The Drug Thread

[h2orowe]

I was wondering, OP9, what drugs have you all tried? I, myself, have tried marijuana, codeine, and various asthma medications. Only drugs I tried without doctor's permission were marijuana, and codeine though (codeine was prescribed, but I abused it.)

Share stories, please. Times you got caught, or if you were on a hallucinogen tell us about your good trips, your bad trips, etc.

I think (I'm gonna do research on this to make sure it's okay though) I will try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum sometime this Summer. I just need to find out where I can get some. I don't know if I will though.


First time I got high was when I was 14. Me, my cousin, and my brother smoked some weed. :P I listened to the Mars Volta, played some Guild Wars, and ate Weinerschnitzel. It was fun.

I only had weed one other time :P

[Lisa M]

I don't abuse controlled substances, or use illegal ones.

[Trinadad]

Mary Jane started to visit me recently, but she's the only one for me.

[h2orowe]

I don't abuse controlled substances, or use illegal ones.
Thanks for not bashing.
I just want to add this in as a sorta disclaimer

If you take offense, look, please just don't read this -_-; This isn't trying to pressure anyone into doing anything, or even something remotely close to that. It's just to share experiences. If you don't like drugs or want to do them (I've tried pot twice. It's not like I'm a heroin addict.) then don't attack a fellow forumer and such, just post like Lisa just did and it'll be cool. I don't want anyone to get all judgemental.

[Kwiz]

While I haven't used any illegal substances myself, I just wanted to chime in that sharing stories about illegal activity online might not be the best idea. You'd be amazed what government agencies can keep track of - just some cautionary advice.

[h2orowe]

While I haven't used any illegal substances myself, I just wanted to chime in that sharing stories about illegal activity online might not be the best idea. You'd be amazed what government agencies can keep track of - just some cautionary advice.
Oh no.. I've said too much? I haven't said enough?


But seriously? >_>; Have I already said too much or wut? Isn't it possible to just share stories about tripping and such or is that too much itself?

[Mittens]

I've only ever done weed.
Did it in Japan too XD
AVE IT!

Probably only had weed about 3 times in my life (over last year in fact).

[Kwiz]

Oh no.. I've said too much? I haven't said enough?


But seriously? >_>; Have I already said too much or wut? Isn't it possible to just share stories about tripping and such or is that too much itself?

Nah, as long as you don't give detailed information on your various street experiences with peddling high-grade crystal meth (slight hyperbole, I certainly hope none of our members have done anything of the sort), you should be fine.

[seiji]

I've only ever done weed.
Did it in Japan too XD
AVE IT!

Probably only had weed about 3 times in my life (over last year in fact).
..."Probably"? :watson:

The only serious drug I've used (besides alcohol) is prescription codeine when I got my wisdom teeth out. I watched the entire series of RahXephon in one shot and have only the vaguest disjointed recollections of it.

[Noata]

I talked to Trina when she was high lol :3

[h2orowe]

The only time I've watched Flavor of Love was when I was dazed from Codeine. I loved the show for 30 minutes. Then passed out. Woke up. Hated the show again.

[Wakka]

I, myself, have tried marijuana, codeine, and various asthma medications.

You fucking badass ;p

Me? Blazing is fun.

EDIT:

The only time I've watched Flavor of Love was when I was dazed from Codeine. I loved the show for 30 minutes. Then passed out. Woke up. Hated the show again.


A testament to the power of codeine! Flava Flav >_<;

[h2orowe]

For those of you who poke smot, what's your favorite mode of ingestion? First time I tried it, I just took one bong rip. Last time I tried it, me and two friends put it in boiling water and made some tea. It was utterly delicious. It was unfiltered or whatever so it still had huge chunks of it in there, but you just chew them for a bit, and let it get absorbed.

[Trinadad]

I talked to Trina when she was high lol :3

Dude, dude. It's better on skype. Ask Joey. Haha. It's great.

Edit: Well, me and my friends used to make a banana pipe (called it a bong though, sounded nicer) but I recently got a new pipe that so cute. It works really well, so I'm happy.

[harper]

tylenol or advil when I have a headache. Otherwise, the only drugs I've used are ones prescribed by a doctor for an ailment.

[pangloss]

I'm only on prescribed meds that I have to take.
Citalopram 40mg and Atarax 10 mg
I'll bake a cake for anyone who can guess why I need to take these.

HINT: I also have regular CBT

[h2orowe]

Dude, dude. It's better on skype. Ask Joey. Haha. It's great.

It's true. It's fucking true.
I can't wait til I am able to return the favor and skype with you whilst I'm intoxicated XD if I can even manage to figure out how to turn it on. Last time when it finally hit I just lopped around on my bed and rambled nonsense.

[NERD]

Alcohol is my anti-drug, it's great.

I'm on sleeping pills, which I am not supposed to take every day in fear of an addiction. Only about 3-4 days a week.

And I can't see this thread as anything else BUT a pro-drug thread, especially if you are to describe your experiences of using them in the past.

[japanat]

They can't arrest you for talking about recreational drug use, you have to have it on you to be arrested for possession. But... they can start a file on you (trolling for key words), might even be able to use it for probable cause for a search warrant if some D.A. is up for re-election.

And if you ever plan, or think it even remotely possible you may need, to get secret clearance, drug history is a black mark. May not rule you out, but definitely a minus. And forget about applying for any military college or officer program.

edit: But there is no way in hell that I would ever discuss my past illegal behavior online.

[MNJetter]

The closest I've ever gotten was a couple years ago when I accidentally took a double dose of sudafed. Took it once because of a stuffy nose, and then an hour later, I thought "oh, I'm going on an airplane. I should take some sudafed."

I had never been so giggly in my life. And it stopped quite suddenly, like mid-giggle, I just quit laughing and thought "what's so funny?" And then I was normal, even slightly quiet, for the rest of the evening.

I'm a huge lightweight to begin with, though. A single beer (normal-sized, not the Japanese half-liter can of beer) is enough to get me seriously buzzed/slightly drunk. I would never try illegal drugs just for fear of what would happen.

Oh, and I accidentally drank too much caffeine once and slightly overdosed. That was an unpleasant night full of paranoid hallucinations and actually being able to hear my heart beat. I've been extremely gun-shy with caffeine since then.

[悲しいパンダ]

Um...my latest purchase was um...a nickel sack. You know Mary Jane, grass, skunk, herb, reefer, hash, chronic, pot. Lets make it easier. Weed! Marijuana! Also purchased was $60 worth of MickyD's burgers off the dollar menu. Hey! When your hunger, your hunger. Besides, I shared. (With like 2 other buddies)

Wait! Wait! It was a pretty funny scene. When I told the cashier guy I wanted 20 chicken burgers, 20 double cheese burgers and 10 hamburgers, he had that look on him face. You know. The WTF!!! 'Are you serious?' look. Then my friend say to him, "Hey man! I'm a little pissed and a little high, right now. So could you take my money and give me my food. Here a fifty dollars bill. Now get me my food." *slams a twenty dollar bill on the counter* Of course there was much more cursing involved. But I cleaned it up a bit.

Something I posted in the "Your latest purchase" thread. (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=310387#post310387)

[Black fist]

Haven't but been offer, but my parents will beat me like a runaway slave sense kicked in and I walk the fuck away.
Also I doing a debate about the legalization Mary jane where I found about many recipe including greend dragon greet tea and ganja goo balls

[Kal]

Marijuana is probably the only drug i've been using regularly for the past 6 years, the only other thing I've tried is E and it wasn't really my thing. I've never had bad trips on either, guess i'm just lucky. I have no plans to go past Marijuana, never really did, it's still good enough for me and the occasional Silver Haze to make it more daring.

[4letterwords]

Ah hell. I was a bit of a rebel back in my high school days. Probably tried everything under the sun, but never really enjoyed much... except for weed, shrooms and absinth(wow, I dunno how to spell that).

But one time when I was high, my friends and I bough wizard of oz costumes and walked around walmart asking what isle would could find a 'brain' on or a 'heart' or 'courage'... Thank god my friend recorded it... I'll post a clip when I get back to the US... i was dorthy, btw...

Outside of that I haven't done anything except weed in the past couple years, and it's only been a few times. Kindof gotten bored with it.

[Plekto]

Oh dang... You brought up a good one. Absinthe is distilled wormwood (sometimes mixed with vodka or wine as well) and used to be legal a long time ago(about 80-90 years ago, IIRC), so every so often you run into a real bottle(as opposed to the fake stuff we get now that just tastes like it).

It's prohibited to import or sell the real stuff in the U.S., but not controlled/illegal - so every so often you find a real bottle that someone has or acquired somehow.

No way to describe it - it's alcohol and it makes you feel and see things. And it's legal in most of the world as well. Only managed to try it once, but if you are in Europe on a trip - get ahold of some to try.

I limit my drugs, though, to alcohol. Legal, and a couple of shots of the good stuff works every time to burn the week's stress off.

Though... one time I had someone slip some acid in my drink in high school. Had the scariest waking dreams at night for the next three days. (walls distorting, feeling of being crushed under my covers, things clawing at my windows...) Not fun in any way. Not recommended if you aren't aware of it beforehand. Among the worst things you can do to someone as a "joke".

EDIT:Evidently the ban was lifted in Switzerland in 2005 and they make the best - and it's legal to import/ship it to the U.S. on an individual basis - just not SELL it in the U.S.(odd how that works - the ban is on the commerce/selling and not as a controlled substance). It's pricey, though.

http://www.eabsinthe.com/Swiss-Absinthe/c4/index.html
Shipping isn't included - so we're talking about $40-$50 a bottle.

[Angelyne]

Ugh, absinthe. Is it possible to have an allergy to this stuff? The first time I tried this, I got seriously ill--couldn't stop puking, don't remember several hours of the night, and had very nasty hangover-like symptoms the next day. Tried it again years later--even though I intentionally consumed a lot less than I did the first time I tried, I had the same crappy experience. Nobody else who drank from the same bottle had these problems. Why the hell doesn't it work for me? :boggled:

[ZaichikArky]

Thanks for not bashing.
I just want to add this in as a sorta disclaimer

If you take offense, look, please just don't read this -_-; This isn't trying to pressure anyone into doing anything, or even something remotely close to that. It's just to share experiences. If you don't like drugs or want to do them (I've tried pot twice. It's not like I'm a heroin addict.) then don't attack a fellow forumer and such, just post like Lisa just did and it'll be cool. I don't want anyone to get all judgemental.

Very smart, Jewy. HEEE.

Because of your note, I won't be a huge flametard XD.

Anyway, I have smoked pot once in my life. Oh fine I'll share my story because it's amusing enough I guess.

During Freshmen year, students at my university have to do something called a "core course". Mu university has a "college system" where the school is made up of 10 smaller "college communities". Anyway, my college was the ONLY one to have a year-long core class MANDATORY for freshmen. Now it's down 2 quarters, I believe. It used to be 2 years.

