pretty unattractive."

I said "GOOD! That'll keep the fucking psycho bitches away!"

Less likely for you to get "oopsed" that way.

[Roxie]

Wow I never noticed the Australian sentence structure for English was a bit different from the American one.
My thoughts exactly. I had a little trouble wanting to read it.

I like kids, might have some. I compeltely understand the ideas behind the article, even if I can't understand the actual words.

[Decade]

Less likely for you to get "oopsed" that way.

Bysectomy, here I come! (that's how you spell it right? If I get it wrong, the doctor does baaaaddd things to me instead :eyepop: )

[CrazyAce86]

When it comes to kids, I think my problem is that I tend to treat them like I do everyone else. I don't treat them special because they're a kid, because they're so-and-so's kid, I treat them as I feel they should be treated.

For example, if they act like an ungrateful brat, they'll get treated like one. If they act nice, they'll get treated like a nice kid. It makes sense to me, but then parents act like the psychotics they are and become all, "My baby is so thpethal! Why don't you treat him like the little prince he is!"

[PopescuDarius]

Yea, you show'em crazyace....

[Soli]

But them bad kids that people mentioned before, well, it seems like most people can already see that it's because of the parents. Honestly, some parents need to have their privates thrashed on a daily basis.

I agree with this very much! It's how the kid was raised that depends on how they act. So if they kid acts bad, blame the parent not the kid.

When I was younger my mom took me around to a lot of places with her (along with my other brothers and sisters). She'd always threaten us, "If you don't behave, I'll send you to daycare!" So we learned to be good in public places.

But a lot of the parents around here have busy jobs and did end up leaving their kids are daycare all day. So what was natural to me (like opening doors for people behind me and such) isn't as natural to them.

I like kids. The little girls I babysit are so cute! Annoying sometimes, but I'm sure I was at that age too.

[Candyvan Stan]

You can't always blame the parents. A lot of times, yes. But definitely not always.

[Kusoyaro]

it al realy depends on the kind of parenting you recieved. people are the products of their experiences and the resultant though-patterns that they become accustomed to in relation to their past. If your parents are home a lot, then your core values are chiefly the result of your parents. However, if you weren't raised by your parents, then whoever or whatever (ie telly, books, music, whatever) you interact with regularly is what you will imprint on. That much is at least obvious. It becomes tricky when you introduce genetic factors, and some metaphysical(?) phenomenon (such as those exhibited by twins). If nature wins over nurture, then psychology is almost completely worthless. Also, since certain behavioural traits are adopted by children despite never having met their biological parents, then you really have to think about shit like morphogenetic fields and all that

[riona]

Bysectomy, here I come! (that's how you spell it right? If I get it wrong, the doctor does baaaaddd things to me instead :eyepop: )

Are you sure you don't mean 'vasectomy'?

[Decade]

:eyepop: Oh no, what did I dooooooo~?! :eek:

[PopescuDarius]

Woahh, some words i can't understand are u guy's super-smart? or high intelligence.?

[Decade]

I recommend you go and try them out first before you find out what they actually mean :D




(I'm not mean, I just choose to make mean jokes :innocent: )

[PopescuDarius]

Thanks, i appreciate your message.

[PopCulturePooka]

Thanks, i appreciate your message.
How old are you?

[PopescuDarius]

20 years
man
Country: Romania
Ocupation: Unknown
Status: student

[Candyvan Stan]

I told you Borat was visiting.

And yes, this is a forum for intellectually gifted people. Didn't you know?

[PopescuDarius]

No, i did'nt know, and i don't follow orders from you infidel!

[Saitou Hajime]

Nobody gave you an order. Please stop treating this like you're in-game in Counter Strike. Perhaps you should set yourself to Spectate or something, or the admin might kick you for TKing and beeing a noob.

Okay, I spoke in a language he should understand.

As for the article, the author does seem pretty bitter about it, and as someone said before, what's made them so petty as to take offense to being shown a picture of a kid?

[PopescuDarius]

So what advice you want? want something intelligence? Do you know that i can't search in google like others and copy and paste here, that is useless.

I am not really a noob,

[PopCulturePooka]

As for the article, the author does seem pretty bitter about it, and as someone said before, what's made them so petty as to take offense to being shown a picture of a kid?
I think you need to take this article from the point of view its written from.

