View Full Version : Curtains up: Grand Experiment revealed.
JudoPorkChop
09-11-2005, 04:34 PM
Links for reference:
Entered into evidence: Item one. (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=691)
Entered into evidence: Item two. (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=696)
Entered into evidence: Item three. (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698)
This originated from Pop Culture Pooka's accusation that the entire population of the boards here was immature. Further, there was a statement made that because we are immature, we should not be allowed to talk about certain topics. Naturally, when you claim an entire group of people posess a negative trait, they react. And the original topic was closed. But, not before two other topics were started. Those are linked to here. There was not one single iota of intent to actually create dialogue, debate, or discussion. Far from it. In actuality, these topics were created for the sole purpose of instigating flamewars, so that Pop Culture Pooka's suggestion of banning topics would be justified, using these links as proof.
Needless to say, the flames never came. The immaturity never manifested on the levels that Pop Culture Pooka claims are present here. I'd like to congratulate the members here on their conduct in that respect.
On to the main point.
The reason that this post exists, and I didn't just inform the mods that a very complex trolling scheme was in effect is simple. I believe you deserve to be notified and aware that one of our number attempted to use you as a bunch of unsuspecting dupes. A bunch of monkeys for their own experiment, alluded to in even their profile. That level of pretense is unacceptible to me, that level of general disrespect towards the populace is unacceptible to me, and I could not remain silent on this matter any further.
Well... to this I say. No shit. Just catch on now, did you?
The post that got th original thread closed was a Joke, and the person who made the post new about the experiment.
JudoPorkChop
09-11-2005, 04:36 PM
No Joe. But someone else might not have.
nice gaijin
09-11-2005, 06:00 PM
seems like pop isn't the one with the elaborate trolling scheme...
JudoPorkChop
09-11-2005, 06:09 PM
And what would make you say that? I'm not here trying to start a fight, or insulting the whole of the boards. I'm simply letting everyone know what's going on. Nothing more, nothing less. No pretense to hide behind, nada.
For those that were there that day and in that thread, they knew PCP made the same threads he felt would go out of hand. Was it to prove his point? Was it to test his point? Who knows; but remember, not everyone was in that thread and witnessed it.
Also, JPC you are going to once again be attacked for being too harsh on PCP and the "Elitist" side of this arguement. Frankly, this will only make it worse :P
good luck.
But I AM immature... which is why I loved those threads; asked proper questions and didn't rise to the bait. Pooka's sense of humour kicks arse! :D
JudoPorkChop
09-11-2005, 06:37 PM
It might, kokujin, it might.
But I don't like someone going to unnecessary lengths to prove a point. PCP wants to call me a troll for attacking him, but then makes posts for no other reason than to foster a flamewar. That's hypocrisy.
Nevermind this spawned from a suggestion that got shot down by a mod, and Az obviously didn't think it was worthy of action. Instead of simply accepting it, this happened. Sure, PCP can be extremely funny. But this isn't anything worth laughing at.
Samwise
09-11-2005, 07:08 PM
INTERNETS DRAMA ON THE FORUMWEB?!?!?!
HEAR COMES DETECTIVE CONAN!!!!!
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/conan_conan_2_L_Figure.jpg
CASE CLOSED.
Oh man, I am some sort of comedy genius I tell you what.
Looks like he's being overly perverted to some prudish hottie.
CNagy
09-11-2005, 07:33 PM
Nevermind this spawned from a suggestion that got shot down by a mod, and Az obviously didn't think it was worthy of action. Instead of simply accepting it, this happened. Sure, PCP can be extremely funny. But this isn't anything worth laughing at.
Actually, this happened before any mod got to the scene (9/8 at 12:23 and 12:28 am, moderation wasn't around until 6 am.) I generally try to assume the worst of people, though, so when I didn't get a response as to whether he was trying to prove his point or just see if it was a non-issue, I figured he wanted to prove his point. Still, just thought I'd clarify that this didn't come in response to it being shot down, it came in response to negative feedback, and was later shot down.
Edit:
Sigh.
Ok...
here goes then.
I give it till the end of Sunday night.
Guess this tipped it off from the start, though.
JudoPorkChop
09-11-2005, 07:37 PM
Ah. I see. Thank you for the clarification.
Quartermaster
09-11-2005, 08:24 PM
On to the main point.
The reason that this post exists, and I didn't just inform the mods that a very complex trolling scheme was in effect is simple. I believe you deserve to be notified and aware that one of our number attempted to use you as a bunch of unsuspecting dupes. A bunch of monkeys for their own experiment, alluded to in even their profile. That level of pretense is unacceptible to me, that level of general disrespect towards the populace is unacceptible to me, and I could not remain silent on this matter any further.