So my second quarter, I had an 8 am core class with 2 student teachers. They were junior undergrad students. Not once did any professor or anyone come into our class. That class was so rediculously easy and boring. There were about 10 of us and only about 3 people would speak regularly during class. The rest of us were kind of brain dead at 8 in the morning.

ANYWAY, so at the end of the quarter, our 2 "teachers" decided to throw our class a party in their off campus apartment. You can only imagine what happened. So one student brought his 6 ft pipe down and got HELLLLLA smashed. So smashed that one of the TAs had to drive him back to his dorm. So I smoked for the first and only time from this 6 ft pipe only because I wanted to claim that the first and only time I smoked was from a 6 ft pipe. It sucked and I'm never doing it again and of course didn't get high, but yeah. That's my almost interesting story : ).

[4letterwords]

I have to say that Absinth was the coolest thing I'd ever done. It's absolute euphoria. I felt like... Imagine if every bill you ever had was paid off and you didn't have to worry a thing... and then everything you saw was exaggerated like 90 times. This is the only drug I can say, absolutely was awesome. Other drugs that make you see shit are usually so hard on your body that sometimes even one dose will kill you. Absinth is no cocacola but it's the wine cooler compared to the rest of shit. I recommend everyone try it once. Just don't drive. I remember just wanting to touch shit. Touching shit felt so good. Like just putting my hand on a desk was like "Omg this desk... it's like, hard. like really hard. Wow."

If you can be responsible about drinking/mild drugs, then I don't see why it should be illegal, btw. So be responsible!

[Beowulf]

I have never used any illegal substance. And like I've told all my friends, if you ever get high around me I will exploit you for laughs and/or steal from you.

[CrazyAce86]

Never did anything illegal.

Yes, folks, I'm insane naturally.

It's probably best that I don't, because apparently I have little drug tolerance. In the hospital, they gave me both Vicodin and morphine and let me tell you, I was FLYYYYYYIIIIIIING HIIIIIIIIGH in the SKYYYYYYYYYY.

I was all but doing cartwheels down the hall. >_<

Then they sent me home with something else-- I forget what, some painkiller that stared with L-- and I was drugged loopy for a week. I followed the instructions perfectly, too.

[Trump]

Drugs are all overrated.

Perhaps I say that because I have a high tolerance for all drugs, prescribed or otherwise. They just don't work well on me =/

[Jetsetlemming]

Cough Syrup. :innocent:
Beyond that I claim the fifth.

[Stephy]

Not something I like to remember, since I am against illegal substances.

But my older cousin forced me when I was 13 or 14 (?) once. Dunno what the thing was that he was trying to force me to smoke. Never inhaled. And lied to him that I did, so he wouldn't make me do it again.

I rather not talk much more about it.

[Plekto]

Absinthe is very strong and is usually diluted to about 1/4 or 1/5th strength and a lot of sugar is added as well. Essentially they serve it in a way that makes a finished product simmilar to Limoncello - roughly 50% Absinthe, 50% sugar, and then something to dilute it a bit. Straight, it's just too strong(60-70 proof is common). A little big goes a long way.

The Swiss stuff is better because it's more refined and less harsh, so I've heard - and sweeter.

Imagine being drunk with it being your mind as well as your body. :)

And, yes, some people are alergic to certain things in it/types - sometimes it's made with as many as a dozen other herbs and spices. Every maker has a slightly different formula so it seems.

[Duke Luke of Juke]

I go to a liberal college...

[anver]

I smoke pot fairly regularly and I tried cocaine at New Year's.
Coke sucked though, I hardly felt anything since I didn't snort much and was drunk and high already, but felt weirdly hung over for a week.

[Lateli]

I don't do drugs, I just sell them :( (Or will soon enough)

Well, I do take Aleve when in dire pain or if I know I'll be in pain soon, it doesn't help much but prevents it from getting worse.

[seiji]

Okay, I will share the story of my freshman psychology professor:

His mother had surgery, so he went to her house to take care of her. She, being a pretty heavy pothead, asked him to make her some special brownies. He agreed and whipped up a batch like old times, put them in the oven, and absentmindedly licked the spoon clean. Now he was no innocent, but he had not smoked in so long that he was unaware how potent the new breeds had gotten. That spoonful knocked him on his ass, where he remained until the brownies were done. After they cooled, he gave them to his mother. She didn't even flinch. :D

[Plekto]

Sweet :) My kind of grandmother :)

[Shamu]

Never done drugs, never will (I don't see the point, tbh). But a lot of my friends back in high school and college did and I was ok with that.
I do drink alcohol on occasion, but I don't drink to get drunk.

IRT Joey: are we going to have to have the e-parent/e-kid talk about drugs now? :frypan: :P J/K Just be careful.

[Myrsilus]

Some pills, prescribed and not prescribed. Never actually smoked weed, but I've been in a room filled with the smoke so I actually got a little high off of that.

Other than that I just drink and sometimes have a cigarette. Even if I don't smoke much at all, I always feel like I shouldn't have had a cig right after I finish it. Then I remember that life can be a bitch and a little cig will help take the edge off. Someone help me.

[NERD]

Try running couple of miles and see if the smoking has hindered your physical state- that is a good motivation to quit. I quit after running short of breath in a couple of quick pickup games.

[japanat]

Some pills, prescribed and not prescribed. Never actually smoked weed, but I've been in a room filled with the smoke so I actually got a little high off of that.

Other than that I just drink and sometimes have a cigarette. Even if I don't smoke much at all, I always feel like I shouldn't have had a cig right after I finish it. Then I remember that life can be a bitch and a little cig will help take the edge off. Someone help me.I'll send you a pic of my mom toting her O2 bottles, with the hose in her nose at all times, along with one of her blood ox dropping from a decent 96 to 75 or less in 20 seconds after removing the hose. 50-yr smoker.

I smoked 20 yrs, a pack or less a day, and have slight reduction in my lung function. My father-in-law, a doctor, told me about one of his patients who died at 28 from second-hand smoke-induced lung cancer (Japanese offices have to be seen, and smelled, to be believed).

You only smoke the occasional cig, right? Quit now, while it's easy, and the mental addiction is small. After 20 yrs, quitting was literally the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, hands down. I dreamed about the fuckin' things for months!!

[Myrsilus]

My fitness has not been impacted at all, NERD. So it's not to that point at all.

Sometimes I forget that I keep telling myself to stop smoking, even if at most it's 2-4 cigs in 2 months. And yeah, I realize that even that is too much smoking. Once the harshness of cigs wore off and I started to feel the relaxing effects, it just became a little easier for me to forget.

Good thing is I've been refusing cigs for a while now and I still have almost a full pack of cigs that I empty by giving them out to others. I'm not addicted, but I do enjoy the feeling of smoking. I know I can leave that behind, though.

It's still nice to have that occasional cig. What a drag.

[Soli]

I'm not against other taking drugs or anything as long as they leave me out of it! :P

I don't need drugs when I have my clarinet. When I'm feeling down I'll just take out my clarinet and play. Just hearing and feeling the vibrating hum of the low notes when I play.... Music is wonderful. That's all I'm saying. :)

I agree with Shamu, Joey. Be careful!

[CrazyAce86]

I smoke once in awhile. When Robert was home last summer, I think we went through four packs together in three weeks.

Yeah, smoking's bad, I know. I'm not uninformed or turning a blind eye to it, I just really don't care. I breathed in secondhand smoke for my first fifteen years of life, so I've never truly been clean. *shrugs*

I'm not much of a drinker. I get paranoid about the loss of control, which is why I've never done illegal drugs. That's not to say I haven't ever been drunk, it's just that I'd rather prefer not to be.

So, if you count cigs and rum as drugs, then I'm a full believer in the sex, drugs, & rock 'n' roll mantra. :D

[h2orowe]

No brownies ._. instead we're just gonna get some and put it on steak and eat it like that.

[Trayal]

Been drunk four times in my life - but will have a single drink now and then after a stressy week at work.

Other than that, never even smoked a single cigarette much less did anything stronger.

[h2orowe]

Isn't Virginia Slims just a brand of Cigarette?

[anver]

Indeed, it is.

[Myrsilus]

Those Virginia Slims been laced, I tell you.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Take some advice from me people, don't be fucking stupid. Research what you're going to do before you do it. There are sites like www.erowid.org which go over dosage, experiences, what to expect, and what to be wary of. Don't be a fucking cretin about it.

Drugs are like guns in many ways. They are not inherently dangerous. In trained hands they can be used to help people. In untrained hands they can kill people.

They are not cool. Just like the fucking cretin who brags about having a gun, the person who brags about drugs or their drug use is most likely the person to get fucked by them.

This thread just demonstrates the need for comprehensive drug education. If you folks are as ignorant about sex as you are about drugs, sweet Jesus save us all.

I've been doing marijuana for non-prescribed medical purposes with medical marijuana. The good stuff. =]

Silver haze (mostly). White widow. Black Widow. Green lime kush. Super OG kush. Some kind of really good stress.
Internal Debate; which is more pathetic?
(a) People who stick a sticker on their car to make it go faster
(b) People who name their weed because they think it'll make it stronger

It's a drug. It gets you intoxicated. Some better than others. Naming it makes you sound like a pretentious cunt.

I've tripped a lot of times. From pouring milk for cereal to a glass of milk and hallucinating hardcore. People I get high with say I say stuff and then I don't even remember saying anything like that. Like me saying I jacked off when I was 4 years old and me talking to the fishes in the tank.
I've been pouring milk for cereal since I was able to lift the milk jug, and I can guarantee you that it has never made me hallucinate. If it were able to make me hallucinate, I'd be consuming a lot more milk and cereal. But it doesn't. Hence I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Furthermore, in most cases, hallucinations aren't memory lapses. Especially not ones that derive from pouring milk into cereal.

Um...my latest purchase was um...a nickel sack. You know Mary Jane, grass, skunk, herb, reefer, hash, chronic, pot. Lets make it easier. Weed! Marijuana! Also purchased was $60 worth of MickyD's burgers off the dollar menu. Hey! When your hunger, your hunger. Besides, I shared. (With like 2 other buddies)

Wait! Wait! It was a pretty funny scene. When I told the cashier guy I wanted 20 chicken burgers, 20 double cheese burgers and 10 hamburgers, he had that look on him face. You know. The WTF!!! 'Are you serious?' look. Then my friend say to him, "Hey man! I'm a little pissed and a little high, right now. So could you take my money and give me my food. Here a fifty dollars bill. Now get me my food." *slams a twenty dollar bill on the counter* Of course there was much more cursing involved. But I cleaned it up a bit.
Know what's awesome? Doing drugs and then being a prick to people who work for minimum wage. Who's the man now dog? Must be you...

Oh dang... You brought up a good one. Absinthe is distilled wormwood (sometimes mixed with vodka or wine as well) and used to be legal a long time ago(about 80-90 years ago, IIRC), so every so often you run into a real bottle(as opposed to the fake stuff we get now that just tastes like it).