Eg at your age you aren't likely to get exposed to these situations much.

By mid 20's I'm already starting to get it a great deal. I'd assume this woman is the same age and facing the same thing in her working and friendship circles.

I also am getting sick of seeing colleagues baby photos and stuff. Only so many pink shriveled up lumps you can see in one month.

[PopCulturePooka]

So what advice you want? want something intelligence? Do you know that i can't search in google like others and copy and paste here, that is useless.

I am not really a noob,
But you do suck.

You are spamming in this forum, which is not really accepted.

Want to spam? Go to room with padded walls.

[riona]

I don't want to see anyone's kids naked in the tub either, I don't care how cute their soapy hair is.
I don't like children, they drive me nuts. I'm not going to have any, and I can totally understand where the author is coming from.

and @ Kusoyaro: I'm under-18 (16, 17 in nine days :D). I do consider myself extremely more mature than others my age though, at most times. Two of friends are older than me and almost everyone we've ever met thinks that I'm much older than them :P

[Saitou Hajime]

You and the person might be extreme cases, though, since you fart on babies. XD Really though, it's just looking at a photo!

[PopescuDarius]

PopCulturePooka that's your opinion, i'm sure someone will be on my side to help me. : )

[PopCulturePooka]

PopCulturePooka that's your opinion, i'm sure someone will be on my side to help me. : )
Very, VERY doubtful here.

Do NOT spam in GD.


You and the person might be extreme cases, though, since you fart on babies. XD Really though, it's just looking at a photo!
And when you get it once or twice a week? And each time the person expects some kind of comment or fawning. When its the same damn types of pics all the time.

'Baby lying on back'
'Baby lying on stomach'
'Baby looking vacant'
'Baby in bath'

etc...

[PopescuDarius]

I let the admin to decide.

Good bye, and see ya next day, maybe yes, maybe i will leave you guys for overreacting against me.

[Knife-Fingered Sue Sanderson]

And when you get it once or twice a week? And each time the person expects some kind of comment or fawning. When its the same damn types of pics all the time.

'Baby lying on back'
'Baby lying on stomach'
'Baby looking vacant'
'Baby in bath'

etc...

I guess it could get annoying...but it's their kid. If somebody constantly showed me pictures of ANYTHING else (car, boy/girlfriend, pet, drunken bar shots with the same people in 20 different poses) then yeah, I'd get a little peeved. But it's their child.

[Kusoyaro]

yea, i assumed you were older than 16 also, from your sig (not many people, any age, read faust, sadly). but pray telll, are you apathetic?!

i don't understand how people get so annoyed over being shown baby pictures and being surrounded by people talking about children so much. where i work, most of the staff is either newly-wed or new grandparents, so i get shown baby pics quite often, and all i hear is baby gossip. it doesn't phase me at all. i mean, it's not like they're constantly talking about how much you suck. that would be annoying. but babies and kids? no, man.
but i guess i'm biased, since i've always been surrounded by people whose conversations seemed to trivial and pointless (hence the insane amounts of bullshit random crap that comes out of my mouth: my attempts at fitting in).
but really, there's no reason at all to get upset over something so ridiculously trivial. it's not something to get angry about

[PopCulturePooka]

I guess it could get annoying...but it's their kid. If somebody constantly showed me pictures of ANYTHING else (car, boy/girlfriend, pet, drunken bar shots with the same people in 20 different poses) then yeah, I'd get a little peeved. But it's their child.
I'm talking different people each time usually lol.

But I think the baby pic issues is a minute one compared to her other grievances.

Eg... the dinner parties one or the lunch/dinner with friends.

At the end of term staff break up party at school a big chunk of us teachers went to an indian joint for dinner. The invitiations and expectations were for food and... much drinking.

One of the teachers bought her partner, her 11 month old and her 4/5 year old. Night mare. The baby cried non stop. The kid was a brat who bitched about the food non stop. We had to watch our conversations and words because the kid kept repeating things or asking about words we'd say etc.

It put a dampner on what could have been a fun night pretty quickly.


And Darius, yes, please leave. We dont want you here.

[Knife-Fingered Sue Sanderson]

Eg... the dinner parties one or the lunch/dinner with friends.

