Advent Children out

[NERD]

I've been looking forward to this- though, I admit I was watching Final Fantasy: Spirits Within on the opening day in the empty theater.

Apparently it's out in Japan, not gonna be released here officially for two months, but- there's a way.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000053058452/

[RDClip]

I've been looking forward to this- though, I admit I was watching Final Fantasy: Spirits Within on the opening day in the empty theater.

Apparently it's out in Japan, not gonna be released here officially for two months, but- there's a way.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000053058452/
Yep it's all over BT right now.

[Myrsilus]

Word gets out quick... Mmyes.... Hm hm hm hm hm ha ha...

I'll be watching it soon I hope.

[moo]

I already heard someone dies o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o

[zell583]

i think i know why the english release has been pushed back, their wanting to release it as close as possible to christmas so they can get a lot more money from the sales.

[Ahimsa]

Haha, I am watching it now O.O

[Citizen]

The game sucks. I have little hope for the movie. Especially after hearing that Cid is barely in it, as he was the only good part of FFVII.

[NERD]

It's partially the nostaliga of FF7 and partiaully to see how purdy that thing looks. I still remember when FF7 came out first, it was something of a small revolution. Popular RPGs were stuff like Ultima, Zelda until FF7 came out. Remember all the TV commercials too. Then I got frigging frustrated when my PS1 would crap out on me with rendered scenes. Gah.

I think the whole looks like a bad J-rock music video, but ah well.

[Citizen]

It's partially the nostaliga of FF7 and partiaully to see how purdy that thing looks. I still remember when FF7 came out first, it was something of a small revolution. Popular RPGs were stuff like Ultima, Zelda until FF7 came out. Remember all the TV commercials too. Then I got frigging frustrated when my PS1 would crap out on me with rendered scenes. Gah.

I think the whole looks like a bad J-rock music video, but ah well.

FFVII was nothing special. The only reason for the "small revolution" was a wave of fanboys with no taste in games. It just got lucky, and came out at the right time(that is to say, as the first PSX era FF game).

The so-called revolutionary graphics were complete crap. Seriously, the game would have looked better with sprites. They should have waited to use 3D until they could do it right. Looking at the game for extended periods of time hurt my eyes and everything blended into one big 3D pile of crap. Couldn't tell what was what when that happened.

I agree about the bad J-rock/Pop thing though. All it is is fanboy fanservice.

For the record though, RPGs were more than Zalda and Ultima. Games like the Lunar series, the Arc series, the good FF games, SoM, Star Ocean, CT, DQ series, etc., were out long before FFVII are are the true genre stars.

*tries to forget the waste of time that was FFVII* :(

[NERD]

True, FF7 wasn't the best RPG- but at least it was the first to move on to the 3D realm with some success. The in-game graphics were crap, but at least the cut scenes were pretty good. Square still has one of the best CG teams in the world. Check out the first FF movie or the Animatrix movie they did before they went out of business.

My brother regards the FF1-6 to be superior to the later incarnations. I didn't really play them so I don't know. Personally I liked Ys, that's a cool series too.

Lastly, FF7 did introduce Japanese RPGs to the masses. Which may have contributed to the anime boom, and thus creating a surplus of Japanophiles. If this is marketing, it's damn good. Of course, coming from the country that created Pokémon I'm not surprised.

[Citizen]

FFI-FFVI superior? Yeah, sounds about right. FFIV and FFVI are the best in the series. FFI started it all, obviously loading it down with nostalgia, and FFIII is fun as hell to play and can get pretty tough. FFV is decent. FFII sucks. Tactics is in the top three, with IV and VI.

I've seen both The Animatrix and The Spirits Within FF movie, as well as the FF anime(which was horrible :( ).

[CNagy]

The main draw of Final Fantasy VII is the story, which I will throw in my opinion that FF7's story is still better than FF8s, FF9s, FF10s, and though I hesitate to include it, FF10-2's. There is a level to the story that you have to actually either research or have some passing familiarity with Jewish mysticism to get a good hold on. The story is well crafted, and can be broken down into various instances of numbers of power.

Character-wise, Final Fantasy 7 had a great cast. Dispite the fact that Barret was a stereotypical big black guy, he had alot of character growth. Cloud was a prick, but hey, he's a posterboy for angsty antihero with a dark past. Almost all of the characters either had an interesting backstory, interesting growth, or both. Hell, even inconsequential characters (the Turks, for example) have garnered a following because of their personality. Add in Sephiroth who, while not a great villain in the way Kefka is a great villain, is a tragic figure, and you've got the ingredients for a very memorable story.

I'm sorry you got caught up in the graphics and couldn't enjoy the game, but I humbly submit that you missed out on an entirely different level of the game that makes your "fanboy with no taste" comment rather insulting.