It's prohibited to import or sell the real stuff in the U.S., but not controlled/illegal - so every so often you find a real bottle that someone has or acquired somehow.

No way to describe it - it's alcohol and it makes you feel and see things. And it's legal in most of the world as well. Only managed to try it once, but if you are in Europe on a trip - get ahold of some to try.
There is a way to describe it: being drunk.

The alcohol content of the absinthe is incredibly high, and is BY FAR the active ingredient in any drink made with it. The wormwood amounts are negligible, and anyone consuming absinthe in bulk will die from alcohol poisoning LONG before they would ever die from the wormwood. There is no effect beyond alcohol in a physiological sense. The fact that it's hard hard alcohol (usually over 60%) contributes to the confusion, perhaps, as even vodka is usually only around 40%.

Though... one time I had someone slip some acid in my drink in high school. Had the scariest waking dreams at night for the next three days. (walls distorting, feeling of being crushed under my covers, things clawing at my windows...) Not fun in any way. Not recommended if you aren't aware of it beforehand. Among the worst things you can do to someone as a "joke".
No, you didn't. Even if you did it wouldn't last three days. Even if it were a massive dose it wouldn't have lasted three days. And you almost certainly would have been unable to sleep or function for about a day. So I'm going to call a mighty 'bullshit' on this one.

Ugh, absinthe. Is it possible to have an allergy to this stuff? The first time I tried this, I got seriously ill--couldn't stop puking, don't remember several hours of the night, and had very nasty hangover-like symptoms the next day. Tried it again years later--even though I intentionally consumed a lot less than I did the first time I tried, I had the same crappy experience. Nobody else who drank from the same bottle had these problems. Why the hell doesn't it work for me? :boggled:
It's over 60% alcohol. You got really drunk, really quick, vomited, and blacked out. This happens with liquor.

ANYWAY, so at the end of the quarter, our 2 "teachers" decided to throw our class a party in their off campus apartment. You can only imagine what happened. So one student brought his 6 ft pipe down and got HELLLLLA smashed. So smashed that one of the TAs had to drive him back to his dorm. So I smoked for the first and only time from this 6 ft pipe only because I wanted to claim that the first and only time I smoked was from a 6 ft pipe. It sucked and I'm never doing it again and of course didn't get high, but yeah. That's my almost interesting story : ).
Then you didn't properly inhale it. Consuming 6 feet of smoke from even low-quality nonsense will get even regular smokers quite high. The myth about it 'not working' the first few times is complete and utter nonsense. It's a physiological reaction which is automatic and doesn't 'not happen' until the 4th time for some magical reason.

I have to say that Absinth was the coolest thing I'd ever done. It's absolute euphoria. I felt like... Imagine if every bill you ever had was paid off and you didn't have to worry a thing... and then everything you saw was exaggerated like 90 times. This is the only drug I can say, absolutely was awesome. Other drugs that make you see shit are usually so hard on your body that sometimes even one dose will kill you. Absinth is no cocacola but it's the wine cooler compared to the rest of shit. I recommend everyone try it once. Just don't drive. I remember just wanting to touch shit. Touching shit felt so good. Like just putting my hand on a desk was like "Omg this desk... it's like, hard. like really hard. Wow."
It's almost exactly like downing a boatload of 151! AWESOME! Being drunk when you're convinced it's 'different' is much like differently being drunk! I remember that time I got drunk on wine instead of beer, and it was as if I was really drunk! TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM BEER! Because it was wine.

And you'd be a total and complete fucktard if you drove after drinking absinthe, "It's only 60% alcohol, but it's totally different from drinking and driving!"

LSD is the safest drug (physically, not necessarily psychologically). It takes an insanely small dose to work, has no LD50 that I know of, and is brainlessly not-hard on your body. It'd be hard to consume enough psylocibe cubensis (one of the common hallucinogenic mushrooms) to OD as well. They're tough as in they make you nauseous, but certainly a fucking shitload less nauseous than 60% alcohol.

If you can be responsible about drinking/mild drugs, then I don't see why it should be illegal, btw. So be responsible!
If you can be responsible about driving drunk, then I don't see why it should be illegal!

Most people are not responsible. This thread is proof that people are fucking idiots when it comes to substances of any kind. They're illegal for that reason.

It's probably best that I don't, because apparently I have little drug tolerance. In the hospital, they gave me both Vicodin and morphine and let me tell you, I was FLYYYYYYIIIIIIING HIIIIIIIIGH in the SKYYYYYYYYYY.
Morphine is heroin without the lucidity. Same plant. Same opiates. Same almost exactly. It is supposed to knock you on your arse. Don't think it's indicative of your tolerance to other substances, because it probably isn't -- they dosed according to your body weight, and got it right.

Drugs are all overrated.

Perhaps I say that because I have a high tolerance for all drugs, prescribed or otherwise. They just don't work well on me =/
Bullshit. You have never used them appropriately then. The chance that you are tolerant to all different types of drugs equally is ridiculous, and so unlikely it hurts. More likely is that you convince yourself of this when it isn't true.

Absinthe is very strong and is usually diluted to about 1/4 or 1/5th strength and a lot of sugar is added as well. Essentially they serve it in a way that makes a finished product simmilar to Limoncello - roughly 50% Absinthe, 50% sugar, and then something to dilute it a bit. Straight, it's just too strong(60-70 proof is common). A little big goes a long way.
It's 60-90% alcohol. That's 120-180 proof. 60-70 proof is lower than vodka. You clearly know jack and shit about absinthe.

The Swiss stuff is better because it's more refined and less harsh, so I've heard - and sweeter.

Imagine being drunk with it being your mind as well as your body. :)

And, yes, some people are alergic to certain things in it/types - sometimes it's made with as many as a dozen other herbs and spices. Every maker has a slightly different formula so it seems.
You also clearly know jack and shit about how it's made. I suggest you go read wikipedia on the subject.

I smoke pot fairly regularly and I tried cocaine at New Year's.
Coke sucked though, I hardly felt anything since I didn't snort much and was drunk and high already, but felt weirdly hung over for a week.
That had absolutely nothing to do with the cocaine. But congratulations for scaring yourself away from it for no rational reason -- it's for the best if you think trying a new substance is best while already under the influence of two other ones.

Me and my friends were going to smoke something but instead the weed supplier put in some tabacco called Virigina slims or something. He told me to inhale it just very slowly because it's really strong. The other guy took a very deep hit because he thought it was weed. I did too, but I only inhaled very slowly. It still hurted my throat a lot. I don't know what the hell it was, but it made my body completely lose balance and I couldn't feel anything. It was wierd.
It's probably because taking a long breath of something that isn't oxygen will cause short oxygen-deprivation, combined with the effect of nicotine on a non-smoker.

[japanat]

:clap: Welcome back!

[ellie]

Mr. le Fou, that was pretty harsh of you. Mean to everyone! Now I am scared to comment on the thread in case of any outlash from you. I love that erowid site though, I've been going there for years before I ever tried anything new! I should go to you for drug advice if I ever need it, looks like.

However, I'll work through my fear of you to make a few short comments. Everyone experiences drugs in different ways, some drugs effect some people more or less than other people. I smoked pot for several years. I quit last October. I've done various other recreational drugs at other points in my life. I made some very bad mistakes while using drugs. I don't regret the things that I have done, because I think that they have helped shape who I am as a person, lame as that sounds. I've had a lot of experiences and met a lot of people that I wouldn't have been able to without drugs.

I still occasionally take unprescribed pills, but that's the extent of my drug useage these days. I had my fun in my younger days (haha...I'm only 21), and I don't feel the need to go back to the craziness of a few years ago. I got it out of my system, but I'm glad for the experience.

[anver]

...it's for the best if you think trying a new substance is best while already under the influence of two other ones.
I know it was not a good idea. I wouldn't do it again. My best guess is that my judgement was clouded by...something.

[h2orowe]

I know it was not a good idea. I wouldn't do it again. My best guess is that my judgement was clouded by...something.
It may have been the party atmosphere me thinks.



Also, I've come to the conclusion, besides being a good sleeping aid (or at least a sort of placebo effect for me thinking it is, and tricking my body to fall asleep) I don't like the "high" you get from codeine. It just made me really antsy and my skin felt numb.

[Y.T.]

I sometimes drink alcohol, though not because I like its effects, but because I like the taste of beer and wine.

I have been offered and smoked a joint, but it had absolutely no effect. Didn't feel any different. Tasted awful .. like anything that has burned.

[Baroness]

I only tried weed once or twice. Doing drugs isn't much of a turn on for me.

[Noata]

PLF...I think...I love you



Don't hurt me :[

[Pierrot le Fou]

Mr. le Fou, that was pretty harsh of you. Mean to everyone! Now I am scared to comment on the thread in case of any outlash from you. I love that erowid site though, I've been going there for years before I ever tried anything new! I should go to you for drug advice if I ever need it, looks like.
Not everyone -- just those who are regarding drugs as if they're the newest video game system, and bragging about them to their friends. I have no issue with having drug experiences, and in fact encourage the responsible and healthy use of recreational substances (within the limits of the law, of course), but the key words are 'responsible' and 'healthy.'

If you are researching what you're about to take on erowid before you do them, then good on you. You're doing the right thing, and you're being responsible. You'll have a better, safer, and more enjoyable time. That's the correct way to go about things (assuming you heed the advice and whatnot you read in said information).

And I'm not so good at giving 'drug advice' other than know what you're doing, how much you're doing, and how much is appropriate to do. Be sure you're with people you trust to take care of you if something goes wrong, and what some of the warning signs are that you may be in trouble. That's just common sense though.

I'm not trying to kill the thread and tell people not to share, I'm trying to say that there's a huge difference between talking about the time you ate mushrooms and ended up laying on your floor staring at the light while listening to Handel's Messiah at an absurdly loud volume while calling for the rapture, and bragging about how you were at a party and someone handed you a pill and you took it, and then things got weird for a few hours, but you don't know what it was.

The prior is amusing, the latter is just stupid.

[ZaichikArky]

OOOOH. SOMEONE'S ITCHIN' FOR ANOTHER BANNING ISN'T HE?!?!

WANNA FITE BITCH.

Anyway, welcome back. Mighty fine entrance*cough*.

Then you didn't properly inhale it. Consuming 6 feet of smoke from even low-quality nonsense will get even regular smokers quite high. The myth about it 'not working' the first few times is complete and utter nonsense. It's a physiological reaction which is automatic and doesn't 'not happen' until the 4th time for some magical reason.

I'm sure I didn't inhale properly enough... or inhale enough times. I don't know, and I don't really care. The last thing I EVER want to be is a stoner.I'd take smoking cigarette's to stoning it up any day of the week. Another reason I didn't inhale properly is simple because I couldn't. I'm not a smoker.

