View Full Version : Sign here: Never tried Drugs or Cigarettes
JustTooCrazy
09-12-2005, 09:17 PM
Sign here if you have never tried any kind of drugs, cigarettes, cigars or anything like that.
-Sign
hapacheese
09-12-2005, 09:19 PM
Alcohol count?
If not, then count me in, despite having lived in Berkeley/gone to UC Berkeley. :D
Random
09-12-2005, 09:21 PM
-sign :D
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I can't sign this, it'd be a lie.
I've tried pretty much everything you see people on the news overdosing on.
PiccoloNamek
09-12-2005, 09:25 PM
I've tried cigarettes, but never drugs, and I don't drink.
Sock Full of Boiled Dimes
09-12-2005, 09:26 PM
I can't.
What I can say is that I'll never do it again.
Alcohol and prescription drugs is as far as it goes for me :p Ate a tiny bit of a hash brownie but tbh I get more of a buzz listening to Tool.
KujiInRetsu
09-12-2005, 09:40 PM
Signed. Alcohol gives me hives, and I have an acute bronchial condition that smoke tends to exacerbate. Not fun.
tbh I get more of a buzz listening to Tool.
Yeah man! High five!
<slaps skin> I'm just hoping the new album will A) be out soon and B) not suck. </thread hijack>
Eh, never cared much about these kinds of threads, but for what it's worth...
Never done any drugs. Closest I've come would be some slight secondhand weed, and that's because I was trapped in the back of a 2-door Neon when the other 3 people in the car decided to pass a pipe around, in spite of the fact that I don't do that sort of thing. Ended up holding my breath (aside from the occasional hand-over-mouth filtered one when I had to) for nigh on half an hour until we finally got where we were going...
Cigarettes, I've never been a regular smoker, but I've taken an occasional drag before, as I really do like the scent and taste of tobacco.
Alcohol I can't say too much on, having had alcohol poisoning from too much vodka kind of answers that one...hehehe...I'm not an alcoholic by any means, but I've had a binge or two that's gone too far.
<slaps skin> I'm just hoping the new album will A) be out soon and B) not suck. </thread hijack>
A) It's supposed to be out either this month or September. So much for early 2005 huh? :p
B) No Tool album has ever sucked, and I doubt this one will. ;)
Okay, you all can have your thread back now, if Pete has nothing esle to say.
Uh_oh
09-12-2005, 09:56 PM
Can't sign, but will say that I won't be in a hurry to try any of it again - that includes alcohol and cigarettes.
Myrsilus
09-12-2005, 09:58 PM
I've tried cigars, but that's it. No drugs, no cigarettes...
Alcohol, though... Heh.
Alcohol, though... Heh.
You too, huh? :D
Myrsilus
09-12-2005, 10:06 PM
Very much so bud. Not my fault I savor the taste of wine and Schnapps...
Jiant Flying Panda
09-12-2005, 10:08 PM
I never did crack. Doe's that count?
Never touched drugs, hell I refrain from medicine as much as I can.
And Peer pressure cannot be an excuse =P
Ive been around dozens of guys who smoked, and told me too, and said no.
Ive seen people bring bags of random drugs, and I never even thought of trying it.
Dunno why, that shit just does not appeal to me
-sign
Niki07
09-12-2005, 10:24 PM
Quite a few of my friends go all out with the drugs, and a good few smoke cigarettes. I've never done anything though.
Sign.
harper
09-12-2005, 10:24 PM
I've never tried drugs or cigarettes nor felt the urge to try them. I'll have an occasional alcoholic drink, but they are few and far between these days.
zell583
09-12-2005, 10:27 PM
I have never drunk anything with alcohol in it, i have never done drugs, and i have never smoked anything all my life!
D-pad
09-12-2005, 10:37 PM
I used to smoke weed........Tried crack on accident once.......funny story........
I used to smoke weed........Tried crack on accident once.......funny story........
I call shennanigans.
JustTooCrazy
09-12-2005, 10:47 PM
lol, dpad had crack when he was 12. tsk tsk. shame shame.
Psychochink
09-12-2005, 10:49 PM
I've never...uh...taken anything that required a needle to administer! I hate needles.
Dead Sexy Vocab
09-12-2005, 11:11 PM
*Signs, masturbates furiously*
AssButt.
09-12-2005, 11:43 PM
*signs*
I guarantee you've all tried drugs, though. Remember, aspirin and caffeine are drugs.
Mushu
09-12-2005, 11:45 PM
I've tried cigarettes, but never drugs, and I don't drink.
same so noi can not sign
*runs away in shame*
Dead Sexy Vocab
09-12-2005, 11:46 PM
Not unless you DIRECTLY (and somehow deliberately) taken the illegal/very bad drugs; cocaine, marijuana, beer (it IS an addiction thing just like Drugs), etc etc
So this is the guidelines for joining the abstinence club? Or 21-and-under club?
I never did drugs, quit smoking like a year ago except for rare puffs here and then. My nicotine patch is alcohol.
Daishikaze
09-13-2005, 12:09 AM
*Signs*
Only one in my family who has never touched the stuff
Dresh
09-13-2005, 12:13 AM
*Insert signing here*
I've never tried drugs or any of that and I don't intend on starting. And alcohol tastes like sweaty donkey scrotum.
Shamu
09-13-2005, 12:28 AM
*Proudly signs*
That's right, I'm a good girl. Never had the urge to do any of that shit. Probably because growing up, my parents did, like all of it. I do have the occasional drink, but I'm not really into that either. I've never been a "party girl". I've always been able to have fun without the use of illegal (and legal) substances.
Citizen
09-13-2005, 12:43 AM
Can't sign. For the record though, never smoked a cigarette. The other two catogories are a different story. =/
Monkey
09-13-2005, 12:57 AM
I can't sign either. Alcohol is my daily bread :p
Soft drugs I've done before, can't really see any benefit from it. Hard drugs I've never taken and it'll take a lot to persuade me to.
I believe in the saying "Don't knock it until you've tried it" Fortunately this thread is phrased quite well, it isn't trying to knock alcohol/drugs just trying to find out how many people do like 'em :D
misterb
09-13-2005, 01:02 AM
The only things I've tried are nicotine based drugs in order to be able to say, 'Tried it and they still suck'. And of course alcohol.
The only thing I may occasionally be using is alcohol, but very rarely as I only do it when people give some to me for free (I dun wanna waste MY money on it...)
PopCulturePooka
09-13-2005, 01:03 AM
Proudly can't sign.
sharpie
09-13-2005, 01:09 AM
*signs*
When your ENTIRE family is in law enforcement, you kinda tend to get paranoid about trying drugs.
bloop
09-13-2005, 01:13 AM
signs
just standing next to someone smoking -anything- makes me feel sick
Janken
09-13-2005, 01:14 AM
I don't smoke cigs or do drugs or anything like that. Tried alcohol.
Pierrot le Fou
09-13-2005, 01:47 AM
As stated in another thread (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808):
(to the tune of a certain Julie Andrews song)
Good beer in chilled mugs and a pack of caster milds,
Tea filled with mushrooms and pot for the come down,
A bag filled with ecstacy tied up with strings,
These are a few of my favourite things...
Some uppers for studying, some downers for travelling,
Some cocaine for late nights, or alcohol downing,
Opium for dreaming of glorious springs,
These are a few of my favourite things...
Pain-killers with red wine, beer with my acid,
Nitrous during sex, it won't make you flaccid,
Rolling on X while some mixed house girl sings,
These are a few of my favourite things...
When boredom sets in, when good friends leave, when I'm feeling mad,
I simply remember my favorite things and then I don't feel sad.
Katiekoneko
09-13-2005, 02:55 AM
*signs*
I have not tried drugs and I wont ever ...and I have yet to meet another person who hasnt smoked pot. (my age roughly I mean and irl)
I have not smoked anything cig. nothing. notta. Never will.
I have never drank alchohol. Ive had a sip of beer when I was 7 when my aunt june made me. I had a sip of killer kool-aid at the bar cuz my friends wanted to "convince" me it wasnt awful. I will never get drunk. I just dont drink. I dont need stuff to have a good time at the bar I go to dance and thats it.
I barely know anyone who doesnt drink..unless they are uber religious. And even some of them drink.
CNagy
09-13-2005, 03:02 AM
Katie is proof that beauty and purity make great bedfellows.
I cannot sign, simply because I do enjoy a smirnoff with my dinner or a vodka tonic when relaxing with friends at a bar or a club. I don't smoke, though I have had a rather... strongly brewed poppy tea that made for an interesting time (poppy tea from an international market tends to not meet the FDA standards for scortching the seeds and keeping them from being an opiate. Brew the tea enough, then, and you are in for an interesting time.)
Katiekoneko
09-13-2005, 03:20 AM
ppl always describe me as "pure"
pure looking..and acting pretty much..
Weirdly enough Katherine/Katie means Pure in greek! (wow totally off topic sorry)
Dead Sexy Vocab
09-13-2005, 03:23 AM
ppl always describe me as "pure"
pure looking..and acting pretty much..
Weirdly enough Katherine/Katie means Pure in greek! (wow totally off topic sorry)
You must be 100% pure if you're still a virgin.
... Are you? ;)
Soonerfan09
09-13-2005, 03:24 AM
*Signs*
Never smoked or drank.
Lateli
09-13-2005, 06:40 AM
I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs.
Unless it's like an Alieve, one of those a month. If no alieve, 2 advils, stupid advil...I had surgery earlier this year, so they might have gave me something before I went home. Stupid tumors. I also had to take celexa when I was like 11, and had the birthcontrol patch for awhile like a year ago.. I don't think any of those "drugs" count though. :p
Collapse
09-13-2005, 07:15 AM
I drink. A lot. Also, I drank as young as 13, heck, even younger than that.
But signed nonetheless.
ImEllPro
09-13-2005, 07:46 AM
Never done drugs, never smoked. Fuckin' is a better high than that crap could ever provide.
yao_yao
09-13-2005, 09:02 AM
Never done drugs, or smoked; I'm allergic to something in cigarettes anyway. Which is kinda bad, considering how many people smoke here in China. My throat and esophogus feel like they're closing up when i inhale smoke. I think I would asphyxiate if I actually smoked.
StormShadow
09-13-2005, 09:04 AM
Come on! All the cool people are doing it! And the women! Oh the women only will like you if you smoke/ drink. I know all yuo chickens really want to. Come on!
cabbit
09-13-2005, 09:43 AM
Come on! All the cool people are doing it! And the women! Oh the women only will like you if you smoke/ drink. I know all yuo chickens really want to. Come on!
LOL!
I smoke and drink. And drink alot. Tried quite a few things under the sun, all of them illegal for some reason or another in the USA. Not hooked on any but I did enjoy a few of them. At parties only, of course. :)
StormShadow
09-13-2005, 09:45 AM
LOL!
I smoke and drink. And drink alot. Tried quite a few things under the sun, all of them illegal for some reason or another in the USA. Not hooked on any but I did enjoy a few of them. At parties only, of course. :)
There you have it! Women will only dig your style if your into what might not be accepted as 'legal' by the man. So come one and all and pick up a bottle of Jager, and hold that Kamel Red Light in the other hand, and enjoy.
dome1984
09-13-2005, 10:08 AM
oh well i tried a cigarette once but then never again... i dont drink alcohol and dont do drugs
Glitch ErrorWeaver
09-13-2005, 10:10 AM
Aaaaaaand signed.
akitaka
09-13-2005, 10:12 AM
Signed.
I recall a buddy of mine coughing up a lot of blood when he was quitting smoking. It's not very becoming.