[NERD]

Yea, FF7's story was something they couldn't emulate afterwards. From VIII to X, I could almost predict what was going to be the next plot line, but not with VII. To this day, there's not a lot of games where the main heroine is killed midway through the game. I was at an age where the game made quite an impact as well, so I'm partially endeared to it.

Good point on the characters too. I believe it would be a selling point just to see these characters updated, myself included. Not sure if Barrett looks good with cornrows, he completely lost the "cousin-of-Mr.T" look. Shame, shame.

There's no doubt FF7 was one of the best RPGs for PS1.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

Downloading it through BitComet right now.

FF7 was only revolutionized only by it's graphics, but to me, the storyline couldn't compete with the Legend of Zelda series. :D

[CNagy]

You mean the story that never really changed? :D How many ways can you retell the story of the thief Ganon stealing a triforce, of Zelda being a worthless princess, of a master sword? Not too mention that franchise was whored out really badly. I like Zelda, but the story was kinda secondary for me.

[NERD]

Zelda is more close-knitted environment, methinks- so it's more intimate affair of Link going after Zelda while interacting with different people and what not. There's no apocalyptic atmosphere that surrounds Final Fantasy series.

Comparing Zelda and FF is like comparing apples and oranges. They are only grouped together because they are fruits!

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

You mean the story that never really changed? :D How many ways can you retell the story of the thief Ganon stealing a triforce, of Zelda being a worthless princess, of a master sword? Not too mention that franchise was whored out really badly. I like Zelda, but the story was kinda secondary for me.

the Zelda Storyline a bit TOO cliche? I mostly agree. But aren't all games cliche, with the "Save-the-world, Win-a-trophy-chic" sort of thing?

Well, I did get mad at the CEL shades of Windwaker, and the remakes of bad guys (stupid Vaati, up yours, Ganon), and I was hoping for another Ocarina of Time Storybase in Twilight Princess, but now it seems to be like another Majora's Mask, with turning into a wolf, and whatnot.

[Lateli]

I loved FF7, I wasn't too impressed with the Spirits Within movie (Was anyone?), I did see it at the midnight opening. It was a packed theatre, they messed up the sound too, and it was delayed 5 minutes and the people went crazy! AHH! :/

Ok, the DVD was pushed back, but what about the UMD? And why do those asshats want $40 for the UMD, it's still just the movie! Isn't it? O_o (Did they want $40 for the DVD too?)

[Bob]

Morrowind > ffx > everything else

ffxi is one of the worst games ive ever played

[Benaire]

Yeah I am man enough to admit i shed a tear when arieth or who ever she was died....... and phoniex down wouldn't bring her back......... Whaaaaaa!!!!!

[RDClip]

Just watched AC and I ca say that it was a hell of a good movie.

Everything Spirits Within did wrong Advent Children did right. Even if your not a FF fan, the action alone is worth watching. All I can say about the action is: SPECTACULAR.

I don't think anyine will be complaining about this movie.

[Cheapo]

The main draw of Final Fantasy VII is the story, which I will throw in my opinion that FF7's story is still better than FF8s, FF9s, FF10s, and though I hesitate to include it, FF10-2's. There is a level to the story that you have to actually either research or have some passing familiarity with Jewish mysticism to get a good hold on. The story is well crafted, and can be broken down into various instances of numbers of power.

Character-wise, Final Fantasy 7 had a great cast. Dispite the fact that Barret was a stereotypical big black guy, he had alot of character growth. Cloud was a prick, but hey, he's a posterboy for angsty antihero with a dark past. Almost all of the characters either had an interesting backstory, interesting growth, or both. Hell, even inconsequential characters (the Turks, for example) have garnered a following because of their personality. Add in Sephiroth who, while not a great villain in the way Kefka is a great villain, is a tragic figure, and you've got the ingredients for a very memorable story.

I'm sorry you got caught up in the graphics and couldn't enjoy the game, but I humbly submit that you missed out on an entirely different level of the game that makes your "fanboy with no taste" comment rather insulting.

He's right!! took the words outta my mouth. Ok, the graphics weren't top notch or nearly as good good as it could've been, but the storyline was a masterpeice. i remember going nuts after Aeris died and turned off the ps1.... All the characters go through the devlopment that a story should, especiall cloud i think, where at first he seems mysterious but as the game gets along, you grow on him and feel sympathy towards the end. Hell even Cait Sith got a personality. It's those little things that also makes a game great.

I've played Zelda, and personally Zelda gets repetitive towards the end, where you just have to run around doing quests and stuff like that. The gameplay was good though, it gets you thinking, but then again, most people play it with a guide, so the challenges just become an obstacle for the final fight. Having played both the N64 Zelda version, i can safely say that Zelda doesn't nearly go through as much character growth as FF7, and FF7 > all

[Trump]

I thought the battle system in FFVII was one of the best. The materia system is great and fun to develop as you level up.