I hear that it takes a long time for a first time stoner to get high. Actually, the same this is said for all of my friends when they told me about their frist stoning experience. So maybe your logic is flawed in that sense? Of course I didn't get high... that was the first and only time I did it. I took a few puffs, but I have a high tolerance for alcohol, so i can only imagine the same for drugs.

And with my "stoner experience",I wasn't at all bragging, it was just amusing... the context of it, with the TAs throwing a huge party for their freshmen students XDD.

Don't be afraid of PLF, Ellie. He's more amusing than scary IMO : ). See, bashing all of us, while educating us is his way of being nice to us! Seriously >_>.

[Noata]

Unrequitted love

[Pierrot le Fou]

If you get X amount of THC in your system, where X is greater than the amount of THC required for intoxication, you will get stoned. This is a physiological fact. There is the (minute) possibility that you have an exceedingly high tolerance to it, or that your body works different physiologically, but pot does not change your body chemistry with 3 doses to suddenly alter the effect it has on you the 4th time.

Therefore, if you smoked and did not get high, there's a reason for it:
(a) You didn't do it properly (either by not inhaling it into your lungs properly, or long enough, preventing transfer of the chemical to your blood stream)
(b) It wasn't actually pot (meaning that there was nothing to get you high in it)
(c) You didn't have enough to get you high (such that the minor effects, if any, were too insignificant to notice)
(d) You were high and didn't realize

But it ain't because it doesn't work the first 3 times. That's just absurd.

[ZaichikArky]

I have a feeling that the reason it takes first-time potheads so long to get stoned is only reason a). That's because they're usually spending so much time coughing they can't get any of it to stay in their lungs. I mean, it IS smoking and kids nowadays would much rather smoke pot than cigarettes so generally the first time they try pot is the first time they smoke anything in general. Maybe it takes 3 tries not to cough it all up :p

[Pierrot le Fou]

If you inhale correctly, you'll probably cough. Even if you are a smoker, you'll probably cough. The smoke is heavy as hell, unfiltered (save for the bong water, I s'pose), and you're supposed to hold it in. If you inhale partially correctly, you'll get a bit into your lungs and cough eliminating the point. However, I don't think this really counts as having smoked, as, well, you failed at the actual smoking part, which tends to be crucial to the whole experience.

It's as if I'm about to get laid for the first time, go to put it in, and as soon as it touches her there, it loses its rigidity. That ain't sex. It's a noble effort, but it doesn't count.

[ellie]

I didn't get high the first several times I smoked. Actually, it was about 4 times...I think that seems to be a common number, but it totally depends on the person. Some of my friends got high the first time, some didn't. I didn't really smoke cigarettes before smoking pot, so I didn't know how to inhale correctly. It took me a couple of tries to figure it out. And smoking joints was much harder for me to get high than say a bowl. And I'm a one hitter on a bong, every bong I've ever smoked out of got me high with a single hit. I'm a lightweight.

[Jetsetlemming]

I'd imagine not knowing how to inhale to get high is a common thing.
That said, the first time I smoked pot, at heavy coercion from my step mom and older brother and sister, I did indeed get high. :blank: Only slightly because I just did enough to get them to leave me alone. It was enough to make the top of my brain feel warm and fuzzy and comedy central to actually be funny.

[Pierrot le Fou]

It's really easy to inhale -- you just breathe in. People, for whatever reason, don't want to bring non-air into their lungs, so they just suck it into their mouth instead. It ain't a straw, dear, it's to be inhaled.

Point being that anyone can inhale properly, as they do it 400,000 times a day (or however many breaths one actually makes it a day), they just need to do it with something in their mouth.

[CrazyAce86]

In Late Response To Mr. PLF:

On morphine alone I was okay. Slightly loopy, but okay. I must've been functioning well enough to have several shout matches with my mother.

It was the combination of Vicodin and morphine that had me out Pluto way. I don't know if the hospital got mixed up or something, but about an hour after they gave me the morphine the nurse came in with Vicodin and had me take it. I was 16, what the hell did I know? I barely had heard of Vicodin, let alone know what it was.

It was right before they released me, too, so they dumped me off on my parents' hands. >_<



I have a slightly on-topic curious question. Does anyone's response to meds depend on the kind of pain they have? I mean, obviously there's a difference between a headache and a serious head wound, but I mean minor pain. For me, I can take regular Tylenol for a migraine and I'm fine, however I can take 800 mg of Motrin and it doesn't do a lick for my back pain. WTF? (For the record, I've tried Tylenol and it didn't work. I had to keep moving up to larger doses. >_<)

[Jetsetlemming]

What you should do in that case, Crazy Ace, is injure your head to distract yourself from your back, then take the medicine that works on your head? :D

[h2orowe]

The first time I smoked pot I got high XD it was from one measly bong rip too. It just took a few minutes to set in. When it did, I could feel like each individual arm hair. :P Then I just listened to music for a half hour, ate Weinerschnitzel, and spent the rest of my time not knowing what the fuck to do on Guild Wars because I could only focus on the background and not my spells or health or mana or anything.


The second time, I had two friends over. We made pot tea, and it seriously took like.. almost 2 hours for it to kick in. We had eaten a lot earlier, so it did take a while. I was getting pissed because I consumed the second most out of the group, but nothing was happening to me. I made sure to hold the part of the water that had the actual parts of the leaf in my mouth to absorb the THC, but nothing happened.

Then, after their high left them, we decided to go downstairs and eat the rest of the dinner that my mom made. We figured it wouldn't hit me, so why not eat then? (We weren't gonna eat before because eating would make it take longer). My friend gets up to go to the door, and the floorboard cracks. I crack up because it made him sound like he was farting.

Now, when I say crack up, I mean... crack up. My friend was like "FUCKING FLOORBOARD" and that made me laugh even harder. My other friend saw me laughing and he started laughing really hard too because he figured it had probably finally hit me. He laughs like a monkey, so that just intensified my hysterical laughter. Then my friend who stepped on the floorboard, goes over to me, and tells me to STFU because I'm laughing too loud. Then he put a pillow over my face jokingly. I laughed harder. Finally I was laughing to the point where tears were coming out of my eyes because I started choking. I finally calmed down and was able to breathe; then we went downstairs to eat.

Nothing was really funny after that. I mean it was normal funny, but not like.. HYSTERICAL. We got back upstairs, and were watching something on TV, I forgot what exactly, then it COMPLETELY HIT ME. I felt like I was viewing things from a whole different area in my brain. When I looked at the TV, I'd close one eye, and have the open eye slightly above my arm, and I felt like I was watching a movie theater screen. It was awesome.

My friend would say something, then I'd respond to it, then I'd go off on a tangent, then off on a tangent of my tangent, then off on that tangent's tangent, and finally I'd be talking about nothing and I'd stop mid sentence and go "What the hell am I talking about, dude?". Then we ate a lot of snacks that the floorboard friend had bought for us (he spent 40$ that night XD 20$ on the weed, and 20$ on the snacks.). Then I was like.. still hungry, haha. So we were going to go downstairs. It took me forever to get off my bed. I was just so out of it.

We went downstairs and I was like "Dude, why'd you make me go downstairs?" and he was like "Because you wanted to get water.." and I was like "Oh yeah.." so I got some water and some crackers. I went upstairs and went back on my bed, and ate the crackers. I was expecting to eat a whole thing of them, but I ended up only being able to eat two, because they were the like.. hardest thing to eat ever.

Nothing else happened, because apparently I fell asleep, but I don't really remember falling asleep.

[Mastiker]

Is it possible for THC levels to be at a high level naturally in the body?

I've never smoked pot in my life, but I have most of those "trips" constantly. Not to mention I always have the munchies. And everything is hilarious... I've been known to laugh for two hours because my friend said "hey, wanna go get a pizza?"

edit: I've smoked pot, once, and I did it wrong XD That's what I meant. :P

[Trump]

Bullshit. You have never used them appropriately then. The chance that you are tolerant to all different types of drugs equally is ridiculous, and so unlikely it hurts. More likely is that you convince yourself of this when it isn't true.


OK, smartass, then how DO you make painkillers work better. How do you make liquor work better than drinking with an empty stomach?

Just because it is unlikely doesn't mean it isn't possible. It is also equally ridiculous to think you know, well, anything about me.

I'm not saying I'm tolerant to all types of drugs, but looking at my history I sure wonder. I've nver noticed the effects of a painkiller. Antihystemene's don't seem to work. Antiinflamatories never made much difference. I drink an average of zero caffeine every day but I can't tell a difference after a cup or two of coffee. It takes 4-6 shots on an empty stomach to get buzzed, and I really don't drink that often. It took a very high dose of steroids to get rid of my poison ivy. I tried everything short of accutane to get rid of my acne (from topicals to pills) yet none of that seemed to work. Hell, I woke up in the middle of my wisdom tooth surgury even though I was on anesthesia. Seriously, after all of that what would you think?

I sure as hell wouldn't attribute that to not knowing how to use them... but damn, you know everything don't you. Ass.

[Pierrot le Fou]

High tolerance and no effect are different worlds.

[japanat]

Hey, Trump, relax!

It's likely that you have higher than normal liver or adrenal function. You may also have high levels of the enzyme that helps break down alcohol (the one the Japanese are so famously lacking - can't remember the name). Everyone has different tolerances, different sensitivities both to foreign substances and even to pain. Like you, I woke up in the middle of surgery, listening to the sound of the bone drill when they were fixing my foot after a motorcycle accident. They upped the sedative and - Boom! - I was in night-night land again.

Everyone, if hit with high enough doses, will eventually feel it.

[c-rex]

I was wondering, OP9, what drugs have you all tried? I, myself, have tried marijuana, codeine, and various asthma medications. Only drugs I tried without doctor's permission were marijuana, and codeine though (codeine was prescribed, but I abused it.)

Share stories, please. Times you got caught, or if you were on a hallucinogen tell us about your good trips, your bad trips, etc.

I think (I'm gonna do research on this to make sure it's okay though) I will try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum sometime this Summer. I just need to find out where I can get some. I don't know if I will though.




Dear Joseph Rowe,
When trying out drugs please be sure to kill yourself with an overdose as opposed to ending up as a burn out sucking down my tax dollars via Welfare or a convict enjoying a warm bed and cable TV in a state pen on my dime. I much prefer that my tax dollars go to useful things like roads than to pay for a motorcycle gang to anally rape your felonious ass in San Quentin.

You could also do something with your life, as opposed to drugs and whining.

Thanks.

[Black fist]

Wow was that even remotely needed, that very and I mean shadowdeth type trolling you just did there. I really hope you had a bad day and just taking it out on everybody else and don't alway act like this.

[Stephy]

Although, I don't feel very happy or agree with Joey's interest in this, I do, however, feel that might have been a bit uncalled for and harsh, C-rex. Just a bit overboard. :P

Feels more like a flame than a contributing post. >_<;

edit: nevermind. Black fist beat me to it.