As for drugs...I went to art school. A lot of kids did drugs, some did cocaine, and I had the grand viewing pleasure of seeing a classmate get wheeled out to an ambulance due to complications. She had an empty grin on her face. No deaths, however.
Besides, the sober person gets to have all the real fun, playing mind tricks on the stoned.
BRICK WALL :)
CopraSanctum
09-13-2005, 12:19 PM
I have a vague memory that a relative made me try cigarette when I was 5(?), and I actually enjoyed drinking beer mixed with syrup or soft drink when I was in grade 5 or 6 (stopped after I got drunk once). Nonetheless, I am strongly against smoking and drugs, and seldom drink. So, I sign.
Roxie
09-13-2005, 01:52 PM
I, honestly, don't get the point of it. Taking drugs. I don't understand the curiosity or reason why you'd want to do that (outside of tylenol and the like).
Maybe it's b/c my cousin got acid thrown on him b/c of drugs and now has pink spots on his very black skin..perhaps that colors my perception.
Cigs are just plain nasty. My grandmother died from fluid in her lungs. Basically drowned to death. Nothing is worth that.
Katiekoneko
09-13-2005, 04:37 PM
Yes..
seriously
I just dont understand why ppl do drugs.. or smoke
I mean... smoking... I dont get what makes them want to enhale something into their lungs that will kill them.
I just dont see the appeal.
I would never be able to date someone who smoked... they always smell like it. And kissing an ash tray doesnt turn me on.
When I was lil.. I thought my aunts "cologne" or "perfume" was beer (not that I thought she threw beer on her self to smell like it. more so.. )That I didnt know that smell was beer. I thought it was her perfume.
She drank SO MUCH. It was just "her smell"
Same with my uncle (not her husband) I thought he was wearing a cologne (sp) that smelt like hers.
Shamu
09-13-2005, 07:37 PM
^^ Agrees with the ladies that posted above me. I don't get it. Smoking especially is just gross! Ewww, just thinking about kissing a guy that's a smoker and reeks of alchohol makes me nauseuos.
There's just better things to with my time, that and I have too much respect for my body.
Praetorian
09-13-2005, 07:38 PM
I'll sign. When you're from the free-est country in the world where some drugs and most alcohol are freely available, it just becomes less fun to try it out I guess.
I can see some sense behind smoking marijuana (it's not addictive, so it can be enjoyed on an occasional basis), but smoking cigarettes makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me. The message I get when I see someone smoking outside is something like 'I want to have cancer'. Bloddy morons...
I sign.
I'm as pure as you can get. :p I've never done drugs, smoked, or drank.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/Solitudity/Warning.jpg
:D
Katiekoneko
09-13-2005, 08:33 PM
I saw somewhere that smoking 1 thing of mari is the same as smoking 4 cigs (the same in the way its bad for your lungs Im assuming?? Cuz I know they have different stuff in it)
its was on one of those infect truth commericals..
I wish I could remember more if it tho
hapacheese
09-13-2005, 08:39 PM
I saw somewhere that smoking 1 thing of mari is the same as smoking 4 cigs (the same in the way its bad for your lungs Im assuming?? Cuz I know they have different stuff in it)
its was on one of those infect truth commericals..
I wish I could remember more if it tho
Those types of general statements should always be treated with a bit of suspicion. Bad for you in what way? Due to what chemicals? Long term or short term?
It could very well be some insignificant health risk that is worse, but everything else is better, or vice versa. While I'm an adamant non-smoker, I have to say that most of those are simply scare tactics. It works as a anti-marketing campaign, but often don't tell the whole truth.
Katiekoneko
09-13-2005, 08:49 PM
I still like their commericals
Monkey
09-13-2005, 11:25 PM
I saw somewhere that smoking 1 thing of mari is the same as smoking 4 cigs (the same in the way its bad for your lungs Im assuming?? Cuz I know they have different stuff in it)
its was on one of those infect truth commericals..
I wish I could remember more if it tho
It does depend how fat you roll them of course. Personally I was told that if you roll the same quantity of marijuana as you would in a normal cigarette then it is twice as bad.
Then again most statistics are made up on the spot so who reallly knows? :p
Katiekoneko
09-14-2005, 12:18 AM
Ya statistics are weird..
I still dont wanna try either!
Nekesu
09-14-2005, 12:27 AM
never smoked ever but have been in contact with enough people that smoke cigs and weed, and bongs etc. all i know is the mary jane smells like burnt shit why the hell would you smoke it, thank god this girl i like stopped, too bad her whole family are potheads =/
Matth
09-14-2005, 12:29 AM
No cigarette : my parents used to smoke, so i became an anti-smoking nazi.
No alcohol : I don't like the taste of any alcohol.
No drug : i don't smoke and i'm afraid of needles.
But once i had to take medecines thatwork a little like some drugs (insomnia...). It's... funny, sometime. And it's legal and free !
So, i sign in.
Dead Sexy Vocab
09-14-2005, 12:30 AM
Does anyone actually hold their breath whenever you walk by someone who's smoking/whenever someone nearby is smoking?
I do that, mostly.
My neighbors smoke. I do not mind except when we have to close our backyard door, and windows, so that it will not stink=/.
I also cclose my breath when it is unbearable, but sometimes I get stuck behind a smoker on the line to the bus, so I just take slow breaths with my mouth.
Does anyone actually hold their breath whenever you walk by someone who's smoking/whenever someone nearby is smoking?
I do that, mostly.
My freind's older brother smokes, and sometimes he plays video games with us. I can't stand it. I have to hold my shirt over my mouth and nose. It's hard to hold my breath when he's sitting right there, but when I walk by someone, I'll hold my breath.
Katiekoneko
09-14-2005, 01:56 AM
I hold my breath too..
God.. I can remember going to the bar and feeling sick all the time
and comming home and NEEDING to shower. If I didnt I would end up with flu like symtoms the next day. And my eyes would burn and water at the bar. I felt so tired too..and I never knew why.
Thats back when they were allowed to smoke in there. I felt like I was dead.
Now I go to the bar and can actually see- and not feel like Im sick.
history1me
09-14-2005, 03:27 AM
I remember going to clubs in Budapest, Hungary. There, the cigarettes are stronger then American ones. Each time I went out dancing, my hair, skin and cloths reeked of dew and smoke.
I would blow my nose and all this black snot would come out.
It was worst waking up to the smell. You basically had to take a shower after the club.
history1me
09-14-2005, 03:34 AM
Sign here if you have never tried any kind of drugs, cigarettes, cigars or anything like that.
-Sign
*pulls hood over*
U crazy suaker! I aint saying zhit. I no me rights, cracker as craker. I pleas the 5th amenment. El Cinco! YO!
Pierrot le Fou
09-14-2005, 03:40 AM
For the love of God -- what the fuck? In an open-air space, cigarettes aren't making it 'hard to breathe' unless you have a SERIOUS respitory problem, in which case you probably shouldn't be out on a city street with all the smog and air pollution to begin with.
And inside? It's a bar for crissakes -- if you hate cigarette smoking in bars, go to one of the trillions of smoke-free bars, or just drink at home.
Whining about smokers when we are one of the most marginalized segments of the population to begin with is bullshit.
That is true, smokers are becoming much more maginalized as of late. It seems there is a new anti-smoking law popping up every day in Ontario. I do think smokers deserve some rights, although it still boggles my mind why anyone would want to start a hobby that is almost guaranteed to give you cancer if you stick with it (which is, of course, very easy to do once you've started).
Marblehead
09-14-2005, 03:58 AM
Whining about smokers when we are one of the most marginalized segments of the population to begin with is bullshit.
Dude, I empathize with you really I do. I used to be a smoker for many a year. However, smokers deserve all the crap they get and then some. It's a shitty useless habit. It doesn't even give you a decent high. If the risk of cancer was the only problem with smoking, I probably would still be doing it. Emphysema and morning tar snot are not worth the four bucks a pack. Also, you never realize how shitty you smelled as a smoker until you stop smoking.
God, I want a cigarette :(
history1me
09-14-2005, 05:58 AM
My x-fiance smoked like crazy. I didn't care then... and I guess if I'm in love than it's cool, but in my mind now (love free)... I would not date someone seriously if she smoked.
l337m45t3r
09-14-2005, 06:24 AM
I drink on occasion, but I'll definiatly sign on the other two.
My old man used to smoke and he smelt absolutly horrible! He had this nasty, flemmy cough that made me want to hurl, especially if it was at the dinner table. Eurgh... Shudder.
Lighting up anything aught to be a capital crime...
akitaka
09-14-2005, 06:30 AM
Smoking doesn't particularly bother me, only I dislike having my clothes smell like it after being next to someone who deliberately lights up in a public area, next to me. It's like they are using the "minding my own business" card to detract their lack of care for surrounding people.
In bars, smoking cars in trains, restuarants, their own homes, parks, etc. I don't expect people not to smoke, so it's cool. But If I'm sitting on a bench and someone thinks it's ok to light one up without at least asking, then I'll say something.
Pierrot le Fou
09-14-2005, 06:46 AM
How the fuck is a smoker supposed to be polite?
There was a day when there were smoking areas and ashtrays in public places. Those of us who wanted to smoke would (shockingly) go to the ashtrays and smoking areas to do so. Then people complained about the blight that was the smoking area, and how they did no good since the smoke didn't stay within the area, and so they disappeared rapidly.
So what happened? We lost a place where we voluntarily went to smoke, and now have to ask everyone next to us if it's okay for us to smoke? If I am at a restaurant with non-smoking friends, I will half-ask if it's okay to smoke. It's more of a warning that I'm going to do it rather than a true question of whether it's okay. The only time I honestly ask is when someone is still eating and I want to light up, because I know it makes food taste worse.
There was a time when we had smoking areas in restaurants. Those of us who wanted to smoke a cigarette after a meal could do so at our seat. There were really fancy ventilation systems installed, but the poor non-smokers couldn't tolerate segregated smoking sections, because again, smoke knows no boundaries, and no matter how well-ventilated the smoking area was, people would whine about the fact that they could still smell it the slightest. So what happened? They pushed for laws to eliminate smoking in restaurants.
But this didn't appease the non-smokers, oh no. Rather than being able to smoke at our seat, we'd have to go to the bar area of a restaurant, and have our cigarette there, before returning to the seat for our next course. And of course, this too was intolerable to the non-smokers (at least in my native Boston), who decided that because the bars were in the same building as the restaurant, and smoke knows no boundaries, that TOO is unacceptable and they banned smoking in all bars period.
And now people complain about us smoking outside bars, outside restaurants, they complain about cigarette butts littering the streets, but they refuse to concede that they were part of the reason it turned into this. Smokers are making a legal choice, and they are being told that they have to be responsible for the comfort and happiness of everyone else within a 10 meter circle from them, because other people are uncomfortable with my habit. Regardless of the health risks involved (which in almost all cases are essentially nil).
Well, fuckit I say. Fuck rabid anti-smokers. You want to complain about me smoking in a public area? Then do so politely. Don't cough, make passive-aggressive gestures, or act as if I have a loaded gun pointed at you and accuse me of being an ass while asking me to do a favour. And beyond that, don't pretend that I am in any way required to bend to your will, and act like a prick if I actually do something nice, like move away or put out the cigarette.
I have to be polite and ask the person next to me? If I'm sitting next to someone on a bench, and I start to pull out a cigarette, the other person can kindly ask me not to and give me their reason. "I'm sorry, but cigarette smoke really bothers me. Would you mind not lighting that up, or should I move?" would be a wonderful way to put it. And I for one would likely move for someone who said that depending on the situation.