At the end of term staff break up party at school a big chunk of us teachers went to an indian joint for dinner. The invitiations and expectations were for food and... much drinking.

One of the teachers bought her partner, her 11 month old and her 4/5 year old. Night mare. The baby cried non stop. The kid was a brat who bitched about the food non stop. We had to watch our conversations and words because the kid kept repeating things or asking about words we'd say etc.

It put a dampner on what could have been a fun night pretty quickly.

I'll admit it, that sucks when somebody brings their kids to an otherwise adult party. If the person did it all the time, I would probably stop inviting them. But if it was a "sorry, couldn't find a baby-sitter" type of thing that only happened once in awhile, you can't really be too upset.

[Overkongen]

To elaborate on the parent thing, I'd like to explain about behaviorism.

Basically, behaviorism is about rewarding good behavior, and punishing bad behavior. Behaviorism is what bad parents don't understand. My niece, she always starts yelling loudly when it's her bedtime. As a result, after 15 minutes of yelling (It's more yelling than crying, it's not because she's sad or scared), her mother let's her get up and sit with the adults, or watch TV, or basically, lets her do whatever it is she wants to do. Behavioristic result: The child learns that if your screaming is loud enough, you'll get what you want.

Another example. The little hellion quite appreciates hitting her mother, or pulling her hair. When her mother gets really tired of this, she'll say "Liva, stop that, mother doesn't think it's fun." without raising her voice. Here, there is practically no punishment, and as such, the child will not feel compelled to stop acting this way.

Thankfully, the little monster is getting old enough to understand that there are different rules with different adults. So now, she's started behaving better when she's around me. Basically, I'll gladly play with her, but if this starts involving her throwing things at me, hitting me, or what have you, I give her one warning, and after that, I leave. This normally resulted in her dropping to the ground, screaming that she was mad at me, to which I would reply "Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go talk to someone else now." I suppose it seems harsh, but there's no denying results, and she's started to treat me with more respect now, which is great, because it means that we can actually play together, which I do enjoy.

Behaviorism can't explain everything about raising a child, but I think it's always good to have the question "Is this behavior something I wish to encourage?" in the back of one's mind.

[Jay]

Fine, !!! Shame on you then.

I let the admin to decide.

Good bye, and see ya next day, maybe yes, maybe i will leave you guys for overreacting against me.

lol r u srs?

I suppose it seems harsh, but there's no denying results, and she's started to treat me with more respect now, which is great, because it means that we can actually play together, which I do enjoy.

Nope, it's not harsh at all. While I don't enjoy being, let's put it truthfully, a cunt to little kids, they do need clear and defined boundaries when they're growing up, so that they learn what is acceptable and what isn't. My parents were rather too lenient with me, and I ran off the rails. But having matured (to a degree...), I understand that boundaries are needed.

So it's not harsh.

[羽之助]

While I don't enjoy being, let's put it truthfully, a cunt to little kids, they do need clear and defined boundaries when they're growing up, so that they learn what is acceptable and what isn't.

Seconded. Otherwise, they'll do stuff like this.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/04/03/3907148-ap.html

NEW ORLEANS, La. (AP) - Five Grade 5 students were arrested in Louisiana on Tuesday after an investigation into allegations they had sex in an unsupervised classroom, with other classmates present.

"After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore," Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley said. "But this comes pretty close." The alleged incident took place March 27, at the Spearsville school in rural northern Louisiana.

Four students - two 11-year-old girls, a 12-year-old boy and a 13-year-old boy - were arrested on charges of obscenity, a felony. An 11-year-old boy who was the alleged lookout was charged with being an accessory after the fact, Buckley said.

The class was left unattended while the teacher attended a meeting, Buckley said.

"It's not clear how long they were left alone but speculation is that it was about 15 minutes," Buckley said.

"When no teacher showed up, the four began to have sex in the classroom with the other elementary students in the classroom with them."

[Roxie]

Behaviorism can't explain everything about raising a child, but I think it's always good to have the question "Is this behavior something I wish to encourage?" in the back of one's mind.
I strongly believe that children, especially young children, will only do what the parents allow them to get away with.