[MeneerDijk]

I think Black fist en Steph already did my work for me :P

C-Rex, i can't blame you for for hating drugs-abuse with a passion, i do too. But your comments sound too much like trolling to me. And do not add anything to this thread, so please stop it. Everyone has flaws, i bet you do too.

[Black fist]

I think its because everybody think they can do PLF like things, well you can't he is not flaming but saying his opinions. C-rex I hope you later go back and edit your post when you are in a better mood.

[h2orowe]

Thanks ye guys :')

[Black fist]

I owed you one from when you stuck up for me way back in my troll day against shadowdeth.

[Psychochink]

Hey, PLF's back. Heard a rumor that you skedaddled for good.

Here’s a question for those who actually have some knowledge of the science behind it and/or extensive experience (i.e. no, “This one time…” or “I know a guy that says…” anecdotes, thanks). Will a cigarette filter remove significant amounts of THC from the smoke, along with the tar? Because I’m a non-tobacco-smoker (unless I’m drunk) and the first few hits always destroy my lungs.

Besides, I’ll happily minimize that crap if I can get away with it. On the practical side, I recommend the ‘bucket’ method as a means for cooling the smoke. Done properly, it allows greater time for the smoke to cool before you suck it in than a bong does (a boon for those non-smokers or occasional users). The downside is that it’s more labor-intensive and means that you’re sucking in the entire cone in that one breath.

As far as first-time smokers taking longer to get high goes, I will throw in my two cents to reiterate that it’s rubbish, and most likely caused by a failure to inhale properly. As a matter of fact, as time goes by (and assuming regular use) you will need progressively more to get the same effect, as your body adapts physiologically to the effects of the drug. This applies to all drugs, of course, and is most easily illustrated by regular drinkers. I know that I, personally, could drink me-10-years-ago under the table, despite the former me being in superior physical condition.

On absinthe – get over it people, there’s tastier ways to get your buzz. To debunk once and for all, neurophysiology tells us that thujone (the active ingredient in wormwood) does not work on the cannabinoid receptors, but rather is a GABA receptor antagonist. Ergo, the only possible effect it could have would be to cause muscle spasms, not hallucinations. The fact that it’s about 120-160 proof is what fucks you up.

As far as anecdotes go, the one that I, personally, don’t seem to be able to live down was when I was drunk, stoned out of my gourd, hungry as a…a…a very hungry thing, and adamant that we needed to order pizza RIGHT THE HELL NOW. During this conversation the phone rang and I lunged manically for it screaming “THE PIZZA PLACE IS CALLING!”

I then grumbled while my mate explained to his girlfriend why I was insisting to her that I wanted her to bring over two pizzas and a garlic bread – and did she want us to send a beer back with the deliver dude? (We had a good relationship with one of the Dominos managers. He put up with our shit, we sent him beer when we were drinking.)

[Pierrot le Fou]

I'm just a figment of your imagination...

Yes, a filter will reduce your thc consumption. The filter absorbs smoke. The THC is contained within the smoke. If you have less smoke, you end up with less THC. Unless, of course, you smoke the filter (which isn't necessarily true, and foul at any rate).

If you are truly concerned about your lungs, buy a heat gun from a hardware store (costs about US$50 last I checked) and a non-plastic, non-heat-conducting (read: non-metal) pipe or somesuch to smoke it through. Though smoke is deceptive since it isn't really smoke so much as pot vapor, if such a thing makes any sense to you.

[jindojim]

OK, smartass, then how DO you make painkillers work better. How do you make liquor work better than drinking with an empty stomach?

Just because it is unlikely doesn't mean it isn't possible. It is also equally ridiculous to think you know, well, anything about me.

I'm not saying I'm tolerant to all types of drugs, but looking at my history I sure wonder. I've nver noticed the effects of a painkiller. Antihystemene's don't seem to work. Antiinflamatories never made much difference. I drink an average of zero caffeine every day but I can't tell a difference after a cup or two of coffee. It takes 4-6 shots on an empty stomach to get buzzed, and I really don't drink that often. It took a very high dose of steroids to get rid of my poison ivy. I tried everything short of accutane to get rid of my acne (from topicals to pills) yet none of that seemed to work. Hell, I woke up in the middle of my wisdom tooth surgury even though I was on anesthesia. Seriously, after all of that what would you think?

I sure as hell wouldn't attribute that to not knowing how to use them... but damn, you know everything don't you. Ass.

How to make liquor work better: take it with a sedative, since the combination has a synergistic effect. They act on the same receptors and are both considered depressants. Also, tolerance to one means a tolerance to the other. Of course, it's also very very likely that you will overdose, since the combination is well known to possibly lead to death.

How to make painkillers work better: take it with other analgesics. The result is often synergistic. However, this is often risky, since overdosing is quite possible at the hands of those who don't know the exact effect of combining drugs.

There are many factors in the effectiveness of drugs. Body weight is a major factor. So is height. If you are overweight to obese and/or of above average height, then it's a logical conclusion that you will need a higher dosage.

JAPANAT: the enzyme you're talking about is alcohol dehydrogenase. I wouldn't attribute high tolerance to overactive liver or kidney functioning though.

[spaik]

the ash and particulates from inhaling from a joint or such is also irritating as hell to the lungs. i recommend hotknifing. i used to do that with hash oil a lot when i was younger, because i didnt like the harsh smoke (ironic as i am a smoker too). ice water bongs with crushed icecubes is probably your best bet though. cools the smoke, along with filtering. the crushed ice is to break up the bubbles to get more surface area for cooling and filtering.

as for the pain question, apparently, opiates work relative to pain. ive heard that near lethal doses of painkillers would shut someone's system down if they were not in immense pain, but would not be fatal to those with trauma injuries. i'm no medical practitioner, so if anyone else has some more information, it'd help.

p.s. for my favorite hallucinogen, it'd ahve to be 2-ci just because of the 'feel good' vibe that it gives you (similar to MDMA, otherwise known as E). i've wanted to try 2-cb but it's been illegal much longer, so never got the chance.

[Trump]

I'm 5'10" and 185lbs. I'm not overweight by any means and I'm in good shape. I just save money and don't buy drugs hehe.

[insertwapanesenamehere]

There are safer ways to make pain killers stronger, like using benadryl. Heres a page on it: http://adhpage.tripod.com/potentiators.htm

[Pierrot le Fou]

Swell, tripod pages for drug advice. What's next, Bazooka Joe gum wrappers teaching about safe sex?

[Plekto]

Re: the Absinthe - I meant to say 60-70% alcohol. Typo by me.

Yes, it's not working on the same receptors as Pot. Different effect entirely - like well, your mind is also drunk(thinking happens in a sort of wobbly/random fashion is all I can describe it). It's subtle in any case unless you drink silly amounts of it, but the fact that it's basically like drinking 151, you max out on alcohol pretty quickly. Some people think ti's the ainse itself that does most of the effect, since that's the largest single ingredient after alcohol.

Van Gogh, Picasso, and many others quite possibly got their not quite life-like coloring and odd prespectives from this. (btw Van Gogh went mad mostly from family history and the heavy metals in the paints he was using, though being an alcoholic didn't help any, either, I'm sure) Of course, he drank almost to the point of alcohol poisoning quite regularly.

As for the Acid - no, I couldn't sleep or function very well the first day. Then the next two nights I had weaker but simmilar flashbacks. That night - definately was something affecting me. Zero sleep. You don't think and feel that hundreds of tires and other objects are falling on you and your covers are like lead and the lights in the hallway are going from bright(with huge halos and patterning) to dim every few seconds seconds without it being something like acid. Everything was also crooked - literally the walls were slanted. Undeniably halucinating. Totally believeable even though my mind said it failed the most basic reality checks.

Not fun at all. Contrary to what people tell you, Acid is risky because if you have a seriously bad trip, it's really really REALLY bad. As bad as say, having a gun in your face for a couple of hours, stress-wise(especially if you are alone). Your fear snowballs quickly. This is why you should never ever do acid alone, btw. Always have someone as a backup just in case.

I had bad dreams about that episode for years and still can't sleep with my bedroom windows uncovered(one of my few phobias - large spiders is the other). Here - try acid... develop phobias for free.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Absinthe is alcohol. Plain and simple. There is nothing about it more special than moonshine in a physiological sense. It's 99.99999% psychological if you feel there is a difference. And great, go with that, because your brain can produce some wonderful fake highs. But it ain't some magical creative juice which is a boon to artists. It's alcohol that's a boon to alcoholics -- or was at least.

Secondly, I sincerely doubt that you consumed acid. The length of time for an acid dose is NOT three days, and even those people who complain about extended flashbacks do NOT have them continuously over three days right after they come down. The people with serious life-altering flashbacks are few, far between, and typically long-term heavy users. Furthermore, a first-time user getting given it unaware would likely be beyond fucked in trying to understand what the Hell it was, what the Hell was going on, let alone have any clue of what they experienced afterwards in regards to type of hallucinogen.

You're trying to sound more worldly than you are. If you want to brag you have a 9" cock, I'm perfectly willing to let it go. When you start making shit up about potentially hazardous substances, it's not cool. Absinthe is alcohol. It will get you drunk. LSD is an incredibly safe (as it's non-toxic) substance which will screw with your brain on a temporary basis unless you take it very regularly for an extended period, and even then people come through it all fine.

DO NOT SPREAD BULLSHIT.

It is not right, it is not responsible, and it does not make you cool or popular. It makes people get into dangerous situations without knowing what the fuck they're doing, and end up doing really fucking stupid things as a result. People do not put acid in strangers' drinks. It doesn't make sense. At all. In any way. For a trillion reasons. If this had been done to you, then you would have an entirely different attitude toward the whole experience.

But instead you wear it as a badge of honour, adding it as an 'oh yeah' to a bunch of disinformation about absinthe. It's dishonest and dangerous. Quit it.

[jindojim]

LSD is an incredibly safe (as it's non-toxic) substance which will screw with your brain on a temporary basis unless you take it very regularly for an extended period, and even then people come through it all fine.

It has no harmful physiological effects. That is true. But, it does create random psychotic recurrances in a portion of users for months or even years. Why? Because it's a drug that remains in the cerebrospinal fluid, where it hardly gets metabolized.

It's not a drug to be labeled as "incredibly safe", as you are apt to point out. While it won't destroy your body itself, these recurrances could happen at very inopportune moments, which may in turn have negative effects. Not to mention, LSD is a very potent drug, in that an extremely miniscule amount (on the effect of a single microgram) can trigger a hallucinogenic episode.

I'd be more on the side of psilocybin (the active ingredient in "shrooms"), which don't seem to cause only a few post-usage psychotic episodes, if any at all.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Though the mushrooms that contain psilocybin are toxic, and can be overdosed on -- they also cause nausea (which is more an unpleasant side effect than anything serious).