But what more often happens is that I'll be sitting on a bench having a cigarette, and someone will come -- while I'm smoking -- and start making coughing gestures, or make fanning motions towards the smoke. I will ask them, "Do you have a problem?" and they will tell me what a 'disgusting habit' it is, or how I am a 'rude smoker' without having done anything but make passive-aggressive overtures towards the habit I was partaking in before they even got there.
Respect is a two-way street. And the less I receive, the less I'm likely to give it to someone else...
l337m45t3r
09-14-2005, 07:01 AM
Their reaction isn't killing you, but your second hand smoke is killing them. Hence you are required to piss off if you're going to smoke that shit. Just be glad that no-one's beaten the crap out of you yet.
Pierrot le Fou
09-14-2005, 08:13 AM
Yes, because smoking a cigarette in a public well-ventilated area is going to kill you. Because naturally you have NO CHOICE but to come within a few inches of me, and ANY exposure to cigarette smoke results in INSTANT DEATH (unless you aren't the smoker).
You're being the exact type of ass that I despise. Come, beat the crap out of me. We'll see how far you get on that.
PopCulturePooka
09-14-2005, 08:28 AM
Their reaction isn't killing you, but your second hand smoke is killing them. Hence you are required to piss off if you're going to smoke that shit. Just be glad that no-one's beaten the crap out of you yet.
Non-smoker here.
Despise it.
Howver, I'm pretty sure studies have shown that smoking in public places doesn't really damage anyone else except the extremely sensitive. And those people shouldn't count, anymore than those extremely allergic to peanuts shouldn't be an impact on people eating peanuts in public.
stillbornsinger
09-14-2005, 01:50 PM
extremely rare smoker here... I'll smoke the occasional cigar if there is something to warent it, or I'm having an especially rough day. If I find a hooka bar I'll indulge in that as well.
Drink far more often, about once every month or two I'll get drunk, but other than that usually have a beer or wine with meals. I drink much less when I'm at home in Japan though... its just kinda hard when I'm forced to have a "liberty buddy" and the only guy I can really stand for that long is a heavy drinker/smoker.
no hard drugs, suppose the harddest being morphene, but that was under medical supervision and for good reason. I did find it quite enjoyable and became a little addicted during my stay, but withdrawl was a mother and I didn't care for that too much.
I'm open minded enough to try things, just am not willing to risk my future because of the harsh policies in my current line of work.
Roxie
09-14-2005, 09:21 PM
I will ask them, "Do you have a problem?" and they will tell me what a 'disgusting habit' it is, or how I am a 'rude smoker' without having done anything but make passive-aggressive overtures towards the habit I was partaking in before they even got there.
You are the one who should offer b/c YOU are the one imposing upon them. It's that simple. You're the one that's going to make their hair and clothes smell like shit for the rest of the day. You're the one that's going to cause their nose to run or make them start coughing. You're the one who's going to irritate their asthma. And all they did was stand at the bus stop.
While I agree, it would be nice if ppl said "hey, do you mind?" It's not going to happen, because they don't really want a negative confrontation. You'd be surprised how nasty most people get about the little things that affect the people surrounding them (try telling some guy on the bus his headphones are too loud).
Respect is a two-way street. And the less I receive, the less I'm likely to give it to someone else...
Nah, it doesn't work like that. If it did, eventually, the whole world would be in total choas. Some one has to stand up and keep being respectful so it all doesn't fall into a shitty situation that fucks up your whole day.
Psychochink
09-14-2005, 11:28 PM
You are the one who should offer b/c YOU are the one imposing upon them. It's that simple. You're the one that's going to make their hair and clothes smell like shit for the rest of the day. You're the one that's going to cause their nose to run or make them start coughing. You're the one who's going to irritate their asthma. And all they did was stand at the bus stop.
Now just hold on a minute. I'm pretty much a non-smoker (when drunk doesn't count) and I don't like the smell. Having said that, we're talking about a scenario where he was already there, they walked up next to him and then started 'complaining' about it. Nobody's forcing them to sit/stand there, and yet he should be "Oh, I'm sorry, let me put out the cigarette I had lit before you got here."
Pierrot le Fou
09-14-2005, 11:47 PM
Even if I am there later, I see no reason to request permission to engage in an entirely legal activity in a public outdoor space with no written or implied prohibitions against that activity.
Should I also be forced to ask permission if I want to loosen my belt? That could make people uncomfortable. How about if I want to scratch my balls? What about picking my nose? What about spraying cologne on myself?
Where do you draw the line? And exactly when did society become this giant group intent on making sure that everyone is 100% comfortable all the time? Why should I have to look out for everyone else's well-being rather than expecting them to take the initiative on something that bothers them? Should I walk through public constantly announcing my intentions? "I am going to buy a coffee which may smell bad to you! Now I am going to throw away my cup into the garbage can which may make any newspaper you may want to dig out of the trash covered in some coffee! I am going to scratch my balls now! I am going to sit down on this bench, but I've been walking in this summer heat so I may smell like ass!"
Or even asking PERMISSION for those things?
Cigarette smokers are demonized. Secondhand smoke is NOT a risk out in an open area EVEN if I blow it directly in your face. Which I don't do. I blow the smoke up, away from people, and yes, it may smell, but it ain't going to kill you, so why is it worse than someone with too much foul-smelling perfume on (nobody is suggesting THEY ask for permission), or someone who has horrid body odor? How about someone who's eating some foul food like Natto (which smells like ass squared)?
Why the fuck should I be required to go out of my way to make people comfortable just because it's a cigarette, when people won't do the same for me?
valentine
09-15-2005, 01:39 AM
Is it too late to sign?
Dae_Dae
09-15-2005, 01:52 AM
I'm a all around virigin. Never smoked, drank, had sex, or did drugs. :D
Katiekoneko
09-15-2005, 01:56 AM
And inside? It's a bar for crissakes -- if you hate cigarette smoking in bars, go to one of the trillions of smoke-free bars, or just drink at home.
I was only saying that before the law
They were allowed, in my town, for a long time to smoke in ALL BARS.
thats what Id hate.
Now I go to the smoke free ones (well..I guess they all are smoke free NOW)
but when it was only afew Id purposely go to the non-smoke ones.
I also dont drink...so I went to bars to Dance and listen to music.
But I know you were singling me out or anything..so Im not trying to say/do that to you.
I just felt like replying..
Pierrot le Fou
09-15-2005, 03:24 AM
Yeah, but that's the thing. Prior to the law, you had a choice, and I had a choice. Now neither of us have choices. And that blows.
PopCulturePooka
09-15-2005, 04:41 AM
While I think smokers get a bum deal these days in terms of anti-amoking restrictions, I will say that I did hate how much smoking was condoned in Japan.
McDonalds restaurants with smoking. A whole room where smoking is ok, the non-smoking section being one corner of the room. Thats not fun at all. The whole place stunk. I walked out of a few McDonalds, Loteria's, Mos Burgers etc because of their set ups.
Katiekoneko
09-15-2005, 04:41 AM
Well actually..it was durring the law that I had the choice..
while it was being passed was the only time there was BOTH non and smoking
because they wanted ppl to get used to it
The ppl at the bars here put out heaters for smokers when its cold
akitaka
09-15-2005, 05:07 AM
Even if I am there later, I see no reason to request permission to engage in an entirely legal activity in a public outdoor space with no written or implied prohibitions against that activity.
I see your point, and would support it if not for different contexts being involved. If we're both at a bus-stop and you light one up out of a whim, though I won't make any gestures, it would get a simliar feeling of someone spitting on the ground. It's a habit, it does no harm, but in a sort of etiquette, it comes off as a little rude.
Now if we're at a bar, outside of a venue, restaurant, on the sidewalk, etc., then there's no reason to feel any form of annoyance; I can simply move, or if it's a smoke-sanctioned area (as some restaurants disregard tobacco smoke's smell) I just mind my own business, as it's one of fewer areas that a guy can smoke without being hassled by some nut from "Truth" or such.
Why the fuck should I be required to go out of my way to make people comfortable just because it's a cigarette, when people won't do the same for me?
It's easy to ask someone why they should be kind enough to offer a seat, when it means you having to stand while commuting in a train. It's simple altruism. Some people give it, some don't. To you, it's "a cigarette", but to others it could mean bad rap for whatever reason. Heck, for all we know, some people could have quit. If all it takes to avoid a hassle is to put one away for a few extra minutes, than so be it. In the end, as stated, it's all in context.
Pierrot le Fou
09-15-2005, 05:08 AM
Errr, okay, but I know that in every single major metropolitan area in the US prior to the bans there were plenty of non-smoking establishments. If there weren't any in Canada, you either didn't know of them, or non-smokers weren't as good for business as smokers were, even if all non-smokers WOULD go to their bars.
Smokers are good for liquor sales. You're a non-drinker who comes to dance. Not so good for business.
CuPoNoOdLe
09-15-2005, 06:41 AM
/me SIGN!!
spaik
09-15-2005, 07:06 AM
people dont seem to stigmatize any other drug as much as nicotine, and the associated smoking that goes with it. loud and obnoxious drunks are always a problem and a health risk, but does everyone hassle strangers over their consumption (and overconsumption) of alcohol in a legal venue? smoking is just the new stigma to shitkick, so that's how it goes. in canada its getting pretty crazy. cigarette companies have been forcefully removed from sponsoring non-tobacco related events such as the Indy and Vancouver's fireworks festival. i mean, come on. you want to tackle the health risk involved? get more free clinics out there to help people quit.
im sorry but theres a lot of shit that i get for being a smoker, and i dont even smoke indoors, ever. but when someone gives me shit while im outside a restaurant in the rain alone, smoking, and these bitches complain about the smoke because they have to WALK BY ME for a few seconds to get inside, im not about to be sympathetic to their desires.
etiquette? its etiquette to not make me want to fucking puke on my shoes, but i see fat chicks wearing sweatstained tubetops and people with negative pressure between their ears screaming in their cellphones on the bus about their last fucking party and who they made out with.
p.s. marijuana fucks up your lungs. breathing in hot smoke with particulate ash and other nasty byproducts from burning something, such as carbon monoxide, isn't good for you, period. its a matter of volume, not potency. someone who smokes a gram daily is gonna have a better chance of respiratory disease than someone who smokes a pack of cigs a week.
PopCulturePooka
09-15-2005, 09:59 AM
As my father has always said.
You never hear a new story about a guy going home and beating the shit out of his wife and kids after having 15 smokes too many.
Sock Full of Boiled Dimes
09-15-2005, 10:13 AM
Yeah, I smoked pot before.
I'm not proud of myself, but I did it. I never wanted to do it before and thought of course to stay away from that crap.
Then of course someone offers me some during a time where I am really bummed out (I don't want to say "depressed") over a little incident with a girl. So thinking "Ah I don't care anymore" I puffed away.
I also started to freak out.
I don't like how pot makes you feel. Some people talk about "Ohhhh maaaann being high is awesome."
No...being high just shows how much of an idiot you look to people who aren't.
Cheapo
09-15-2005, 12:35 PM
proud supporter of not smoking and drug trafficking....
Roxie
09-15-2005, 01:58 PM
Even if I am there later, I see no reason to request permission to engage in an entirely legal activity in a public outdoor space with no written or implied prohibitions against that activity.
Why the fuck should I be required to go out of my way to make people comfortable just because it's a cigarette, when people won't do the same for me?
Woah, woah. Hold on. Back up and back off.
NO one was saying that you HAVE to ask "permission" or that you should, but since that's what you were talking about, if you're thinking about how it might affect the other person, I think it is YOU who should ask, not them. Simply b/c you're the one doing the thing that's going to affect everyone else.