[Jetsetlemming]

I did plenty of stuff my parents wouldn't let me get away with if they knew about it as a kid. :O I was the ringleader most of the time. :3

[Roxie]

I'm talking toddlers.

[Jetsetlemming]

I was talking the entirely elementary school period of "children"-hood, but then again I don't remember a thing of being a toddler.

[Kusoyaro]

that 5th grade sex thing made me vomit a little in my mouth
it's actually pretty funny in a sad pathetic kind of way

[Fred]

I am a new father. My baby is four weeks and a day old. I love spending time with my baby. I love changing diapers. I love waking up after 3 hours of sleep to soothe my baby. I think it is cute when he farts or yawns or coughs or stretches or sleeps or hiccups or cries, or whines, or looks around, or kicks his legs or grunts when he poops, or… whatever he does. I feel happy just looking at my baby.

This is proof to me that I have been infected with some kind of virus. (It has to be a virus because I took antibiotics and the infection remained.) There is no other explanation as to why I would be willing to put up with this stuff. I can understand why non-infected people don’t want to put up with other people’s kids. Where is the up-side? I just want you people without children to understand that you are dealing with sick people. We are not ourselves. Have mercy.

[Kusoyaro]

Man that new-baby smell is intoxiating though

[Jay]

I am a new father. My baby is four weeks and a day old. I love spending time with my baby. I love changing diapers. I love waking up after 3 hours of sleep to soothe my baby. I think it is cute when he farts or yawns or coughs or stretches or sleeps or hiccups or cries, or whines, or looks around, or kicks his legs or grunts when he poops, or… whatever he does. I feel happy just looking at my baby.

This is proof to me that I have been infected with some kind of virus. (It has to be a virus because I took antibiotics and the infection remained.) There is no other explanation as to why I would be willing to put up with this stuff. I can understand why non-infected people don’t want to put up with other people’s kids. Where is the up-side? I just want you people without children to understand that you are dealing with sick people. We are not ourselves. Have mercy.

:rofl: Sorry.

[PopescuDarius]

Hahhahaha the family thing, no need to sorry : ))

[Jay]

...where'd YOU pop up from?

[PopescuDarius]

Can't you read ... wait you can't.

I am from Romania.
I am Darius sir, will be at your disposal.

Regards,

[Jay]

Can't you read ... wait you can't.

You don't know me and already you're insulting me?

That's a new record, even for me. Heh.

[PopescuDarius]

Well you can be a beginner if you don't have even avatar.

Regards,

[Jay]

Jay
Avatarless.

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Orstraya mait.

:rofl: Go away, newbie.

[Saitou Hajime]

Why don't you guys keep the arguing to the Room With Padded Walls? It's going on there already, anyway. Stop acting like kids in the grown up section; you're just giving people more reasons to not want kids. :(

[Jay]

I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to figure this guy out. :rofl:

[PopescuDarius]

Stop laughing about it, i don't like to say that i am a noob, my status is Advanced Member.

Regards,

[Jay]

:rofl: ur funni lol

[_yeah]

Stop laughing about it, i don't like to say that i am a noob, my status is Advanced Member.

Regards,

So let me get this straight, your claim to not being a newbie is the fact that you filled the words "Advanced Member" into the custom title box in your user profile?

I think that's pretty much the Internet equivalent of somebody who does not hold a university degree of any sort claiming to be a doctor.

[Jay]

He hasn't filled in diddly squat; OP9 puts it there by default. :D

[MeneerDijk]

Keep it on topic pls

[Jay]

Yes sir! *salute*

[PopescuDarius]

Jay what's ur age, you have a job, any tornado in canada?

[Jay]

PM me. Let's get this back on topic before Mr Dijk gets grumpy.

Trust me, you won't like a grumpy dyke. :D

[PopescuDarius]

What "keep it on topic" means?

[Jay]

Well way back in the day when forums were invented, the first thing they did was to create this marvellous idea called 'a topic'. When you create a 'thread', which we're in now, you generally try and keep the conversation somewhat related to the chosen topic, be it sport, or arts, or in this case kids; and if you wish to converse about another subject, you must create another 'thread'.

If what you have to say is not relevant to any particular 'topic', you may choose to send a person a 'private message', which is where you can click on their 'screen name', in your case PopescuDarius, which is the name that's displayed when the person makes a 'post', and find the link that says 'send a private message to <insert person's screen name here>'.