[Plekto]

I'll also add that only a few months later did I even figure out what must have happened. Because several other people did also report odd happenings. When you hear kids at school laughing at how they spiked someone's drink, it's not hard to figure out. The administrators were quite upset as well. I don't know if they found the people or not, but they certainly tried. And, yes, people at my school DID routinely do shit like that. Welcome to L.A.

Shoot, kids would piss in someone's drink every other week if they didn't like them. Slash their tires. Set off smokebombs in their lockers. One kid even tossed a M80 down the toilet(must have been a waterproof fuse) and flushed it - and did a horrendous amount of damage. And I was probably one of the five least popular/most targeted people in school, being small, geeky, and such.

So yeah, I probably DO have an entirely different attitude than 95% of people. YMMV, obviously. You sound like you've had nothing but good experiences with it.

Most LSD is fine, so I hear - but when you get it without any knowlege and it hits you at night in a very cold, dark, and creepy house(built about 1920) - freaking out is entirely possible when you are 16 and have zero frame of refrence other than being drunk a couple of times.

Yeah - I had a bad experience, evidently. By three days I clarified that - I was having randomly recurring effects for that time. Not obviously "high" for three days. Now, I suppose it could have been something different than LSD, but I doubt it, given the happenings at school and the very very remote possibility that some high school kid would use something more exotic.

If you are with friends so I hear, though, it's almost always good. And sex while on it is supposedly fantastic. But it's definately possible to also have a bad experience, so it's not without some risk. But then again, so are all drugs. My ex, for instance, turns into a raving freak(in a violent way) when she gets hammered. I - I just go into a mellow daze. Totally opposite effects.

P.S.
I got this from a site online:
Dr. David E. Smith said (1967): Niethamphetamine crystals or 'speed' have appeared in great abundance in the Haight-Ashbury. Because of its small cost and ease of synthesis, it is often mixed with small quantities of LSD, and sold as 'pure acid'.

This mixture increases the likelihood of a 'bad trip', primarily due to the intense sympathomimetic effects of the amphetamines. The tachycardia, muscle tremor, and anxiety produced by 'speed' is often magnified by the LSD-sensitized mind into a panic reaction.
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It's quite possible that, like about half of all Pot you get, it was laced with something else like this or made improperly(improperly made it isn't LSD-25, but a combination of various other chemicals from the family, most all with bad properties). That description seems consistent with my experience.

This also is another reason why LSD can be dangerous - if you get some that's made badly or has other chemicals with it, you can get odd reactions. Of course, the same goes for Pot. Some of it is full of all sorts of bad stuff.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd07.htm
A good article on LSD.

[Kaji]

Worst I've really done is a couple drags off a cigarette. All of which probably totalled to one whole cigarette in my lifetime.

My dad and I seem to have high tolerances for painkillers in general. When my Dad was in the Marines and popped his shoulder, it took a full gram of codeine to have any effect based on what I've heard. Personally, almost no painkillers I've ever had that I can recall have had any effect without going in insanely high doses, prescription or non, outside of anything in the -caine family (novacaine, benzocaine, etc.). Not even Tylenol-3 had any real effect.

I've been under general anesthesia before (4 wisdom teeth all at once), but due to psychological reasons I freaked out under it, so instead of being sedated I unconsciously thrashed about and made all kinds of noise until they ripped the gas off halfway through the fist of the four teeth. The novacaine wore off during the third tooth, ended up going through the fourth and all the stitches on pure adrenaline. When dealing with the pain following the surgery, the only thing that worked was 4 caps of Advil, which kept having to go up, eventually getting to 8 caps every 2 hours before it stopped having any effect whatsoever.

These days Exedrin helps with most passing headaches though, thankfully.


If we're throwing alcohol into the mix, back in my stupid days I shot a large dixie cup of Absolut Vanilla like it was water, and then threw back about as much Wild Irish Rose (very cheap red wine) right out of the bottle practically right afterward. My alcohol tolerance is such that I generally have a very high psychological tolerance for it, but my physical tolerance is very low (as it was explained to me, my body quickly metabolizes alcohol to the phase where it becomes toxic, but practically halts afterward). Yay for near-death experiences!

[SlickWilly440]

I have never done drugs in my entire life. Never smoked or drank. Am I really missing out here?

Has anyone ever done the harder stuff like crack and meth, you know like injecting with a needle or smoking it with a Straight Shooter?

[Pierrot le Fou]

Dr. David E. Smith said (1967): Niethamphetamine crystals or 'speed' have appeared in great abundance in the Haight-Ashbury. Because of its small cost and ease of synthesis, it is often mixed with small quantities of LSD, and sold as 'pure acid'.

This mixture increases the likelihood of a 'bad trip', primarily due to the intense sympathomimetic effects of the amphetamines. The tachycardia, muscle tremor, and anxiety produced by 'speed' is often magnified by the LSD-sensitized mind into a panic reaction.
***
It's quite possible that, like about half of all Pot you get, it was laced with something else like this or made improperly(improperly made it isn't LSD-25, but a combination of various other chemicals from the family, most all with bad properties). That description seems consistent with my experience.

This also is another reason why LSD can be dangerous - if you get some that's made badly or has other chemicals with it, you can get odd reactions. Of course, the same goes for Pot. Some of it is full of all sorts of bad stuff.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd07.htm
A good article on LSD.
Ignorant ignorant ignorant.

Most pot is not laced. Why? Because it makes no sense. Pot is relatively cheap, and to lace it with something that will have an effect even if smoked is more expensive, and will result in profit loss for the person dealing it.

Acid, on the other hand, requires such a small quantity to be effective that lacing it with another drug is INCREDIBLY difficult because there are few drugs potent enough that with a dose that small would provide any real effect.

You're reading bullshit lies about drugs, and you're passing them off as fact. You do not understand them. You are simply looking for shit to back up your (faulty) beliefs.

Go take the quiz on the good drugs guide (http://thegooddrugsguide.com/) and see how much you actually know. Or read erowid like I told you.

But at any rate stop lying and spreading crappy drug propaganda that tries to scare people with its inaccuracy.

[Psychochink]

I’m a pretty tolerant person - I’m willing to forgive people their ignorance. When it crosses the line to wilful ignorance, however, that pisses me off.

Re: the Absinthe…Yes, it's not working on the same receptors as Pot. Different effect entirely - like well, your mind is also drunk(thinking happens in a sort of wobbly/random fashion is all I can describe it).

Has it become a matter of pride for you now to keep insisting that you know what you’re talking about and try to look like some kind of drug authority?

Unless you’ve done the drugs that we’re talking about (regularly, not “This one time…”) and/or are in a position to cite credible sources for your information, all you’re doing is spreading disinformation – which hardly allows people to make decent, informed, choices.

That’s why I haven’t chimed in on the LSD argument, because I make it a point not to say anything unless I know what I’m talking about.

No more absinthe arguments:
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~mcb165/lachenmeier_2005_thujone.pdf
http://www.foodsciencecentral.com/fsc/ixid14644
http://www.substanceabusepolicy.com/content/1/1/14

Note the year of publication as well, I’m not interested in articles from the 19th century about the effects of thujone – which is where all these rumours started, you know.

It's quite possible that, like about half of all Pot you get, it was laced with something else like this...

Yay, another urban myth. Yes, very occasionally your pot might be laced with something. This generally only occurs when you have a regular customer that you are trying to move up to bigger and more expensive things.

It is not something that is common, and certainly not anywhere near 50%. Even if you do have limited experience with the drug industry, simple common sense should tell you otherwise.

I have some weed and some, harder substance. Do I:
a) combine the two, just for the hell of it and sell it as weed?; or
b) sell them separately and make a bunch more money out of it instead of pissing it away?

Hmmm…I wonder…

Laced weed is sometimes sold deliberately, but it is a more specialty item and you will be paying for it.

DO NOT SPREAD BULLSHIT

What he said.

[anver]

Secondly, I sincerely doubt that you consumed acid. The length of time for an acid dose is NOT three days, and even those people who complain about extended flashbacks do NOT have them continuously over three days right after they come down.
A friend's mother told me that back in the 80's, the most expensive stuff you could get did indeed get you high for several days. This might be anecdotal second hand evidence, but I don't see any reason not to believe her.
And since Plekto was sixteen twenty years ago, I do think that it's possible that he was indeed under the influence of LSD.

Just my two cents.

[Pierrot le Fou]

I hope to God you have a sense of humour and you're taking a pot shot at Plekto anver, because if you're serious...

[jindojim]

There are a lotta substances that can be labelled "toxic", if enough of it is injested. For instance, apple seeds contain cyanide, but you don't hear about people dying of ingesting apple seeds. The same can be said about "magic mushroooms", which are toxic to some extent (due to their physiological effect of nausea). However, no one has died of overdosing on psilocybin, so, while the risk is present, it would take a very foolhardy person to ingest enough for the quantity to be lethal.

There's all the unpleasantness, with any hallucinogen, of experiencing a "bad trip". While not damaging to the body itself, it is one thing that may turn people off from the drug.

I'm not defending "magic mushrooms" and encouraging their usage, but it's probably one of the "safer" drugs (if one can call it that).

[anver]

I hope to God you have a sense of humour and you're taking a pot shot at Plekto anver, because if you're serious...
I know jack shit about LSD and even less about LSD in the eighties, so for all I know she was telling me the truth. Of course, it's just as possible that she wasn't. If you know it to be wrong, show me some proof and I'll believe you.

And I do indeed have a sense of humour. It's strange, but it's there.

[insertwapanesenamehere]

That is DO*, it has properties from both tryptamine and amphetamine drugs. If not DO*, then it's something else along those lines. I forget what they used to sell as LSD back in the day, but I know there were cases of such things as back as woodstock. Remember kids, avoid the brown acid! ;p

Edit: PLF: I know I know, but most of that information is correct and I'm too lazy to find more reputable sites. In fact, the one I remember looking at that was, had less information than that one.

[SlickWilly440]

For instance, apple seeds contain cyanide, but you don't hear about people dying of ingesting apple seeds.

So lets say I have stored up pounds and pounds of appleseeds over the years, how would I extract the cyanide?

[Pierrot le Fou]

There are a lotta substances that can be labelled "toxic", if enough of it is injested. For instance, apple seeds contain cyanide, but you don't hear about people dying of ingesting apple seeds. The same can be said about "magic mushroooms", which are toxic to some extent (due to their physiological effect of nausea). However, no one has died of overdosing on psilocybin, so, while the risk is present, it would take a very foolhardy person to ingest enough for the quantity to be lethal.

There's all the unpleasantness, with any hallucinogen, of experiencing a "bad trip". While not damaging to the body itself, it is one thing that may turn people off from the drug.

I'm not defending "magic mushrooms" and encouraging their usage, but it's probably one of the "safer" drugs (if one can call it that).
Actually, depending on the strain of mushroom and the quantity consumed, it is possible to overdose on the non-psylocibin things contained in the mushrooms. If you extract psylocibin then that's a different story (and it's a pretty safe alkalide, as these things go, from what I understand), but it's certainly no safer than LSD considering current research.