People won't do the same what for you? Light up for you? I don't see how it's "going out of your way" since you weren't born smoking and they were born breathing.
I wouldn't ask you to put it out either, seeing how angry you are about the subject you make it seem like you'd sooner bite someone's head off.
Now just hold on a minute. I'm pretty much a non-smoker (when drunk doesn't count) and I don't like the smell. Having said that, we're talking about a scenario where he was already there, they walked up next to him and then started 'complaining' about it. Nobody's forcing them to sit/stand there, and yet he should be "Oh, I'm sorry, let me put out the cigarette I had lit before you got here."
I was talking about a scenario where he and another person are standing there or sitting there for whatever reason and he decides to light up. I used the example of the bus stop, b/c you don't want to move too far away from that.
If it was already lit, well then the non-smoker is out of luck. Pure & simple.
Klilynkun
04-28-2006, 10:48 AM
I tried to smoke once.... i couldn't light the cigarette lol.
I guess you have to have some sort of finesse. I nearly burned the cigarette to bits trying to light it and then I couldn't figure out how to take a puff lol
Never smoked or used drugs but alcohol on the other hand...
gentlemanandscholar
04-28-2006, 04:03 PM
Because we all know doing any form of drugs kill you instantly! OR they lead you to a sordid life of crime! OOoooOO. Let's all pat each other on the backs for demonizing fairly harmless things. Yeah they're bad for your health, but guess what:
Obesity is more of a problem than smoking in America, and the rate of it is actually increasing (1 in 4 people are now obese)? How about a thread where you sign if you aren't a fat ass and eat healthily? You know if you eat lots of cheese burgers and merely exist you're pumping in almost as much carcinogens in your body as a cigarette contains? That is, unless you eat only vegetables that are uncooked, and drink only water.
and for the record: No I don't do drugs or smoke. However I have no extreme problems with them.
Lady Chris
04-28-2006, 04:34 PM
Now I didn't read everyone’s post but I don't think they are saying that if you do drugs then your going to die tomorrow (unless they overdose) but that doesn't mean doing drugs are good for you either. And a lot of drug abuse/crime go hand in hand. Now I don't have a problem with people smoking since they obviously know the risks and surely don't me criticizing them but I can only stand being around smokers for a certain period of time before I need to get some from air. But I wouldn’t date anyone that did drugs or smoked either. And plenty of my friends smoke although none of them do drugs.
I don't smoke or do drugs either so you can consider me signed in ;)
Holy thread revival Batman!
Lady Chris
04-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Hey, This thread was long revived before I touched it so don't blame me ;)
DID I blame you? :innocent:
Orclover
04-28-2006, 04:46 PM
/unsigned and laughing.
Done just about everything short of needles and crack, Aint exactly proud of it, but sure as hell aint ashamed of it. Havent smoked a ciggerette in 6 years, I would have quit earlier but all those assholes who dont smoke and are rude to smokers made me want to smoke even more.
King Kong
04-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Without weed, there would be no Jamaicans, so Im all for the drugs.
I listen to Bob Marley for gods sake.
Idlethought
04-28-2006, 04:52 PM
I have no problem with people smoking cigarettes as long as you don't do it excessively around me I can tolerate it. If you respectfully leave when I'm around or pretty much just go outside to smoke, I won't say a word to you. I tried A cigarette once and the shit just wasnt for me. Was horrible actually. As far as other "drugs" goes I suppose alcohol is a drug and that's fun when friends are around so screw your signage thing.
*spits on the paper*
/unsigned and laughing.
Done just about everything short of needles and crack, Aint exactly proud of it, but sure as hell aint ashamed of it. Havent smoked a ciggerette in 6 years, I would have quit earlier but all those assholes who dont smoke and are rude to smokers made me want to smoke even more.
Nice.
High five.
pangloss
04-28-2006, 05:23 PM
...never smoked cigarettes, never tried unprescribed/illegal drugs
I tried cigarettes once. They weren't horrible and they didn't make me start spluttering all over the place (there goes THAT theory ;)), but I didn't feel the urge to keep doing it. I just thought "meh, this isn't worth it" and put the cigs away.
King Kong
04-28-2006, 05:35 PM
They weren't horrible and they didn't make me start spluttering all over the place (there goes THAT theory ;))
Of course, everyone is different ;)
I don't like cigarettes, they seem pretty pointless for what they do.
I haven't got anything against people who smoke them but I doubt I'd ever date someone who smoked. The smell is just... :x
Cool Bones
04-28-2006, 05:39 PM
I never did any drugs (If you don't count cofee, aspirins and alcohol)
Smokers piss me off
I don't mind if they were smoking before I came but if they light up a smoke near me I start to groan, moan and cough until they leave
If I'm with a friend or more it's ten times worse lol We don't care if it's a grandmother or a kid trying to be cool, we won't tolerate it :karate:
Orclover
04-28-2006, 05:42 PM
Of course, everyone is different ;)
Judging by some peoples reactions I am guessing they lit both ends of the ciggerette, opened thier mouth wide, and flicked the thing down thier throat whole. Hell I smoked for 13 years and never coughed like some people would around me.
Alcohol can be a horrible first time experience for some people too....if they try chugging 90 proof el-cheapo generic liquer like it was water or try pouring it in thier eyes.
Mastiker
04-28-2006, 05:45 PM
drugs and cigarettes? never done 'em. why?
because they're bad for your health? hell no, i do things that are bad for my health all the time, like eating, and not sleeping. i'm not concerned about my body.
because they're illegal? of course not. i'm not exactly a demon-child, but i'm no stranger to doin illegal shit. drugs would seem like an act of sainthood compared to some stuff i've done.
because my parents might yell at me? not really. i mean, i'm not afraid of them, and they definitely would rant, but i'm not too concerned about that either.
because it screwed up my family's life? nah. i really don't care about past experiences with my family.
because i don't have the money for it? no, no... that's not it. i'm already doing something illegal, so might as well steal 'em if i'm gonna go as far to do 'em.
oh! i know why! because doing drugs is a stupid conformist act, that only mindless slugs do when they're completely bored because they either thinks it makes them look cool or that they're attempting in some sort of act of rebellion! that's it! sheesh, i can't believe i forgot about that :frypan: bad me, i should stop drinking all those imaginary vodka bottles that i say i drink to look cool over the internet to people who have never met me, and most likely, never will.
Smokers give me the right shits. Most of them are ignorant snots who light up anywhere they like and then say "it's legal, fuck off".
Ayup. Sure. Keep going. I'll just sue the pants off you when I get lung cancer from your smoke, retard.
Seriously though, if I walk into a guy's space and then he starts smoking, I'll find a different space, because he was already there. But if a guy comes and sits next to me and starts smoking, I'll ask him to leave. The general scenario when he point blank refuses is I remove the cig from his mouth, snap it, and stand on it. If he gets narky I just say hey, you came into my space and started smoking and refused to stop when I politely asked you. Fuck off and smoke elsewhere.
I have a right to not having my space any more polluted than it already is.
Orclover
04-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Stop! Stop! all these threats of violence are making me want to start smoking again!
I like lose a tiny bit of my soul everytime I see a really hot girl smoke, its really freaking sad.
Nights_into_dreams
04-28-2006, 05:59 PM
Due to both my genetic background and to how I am, I have a -very- addictive personality.
I don't touch anything as a result. And yes, that even extends to caffiene more often than not.
Stop! Stop! all these threats of violence are making me want to start smoking again!
Go ahead. Won't change my life. ;)
MoosecatcherPrime
04-28-2006, 06:18 PM
Alcohol...yes. No cigarrets ever or anything. I've been offered acid, and I was GREATLY tempted, but I decided at last minute not to.
Should've accepted. Those opportunities don't come along every day.
CheLives
04-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Acids kind of one of those things thats a gamble. If it's bad you can go permantly insane, but if not it can be one of your best experiences ever. Bad trips suck though.
Acids kind of one of those things thats a gamble. If it's bad you can go permantly insane, but if not it can be one of your best experiences ever. Bad trips suck though.
I've had some bad trips on it. Once I woke up tied to a tree near my town's river, because my mates said I was running around madly, screaming and tearing at my clothes.
I don't remember what that was all about.
Obviously I've only had it a couple of times because of rural [un]availability, but still... don't enter into it lightly. :fever:
Orclover
04-28-2006, 07:16 PM
I've had some bad trips on it. Once I woke up tied to a tree near my town's river, because my mates said I was running around madly, screaming and tearing at my clothes.
I don't remember what that was all about.
Obviously I've only had it a couple of times because of rural [un]availability, but still... don't enter into it lightly. :fever:
Agreed. Acid, X, Shrooms. None of these should be taken lightly, I believe a responsible group can handle the situations that come up with these but to ignore the dangers that can come from them is to invite serrious disaster. That being said the closest thing I have ever had to a bad trip is driving from west of Llano to Austin at 30mph for several hours because we were paranoid about being pulled over by the cops. Shrooms turned a 2 hour comfortable road trip into a 8 hour paranoia fest. :cop: :duh:
Snake eyeS
04-28-2006, 07:17 PM
The ones that signed and are planning on never doing any form of drugs (alcohol, cigarettes) are closeminded and should really try and peek out their of their little shell that has been protecting them their whole lives, theres a huge world to explore.. it would be silly to keep yourself from experiencing all(most) of it.
lol @ the OP
Agreed. Acid, X, Shrooms. None of these should be taken lightly, I believe a responsible group can handle the situations that come up with these but to ignore the dangers that can come from them is to invite serrious disaster. That being said the closest thing I have ever had to a bad trip is driving from west of Llano to Austin at 30mph for several hours because we were paranoid about being pulled over by the cops. Shrooms turned a 2 hour comfortable road trip into a 8 hour paranoia fest. :cop: :duh:
Austin? You either mean the capital of Texas or the small town in Nevada. (Yeah, I like to practice my geog on people. Deal with it. :()
I like how we're chatting about being responsible with DRUGS. :rofl:
King Kong
04-28-2006, 07:33 PM
The ones that signed and are planning on never doing any form of drugs (alcohol, cigarettes) are closeminded and should really try and peek out their of their little shell that has been protecting them their whole lives, theres a huge world to explore.. it would be silly to keep yourself from experiencing all(most) of it.
The world doesn't change when you take drugs, what actually happens is that it plays around with your brain chemistry. Therefore you see alot of weird things that you otherwise wouldn't see in real life, like multicoloured phalluses that speak to you in fluent french. None of it is real. Trust me on this.
I ate some weed once.... Not a lot. Maybe 2 or 3 ounces. The cops were about to pull us over and they just handed it back and said "eat!"
Aside from that small incident, (I didnt even get sick/high or anything) I have never done drugs or smoked cigarettes.
So... Partial Signature!
gyoza
04-28-2006, 07:42 PM
I drink once in a while. Never had drugs or cigs. I particularly hate cigarettes because they're the only ones that affect me. If you want to do drugs, whatever makes you happy. But if you blow smoke in my face I'll pretty much do what Jay does.
Yachiru
04-28-2006, 07:53 PM
I drink rarely. I tried smoking when is was 11. But I dont smoke now. Never tried any other drugs.
CheLives
04-28-2006, 08:17 PM
I've had some bad trips on it. Once I woke up tied to a tree near my town's river, because my mates said I was running around madly, screaming and tearing at my clothes.
I don't remember what that was all about.
Obviously I've only had it a couple of times because of rural [un]availability, but still... don't enter into it lightly. :fever:
The last bad trip I had was off a 700 mic hit and I woke up in a dumpster with a bag filled with jelly beans.