[NERD]

Materia system made more sense than the Draw in VIII- it's a neat concept, but it becomes annoying after awhile. The battle system for FF series hardly changed though, except for X. I like how I could leave in the middle of the battle and not worry about the consequences...

Morrowind is a good game, but the story itself sucked and it was unpolished in some areas. I hope the next Elder Scrolls be better than Morrowind. XI wasn't all that great, I concur...

[NERD]

I finished watching Advent Children- at least it has something that resembles a plot, unlike Spirits Within, so that's good... The action scenes are not bad, but I don't remember when Cloud and Sephiroth got integrated into the Matrix.

And that soundtrack.... All I gotta say is, it was a pretty rendered J-rock video. Gah.

[Azrael]

Advent Children - that kicked a lot of ass. I shall now forgive Square for that crap-ass sorry excuse of an ending at FF7. They should remake FF7, and then at the end just have it launch into AC.

Oh, and The Turks > *

[Wysen]

I take it the FF7:AC you all are finding out there in BT is dubbed. Anyone know what groups have dubbed it?

[Masa the Masta]

Advent Children - that kicked a lot of ass. I shall now forgive Square for that crap-ass sorry excuse of an ending at FF7. They should remake FF7, and then at the end just have it launch into AC.

Oh, and The Turks > *

I have it downloaded, but apparently you have to work the video somehow to put the subtitles in. I tried watching it right now and got no subtitles (I don't have the Japanese language down at all. :( ) I think there's some extra files in here which could very well be the subs..

Does anyone know how to get this thing to work???

I'd like to watch it when I get back from class today. :D


On another note: I enjoyed FF7. To be honest, I'm actually replaying through it right now, these days. I'm certainly not playing it for it's graphics, because I enjoyed the story. Btw, I know this is old, but did anyone ever see that PS3 Final Fantasy VII demo? They've said they're not going to re-make FF7, but decided to just make a small PS3 teaser demo to prove it's power.

[NERD]

I take it the FF7:AC you all are finding out there in BT is dubbed. Anyone know what groups have dubbed it?

AC just got out in Japan a day or two ago. Obviously there's no English dub for it, and I believe the subtitle file is there if you downloaded it. Ask around if you have no idea how to toggle the subtitles in.

[Masa the Masta]

AC just got out in Japan a day or two ago. Obviously there's no English dub for it, and I believe the subtitle file is there if you downloaded it. Ask around if you have no idea how to toggle the subtitles in.

Can I ask you? :D the subtitled file is there, I confirmed something that should be it.

Does anyone know at all, for that matter if/how they got theirs to work??

[Wysen]

Can I ask you? :D the subtitled file is there, I confirmed something that should be it.

Does anyone know at all, for that matter if/how they got theirs to work??
Follow this link, it'll tell you how and where to get the program to do it. http://www.ff7acmovie.com/articles/tech_support/how_to_view_subtitles_using_vobsub.html

[Masa the Masta]

AHHH!! WTF!!! My subtitles are not english...! :eek:

What a sad...sad day. It's in Japanese.

Fooled, we've been! There's subtitles...but not in english!!! :p Oh well. Shikata ga nai, right??

[NERD]

Ummmm, go back to the sources where you found the movie, and they have English subtitles available as well. I believe the Japanese subtitles was the default one included with the Japanese DVD.

[Masa the Masta]

Ummmm, go back to the sources where you found the movie, and they have English subtitles available as well. I believe the Japanese subtitles was the default one included with the Japanese DVD.

Um...it's not there. Could you PM me the link??

[Lerris]

http://divxstation.com/subtitles.asp

Do a search for "Final Fantasy", they currently have both English and Dutch subtitle files up.

[NERD]

Check your message. From what I know, there's several versions of the subtitles floating around.

If you are winner like me and use Macs, it's recommended to use the subtitle file that ends with .srt From what I know, .srt files should work fine with Winamp/Windows media player on Windows machines. And for Macs, I recommend using VLC.

[CNagy]

Oh, and The Turks > *

This made my day... I'm at 75% and rising, soon I shall be able to see it for myself.

[Mushu]

This made my day... I'm at 75% and rising, soon I shall be able to see it for myself.
71% and rising, cant wait, 120k/s up 97k/s down. damn that down

[Citizen]

I'm sorry you got caught up in the graphics and couldn't enjoy the game, but I humbly submit that you missed out on an entirely different level of the game that makes your "fanboy with no taste" comment rather insulting.