What? I'm not quite understanding the point here. He had a thought (people cannot not flame here), tested it to prove his point and was wrong. If people really couldn't resist flaming here, and he made those 2 posts without the pretense of the very first post you wouldn't be saying this. In fact, nobody would really blame him for starting the threads.
Truthfully, I think you're trolling, trying to rake up public detriment for PCP by inflaming us, "I believe you deserve to be notified and aware that one of our number attempted to use you as a bunch of unsuspecting dupes".
Gee, thanks. Now go away.
ellie
09-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Uhh. . .what exactly was the point behind this thread, JPC? You go out of your way to publicly insult PCP. Your initial piece of "evidence" against him is his post in which he ASKS "Should there be certain subjects or topics that should be considered Taboo here at OP9?" He doesn't claim everyone here is incapable of discussing various subjects--he merely asks if anyone thinks there should be any taboo subjects. He further goes on to say " Thats not a dig at the board", which specifically means that he DOESN'T necessarily believe the entire board to be idiots.
Whereas you, Mr. Judoporkchop, are so paranoid that you believe there is an elaborate trolling scheme underway and post a rude, flaming thread about a fellow Outpost 9 member.
akitaka
09-11-2005, 10:19 PM
Scheme or not, it's still a bunch of viable topics in which were replied to. Whether they turned out to be a big flame fest or not is generally in responsibility of the posters.
renegade
09-11-2005, 11:07 PM
i dont think its the topics as much as the reason(s)for why they were put there
yeah...though he's harsh, all he's saying is he was insulted for the reason that the topics were potentially made. Two wrongs or two overly harsh accusations don't make a right; nor do they make things better.
edit: when I say two wrongs, I'm not talking about JPCs response to PopculturePooka (because I've already mentioned it), I'm talking about some of the posters' here response to JPC.
Mr.Babalo
09-11-2005, 11:45 PM
lol
i didn't notice what pcp was up to. Funny guy.
Monkey
09-11-2005, 11:48 PM
JPC I wish you would stop attacking people.
Sometimes you have valid points, but it seems to me that most of the time you are just attacking the person rather than the argument.
Please just give it up. You are taking this far too personally. Just stand back and consider their argument before you decide to post.
An entire thread did not need to be devoted to why you think PCP is an idiot/hypocrit/elitist git/whatever the latest flavour of the day is...
PopCulturePooka
09-12-2005, 12:01 AM
Wow, you say you're not a troll?
Ha
KujiInRetsu
09-12-2005, 12:04 AM
I have not been here as regularly as I would like (due to school), so I'm afraid I'm going to have to request someone PM a coherent explanation of all this. I don't really have the time to read all the topics pertaining to this debacle either.
Pierrot le Fou
09-12-2005, 12:19 AM
References:
JPC doesn't make a new thread in direct response to another which he didn't like in order to drum up support or nasty comments (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436)
JPC claims "Now, I shall not name names, or link posts, people have read them plainly enough, and no mud shall be slung here." (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=643)
And this thread, where JPC names names AND links posts... (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=780)
If JPC ain't a troll, then why are the three threads he's started in the GD forum all inflammatory responses to another thread which he makes a new thread about? Why is it that he always directs his responses at one person in a negative way? Why is it that he blames other people for all the evils on the forum without accepting a modicum of responsibility for the shitstorms he stirs up?
It's getting old, son.
Kustom
09-12-2005, 12:30 AM
Further, there was a statement made that because we are immature, we should not be allowed to talk about certain topics.
JPC, you have every right to disagree with PCP calling people immature and say so, but suggesting that he actually said some topics should be off-limit is bull: he asked a question, and did NOT answer it.
I take it his original idea was that he wanted to ask those questions about aborption and evolution, but before offending anyone's beliefs he wanted to know how many people felt it wasn't ok. Since the topic went down in flames he decided "to hell with it, I'm just gonna go ahead and ask, see what happens".
Geeze, the immaturity comment was like a footnote in his post, how can you blow this so far out of proportions? Don't tell me it's the most outrageous claim that's ever been made on OP9.
renegade
09-12-2005, 12:31 AM
well you did want a flame thread
and its right here
mission accomplished PCP?
PopCulturePooka
09-12-2005, 12:43 AM
Nope.
Didn't want a flame thread.
But the troll obviously does.
bloop
09-12-2005, 12:45 AM
Who cares if it was an experiment? The result - in terms of the one I read - was a relatively good discussion.
Are the people who posted in those threads supposed to be angry? Threads that start with "Here's a controversial subject. Discuss." are always suspicious. It's like a link that says "Do not click".