HAHAHAHA! That's awesome.
SDSUMarcus01
04-28-2006, 09:29 PM
Me.
I also only had alcohol once... when I was 16.
El_CJ
04-28-2006, 09:42 PM
I never tried Drugs or Cigarettes for quite a few reasons.
I hate the smell of tobacco and cigarettes.
I fucked my lungs when I was little. I really loved the smell of car exhaust... no further explanation of the cause needed. And now a tiny bit of any kind of smoke will send me into a 5 minute choking fit.
I don't like to take pills more than I have to, because I gag really easy.
I'm absolutely petrified of needles.
And snorting a line of cocaine off of a hooker's ass, while fun-sounding, is just too expensive.
I don't drink either, but that's because I turn evil (Angry, quiet) when drunk.
I can't sign and i don't want to...
Alcohol is fun within reason of course, plus the odd spliff here n there :D
I respect those who are adamant about never touching alcohol or any kind of drug, but that just isn't me. What I really don't like though, is non drinkers who rub it in others faces 'I don't need alcohol to have a good time' and the like as if this makes them a superior being, well i dont need drugs/alcohol to enjoy myself either but it sure enhances that already good time *cue flood of drunken youthful memories* =)
Class A drugs have always been a no-no to me though, I don't like the thought of a drug controlling my entire life through addiction, one night is fine enough.
Hatsumomo
04-28-2006, 11:27 PM
I drink very little alcohol straight up. It doesn't taste good to me. Now, I do like mixed drinks (like frozen peach margaritas). I still don't drink a lot because though it sounds silly, I'm afraid of becoming drunk. Call it classical conditioning by proxy from my alcoholic parents.
Drugs, nope. The opportunity never presented itself and I don't think I will take it if it does now.
Smoking, nope. I take after my mother with the allergy to smoke and the asthma. Me smoking would just be stupid.
mawande
04-28-2006, 11:36 PM
I've tried cigarettes, but never drugs, and I don't drink.
I've never tried cigarettes, nor alchohol... but as a young teen I sampled marijuana and dropped acid once (NOT AT THE SAME TIME). They weren't horrid experiences, but made me so uneasy I've never done either again.
chad mullet
04-29-2006, 01:54 AM
Seriously though, if I walk into a guy's space and then he starts smoking, I'll find a different space, because he was already there. But if a guy comes and sits next to me and starts smoking, I'll ask him to leave. The general scenario when he point blank refuses is I remove the cig from his mouth, snap it, and stand on it. If he gets narky I just say hey, you came into my space and started smoking and refused to stop when I politely asked you. Fuck off and smoke elsewhere.
I have a right to not having my space any more polluted than it already is.
I don't believe you really do what you say above.Or do you only do this to people much smaller and older than yourself?
If you tried it here in Scotland you would surely get your cunt kicked in - and very possibly bladed too.
Pookie42
04-29-2006, 02:41 AM
signed. unless u count the red wine i've had at family events?
Pierrot le Fou
04-29-2006, 04:37 AM
Acids kind of one of those things thats a gamble. If it's bad you can go permantly insane, but if not it can be one of your best experiences ever. Bad trips suck though.
Bad acid cannot make you go permanently insane. Acid, like marijuana or a bunch of other psychoactives can draw out latent psychological problems you may have. Someone, for instance, with latent schizophrenia could become actively schizophrenic from acid, or E, or even pot.
Point: If you have a family history of mental illness, drugs aren't likely a good idea. However, if you don't have any latent problems, drugs can't make you insane in 1 go.
CheLives
04-29-2006, 05:42 AM
I ment that figuratively. Like lets say you have a really bad trip and you're alittle fucked in the mind for acouple days.
*signs on* And I plan to keep it that way, with the possible exception of responsible drinking later on.
October in Hell
04-29-2006, 06:21 AM
Signed. I'm 22 and never tried any of that stuff, especially ciggs. Three of my relatives have died from lung cancer, so nothing can convince me of smoking.
Pierrot le Fou
04-29-2006, 06:53 AM
I ment that figuratively. Like lets say you have a really bad trip and you're alittle fucked in the mind for acouple days.
So when you said 'permanently insane' you actually meant 'a bit out of it for a few days' then?
Bullshit.
BigJDiesel20
04-29-2006, 06:53 AM
I've Never Tried Drugs, Cigarettes, or Alcohol
Beowulf
04-29-2006, 08:53 AM
Like I've said before, I had a rough childhood and I've seen way to many good people totally destroyed by drugs. No way in hell.
And I can't smoke, I'm allergic to tobacco.
Digital Masta
04-29-2006, 09:39 AM
Alcohol: Yes
Ciggarettes: Only when drunk
Drugs: Weed...once
CheLives
04-29-2006, 10:19 AM
So when you said 'permanently insane' you actually meant 'a bit out of it for a few days' then?
Bullshit.
I misspoke. Last time I checked that wasn't a lynching offence just a whipping one.
I don't believe you really do what you say above.Or do you only do this to people much smaller and older than yourself?
If you tried it here in Scotland you would surely get your cunt kicked in - and very possibly bladed too.
You can believe exactly what you like. I have no problem whatsoever getting physical if people that invade my space and start smoking refuse to stop.
Bladed? Doesn't bother me. Had worse threats.
KelliShaver
04-29-2006, 03:35 PM
never smoked, never done drugs, don't drink.
Well, aren't YOU a bundle of fun.
ShadowDeth
04-29-2006, 04:18 PM
Point of this thread being?
You'd have to ask the OP, mate.
PopCulturePooka
04-29-2006, 09:46 PM
You can believe exactly what you like. I have no problem whatsoever getting physical if people that invade my space and start smoking refuse to stop.
Bladed? Doesn't bother me. Had worse threats.
You know by Australian criminal law what you 'supposedly' do (I also call bullshit) is classed as assault?
I do know that. I tell people that if someone tries to hold me up in my house and steal something, and I use force against them, they can successfully sue me. They either don't believe me or thier jaw drops so far it his the ground.
And why would you have trouble believing I would use necessary force if a smoker came into my space and refused to stop smoking? That baffles me.
PopCulturePooka
04-29-2006, 09:56 PM
I do know that. I tell people that if someone tries to hold me up in my house and steal something, and I use force against them, they can successfully sue me. They either don't believe me or thier jaw drops so far it his the ground.Thats actually a misreresentation of facts. You can use a REASONABLE force to protect yourself. Most people get unreasonable.
Assault (In Australia) = any act that causes the victim to believe their is a reasonable danger to their wellbeing.
Battery = Following through.
EG. I'm a fuck up your face with this ball hammer. (Assault)
*beats you* (Battery)
And why would you have trouble believing I would use necessary force if a smoker came into my space and refused to stop smoking? That baffles me.
A) You'd be acting like a dumb cunt in public... oh.
B) It comes across as an online boast that is designed to make you look tough to the easily impressed but can't be proven, plus its an absolute generic story that people say.
C) In public you dont have a 'space'. It's also why you are allowed to be photographed in public
D) Thats not necessary force.
E) It's hard believing anything you say.
I'm going to focus on the second bit just because I have nothing to say to the first.
A) yeah. No problem there.
B) I haven't boasted a single bit yet. All I've said is that if a smoker comes along and lights up net to me, then refuses to stop when I ask them to, I'll use what force I need to, be it demanding they leave, removing their ciagrette and crushing it, or guiding them away from my area. I haven't said I will resort to violence or anything. How are you percieving this as a boast?
C)In public, I DO have a space. Anyone who comes within for example a metre of me and starts yelling at me is in 'my space'.
D) Sure it is, you just have to use your imagination! (First reply that came to my head, since I have no idea what this point is about.)
E) I don't care if you believe me or not. My life doesn't hinge on you believing that I even leave this house.
F) I'm not necessarily talking about public ie out on the street, either. I'm talking about inside buildings; when you're sitting on a bench with someone; whatever.
G) I'm done arguing. Goodnight. :)
chad mullet
04-30-2006, 01:15 AM
You can believe exactly what you like. I have no problem whatsoever getting physical if people that invade my space and start smoking refuse to stop.
Bladed? Doesn't bother me. Had worse threats.
But Jay, you are asking us to believe that the smoker whose cigarette you grab and crush, just sits there and lets you do it without consequences!!
Come ON! Do you think we are fucking daft??
OK you'll get away with it with some people I suppose - the old, the weak, the timid, maybe the element of surprise that anyone could be such a twat would be a factor - but, unless you are physically very intimidating and extremely selective about who you assault, then inevitably you are going to get a severe drubbing on a regular basis. Or a cigarette stubbed out on your eyeball.
You are just saying what you would LIKE to do when some one gets the fags out next to you - if you only had the nerve.
Pierrot le Fou
04-30-2006, 02:58 AM
I found this news article on the 'Reuters, Oddly Enough' portion of my google homepage -- it may have relevance:
PERTH (Reuters) - Smokers beware. In addition to the health risks proven to be caused by cigarettes, there seems to be a new downside to smoking in Western Australia. In recent weeks, it seems that a man has been taking up the anti-smoking cause by labelling himself the 'No Smoking Vigilante' and standing up for the rights of people averse to cigarette smoke.
One man, 85 year-old Marvin Hackleshanks, was smoking a cigarette on a street corner when a mysterious man on a moped drove up and snapped his cigarette in half, gave him a verbal lashing, and putted off on the moped. "I was absolutely terrified," Marvin said of the experience, "I don't understand why he would do it. I'm 85. I'm going to die soon. Can't an old man get some peace here?"
The reports have been coming in around the city from those who have been assaulted in pursuit of their filthy habit. Nobody knows who this vigilante is yet, but some people are aching to find out. "Just wait 'til he tries that s**t on me," says Dr. Cornelius Pooka, PhD. "Sure it works on 85 year-old men, but I'll show him how vigilanteism REALLY works."
© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
Mysticalmelody
04-30-2006, 04:14 AM
-sign.
I actually meant it at red-ribbon week, so ha!
CheLives
04-30-2006, 08:26 AM
Damn, I mean yelling at them sure what ever floats your boat. But damn he broke it too; That couldn't work in Atlanta you'll probably get shot.
Admiral Luis
04-30-2006, 10:18 AM
alchool - always
cigarettes - yes often
drugs - I'm too poor :(
Rapter
04-30-2006, 10:39 AM
im with jay, if i signed, i would be lying.
heres an intresting article on cannabis:
http://www.experienceamsterdam.com/DRUGINFO-Cannabis.html
Cigarrettes make my head hurt. Cigars are fine, though.
I'll do most drugs whenever I have the opportunity, mostly because I cant think of a reason not to.
But Jay, you are asking us to believe that the smoker whose cigarette you grab and crush, just sits there and lets you do it without consequences!!
Come ON! Do you think we are fucking daft??
OK you'll get away with it with some people I suppose - the old, the weak, the timid, maybe the element of surprise that anyone could be such a twat would be a factor - but, unless you are physically very intimidating and extremely selective about who you assault, then inevitably you are going to get a severe drubbing on a regular basis. Or a cigarette stubbed out on your eyeball.
You are just saying what you would LIKE to do when some one gets the fags out next to you - if you only had the nerve.
You're a twit. An absolute twit. Do you know that?
Granted, I didn't SAY that I expect people to sit there and look at me like they're stupid while I crush their cigarette in front of their face, but I also didn't say that I think they would, either. You've made that connection all by your little lonesome, sonny boy.
I'm fully aware that people don't like it when I do something along the lines of demand they stop smoking. But I'm not going to sit there idly while someone comes and sits next to me and lights up.
It's called assertiveness. Work it out.