The graphics had very little to do with why I hated the game. I touched on them because it's one of the big things people always rave about. That it was such a great looking, revolutionary game. It looked like crap. They tried 3D way too soon, it flopped, but people choose to ignore that and dub it as a masterpiece.

The story was bland and unoriginal, the game was predictable, the characters were nothing special(mostly cliches, annoying characters, and fanservice), the game was way too easy(Ruby = only hard if you fight it wrong. Rest of game = easy as all hell). The game brought very little to the table. Even what most people consider to be the games highpoint was lame. Sephiroth killing Aeris. Amazing? No. It was so predictable that it was almost cheesy. Villain kills hero's love interest because she was a threat which causes hero to fight harder. How original.

I've played through the entire game two or three times. Sorry if you find it insulting, but the fact is, the scores of people who go around screaming "zomg lolz ff 7 teh best game evar!!1" have no taste. It's not even in the top ten as far as RPGs go.

It'll go down as the single most overrated game of all time. A mediocre game, at best. Oh well. I've found that your opinion towards FFVII doesn't matter unless you love it without question, so I'll leave it at that. At least in America. The newer incarnations of the DQ series are Japans "zomg lolz best gamez evar!!1" mediocre RPGs. Although they tend to go a bit more overboard.

[koku]

I watched it too. Some of the fight scenes shifted camera angles and zoom so fast it was hard to follow, but It was fun. I guess since I never beat ff7 (spoilers...damn you) the nostolgia factor didn't impact me. I don't want to spoil things but I think any ff7 fan can enjoy it for some of the fight scenes alone.

[TS-]

FF7 was a B grade RPG with A+++ hype. It's not a BAD game, it's just a little over-rated;

FF7 was the first introduction to RPGs for a lot of gamers, and, if not great, is at least "important." Original (to a large part of the fanbase) + incredible hype = eternal fandom.

[NERD]

The graphics had very little to do with why I hated the game. I touched on them because it's one of the big things people always rave about. That it was such a great looking, revolutionary game. It looked like crap. They tried 3D way too soon, it flopped, but people choose to ignore that and dub it as a masterpiece.

3D was a new technology at the time- I remember when first graphic cards ran up for $+200 while packing somewhere between 16-32mb of RAM. And FF7 was the first RPG to try and had a positive review for it. Granted, to today's standards, it's not even mediocre, but at the time it worked, and it obviously works for fans who still play the game today. Also, because they tried, they were able to ante up the graphics for FF8. Do remember DragonQuest didn't really pull off 3D until the latest incarnation.

The story was bland and unoriginal, the game was predictable, the characters were nothing special(mostly cliches, annoying characters, and fanservice), the game was way too easy(Ruby = only hard if you fight it wrong. Rest of game = easy as all hell). The game brought very little to the table. Even what most people consider to be the games highpoint was lame. Sephiroth killing Aeris. Amazing? No. It was so predictable that it was almost cheesy. Villain kills hero's love interest because she was a threat which causes hero to fight harder. How original.

See, it's all relative. I consider Blade Runner one of the greatest films of all times, but I know plenty of people who were fighting not to fall asleep. Or how some people are rabid fans of Rob Liefeld while many comic book fans continue to ridicule him. The numbers of FF7 fanboys that made Advent Children a possibility speaks of how many people bought and loved the story. Speaking of clichés, you can go much lower than FF7. I'm not gonna argue the high and low points of FF7- I think enough people holds a special place for the game, myself included.

I've played through the entire game two or three times. Sorry if you find it insulting, but the fact is, the scores of people who go around screaming "zomg lolz ff 7 teh best game evar!!1" have no taste. It's not even in the top ten as far as RPGs go.

Again, you can't argue how meat is the best thing in the world, which I concur, to people who are vegetarians. It's just difference in perception. While I do find many of FF7 fanboys annoying, no doubt it is one of the most distinguished RPGs of all time. And hey, when they are doing top 10s, popularity always comes heavily into it. Simple as that.

It'll go down as the single most overrated game of all time. A mediocre game, at best. Oh well. I've found that your opinion towards FFVII doesn't matter unless you love it without question, so I'll leave it at that. At least in America. The newer incarnations of the DQ series are Japans "zomg lolz best gamez evar!!1" mediocre RPGs. Although they tend to go a bit more overboard.

I personally consider Halo as the most overrated game of all time. Which explains I get into a fistfight with Xbox owners every time I enter Best Buy. I just can't help myself from mocking them.