The fact that there are no reported cases of persistent hallucinations from psylocibin alone is semi-deceptive. The fact is that most people with large amounts of experience to hallucinogens have tried LSD, and tend to use it more frequently than psylocibin. Why? Because it's cheaper, safer, stronger, and more easily found than mushrooms. It takes a tiny dose, a dose is cheap as dirt, it can be made in a lab, the strength is understood from the get-go, and it also manages to evade the whole unpleasant effects of eating foul-tasting mushrooms with several other non-hallucinogenic alkalides.

So if the majority of heavy users are using LSD, then wouldn't it make sense that recurring hallucinations would come from that group? Correllation does not necessarily indicate causation.

I know jack shit about LSD and even less about LSD in the eighties, so for all I know she was telling me the truth. Of course, it's just as possible that she wasn't. If you know it to be wrong, show me some proof and I'll believe you.
www.erowid.org
www.thegooddrugsguide.com

If you still aren't happy, go to lycaeum.org which is far more scientific about the whole thing.

[Plekto]

Note - Lycaeum backs up some of what I was saying. Giving it to people who are unaware of its effects almost always results in a horrible reaction, since they tend to think they are going crazy instead of tripping. And a typical 16 year old with verbally abuseive parents who are control freaks - you know - the typical teenage hell - isn't very stable to begin with.

Again - it didn't last *three whole days.* It was... kind of how you are when you drink a lot and you wake up the next day drunk. It's not like - oh... flip a switch and everything is fine - you're still slightly drunk and hungover. Substances that cause halucinations or altered states of mind tend to have a sort of ripple effect as things quiet down. From what I've read, you can get lingering efects on a small scale for several days from a large dose of LSD.

Now, LSD is probably fine, but then again, so is alcohol in 98% of the cases. It's that 2% that tends to turn people off, though, or make them limit the amount(though with LSD, it looks to be very very hard to precisely dose it or know the quality/purity). And, IIRC, the mid 80s was the height of the period when they were experimenting with lacing drugs or trying to find other methods to increase the "high", because crystal meth, and designer drugs were virtually unknown for another 3-4 years. Even crack wasn't that common yet.

Kind of an odd side effect of the increase of harder-core drugs lately seems to be that the cheaper stuff is pretty pure as of late, or so I've heard. There's little incentive to experiment with it anymore.

But bad trips can happen, so like any drug, it's not the panacea of goodness and safety that some here would like to say it is - there's a tiny bit of hell lingering in the corner that you will likely never experience - but then again, you never know.

Someday I'll probably try it again to see how different it is as an adult in a more stable state of mind.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Note - Lycaeum backs up some of what I was saying. Giving it to people who are unaware of its effects almost always results in a horrible reaction, since they tend to think they are going crazy instead of tripping.
Nobody ever argued that giving it to someone unaware was a good idea. Does the site also say that it lasts for 3 days? No? Didn't think so. Stop spreading misinformation.

Now, LSD is probably fine, but then again, so is alcohol in 98% of the cases. It's that 2% that tends to turn people off, though, or make them limit the amount(though with LSD, it looks to be very very hard to precisely dose it or know the quality/purity). And, IIRC, the mid 80s was the height of the period when they were experimenting with lacing drugs or trying to find other methods to increase the "high", because crystal meth, and designer drugs were virtually unknown for another 3-4 years. Even crack wasn't that common yet.
You have no idea what you're talking about. AT ALL. Alcohol and LSD are incredibly dissimilar substances with very little in common.

LSD is a chemical compound which has typically been made by college students in labs who know exactly how pure it is, because it's a chemical compound with a strength directly related to the ingredients/method used. Mushrooms (or other organic substances) have varying strengths depending on strain, time collected, method used to dry/store them, etc.

And LSD has been around for a long time, MDMA (Ecstacy) was being used during the 1980's, metamphetamines have been abused since WWII, and yet again you have no idea of which you speak.

Kind of an odd side effect of the increase of harder-core drugs lately seems to be that the cheaper stuff is pretty pure as of late, or so I've heard.
You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. There is nothing irrational about this at all.

But bad trips can happen, so like any drug, it's not the panacea of goodness and safety that some here would like to say it is - there's a tiny bit of hell lingering in the corner that you will likely never experience - but then again, you never know.
Whoever said it was a great thing that everyone should do? Certainly not me. I said it was an incredibly safe drug as far as toxicity is concerned. Which LSD is. I also suggested that people research what they do. Why don't you go do that?

Again - it didn't last *three whole days.* It was... kind of how you are when you drink a lot and you wake up the next day drunk. It's not like - oh... flip a switch and everything is fine - you're still slightly drunk and hungover. Substances that cause halucinations or altered states of mind tend to have a sort of ripple effect as things quiet down. From what I've read, you can get lingering efects on a small scale for several days from a large dose of LSD.
You don't know what you're talking about.

Shoot, I remeber kids joking in college a few years later about doing a dozen hits at a Grateful Dead concert(1990) - and taking days to get fully back to normal. Then again, I've heard simmilar stories about raves - probably half BS, but then again, there's the 1 in 1000 that ODs on their first hit of X as well...
Yeah! Anecdotal evidence!

Shut up. Research. SHUT UP.

[Plekto]

My pont about Alcohol and LSD wasn't about their simmilarities in effect, but in that they both have a small ugly side that's a real beast for some peolpe. My ex, for instance, literally turns into a raving screaming freak when she gets hammered. Some people even go over the edge and do things like start bar fights and such.

And some peolpe have bad trips. 98% of the time, though, both are safe and fine, but when those bad effects do happen, it's powerful enough to make people think twice in most cases about doing it again. "Damn that really, REALLY sucked"(or say, waking up in Vegas, married to some stranger - don't laugh, it happens more often that you'd believe) tends to make you think twice the next time. Both have a very random quality to them in how people react to it.

As for the effects, I had two roommates in college who did it quite often. (they were the DeadHeads I mentioned) - it wasn't anecdotal - I saw them wasted every other weekend on LSD or simmilar substances. Most of my experience comes from them. Considering that they'd taken LSD at least 50 times each in the last 4-5 years before I even met them, I tend to believe them. They also definately agreed that my story made sense - that there was a lot of sketchy acid around in the 80s(remember - this was 15-20 years ago). But they also said that even if it was pure, it was definately possible to have lingering effects for a day or two, especially after your first time.

If you want, I'll locate a nice article or two about lacing drugs written during the 80s. It was far more common then than it is now. But I shouldn't need 5 urls to make my point, either. Sheesh. Chill out. This is supposed to be a fun place and you're acting like I just stepped on your dog or something.

[Jetsetlemming]

Plekto, quit while you're far, far behind.
>_>

[jindojim]

I am talking about the strain that actually contains psilocybin, Psilocybe semilanceata. I'm not sure what source you're using, but from what I've read, it's not a very toxic mushroom at all, including all non-active compounds. There is one other mushroom, the fly agaric, that is also considered a hallucinogen. However, that mushroom is highly toxic, and its active ingredient doesn't even work on the same neuroreceptors as psilocybin.

Furthermore, psilocybin acts on 3 specific neuroreceptors, where it mimics serotonin. LSD has a higher affinity for dopamine receptors and acts on a very broad range of neuro and adernoreceptors (including serotonin receptors to a minor degree). While your point is valid, in that reported recurrences of a psychotic episode are higher for users of LSD simply because more people use it, it's also reasonable to believe that the way the drug works in the body and its affinity for such a broad range of receptors is responsible as well.

[Pierrot le Fou]

My pont about Alcohol and LSD wasn't about their simmilarities in effect, but in that they both have a small ugly side that's a real beast for some peolpe. My ex, for instance, literally turns into a raving screaming freak when she gets hammered. Some people even go over the edge and do things like start bar fights and such.
I am absolutely flabbergasted. Are you truly this stupid? Are you next going to compare paper and LSD, because paper cuts are a small ugly side that is a real beast for some people? Or how about lactose for the lactose intolerant folk! Ooooooooh, or sugar for people with diabetes!

You're comparing apples and oranges, because you just don't have a clue. READ UP ON IT.

And some peolpe have bad trips. 98% of the time, though, both are safe and fine, but when those bad effects do happen, it's powerful enough to make people think twice in most cases about doing it again. "Damn that really, REALLY sucked"(or say, waking up in Vegas, married to some stranger - don't laugh, it happens more often that you'd believe) tends to make you think twice the next time. Both have a very random quality to them in how people react to it.
Yes, and some people get papercut. This is irrelevant to ANYTHING in this topic. I have said that LSD is not toxic enough to be a physical danger due to its toxicity. Potatoes are more poisonous than LSD. Calling the effects of drugs 'random' is also one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever heard. Random is how people will react to them, not what the drug does (since drugs are pretty dandy things which tend to follow chemical laws and the like). This is like saying cars are 'random' because you never know when someone driving one will be drunk!

As for the effects, I had two roommates in college who did it quite often. (they were the DeadHeads I mentioned) - it wasn't anecdotal - I saw them wasted every other weekend on LSD or simmilar substances. Most of my experience comes from them. Considering that they'd taken LSD at least 50 times each in the last 4-5 years before I even met them, I tend to believe them. They also definately agreed that my story made sense - that there was a lot of sketchy acid around in the 80s(remember - this was 15-20 years ago). But they also said that even if it was pure, it was definately possible to have lingering effects for a day or two, especially after your first time.
Most of my experience comes from reading articles, reading medical reports of the effects, reading dosage information, reading what should be expected when one takes acid, what the long-term effects on heavy users is, and what the dangers are short-term.

I'll take that over the ramblings of a couple deadheads who were wasted on LSD 'or similar substances' every other weekend. Forgive me for actually being intelligent about this, of course.

Stating that something was 15-20 years ago does not change the facts any -- idiots buy drugs whose quality they know naught of, from people they are not sure they can trust. Would you also buy vicodin off the internet from a Russian merchant, or provide a wealthy Nigerian with your bank details?

If you want, I'll locate a nice article or two about lacing drugs written during the 80s. It was far more common then than it is now. But I shouldn't need 5 urls to make my point, either. Sheesh. Chill out. This is supposed to be a fun place and you're acting like I just stepped on your dog or something.
NO, it really wasn't more common. It was propaganda. It was the 'War on Drugs.' It was the age of D.A.R.E, rumours about how 'one hit can kill you' and the 'this is your brain on drugs' ads. That is not the same as reliable information.

You go on what you've heard. I go on what the truth is. You lost, you lose, and what's worse is you refuse to educate yourself so that you don't keep making the same fuckups.

And the worst part? You are spreading dangerous misinformation to people who aren't old enough to necessarily know better.

Don't make shit up, or spew bullshit, and try to pass it off as fact. It is not acceptable or cool.