Now, I'm tired of arguing. You all may think I'll be a wussy little baby and not take action when someone pollutes my air more than it already is, but that's your call. I don't really care.
if you only had the nerve.
Wow, you have a detailed profile on the courage of an internet user from Australia you've never met. That's cute. :)
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 12:31 PM
I find it ironic that you solve the problem of people getting in 'your space' by encroaching on their rights to smoke. Don't like it? Don't be there. It's nots the smokers responsibility to stop their actiosn because you have an issue with, no matter how much a bully you try and make yourself out to be.
The only exception is if they are doing it in a place you own or control. Otherwise you are the offender, the bully, the shit head and ultimately the weak one.
Now, if you recall, I originally said "if someone comes and stands next to me and starts smoking, I'll take issue with it". I didn't say anything about bullying them. I just don't like it when people come right up close to me (ie the same room or the same park bench, for example) and start fucking up the air that I have to breathe.
They have every right to smoke. I have every right to have clean air. I'm sure this debate has been raging ever since the first cigarettes ever went on sale, and we're still at a no-win situation.
Let's just leave it at that and get on with life, huh?
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 12:45 PM
If the person has bad breath would you break their Jaw?
If they have a bad smelling sandwich would you smash it up?
If they sit next to you with a baby with a messy nappy would you rip the baby of them and smash it up?
Or does only one offensive odour allow bullying, because thats what your actions are, bullying by virtue of your large girth.
Why am I trying to justify myself to you? If it's really badly offensive breath that makes me feel sick, I'll politely ask them to turn the other way, otherwise it doesn't affect me. I don't have to breathe ammonia and nicotine with bad smelling sandwiches. Babies with messy nappies don't affect me, considering I've already changed my fair share of them on various cousins.
Jesus.
CheLives
04-30-2006, 12:58 PM
I have hit someone over bad breath though. In my defense he was drunk and annoying the piss out of me.
See, If you're a smoker and you are at another person's house go outside or in another room. I mean that's just common manners man.
Now in my own house I'll do whatever I fucking like and if you are next to me move. Especially since if you ask I'll go outside or turn on my massive air filter.
Now in my own house I'll do whatever I fucking like and if you are next to me move. Especially since if you ask I'll go outside or turn on my massive air filter.
See in that case it's your house and your rules. But if someone comes along and invades my air with TOXIC SMOKE that I'd otherwise be forced to BREATHE if I put up with it, I have NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER making them go somewhere else and smoke.
Let's leave it at that. I don't feel like justifying myself anymore.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:04 PM
And in public? Eg at a smoking permitted bar or a park bench?
Thee problem is Jay tries to justify thuggery on people that get in 'his space', regardless of the idea that in certain situation there is not much concept of 'my space' until a person invades violently.
If the place is somewhere where smoking is permitted, just have to deal with a decision someone else makes. Not use un-necessary force, theft, assault and bully boy tactics like a particular story teller here.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:05 PM
See in that case it's your house and your rules. But if someone comes along and invades my air with TOXIC SMOKE that I'd otherwise be forced to BREATHE if I put up with it, I have NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER making them go somewhere else and smoke.
Let's leave it at that. I don't feel like justifying myself anymore.And if its not your house or theirs, but a shared space, eg a bar, a park, a bus stop and they refuse to move on or refuse to put out, what do you?
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:05 PM
See in that case it's your house and your rules. But if someone comes along and invades my air with TOXIC SMOKE that I'd otherwise be forced to BREATHE if I put up with it, I have NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER making them go somewhere else and smoke.
Let's leave it at that. I don't feel like justifying myself anymore.
I wasn't saying other's mate. I was just syaing how I feel about it. It's rude for people to smoke in none designated areas. But they shouldn't get ride of them ether just move them farther.
I'm not going to be dragged into a fight. You've told me that you think I'm being a bully: I don't care. I'm not going to have my air forcibly filled with toxins that eat my lungs. It's as simple as that. If you think I'm being a bully, I don't really give half a fart.
Oh, and Che, that post was directed at Pooka, not you. I should've made that more clear. I'm sorry.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 01:18 PM
As much as you have a right to smoke, others have a right to confront you about it.
Exactly my point, pangloss.
I'm willing to concede that I may have sounded a bit braggish or boastful about it, and for that I'll try harder next time to just deliver the facts, straight and simple: "I have no problem confronting people about their smoking".
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:21 PM
As much as you have a right to smoke, others have a right to confront you about it.
But not by invading YOUR space by taking your property or forcibly making you stop.
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:21 PM
Look I'm a polite smoker but I have the right to do what ever I want with my body if you don't like it go away. If I want to shoot up herion I'm going to do it doesn't mean I will but If I want to I will.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 01:26 PM
But not by invading YOUR space by taking your property or forcibly making you stop.
yes, if the smoker is also invading YOUR space.
it is fair game.
Look I'm a polite smoker but I have the right to do what ever I want with my body if you don't like it go away. If I want to shoot up herion I'm going to do it doesn't mean I will but If I want to I will.
See, now we have two people wanting the exact opposite at the same position.
You want to smoke right there and now, and I respect that it's your body and you can do what you like to it. But smokers should also respect that I don't want to breathe their poisonous fumes and assorted chemicals into my lungs.
Like I said, it's a no-win situation.
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:30 PM
See, now we have two people wanting the exact opposite at the same position.
You want to smoke right there and now, and I respect that it's your body and you can do what you like to it. But smokers should also respect that I don't want to breathe their poisonous fumes and assorted chemicals into my lungs.
Like I said, it's a no-win situation.
Nah there's a compromise. Do it away from non-smokers in designated spaces 200-500 feet away from non-smokers and don't smoke around fucking kids.
See, I'm cool with THAT, mate. Thank you.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:31 PM
yes, if the smoker is also invading YOUR space.
it is fair game.
In a smoking ok place, thats the proviso given to people who enter.
'People may be smoking here, accept it'.
That includes public places where smoking isn't expressely forbidden, eg the street, parks, bus stops.
Its one of the 'contracts' you make by entering the area, that you accept people will smoke, much like you accept that you may be photographed by surveillance cameras.
In such a public area, the smoker is breaking no laws by smoking near you.
As much as you don't like it, a smoker owns the cigarette and has a right to not be intimidated. You don't have a right to take their property (theft) or intimidate them to move if they don't want too (assault here).
You have the right to ask them too stop politely and the right to move on, nothing more. You made the choice to go somewhere where people may be smoking. Onus is on you to avoid it, not on the smoker to avoid you.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Nah there's a compromise. Do it away from non-smokers in designated spaces 200-500 feet away from non-smokers and don't smoke around fucking kids.
If the non-smoker happens to be in an area where smoking is permitted?
Lets make a hypothetical.
I am a smoker (not really, but for this story). I am at a smoking permitted train station and happen to spark up near a rather large individual, named say... DJ? DJ tells me to put my smoke out, but for whatever reason, I don't, or don't fast enough.
Anyway, DJ, being larger than me either tries to physically move me away or tries to physically take my property (being the smoke) from me. Being smaller than the quite large DJ, I fear for my safety in the face of this overtly violent action, and thus use a reasonable force to stop him taking my property/infringing on my rights. In this case I... I dunno sing a bag containing a text book and injure him.
Is it self defence to react this way against someone who made the first violent/threatening act?
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:35 PM
Smoker's have rights. But we are making a choice to polute are bodies and the effects of second hand smoke is mixed on both ends and it's rude to smoke around non-smokers. So because it's our choice we have to abide by the majority of non-smokers.
So fuck if they're happy or not with it; It's the best solution.
If the non-smoker happens to be in an area where smoking is permitted?
See, now no one's SAID that yet. For now, forget the designated smoking areas exist. All I've so far said is that I don't appreciate people invading MY area - MY area, I wouldn't even GO into a smoking area, not even if a toilet or a bar was on the other side, I'd walk around because smoking is disgusting to me - and smoking.
MY area, where I am at a given time and roughly the aquare metre around me, would NEVER be anywhere within a designated smoking area. Not now, not ever, because I abhor the smell of smoke.
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:40 PM
What about pot smoke?
pangloss
04-30-2006, 01:41 PM
pooka. you are missing the point.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:42 PM
See, now no one's SAID that yet. For now, forget the designated smoking areas exist. All I've so far said is that I don't appreciate people invading MY area - MY area, I wouldn't even GO into a smoking area, not even if a toilet or a bar was on the other side, I'd walk around because smoking is disgusting to me - and smoking.
MY area, where I am at a given time and roughly the aquare metre around me, would NEVER be anywhere within a designated smoking area. Not now, not ever, because I abhor the smell of smoke.
City Streets?
pooka. you are missing the point.
Whats your point then lad?
That violent acts are justified to stop someone smoking near you?
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:43 PM
He just thinks both sides should have equal rights on this debate. Well they don't; Life isn't fucking fair.
Edit: Man; Pooka now you're just being inane. And he didn't say that he said in his fucking area. That means in his house or right next to him. Just stand three-five feet away from him.
City Streets?
I'm hardly going to be walking along stride-for-stride with a smoker in a city street, am I? And if I am, I can always stop for about literally 2 seconds and he'll already be lost in the crowd.
Stop missing the point. I haven't said that I would be assertive to anything BUT a smoker COMING NEXT TO ME and starting to smoke, have I? City streets are all hustle and bustle, I can turn in another direction and he'll already be gone.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 01:49 PM
City Streets?
Whats your point then lad?
That violent acts are justified to stop someone smoking near you?
If you would stop being a drama queen you would know.
re-read the posts and figure it out.
you are embarrassing yourself.
Radiance
04-30-2006, 01:49 PM
Well, nothing new to me. Though i'll say I don't try much stronger than weed and only weed on a very rare occasion. Mostly because addictions run in the family, so moderation is my best friend. Though as for why I wouldn't try much more, its simply because I know a lot of that can screw up your life badly. Its not cool for someone to call their younger brother, that used to look up to them, to pick you up from rehab. (Especially when they don't have any intention of actually quitting, just trying to cut back. -.-)
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:50 PM
Man we should be happy witht he smoker's rights we have. We aren't paying 12 dollars a pack. Highest I've seen it is 8 in Manhattan. Shit hop the E-train to queens and stock you some up at 5 a pack.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 01:52 PM
Well, nothing new to me. Though i'll say I don't try much stronger than weed and only weed on a very rare occasion. Mostly because addictions run in the family, so moderation is my best friend.
Same here, minus the weed.
I have asthma.
CheLives
04-30-2006, 01:54 PM
Vaporizer my friend.
Radiance
04-30-2006, 01:55 PM
Well, I have a very mild case of it myself, It just prevents me from sports without a pre-exercise inhaler, I try to not let it hold me back as best I can.
That violent acts are justified to stop someone smoking near you?
In some cases? Yes.
I have no problem confronting people about their smoking. I'm more than polite about it the first time. "Excuse me, your smoking is making me feel sick, would you mind moving somewhere else?". If they refuse, it's "come on, you can't just come up and stand next to me and start smoking. Go somewhere else." If they then choose to get physical about smoking in that exact spot, then I'll be happy to defend myself.
I wouldn't start the violence, mate.
Now, let's take the opposite. If I walk up to someone and then 10 minutes later, they start smoking, I'll gladly walk away, because I came into their space, there they were first.
How simple can you get?
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:58 PM
If you would stop being a drama queen you would know.
re-read the posts and figure it out.
you are embarrassing yourself.
Not really.
See, a lot of clubs/pubs (most) in my city still allow for smoking inside. its a fact of life on a night out that I come home smelling like smoke just from osmosis. I've made that decision.