[CNagy]

The story was bland and unoriginal, the game was predictable, the characters were nothing special(mostly cliches, annoying characters, and fanservice), the game was way too easy(Ruby = only hard if you fight it wrong. Rest of game = easy as all hell). The game brought very little to the table. Even what most people consider to be the games highpoint was lame. Sephiroth killing Aeris. Amazing? No. It was so predictable that it was almost cheesy. Villain kills hero's love interest because she was a threat which causes hero to fight harder. How original.
Well, I don't think they were really marketing the game towards the psychic demographic. Still, I suppose not everyone will enjoy something, even if the fanbase and the numbers are more than enough to show that there is something to its popularity. You keep throwing the word predictable, but you're one of a couple of people I've ever heard say that they saw everything coming ahead of time. It must suck to be an organic spoiler engine. Can't say I'd ever play any games or watch any movies if I had your powers of prescience.

[Citizen]

Also, because they tried, they were able to ante up the graphics for FF8. Do remember DragonQuest didn't really pull off 3D until the latest incarnation.

That might be true. On the other hand, I get the feeling that 3D would have been at the level it was when FFVIII came out no matter what FFVII looked like. I agree that DQ has been lacking for a long time.


no doubt it is one of the most distinguished RPGs of all time.

Like I said, it came out at the right time on the right system. That, and it was one of the first FF launches done right in America. The rest got little hype or were released under the wrong title, making them obscure.


I personally consider Halo as the most overrated game of all time. Which explains I get into a fistfight with Xbox owners every time I enter Best Buy. I just can't help myself from mocking them.

Yeah, it's hard to deny that Halo is overrated. I can't help mocking FFVII and the annoying FFVII fanboys any more than you can help mocking Halo fanboys. :D

You keep throwing the word predictable, but you're one of a couple of people I've ever heard say that they saw everything coming ahead of time. It must suck to be an organic spoiler engine. Can't say I'd ever play any games or watch any movies if I had your powers of prescience.

:rolleyes:

Actually, FFVII is one of the few TV shows/movies/games that was too predictable for my taste. Others include Inuyasha, Wild Arms 3, most action and war movies, etc. I can't help it. Although I'm not sure how anyone couldn't have been at least two or three steps ahead of FFVII most of the time.

[TS-]

To be fair, FF7 is most definitely not the only RPG to have that sort of thing happen (regarding Aeris), and was definitely not the first.

[NERD]

Before anything, hook- line- and sinker. Regardless of the messageboard, FF7 always lights them up. Yee-haw.

That might be true. On the other hand, I get the feeling that 3D would have been at the level it was when FFVIII came out no matter what FFVII looked like. I agree that DQ has been lacking for a long time.

There's a different niche that a 2D and a 3D game carves, just like how some people are more loyal to 2D fighters whereas some consider 3D to be superior. If anything, FF7 accelerated the integration of 3D into RPGs, and it's actually rarer to see "true" 2D RPGs compared to the anount of 3D RPGs today. FFVII definitely deserves credit for that. And FFVIII looked that good because Square learnt from their mistakes, without VII they couldn't have moved forward.

Like I said, it came out at the right time on the right system. That, and it was one of the first FF launches done right in America. The rest got little hype or were released under the wrong title, making them obscure.

I agree with that. For many gamers today, PS1 was their first console, and FFVII was the first RPG they played. It's like your biological parents- no matter how good or bad they are, they still remain an integral part of yourself. And luck goes a long way with videogames too.

Yeah, it's hard to deny that Halo is overrated. I can't help mocking FFVII and the annoying FFVII fanboys any more than you can help mocking Halo fanboys. :D

We'll make our peace here- you go mock the FFVII fanboys while I mock the Halo fanboys. Just not here. We can go to a local gamestore and ruin someone's day, which would prove to be far more productive.

:rolleyes:

Actually, FFVII is one of the few TV shows/movies/games that was too predictable for my taste. Others include Inuyasha, Wild Arms 3, most action and war movies, etc. I can't help it. Although I'm not sure how anyone couldn't have been at least two or three steps ahead of FFVII most of the time.

If you look at many Japanese products, namely TV shows, animes, mangas, games, there's certain archetypes that exist, and many of them can't get away from them. FFVII may fall a victim to such archetypes, which was also evident in Advent Children in my opinion, but perhaps it's those archetypes that entertains the fans. Like if Cinderella ended up as the house slave for the evil stepmother and sisters, many girls and boys would be shattered. FFVII was perhaps the first introduction to such archetypes, so for many, the plot was great, unpredictable.

[ChronoSphere]

Just saw it and it rocks. I will be buying the DVD when it comes out in the States.

[Mushu]

it was a kick ass movie, the storyline, the fight scenes, everything was perfect

[CNagy]

The story left a few loose ends, and I wished it was about 2 hours longer (impossible? yeah, but I'd like to see a bit more of everyone,) but those fight scenes were very, very nice. And the Turks rule, Reno and Rude are the greatest two man team.