[Pierrot le Fou]

There are several different strains of 'magic' mushrooms containing hallucinogenic alkalides. The most common, from what I understand, is psylocibe cubensis though other mushrooms (like 'Liberty Caps' in the UK) accomplish much the same thing though with a different mix of alkalides (which affect the reaction of your body to the psylocibin from what I understand, and change the effects). Fly agaric isn't as toxic as suggested, but certainly more toxic than 'magic' mushrooms.

I would look up more details for you, but I'm at work, and I don't think that'd be such a good idea -- even during my lunch break.

[Black fist]

You don't fuck with PLF, he will try to bring you up to his level of intelligence then he will embarrassed you and smash you back to reality.

[jindojim]

Well, what I would be interested in seeing is a research article showing that it is possible to overdose on a mushroom of the genus Psilocybe. All mushrooms in this genus contain psilocybin, which is the primary active compound responsible for the mushroom's hallucinogenic properties. If any other species-specific psychoactive compounds (if any at all) are present in a particular Psilocybe mushroom, they will have only a miniscule effect when compared to the effect of its psilocybin.

When I mention "magic mushrooms", I'm only referring to those that contain psilocybin. Fly agaric mushrooms didn't initially come to mind, although it's psychoactive compound, muscimol, could be considered hallucinogenic to some extent.

(Btw, I think you mean "alkaloids", not "alkalides".)

[Pierrot le Fou]

I do mean alkaloids, my apologies.

The way I understand it (read: what I've read according to the research available) there is a different aspect of the hallucinogenic experience/physiological reaction depending on the type and quantity of alkaloids in the mushrooms consumed. Certain alkaloids have a habit of strengthening or weakening the effect of the psylocibin, and also have different effects on the body as well either in combination or alone (much like the alkaloids present in various hallucinogenic cactii/cactuses/whatever the hell multiple cactus are called).

At any rate, I recommend you check out erowid.org in the mushrooms section, because they have quite a fair bit about different varieties, and the like. Let's also establish that by overdose I do not necessarily mean die, I mean 'suffer an ill reaction due to overconsumption of something toxic.'

Fly agaric mushrooms aren't quite hallucinogenic in the same way, but they certainly do have a similar effect in some ways.

[Masa the Masta]

Sorry to revive an old thread, but I've come across an opportunity to obtain a legal medical marijuana ID card through legal ways.



I've never done weed before, and I've done my research. I live in California, so if I managed to get one, I could legally according to the State of California, possess and cultivate Marijuana of up to 8 ounces.

Unfortunately, Federal Law does not recognize this so if I'm ever found out by a federal agency, then I'll be screwed as Marijuana is still considered a drug with no medical side effects.




...Should I do it? Medical Marijuana is cleaner, so getting a lung infection from getting a bad moldy product is very unlikely. Marijuana also produces less carcinogenic effects as tobacco products. I see it as insurance that in the event I DO try marijuana in the future, I'll have some sort of defense (the price of obtaining one seems to be about 150, which pays for the evaluation). Having something is better than nothing, I think.

If I buy it, it means I'm planning on it (though I don't know when). My only real fear of course, is getting caught and getting dependent on it.

Logically I'm telling myself however, that the effects are no stronger than alcohol (something I use already), and I'll probably not get hooked on it. I went through the DARE program, so the idea of being addicted to weed haunts me, despite the fact that I'm trying my best to see it like alcohol; I'm not addicted to it at all and I can definitely turn down a beer if I need to. If I'm as careful with marijuana as I am with alcohol in evading getting caught (as it is I only drink once every six weeks or so, it's very infrequent), then I get the feeling I won't get caught at all.

I just need other opinions. I've researched it thoroughly but I personally feel MUCH better if I hear other people's experience.

[Jetsetlemming]

Honestly, IMO you'd be better off just trying a nickel off some high school guy on the corner, pay $10, and be done with it. Get the "OMG I'm missing out on something potentially fun" instinct out of your system.

[Pierrot le Fou]

My recommendation is not to cultivate it yourself. Talk about a recipe for disaster. While it may be legal to cultivate for personal use, the second anyone else so much as touches it, you could get nailed for possession with intent to distribute or somesuch, which would be far worse than simple possession with the illegal variety.

[Masa the Masta]

I don't think I'd cultivate it myself.

I'd rather just buy it from a "Caretaker", or people who basically are allowed to sell product to medical marijuana patients.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Then go ahead, knock yourself out. Better for you than alcohol.

[Masa the Masta]

That's what I'm trying to tell myself. Like I said though, breaking years of social engineering (oops, I mean the DARE program) is really tough. I still feel a little paranoid about it.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Then don't do it. If you're paranoid, why bother? If you want to, go ahead. I'm not going to convince you to do it or not to, just saying that you should do what you want, as it's your choice. Better to abstain (because it's bad for your health) in some ways, better to partake (because it's a legal chance to do what most people choose to do illegally) in others.

[Firefly]

I kindof agree with Jetset, if you're looking to just "try it" to get it out of your system...you're better off finding someone who can get you a nickel bag or something, and obtaining GOOD stuff in California is NOT hard to find, not hard at all...

I have NEVER done any drugs before, besides alcohol, and the other week I ended up smoking pot...and I didn't die, I'm not addicted, I'm not in my room getting stoned every night. A lot of people who end up this way have kind of that mindset/personality before they even start drugs, honestly.

Eh, I'll talk to you more about this on MSN next time you're on.

[japanat]

Masa,

Not to pry, but... Do you really have a medical condition that requires medicinal marijuana? If not, $150 seems a bit of a waste to try it out, when you don't even know if you'll like it or not. And if you're paranoid about it, why try? Being paranoid is likely to flavor your high, and make it much less enjoyable.

And smoking anything long-term can cause health issues. Even though pot doesn't have all the added chemicals of packaged cigarettes, it's still smoke. Smoke inhalation blocks the O2 receptors in the blood, which actually have greater affinity for CO. Obviously, one joint isn't gonna hurt you, but it actually is on a par with untainted tobacco. Of course, it isn't physically addictive the way that nicotine is...

[Jay]

Drugs are fun. Kids, don't try needles.

Oh, and if you can manage to get your hands on some acid, that's one thing you've got to try once. Then go and watch Cirque Du Soleil. You know how the background is all black so they seem to be floating on air? Enhance that about seventy basquillion times.

Other than that, Mary Warner likes to play havoc with my insides.

[InSo]

I began smoking weed occasionally in college, sneaking out at night to toke up with friends on the streets hehe good times.

Then at 19 I went to live out at university, and well in my first term i smoked insane amounts of weed, tried some cocaine (awesome but not worth the money really, its for the rich lol), and I tried some E too. E is amazing stuff, the high is just incredible and it makes for some real nights to remember.

Well I've toned down my weed smoking to get more work done at uni now, but all in all, I'm glad I've discovered the drugs that I have, so much fun and great memories.

Anyone else here discovered the magic that is Ecstasy?

[ミュー]

Shopping list:
Marijuana
Opium
Hash
Vicodin
Morphine
Oxycontin

The pills I take when I'm sick, but not on a perscription... they just make me not care about the sickness (which is rather convenient). I take Morpine pills in particular on Transpacific flights (lol, no jetlag). I smoked Opium and Hash a few times in high school, and they were pretty awesome but I didn't have the money to finance a serious addiction. I quit weed a few months ago because I don't want to go to Japanese prison and my g/f disapproves of it. Coolest experience was Opium, ancient Chinese gods spoke to me and told me how to lay the mack down. I literally became popular with the ladies after that experience... it was some crazy shit!

[ellie]

If you are travelling, is there any way they (they being the security guys) can find out if you have illegal pills with you? Like if you were to put, say, percocet, into a tylenol bottle, there is basically no way they would discover that, right? Um, totally just wondering...

[Pierrot le Fou]

Yes. There most certainly would be. Especially with opiates (painkillers specifically), and likely any sort of amphetamine or downer.

So don't do it.

[ellie]

Wait--really? How would they know? If it's in a carry-on, it goes through the xray thinger, but it would just look like a bottle of tylenol. If you had like 4 percs in the bottom and rest full of tylenol, would they really be able to tell? There's no drug dogs sniffing for things (can they even smell pills?) at our tiny airport, so how could they tell?

[Pierrot le Fou]

Because drugs have smells that drug-detecting dogs can pick up on. Even if the bottle is sealed, there will be the smell of it on your hands and the outside of the bottle, because you handled it. Even if your local airport doesn't have them, that doesn't mean the airport you're going to won't.

There are ways around this, but seriously, do you think it's worth it? Drug smuggling is not a smart idea.

If it's a domestic flight, you're less likely to get screwed than an international flight, but it still isn't a good idea. Do you really want to take the risk? Furthermore, if you try to smuggle them in a Tylenol bottle, it means that you will obviously be trying to hide it, which makes it worse if you get caught, and it will make you nervous with security which makes you far more likely to get caught and searched.

Security/customs agents are very smart people who know what they're doing. You either have to be very brave, very smart, or very naïve to get away with smuggling drugs. And it will almost never be worth it.

[ミュー]

So does that mean I win at smuggling drugs?

word to your mother, Senor Escobar

I cannot disagree with Le Fou's suggestion that it is traceable, but I can confirm that the US and Japan totally failed at catching the lesser known Mew Montana on a few of his international coke runs. :P (not really, don't put me on ze no-fly list plskthx)

I DO disagree with his assumption that airport security possesses this "cunning" that is mentioned however, as I have yet to encounter Sherlock and his goons...

[Pierrot le Fou]

The honest fact is that most of the drugs that people smuggle get through. However, plenty of people still get caught. And trust me, it's not as if they're going to go, 'oh, it was just 4 percocets, be on your way' because you've violated a bunch of laws in a federal jurisdiction (the airport) which compounds your trouble domestically, or violated laws of a country you're visiting, which is going to suck.

I'm not going to help the people in this thread learn how to smuggle drugs more intentionally, but I do know a Japanese customs agent who has explained, in depth, how most people get caught. If you make it though, a large part is luck. It's just not worth it.

[ミュー]

The honest fact is that most of the drugs that people smuggle get through. However, plenty of people still get caught. And trust me, it's not as if they're going to go, 'oh, it was just 4 percocets, be on your way' because you've violated a bunch of laws in a federal jurisdiction (the airport) which compounds your trouble domestically, or violated laws of a country you're visiting, which is going to suck.

I'm not going to help the people in this thread learn how to smuggle drugs more intentionally, but I do know a Japanese customs agent who has explained, in depth, how most people get caught. If you make it though, a large part is luck. It's just not worth it.

Since I might have just encouraged some random OP9ers to smuggle pills, let me go ahead and say this. Don't bring a bunch of shit over here trying to sell it, or you will get caught. I brought a small, well-concealed medicine arsenal *once* and was okay, but you waltz through an X-ray machine with a jar of X tabs then you're pretty fucked. Nowadays if it's a less-than-kosher sleeping med, take it before the checkpoint and hope you don't pass out while walking to the gate like me :P