And that is how we come to understand the theory behind forums.

Please, promise me you won't ever change. :)

[PopescuDarius]

Yes, sir !

Regards,

[Fred]

So, back to the topic…

The person who wrote the article at the beginning of this thread is really just asking for simple courtesy. The author is talking about it in the context of children, but it is easy to generalize his/her point.

When you invite someone into your home, treat them like they are important to you. (i.e. don’t wander off to take care of chores.)

Conversations should be about topics that both people are interested in. Maybe if you were a scatologist, you might be interested in my baby’s poo. Even then, I would be unlikely to offer information. (If you were a parent, however, you would certainly want see my collection of soiled diapers – sealed in airtight plastic and stamped with a date to preserve chronological ordering – for my baby’s scrap book.)

The only problem with the author’s suggestion is that children emit some kind of virus that, coupled with sleep deprivation, drives parents insane and you can not expect insane people to do sensible things.

[Jon885]

That's a funny article that makes a lot of valid points. Although I can't really relate. I've heard it a lot, but what's florentine? A kind of Italian dish?

[japanat]

I have 4, count them, 4 kids. They are my life, I don't do anything much without them right now, and probably won't for a few more years. I love them, they drive me crazy, they do unbelievably cute and/or stupid things on a daily basis.

But they are MY kids, not yours. I'm not gonna show you pics, not gonna bore you with the latest booger story. Until you shake, and bake, you probably can't relate, and really don't care. Any parent who can't see that is self-centered and inconsiderate of the person they are speaking to, unless that person has really asked how the kids are (in which case, they become 'boredom fair game'!).

[Soli]

^ :clap:

(10char)

[akitaka]

DINKS. Double Income No Kids. AKA 'the restaurant's favorite customer'.

As a server, I found that the issue's in the parents more than the children. They have emotional needs that have to be gradually tamed by an affectionate, yet firm hand, and that takes a lot of empathy for both them and others. Even then, I'll probably end up like japanat and have several of me running around, scattering the establishment with crayons and jello...oh well...at least they'd be 'mine' :-)

With that said, I'm never as concerned about the child, when they start acting up, but as the article points out, the parent's willingness to take care of things in an effective, and mature fashion. Either that, or they buy the kid a gameboy.

[japanat]

or they buy the kid a gameboy.:clap: We're up to 3 DSs (they pay half out of their お年玉) and a Adv SP for the youngest. The world's simplest babysitter, it actually allows me to watch a whole soccer game (35min, including halftime), or fly back to the States w/o stress!

[gentlemanandscholar]

:clap: We're up to 3 DSs (they pay half out of their お年玉) and a Adv SP for the youngest. The world's simplest babysitter, it actually allows me to watch a whole soccer game (35min, including halftime), or fly back to the States w/o stress!

Whoever said videogames are bad for children never took the parent's wellbeing into account, I do declare.

[Soli]

I think video games can be good for kids.

My little brother leaned how to read from playing pokemon. :rofl: He didn't want to learn until he realized that my mom wasn't going to read it for him.

[RandomPasserby]

:clap: We're up to 3 DSs (they pay half out of their お年玉) and a Adv SP for the youngest. The world's simplest babysitter, it actually allows me to watch a whole soccer game (35min, including halftime), or fly back to the States w/o stress!
Don't blame society when pokemon turns your kids into Satan worshipping school shooters!

[akitaka]

Naw. It's a phase that all kids grow out of (heavy gaming, etc). Then again, it'd be mad-awesome if they could make something for the DS with some factual learning content...for example, that surgery game? Imagine a 7-year old being able to do a tracheotomy without breaking a sweat. Okay, pretty unrealistic, but still.

[japanat]

Don't blame society when pokemon turns your kids into Satan worshipping school shooters!
Without the DS, I'd be the Satan-worshipping school shooter (minus the school...).

Seriously, though, I see nothing wrong with letting my kids play some game. The key is how much, to which I set a limit. If we're at an important soccer game of my older son's where I'm videotaping for the team, I say "Have fun. Don't interrupt Daddy." Other days, they have a 1-hr or less limit, after they finish any homework or chores for that day.