[Masa the Masta]

Is it me, or did Reno seem to be a bit more comical and less serious, as opposed to Reno in the game? (The only funny thing I can remember Reno doing in the game was walking on the flowers, which only brought about a minor chuckle, if that.)

I actually thought of how precious the flowers were to Reno, and then suddenly you see Cloud and that one guy literally just DRIVE over them with their bikes LOL. :D

I would've hoped to have seen a bit more interaction sexually between Tifa and Cloud. >: ( We know they're going to end up together because Cloud just can't sit there without any poonani. Go for the one with the jugs!

So yeah, I was only very slightly dissapointed that we didn't see any of the love triangle stuff. Great movie though. :p

[Pretentious]

I've read the (apparent) spoilers. And honestly, the story looks like it got KATRINA'D. Just looks like every bad FF7 fanfic combined into one movie.

[NERD]

A poll is added to the thread- Advent Children, good or bad?

[Pierrot le Fou]

It's all well and good if you liked FF7. That's cool and all. It's just where the FF games really took a turn in direction and started going down an entirely separate path from where they started. Up until FF7 you had a game with short story sections, decent graphics, but pretty-much focused on gameplay and difficulty. They were rather unpopular (in comparison to, say, Mario).

FF7 comes along and does two things: HUGE cutscenes with CG rendered movies, and ads on MTV that boasted those cutscenes to people who may have thought that the game was actually ALL like the cutscenes. The only technological benefit of the PS that FF7 used was the higher storage capacity on the THREE CDs they stored the damned game on.

Personally I hated swapping discs, and I hated long-ass cutscenes to the point where there were plot breaks of 30 minutes before you could save. This is the Xenogears problem.

There was nothing revolutionary about it. They killed off Tella in FF4. They killed off what's-his-face (the old guy) in FF5. Shadow can die in FF6, and General Leo does. Fucked up heroes? Take Terra from FF6, or Cecil who DESTROYS A VILLAGE at the start of FF4. Just because Cloud was a f'ing headcase doesn't make him any cooler or more troubled than other heroes from previous games.

The combat in FF7 took too long with all the frickin' animations. The difficulty was entirely dependent on whether or not you had the strategy guide (I didn't, and I couldn't find a whole boatload of the various materia, let alone Vincent, or ultimate weapons). And from there the requirement of having a strategy guide to get 100% (or close enough) on a game was born.

FF4 was a great game. Getting up to 99 wasn't that hard. Sure there were things that were hard to find (like the crystal sword) but could easily be done. The only REALLY hard things were the 'bomb' and 'imp' summons, as well as the mithril armor. But that's a digression...

And it ain't anywhere CLOSE to the best RPG for the PSX.

Try Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve (the first one, for a cinematic RPG done RIGHT), Star Ocean: The Second Story, or Tactics Ogre, or...

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

I voted for "Eh". 'Cause I'm Canadian. :D

[Pretentious]

I honestly could never get into the older FF games. No clue why either. I can see that they're good games, just they don't really capture my interest.

Actually, the only FF game I truly like 100% is FFX-2. It seemed to do something that FF games (and RPGs in general) seemed to be afraid to do for the longest time now: It had fun. There wasn't a terrible amount of angst (save the Shuyin/Lenne stuff, which is the only parts of the game that dragged), and the game seemed to just enjoy making fun of itself and it's genre, as the characters were cliched to the point of parody. Just a nice, fun, lighthearted romp that we really don't get enough of in video games nowadays.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

The gaming time felt very short, though.

TOO short, to be exact.

[Mojinr]

Good movie for FF7 fans. Of course many will bitch about, or already are bitching about, just like they with the game but who cares? The movie was basically fanservice for people who loved FF7, which is a lot of people, so it's ironic when people who didn't like FF7 come around in the first place just to say the movie sucked. Common sense must have gone out of style again. :confused:

Anywho, the whole discussion about the game is never new. Opinions differ and sure, FF7 wasn't a fresh and new idea at it's time but for many it introduced people into RPGs. Hell I can remember the bullies, the thugs and thieves coming to me asking about how to get pass the first boss. (Guard Scropion kicked their sorry asses.) With this much exposure and introducing so many into the world of RPGs how can any doubt why it's thought of as the best RPG ever? It brought so many great elements of a story and interesting characters and over-the-top animation moves into a single game.

It's like questioning why people loved Mortal Kombat or Golden Eye and other games. They just brought many good elements together and showed to a new audience.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

You should put the "I don't care I hate Final Fantasy 7" option on there.

That way I would actually end up giving a crap about Advent Children.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Popularity does not dictate quality.

So it was the first mass-market RPG, does that make it the best? Parasite Eve had better gameplay, and a better story, as well as better balance between story and plot than FF7 had, and was even released sooner, but people talk about FF7 because of its popularity, rather than any merits of the game itself.