Didn't Citizen and/or Kass already say to stop with the threads pointing out faults in other people on the boards?
renegade
09-12-2005, 01:48 AM
Nope.
Didn't want a flame thread.
But the troll obviously does.
and thats how you stop it?
blaming JPC is chilldish and this whole thing is getting quite boring
you got your little experiment
you were prooven wrong
let it go. you and JPC need to.
Marblehead
09-12-2005, 02:48 AM
Why the hell is flaming such a big deal? I mean so many people take this shit way to seriously. People rant about flaming the way people rant about abortion. It's this really emotionally charged issue that in substance is pure bullshit. Who cares if someone personally attacks you?
All's fair in love, war and the internet.
Citizen
09-12-2005, 03:27 AM
Actually, this happened before any mod got to the scene (9/8 at 12:23 and 12:28 am, moderation wasn't around until 6 am.)
I was on. Watching with little interest as the whole thing played out. It should have been fairly obvious to anyone with a pulse why those threads about topics that had been touched on in the taboo thread had been made.
One of the biggest problems related to flaming that OP9 has is threads like this one. Think about it. What happens every time a thread like this gets made?
People get pissy, fingers get pointed, the word elitist gets thrown around, the flaming spreads, and then we end up with a new thread like this. Wash, rinse, and repeat. It's getting annoying. We don't need a new OP9 social commentary thread every three days. They solve nothing, and only make it harder for people to let things go.
This isn't how you get rid of flaming in a debate forum. You get rid of flaming by allowing other people's opinions. You get rid of flaming by getting over other people's opinions, even if they're being an ass. You get rid of flaming by not doing it yourself, and by not flying off the handle at broad generalizations. You get rid of it by not picking people apart for slipping once.
I don't want OP9 to turn into a fucking preschool. Please, don't make me have to start handing out timeouts so two people can be huffy in seperate corners. =/
Roxie
09-12-2005, 03:36 AM
It was a total experiment.
The subjects suggested that we NOT talk about, less they become flame wars by the immmature that would burn down the boards (which they didn't and turned into interesting convo), were made into threads by the same person who suggested it.
Grossly over reaching to try and prove a point.We don't need a new OP9 social commentary thread every three days.
Wow. one of my original points.
JudoPorkChop
09-12-2005, 03:56 AM
Nope.
Didn't want a flame thread.
But the troll obviously does.
Oh, I'm sorry. I see the error of my ways now. I bow to your shining example of maturi- hold that thought...
Citizen edit: Removed by request. Members have the right to ask for their PMs to not be displayed, and the request was made.
WHOA! What's that? Is that the bastion of maturity stating that I need to die? Looks like it. Wow. Never knew maturity allowed you to think someone needed to die for opposing you.
That is the whole point, the final curtain raised to reveal that which nobody wants to see. For every elitist, for every claim to superiority, here we are, they are the very same as me. It's okay, they're human, and will make mistakes like this as surely as they breathe. But no, you don't want to admit that trolls are a part of much everyone here... Better to label me a troll, and hope I'll go away, or that enough of you can shout me down. But that will not happen. The only reason social commentary threads exist here, especially the ones generated by me is because people refuse to accept what they are. Your elite are nigh more than verbose gibbering masses of ego. Your mature are nothing more than children whose attacks come when nobody is looking. As I keep stating, your intelligent discourse does not exist, your maturity does not exist. It never will, for as long as someone believes they are superior to everyone else here.
Azrael
09-12-2005, 04:44 AM
I haven't said much, because I'm still trying to figure out what the problem is.
It seems to me that people want the forum to be a certain way. To me, it seems like some people are looking for a sort of forum utopia, where every topic is of interest, every post relevant, et al. I've been on this internets for a long time, and I've NEVER seen that. Maybe on small boards where most of the people have the same/similar interests and everybody loves each other. Not on big, public boards, like how this one has somehow become.
Back on the PhpBB, there were a lot of serious discussion topics that got derailed, lots of meaningless posts, etc. And it was problematic. So we made RWPW, added no spam to the rules, and started looking out for it. I think things are doing okay now.
But this is a big, public forum. There's going to be all kinds of people coming and going. Some may enjoy serious discussion, others may enjoy wisecracking and being stupid. Can't we all just get along?[/Rodney King] If you don't like someone, you don't have to acknowledge/respond to them. vB does have a wonderful ignore feature.
Every thread in a forum may not be of interest to you. Sometimes there's a hundred different topics you want to read and reply to. Sometimes, you've scanned the past three days and haven't even found a topic you wanted to open. That's just how it goes.
Interact with the people you want to. Don't interact with the people you don't like. And that's all, really.
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