I lived two years in a country where smoking is allowed most anywhere (Japan). Most McDonalds/KFC's are smoking allowed, and the non smoking area is tiny and usually you need to pass through the smoking area to get too. Avoiding smokers is not easy.
Jays original point, which he has since backpeddled on, is that anyone comes in his space (and by omission, that could mean anywhere) gets attitude. That meant by his original telling, a person who sits next to him at the bus stop that lights up is in his space, and thus worthy of getting the attitude. Like I said, I'm fine with going "hey, could you not smoke near me?" politely. But if they don't stop, I'm not ok with taking it further and infringing on their other more fundamental rights (property and safety).
I don't a flying fuck what you do or what your rules are on your property. Anywhere else is not your property and you abide by whats allowed there
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 01:59 PM
Man we should be happy witht he smoker's rights we have. We aren't paying 12 dollars a pack. Highest I've seen it is 8 in Manhattan. Shit hop the E-train to queens and stock you some up at 5 a pack.
Hehe in japan its like... $3 a pack.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 02:03 PM
In some cases? Yes.
I'm pretty sure I've already said something to the same effect as this. I have no problem confronting people about their smoking. I'm more than polite about it the first time. "Excuse me, your smoking is making me feel sick, would you mind moving somewhere else?". If they refuse, it's "come on, you can't just come up and stand next to me and start smoking. Go somewhere else." If they then choose to get physical about smoking in that exact spot, then I'll be happy to defend myself.
I wouldn't start the violence, mate.
Now, let's take the opposite. If I walk up to someone and then 10 minutes later, they start smoking, I'll gladly walk away, because I came into their space, there they were first.
How simple can you get?Thats the rub. Merely refusing to stop smoking/move away from you is not violent. Its rude and inconsiderate, not violent. Phsyically attempting to make them move, trying to steal IS violent. You would be starting the violence, and the law would recognise that. Someone smoking near you is not legal justifcation to get physically aggressive. At all. Believing its ok or justified shows the lack of mental reasoning in your judgement skills.
Its not rocket science.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 02:08 PM
the asthma is going away, but the allergies are a bitch.
pangloss
04-30-2006, 02:13 PM
Not really.
Jays original point, which he has since backpeddled on, is that anyone comes in his space (and by omission, that could mean anywhere) gets attitude. That meant by his original telling, a person who sits next to him at the bus stop that lights up is in his space, and thus worthy of getting the attitude. Like I said, I'm fine with going "hey, could you not smoke near me?" politely. But if they don't stop, I'm not ok with taking it further and infringing on their other more fundamental rights (property and safety).
that was your assumption.
Broad assumptions for the win, huh? :sarcasm:
Thats the rub. Merely refusing to stop smoking/move away from you is not violent. Its rude and inconsiderate, not violent. Phsyically attempting to make them move, trying to steal IS violent. You would be starting the violence, and the law would recognise that. Someone smoking near you is not legal justifcation to get physically aggressive. At all. Believing its ok or justified shows the lack of mental reasoning in your judgement skills.
Its not rocket science.
You are missing the point. The point is, if THEY start wanting to beat on ME because I demand they go smoke somewhere else, I have no problem defending myself.
And, yes, I have gone up to belligerent people and removed their cigarettes and crushed them. What can I say, the movies had a bad influence on me. :D
CheLives
04-30-2006, 02:14 PM
Why should his actions on another fucking continent effect you?
pangloss
04-30-2006, 02:15 PM
Not really.
I don't a flying fuck what you do or what your rules are on your property. Anywhere else is not your property and you abide by whats allowed there
In an ideal world, yes. But in reality not everyone is a law abiding citizen.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 02:21 PM
Why should his actions on another fucking continent effect you?
I live on his continent. Just the good side of it.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 02:21 PM
You are missing the point. The point is, if THEY start wanting to beat on ME because I demand they go smoke somewhere else, I have no problem defending myself.
Well fucking duh. They threw the first punch.
But if all they did was continure smoking...
theunraveler
04-30-2006, 02:28 PM
i have never used drugs before other than those for the occasional illness. i have tried smoking when i was younger but after 2 or 3 puffs i gave it up becoz it was expensive and disgusting aftertaste.
as a whole i feel drug taking and smoking to be habits reserved for the weak of mind who need an easy way out of their percieved "stress". for me, the only way to destress is muay thai boxing and brazilian jiu jitsu. which i feel is a much healthier alternative
CheLives
04-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Well I should have read the location. But still when you have rolls like that as you're avatar people are gunna think you're from America or Amsterdam.
ShadowDeth
04-30-2006, 02:34 PM
Anyways... what happened to the self jackoff session? Way to take this noble thread off topic guys :(
"Me me me! I haven't done drugs, because anyone who does drugs is of poor moral fibre!"
CheLives
04-30-2006, 02:36 PM
Yet you have David Cross as your avatar.
PopCulturePooka
04-30-2006, 02:36 PM
Well I should have read the location. But still when you have rolls like that as you're avatar people are gunna think you're from America or Amsterdam.
Hahaha. Put the three capital letters of my name together.
Google that.
Bingo.
Plus we get that shit over here as well, quite a lot.
Anyways... what happened to the self jackoff session? Way to take this noble thread off topic guys :(
"Me me me! I haven't done drugs, because anyone who does drugs is of poor moral fibre!"
Cigarettes are in the topic title.
Ergo, we're still on topic.
:D
ShadowDeth
04-30-2006, 02:37 PM
Cropped from a picture only a handful of people have. I fail to see what david cross has to do with my obviously genuine display of moral outrage.
ClubCrKz
04-30-2006, 06:34 PM
-Sign
And random letters so the post will let me post...
See, Pei, then you'd be well within your rights to beat thirteen shades of holy old Hell out of those kids.
Langosta
04-30-2006, 06:59 PM
I've done drugs, but nothing that wasn't prescribed or bought over the counter =P. I drink regularly but usually not enough to get drunk. I've never smoked or snorted anything, and only had injections at the hospital. Not because I have something against any of those actions, but because they seem unpleasant.
I'm almost never offended by somebody who does drugs or smokes etc, and the majority of them are like PriestPei and do so in an orderly fashion. I'm far more often shocked by the people who happen to walk by a smoker and have to comment "That'll kill you" or worse examples.
I kind of want to just pass them by on the street and say something to the effect of "Watch your step, you could trip and die."
gentlemanandscholar
04-30-2006, 07:01 PM
Good god Pei, that blows. They're ignorant bastards who have evidently been brainwashed by the commercials like "thetruth.com" who do shit like this: http://www.thetruth.com/index.cfm?Found=TV
EVIL TOXIC SMOKE! Give me a fucking break. If you smoke in moderation, the effects aren't as ridiculous as these people make it out to be. They seem to believe one cigarette gives you cancer. The same with people concerned about second hand smoke.
If someone lights up beside you one day out of ten, fuck all happens to your lungs. You inhale carcinogens already from smog and from cars on the street. Are you going to go and bend the exhaust pipe?
They seem to believe one cigarette gives you cancer.
"They" are right.
Everyone has the cancer gene mate, some people only need one suck of all the shit that's in a cigarette to kick it off, whereas the oldest man alive today took up smoking at the age of 70.
It's all relative, my friend.
gentlemanandscholar
04-30-2006, 07:38 PM
lol...
Cancer is the multiple mutation of a cell, any cell. It takes a lot of mutations and specific ones to give you cancer. Your cells are mutating now from the food you eat, and even from radiation coming from space. Are you scared? I suggest you go tell space to stop giving you radiation or you punch it in the face.
So in summation: One cigarette won't do shit in comparison to all the mutations your body has gone through already.
Fizban
04-30-2006, 08:01 PM
-Sign
Except for the bastard second hand smoke of parents.... CURSE YOU!!!!
Oh damn, I wish, if it wasn't for their crotchety middle-aged soccer mom all full of herself. The bitch of it was that their sodas were bought from our store, so when I walked back in to clean myself up, five minutes later those kids came bouncing in to refill their sodas. I stood in front of the drink fountain, still dripping, and told them in a forced smile and polite voice to get the fuck out of my restaurant (not mine, not a restaurant, but I was already out of it), please. The trick is to say it in a way that doesn't show up obvious on the cameras. So they run out screaming (did I mention how loud they were?) to their mom, but by then I had the phone to my ear and looking at them through the window, so she drove off without coming inside.
I had a friend once (he moved away when I was 17 and he was 21) who was an employee of a hardware store here in town. Some little snots came in and started harrassing him, throwing nails and screws from the self-serve bucket, and other random crap at him. I mean these kids were of the really uncontrolled kind that you see running around my town.
Anyway, these kids threw a big bloody lump of 2x4 at my friend, which he caught and chucked aside. He walked slowly up to the kids, they were all about 10 or 12, and points to the door with a pretty wicked grin on his face and says "Get. The FUCK. Out. Of this store. NOW." in a forced polite voice.
I came in towards the end when the kids were all running out and yelling. I saw the look on his face and chose not to ask any questions. :rofl:
So one of the parents took him to court because her poor widdle baby was threatened. The security cameras clearly showed the kids throwing shit at him, then him slowly walking toward the kids with his hand pointed at the door. Nothing that would really incriminate him for anything aside possible verbal threats, which one of the kids later admitted didn't happen. The judge even made the mothers pay AUD$5,700 between them for damages to the company's reputation. :D
Unfortunately it all went TO the company, so he didn't see a cent of it. Got off scot free though, and we have a good laugh about it today.
chad mullet
05-01-2006, 01:27 AM
You're a twit. An absolute twit. Do you know that?
Granted, I didn't SAY that I expect people to sit there and look at me like they're stupid while I crush their cigarette in front of their face, but I also didn't say that I think they would, either. You've made that connection all by your little lonesome, sonny boy.
I'm fully aware that people don't like it when I do something along the lines of demand they stop smoking. But I'm not going to sit there idly while someone comes and sits next to me and lights up.
It's called assertiveness. Work it out.
Now, I'm tired of arguing. You all may think I'll be a wussy little baby and not take action when someone pollutes my air more than it already is, but that's your call. I don't really care.
Wow, you have a detailed profile on the courage of an internet user from Australia you've never met. That's cute. :)
My my, Jay, I've certainly pulled your chain haven't I ? A twit indeed!
I haven't heard THAT word since my schooldays - made me quite nostalgic!
And you say "you don't really care"? I wonder what you would call me if you did??
A twit most certainly, to even have bothered to reply to your initial nonsense but smart enough at least to know when someone is all mouth and no action.
In a previous post of yours you said you weren't going to argue about this anymore - and yet here you are, going on and on, still talking utter bollocks and still expecting everyone to take it in like soup.
What part of ,"I don't believe you when you say you snatch cigarettes from people in public", do you not understand?
As for my "detailed profile" of your "courage". Any assessment I have made of your character is based on that which you yourself have revealed in your initial post and in your responses to my questioning of your supposed actions when confronted by a cigarette smoker...
1. You have a need to air your "hard man" fantasies on a forum which ipso facto reveals your inadequacy. Assertive people don't have a need to boast about how assertive they are. Tough guys don't have to talk about it in my experience.
2. You are seriously intolerant as is shown by your self proclaimed attitude to those persons indulging in a perfectly legal and heavily taxed activity.
3. You are emotionally still quite immature as is shown by the fact that you cannot bear it when anyone chooses to disbelieve you for perfectly logical reasons based on their own experience and knowledge of the real world.
Your anger and frustration at being thus doubted causes you to resort to namecalling, a common enough trait in children but one which usually they grow out of.
Over to you Jay..