And Vagrant Story, which came afterwards, was another incredible game that TRULY used what the PSX could do better than the SNES or other systems -- 3D action using polygonal sprites. The entire thing was devoid of cutscenes save the intro (as in pre-menu intro), and set the stage for things to come on PS2. And did it better than many PS2 games.

Popularity does not make a great game.

[Mojinr]

Popularity does not dictate quality.

So it was the first mass-market RPG, does that make it the best? Parasite Eve had better gameplay, and a better story, as well as better balance between story and plot than FF7 had, and was even released sooner, but people talk about FF7 because of its popularity, rather than any merits of the game itself.

And Vagrant Story, which came afterwards, was another incredible game that TRULY used what the PSX could do better than the SNES or other systems -- 3D action using polygonal sprites. The entire thing was devoid of cutscenes save the intro (as in pre-menu intro), and set the stage for things to come on PS2. And did it better than many PS2 games.

Popularity does not make a great game.

True, popularity doesn't make it a great quality game. But you're just stating your opinions when saying PE and VS were better. I liked PE too, but the only reason I even played it was because of FF7. Same thing with Vagrant Story... but I never beat that game. I should do that anyway. But basically your opinions are just that, your opinions. Everyone has one. And if alot of people have the same one it doesn't make other opinions less valid. Like for me, I don't really football, or many other sports. Doesn't mean football is a overrated sport just because tons of others like it. I just prefer to do other things.

Also, from what I see you've been into gaming, RPGs maybe specifically, longer than a lot of others. So you've seen and done more and maybe that's why FF7 doesn't look as special to you. You've seen enough like it before. And many of us that loved FF7 as our gateway into other things RPG years ago now find most RPGs nowadays boring or overly cliche and maybe overrated.

[Benaire]

OMG i just watched it and TIFA!!!! she is like a 2-3 tissue box girl!!! like wow.

[NERD]

I thought Tifa's boobs were not realistic- of course, everything in AC seems to defy gravity, so that's not a shocker. And why does she end up getting her ass handed back every time she fights someone? A la damsel in distress? That's the role designated for Aerith.

[spaik]

no, aerith's role is to be a shishkabob and cloud's wank fantasy. tifa's role is to be the punk bitch who always gets punked. seriously though, it was good. flaky plot, but so was ff7, so who the fuck cares? the action was over the top, with lots of artsy moments, like when tifa hits the wall and the shockwave throws up the flower petals. the blue sparks during cloud vs seph's fight was hot, and of course omnislash was the pimpest shit ever. the turks were fuckin hilarious. the movie needed more cid, more cid chomping cigar, and more cid cussing shit out and making a ruckus. i mean, seriously, cid goes and punks bahamut in the head with his spear and shit, while barret just runs away like a pussy. how hardcore is that? definitely needed more cid.

[Citizen]

More Cid indeed. Granted that anything FFVII related would become more badass with the addition of more Cid. If only he had been the star of VII. Would have made for a godly game. :D

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

I'm still trying to figure out how to use that darned translator

[Pretentious]

More Cid indeed. Granted that anything FFVII related would become more badass with the addition of more Cid. If only he had been the star of VII. Would have made for a godly game. :D

Now see, that's what FF7 needed. A party of Cid, Yuffie, the Turks, and AVALANCHE (minus Tifa, and with the REAL Barrett, not that post-Midgar pussy).

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Someone helpmeouthere.

I got the stuff for the translator synch to the movie and the guys translation, but I can't put it together with the movie.

I don't know what I'm doing.

[NERD]

number17, if you are desperate, you could start it by specifying what operating system you are using, what media player you are using, so and so.

For either Mac or Windows I can recommend using VLC. Google it and you'll find it.
When you open the file on VLC (choose 'open file', not 'quick open file' or whatever option that is) and there's an option where you can choose the subtitle file.

It also appears that the subtitle files come either with .sub or .srt files. I had both and only .srt worked.

[Saitou Hajime]

I just saw the movie, and went into it without any expectations or biased feelings, since I never played FF7, and rarely played any Final Fantasy games at all. I thought the movie was cool, though, and I really liked the action scenes (so that means I liked most of the movie lol).

[Monkey]

I honestly could never get into the older FF games. No clue why either. I can see that they're good games, just they don't really capture my interest.

Actually, the only FF game I truly like 100% is FFX-2. It seemed to do something that FF games (and RPGs in general) seemed to be afraid to do for the longest time now: It had fun. There wasn't a terrible amount of angst (save the Shuyin/Lenne stuff, which is the only parts of the game that dragged), and the game seemed to just enjoy making fun of itself and it's genre, as the characters were cliched to the point of parody. Just a nice, fun, lighthearted romp that we really don't get enough of in video games nowadays.


Except for the fact that I think you were meant to take FFX-2 seriously, it wasn't trying to make fun of itself, it was just bad...


Anyways onto the point. I really liked Advent Children but did feel that it was too short. All that waiting for a very cool movie and they ended up putting a simple and short story in it. I've never really thought that simple and short was ever an FF tradition :D

Having said that, the movie was really great, awesome fight scenes and of course the favourite bad guy ;)

[Citizen]

Now see, that's what FF7 needed. A party of Cid, Yuffie, the Turks, and AVALANCHE (minus Tifa, and with the REAL Barrett, not that post-Midgar pussy).

I pretty much agree with that. Although I'd take out Yuffie and add Red XIII.

Yuffie really was the single most pointless FFVII character. That, and a theiving bitch. The whole "she stole from us, now let's help her" angle left me even more detatched from the story than I had already been, and the hidden village thing seemed even more tacked on than some of the FFVI sidequests. Being a female ninja doesn't make up for that. :(

[NERD]

Being a female ninja doesn't make up for that. :(

Female? Ninja? Being both at the same time?

[Citizen]

Female? Ninja? Being both at the same time?

Indeed. Throw in a shiney weapon and a minor damsel in distress situation, and you've got mighty fine bait for everyone that can't spot a pointless character. :D

[Ceirnian]

Popularity does not dictate quality.


Valkrie Profile, my favorite rpg to date. It never got very popular in the US but damn I love that game. I still need to grab a copy of it and play through till I unlock all the voice files.

As for Advent Children, I thought it was a great movie. I came in expecting it to be decent (nothing more) and was pleasantly suprised by the action / story. The only thing I don't like about it (well FF7 in general) is Cloud. He is such a pansy bitch, it annoys me to see him being the main hero. Like a friend of mine said "he was cool up until he started talking".

I also agree, Turks > all.

<spoiler alert, highlight the white text below if you want to see it>
-Seeing that Rufus was still alive made that movie 10x better to me. He's such a badass.-

[PiccoloNamek]

And Vagrant Story, which came afterwards, was another incredible game that TRULY used what the PSX could do better than the SNES or other systems -- 3D action using polygonal sprites. The entire thing was devoid of cutscenes save the intro (as in pre-menu intro), and set the stage for things to come on PS2. And did it better than many PS2 games.

Damn right. Vagrant Story rocks my world The engine rendered cutscenes are better than most FMVs in recent games. And the soundtrack is pretty much one of the best out of any video game ever. I still tear up a little when I hear "Truth". :(

[Citizen]

I might as well post it in this thread as well. Found this a few minutes ago on a different forum. My favorite FFVII:AC related quote:

They really aren't talking about the story, because there IS no story. :\ The movie would have probably better served as cutscenes in a shitty FF7 sequal, than as a standalone movie like it is.

So true.

[Daishikaze]

Damn right. Vagrant Story rocks my world The engine rendered cutscenes are better than most FMVs in recent games. And the soundtrack is pretty much one of the best out of any video game ever. I still tear up a little when I hear "Truth". :(

I haven't played much of VS, though I have been meaning to. What I have played of it I was seriously impressed, I really need to make time for that game, and that reminds me I need to get back to Grandia as well.

[Ceirnian]

I take it you're the one person who voted for "OMG, it's worse than a flaming poo bag!" Citizen?

[Citizen]

Yeah. Not a very good option, but the best up there. I was tempted to vote "Eh", but that wasn't descriptive enough. :D

[CNagy]

People talk alot about how rabid the final fantasy seven fanboys are, but the funny thing that I've noticed on the forums that I go to is that the most insistent, vehement posters are the very small minority that does not like game and by extension decides to hate the movie. Their constant, negative input becomes funnier when one realizes that the movie was essentially made for the fans; i.e. the people who enjoyed Final Fantasy 7. It's really easy to dismiss someone's opinion, though, when they aren't in the target audience, no rebuttal works better than "it was not made for you."

FF7 is not the best Final Fantasy, but it seems to be the most popular. Very few of the complaints that I've heard really hold any water. There are those who say that the plot sucked, I guess the truth was that they wanted the details handed to them rather than having to find out what all the references meant and how they tied together. I can only wonder what those same people think of Tactics, one of my favorite games but admittedly possessing a plot that one needs to go to the four corners of the earth, listen to every rumour, and get every quest just to piece the background together. I'm not going to list out what I feel to be its advantages, or why I feel detractors are only so volatile in their dissent because the game is so popular. Those points have been done to death, if not here then elsewhere, and I am sure everyone is familiar with the arguments on both sides.

The fact of the matter is that whatever the game has going for it was enough to justify two movies and a game in relation to it.