PopCulturePooka
05-01-2006, 01:43 AM
1500 points to Chad Mullet.
Psychochink
05-01-2006, 02:27 AM
Without going into the likelihood or not of Jay's statements being true (or exaggerated) I will also say that, in my experience, it's the unassuming, soft-spoken guy that is more likely to be able to slit your throat and walk away whistling while carefully avoiding getting blood on his shoes. Having said that, however, the other form of hard man is the one that uses anger as a fuel for his violence. I know which one I'm more afraid of, but they're both fully capable of fucking me up. The simple act of talking about your prowess does not automatically make you a weakling, even if it is unlikely you're right on top of the 'scary guy' heap. In fact, in casual social interaction, it's often the talker that you have to keep an eye on, because he's got something to prove.
Also keep in mind that the very nature of the internet means that people disregard their normal social 'yardstick'. Yes, for some this means being more assertive and 'tougher' than they are in real life. For others, it means that they will reveal things that they otherwise wouldn't talk about in conversation. I don't tell people in face-to-face conversation certain aspects of my personality that I have revealed easily here, that doesn't mean they're not true. The same could be the case with Jay.
On the other hand Jay, you also have to concede that whether you'd go as far as to crush their cig is dependant on who they are. If you're trying to claim that you'd do the same to a 140kg guy wearing Fink or Gypsy Joker leathers, then I'll start calling bullshit as well.
[No, I don't like Jay and think that most of the time he is a giant tool. That doesn't necessarily make him a liar, however.]
Oh, and there's nothing wrong with 'intolerance'. people bandy it around like it's somehow automatically a negative trait. I'm intolerant towards alcoholics, who are also indulging in a perfectly legal activity. That doesn't mean I want your addiction impacting on my life, either.
On topic: I drink heavily, smoke occasionally if I am very drunk and somebody offers me one, and while not currently an active drug user, have indulged in a few illicit substances here and there.
Morel
05-01-2006, 02:45 AM
"They" are right.
Everyone has the cancer gene mate, some people only need one suck of all the shit that's in a cigarette to kick it off, whereas the oldest man alive today took up smoking at the age of 70.
It's all relative, my friend.
It's also totally possible that I'll outlive any non smoker by 25 years..
If your gonna get cancer.. Chances are you're gonna get it no matter what you do :).. Granted if you smoke 2 packs every day for 40 years.. ya thats just putting a few more bullets into chamber :)
Mysticalmelody
05-01-2006, 02:56 AM
Not to encourage anyone to smoke, and not that this is normal but my great great grandma has smoked for decades and still smokes to this day. She's in her nineties. I think she's a freak of nature. She's not healthy at all of course and she coughs all the time, very deep raspy voice. Crazy lady.... nobody wants to end up like her, she's miserable.
Cancer is the multiple mutation of a cell, any cell. It takes a lot of mutations and specific ones to give you cancer. Your cells are mutating now from the food you eat, and even from radiation coming from space. Are you scared? I suggest you go tell space to stop giving you radiation or you punch it in the face.
So in summation: One cigarette won't do shit in comparison to all the mutations your body has gone through already.
What specifically has to mutate is the DNA sequence that gives instructions on how and when to divide. When a cell starts dividing out of control (or doesn't do it properly), then you have a problem.
But you're right, smoking one cigarette won't give you cancer. On the other hand it will screw up a lot of the hemoglobin in your red blood cells (lowers stamina and it takes time to replace all that hemoglobin) and give your lungs a little bit of tar and crud to get rid of.
Pierrot le Fou
05-01-2006, 04:31 AM
One of the most energetic 80 year-old men I've known was a hardcore smoker. He came to my coffee shop every morning at 3-4am, and would help me do my job for a small cup of coffee, because he had a job when working that had him up at that time every day, and couldn't break the habit. Conversely, the donut guy who worked at the same place was a 50 year-old heavy smoker who had two heart attacks within 3 years despite being thin as a rail because of stress and the added high blood pressure from smoking.
I'm a smoker. I'm an unapologetic smoker. That doesn't mean I'm rude, but it does mean that I'm not about to apologize for indulging in the habit. Smoking, like drinking, eating crappy foods, drinking cola by the gallon, or having unprotected sex with the vast multitudes of women found in bars, is a bad habit, to be certain. But it's my bad habit, and I enjoy it, so just as I won't tell you to quit drinking for the sake of your liver, don't tell me to quit smoking for the sake of my lungs.
As far as second-hand smoke is concerned, if it bugs you that much, fuck off to Ireland or California, where non-smokers rule the day. Then you can be content without having to deal with smoking.
I have never had anyone snap a cigarette out of my mouth because I was smoking in their space. If I did, I'd likely just light up another one, and make properly sure to blow the smoke directly in the face of the person with no respect for my personal property. Yes, it's a shitty thing to do, but an eye for an eye keeps the world turning and all that.
I just don't fucking get what it is about smoking that makes everyone so damned nutty. It's just flat-out silly.
Orclover
05-01-2006, 04:39 AM
One of the most energetic 80 year-old men I've known was a hardcore smoker. He came to my coffee shop every morning at 3-4am, and would help me do my job for a small cup of coffee, because he had a job when working that had him up at that time every day, and couldn't break the habit. Conversely, the donut guy who worked at the same place was a 50 year-old heavy smoker who had two heart attacks within 3 years despite being thin as a rail because of stress and the added high blood pressure from smoking.
I'm a smoker. I'm an unapologetic smoker. That doesn't mean I'm rude, but it does mean that I'm not about to apologize for indulging in the habit. Smoking, like drinking, eating crappy foods, drinking cola by the gallon, or having unprotected sex with the vast multitudes of women found in bars, is a bad habit, to be certain. But it's my bad habit, and I enjoy it, so just as I won't tell you to quit drinking for the sake of your liver, don't tell me to quit smoking for the sake of my lungs.
As far as second-hand smoke is concerned, if it bugs you that much, fuck off to Ireland or California, where non-smokers rule the day. Then you can be content without having to deal with smoking.
I have never had anyone snap a cigarette out of my mouth because I was smoking in their space. If I did, I'd likely just light up another one, and make properly sure to blow the smoke directly in the face of the person with no respect for my personal property. Yes, it's a shitty thing to do, but an eye for an eye keeps the world turning and all that.
I just don't fucking get what it is about smoking that makes everyone so damned nutty. It's just flat-out silly.
Its a form of elitism, its state sanctioned "Ism of a sort. You can be publically rude to a smoker because of his habbit and people will not likely look down on you, instead they may even praise you for standing up to that person who is different. And they will feel better about themselves for doing so.
When I was smoking it was long ago as a bouncer back in some very seedy clubs and a strip joint in my younger days, back in the early 90's before laws started making it illigal in such places. Back then taking the cigerette from somebodys mouth and crushing it was more likely to get you gutted and killed than praised.
Honestly if it bothers people so much to have someone smoking in public outdoors around them, then they should try to get the laws changed to make it illegal, its worked for some places.
gentlemanandscholar
05-01-2006, 04:41 AM
What specifically has to mutate is the DNA sequence that gives instructions on how and when to divide. When a cell starts dividing out of control (or doesn't do it properly), then you have a problem.
But you're right, smoking one cigarette won't give you cancer. On the other hand it will screw up a lot of the hemoglobin in your red blood cells (lowers stamina and it takes time to replace all that hemoglobin) and give your lungs a little bit of tar and crud to get rid of.
I know. I had to spend a bloody year learning all that crap. But you have to have multiple mutations on specific parts of your alleles etc to allow that cell to be immortal and then become a tumour cell. Which is why cancer is so hard to "cure".
Which is why it's inane to think that a single cigarette will do anything. Sure it could, but it would have to be the trigger of some mutations in your lungs, not the sole cause.
And about the tar and crud: your lungs do that everyday, so no biggy.
Let me verify though: I am not defending chain smoking. That WILL fuck your health up.
Pierrot le Fou
05-01-2006, 04:46 AM
Its a form of elitism, its state sanctioned "Ism of a sort. You can be publically rude to a smoker because of his habbit and people will not likely look down on you, instead they may even praise you for standing up to that person who is different. And they will feel better about themselves for doing so.
When I was smoking it was long ago as a bouncer back in some very seedy clubs and a strip joint in my younger days, back in the early 90's before laws started making it illigal in such places. Back then taking the cigerette from somebodys mouth and crushing it was more likely to get you gutted and killed than praised.
Honestly if it bothers people so much to have someone smoking in public outdoors around them, then they should try to get the laws changed to make it illegal, its worked for some places.
Fuck changing the laws. They should patronize non-smoking establishments, or move to another state, because changing the damned law screws over other taxpaying citizens (who pay more taxes and make more money for the state than non-smokers mind you) for the sake of your inability to cope with a little smoke now and then. That's like trying to outlaw diesel fuel because you got stuck behind a bus the other day.
Mysticalmelody
05-01-2006, 05:00 AM
It's not so silly when your mother smoking until you were 11 gives you asthma. Whenever someone around me starts smoking I have to go upwind in order to keep from coughing. In addition the smell makes my stomach churn. If I'm waiting in line someplace and someone lights one up nearby, I can't go upwind. That's happened and I just asked the guy to do something about it. He did. I've got no problem with people like that. Yes you are entitled to have your addiction. I'm not stopping you from smoking. I only require you stop making me sick because of your bad habit. I even tell my uncles and aunt who are heavy smokers not to smoke upwind of me. It's courtesy.... simply put "Don't make me breath your shit x.x"
PopCulturePooka
05-01-2006, 05:06 AM
I know. I had to spend a bloody year learning all that crap. But you have to have multiple mutations on specific parts of your alleles etc to allow that cell to be immortal and then become a tumour cell. Which is why cancer is so hard to "cure".
Which is why it's inane to think that a single cigarette will do anything. Sure it could, but it would have to be the trigger of some mutations in your lungs, not the sole cause.
And about the tar and crud: your lungs do that everyday, so no biggy.
Let me verify though: I am not defending chain smoking. That WILL fuck your health up.
I'd like to know how they could even do an organised repeatable study to show that one smoke increases your chances of cancer.
Sounds like bunk science.
Mysticalmelody
05-01-2006, 06:22 AM
I'd like to know how they could even do an organised repeatable study to show that one smoke increases your chances of cancer.
Sounds like bunk science.
I sell cigarettes at a convenience store. One guy buying them actually tried talking me into smoking and used that as evidence of how it wasn't so bad or something. Forget cancer, how about problems breathing, disgusting teeth, rotting gums/lips, black lungs...
If you need an addictive habit to relieve stress for some reason, I'll suggest the following...
Anything but drugs and other forms of self mutilation... or things that hurt others.
bigchris1313
05-01-2006, 06:24 AM
I don't smoke. I've never had any desire to. I don't find it morally offensive at all.
I don't do drugs; however, I support their unfettered legalization. I believe that their euphoric benefits would outweigh their effects on my productivity.
But I'm not going to lie about alcohol: I drink. Heavily. But only on the weekends.
PopCulturePooka
05-01-2006, 06:39 AM
I sell cigarettes at a convenience store. One guy buying them actually tried talking me into smoking and used that as evidence of how it wasn't so bad or something. Forget cancer, how about problems breathing, disgusting teeth, rotting gums/lips, black lungs...
If you need an addictive habit to relieve stress for some reason, I'll suggest the following...
Anything but drugs and other forms of self mutilation... or things that hurt others.
Heh, what I mean is the hypothesis that One cigarette increases the risk of cancer in any observable scale would be nigh on impossible to test in any way at all.
It COULD, but I can't see how it can ever be proven.
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