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Roxie
01-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Anyone else hear about this?

ATLANTA (AP) - Police say a British historian was handcuffed, thrown to the ground and jailed because he refused to obey a uniformed officer's order to use a crosswalk and wouldn't show identification.

The historian says he had no idea the upset young man was a police officer.

"Where I'm from, you don't associate young gentlemen in bomber jackets with the police. But he was extremely upset I had questioned his bona fides," said the historian, Felipe Fernandez-Armesto, a professor at Tufts University in Massachusetts and expert on colonial history.

Mayor Shirley Franklin has asked for an investigation to make sure procedures were followed.

Fernandez-Armesto, 56, was arrested Jan. 4 while in Atlanta for the American Historical Association's convention.

Officer Kevin Leonpacher said he was in uniform as he directed pedestrians to use crosswalks in front of the downtown Hilton Hotel.

He said Fernandez-Armesto shrugged him off, walked away and repeatedly refused to show an ID after the officer told him to stop and warned him he could be arrested, police said.

Other officers helped him handcuff the historian. According to Leonpacher's report, the professor said: "Well now I believe that you are the police."

Fernandez-Armesto said he suffered a gash on his forehead and a bruise on his wrist. He spent eight hours in custody, but the charges of jaywalking and disorderly conduct were dropped after he appeared in traffic court and said any arrest record could jeopardize his immigration status in the United States, police said.

Jaywalker's arrest a bust in Britain

By SHELLEY EMLING (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/01/17/mailto:semling@ajc.com), TY TAGAMI (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/01/17/mailto:ttagami@ajc.com)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/18/07

Some English newspapers are taking aim at Atlanta because a visiting history professor, who previously taught at Oxford, was arrested for jaywalking.

In London, the Evening Standard newspaper plastered news of the arrest of Felipe Fernandez-Armesto — accompanied by a photo of the handcuffed professor surrounded by several police officers — on its front page. The Mirror chided Atlanta police for their recent success in jailing "Public Enemy No. 1."


"The story of his arrest is, alas, likely to confirm an impression that Brits have of rough policing in the United States," said A.C. Grayling, a philosophy professor at the University of London. "It reminds people of the videos from California of a black suspect being beaten by police."
"Atlanta's reputation as a conference center might take a bruising," said Kathleen Burk, a specialist in Anglo-American relations at University College London.


An Atlanta police spokesman said the London media coverage has been one-sided. The department offered the police report of the incident to British reporters but they didn't print information from it, said Atlanta police spokesman Officer Joe Cobb.


"We don't feel that the officer's side of the story has ever been presented outside of Atlanta," Cobb said. "I'm not saying that the officer acted appropriately, but there are two sides to this story, and only one side is being told."


Mayor Shirley Franklin said she's concerned about the effect the overseas coverage could have on Atlanta's reputation as a "friendly" city with a rich civil rights history.


"Any incident that calls that into question is of concern to me, but I'm not in a position to address that" until the police investigation into the incident is complete, she said.
Fernandez-Armesto, a British historian now teaching at Tufts University near Boston, was attending a conference of the American Historians Association on Jan. 4 when he crossed Courtland Street in the middle of the block.


Atlanta Police Department officer Kevin Leonpacher, who was working a private security detail, said in an interview days after the incident that he stopped Fernandez-Armesto before he stepped into the street, directing him to the nearby crosswalk, but he said the professor ignored him. Fernandez-Armesto said in a separate interview that he didn't know Leonpacher was a police officer.


"When I questioned who he was, he said something to the effect of, 'When I give you an order, you obey it,' " Fernandez-Armesto said. "I asked him what his authority was because I didn't see a badge. Where I'm from, you don't associate young gentlemen in bomber jackets with the police. But he was extremely upset I had questioned his bona fides."


Leonpacher said when he asked Fernandez-Armesto why he didn't follow the instructions of a uniformed officer, the author shrugged him off and walked away.


"Five times I asked him to stop," the officer said. Leonpacher said he grabbed the professor's arm. Leonpacher then said he repeatedly asked Fernandez-Armesto for his identification, but the professor responded by asking for the officer's I.D.


"I told him, 'It's gonna be awful silly if I have to take you to jail for jaywalking,' " Leonpacher said.


Fernandez-Armesto was booked for disorderly conduct and detained for eight hours, an experience he said showed that "the Atlanta police are barbaric, brutal and out of control."
A judge dropped the charges against Fernandez-Armesto the day after his arrest. Police Chief Richard Pennington launched an internal investigation of the incident.


Maj. James Sellers, Leonpacher's commander, said he doesn't know when the investigation will end, but that it has slowed because some witnesses are out of town.


Burk, the University College London specialist in Anglo-American relations, said she was surprised that the incident took place in a city that for decades has enjoyed a reputation as one of the more enlightened municipalities in the United States.


"I'm afraid this only reinforced people's views over here of the violent methods sometimes in use in law enforcement there," she said.


Grayling said Atlanta has long had an image abroad of race riots, of "Southern attitudes" and, more recently, as a city full of American vigor and contrasts.


"I don't think the incident is an especially positive addition to the city's image, but the way the mayor and the judge behaved says a great deal about all the good things in America," he said.


There are some comments on the last article here
(http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/01/17/0118natjaywalk.html)

Roxie
01-19-2007, 10:25 PM
Also, here's the picture of the jacke the policeman was wearing. Which I can verify (being downtown almost everyday of my life since 2001) that it looks like a bomber jacket from the front and only says "Police" on the back.

Jetsetlemming
01-19-2007, 10:34 PM
hehehahahaha. He sure got a memorable experience to recount when he goes back home. :D We sure know how to treat tourists in America.

Cherub Rock
01-19-2007, 10:37 PM
Doesn't matter Roxie. When you visit another country you have to abide by their rules. Even if it is something as simple as knowing what police officers in the city that you are visiting wear, it's something you are expected to know. You can't just say "Well in my country yield signs look different" or "Police officers don't wear that type of uniform where I'm from." Sure it sucks, but this wouldn't be a story if it wasn't for the fact that this guy is a big shot former professor at Oxford.

Roxie
01-19-2007, 10:43 PM
My point is that anyone from anywhere, including myself, would have a hard time guessing that guy was a police officer from the front. It hides everything from shoulder to hip.

Also, I'm willing to be he knows what an American officer looks like and would've complied if he could've seen the uniform in plain view.

CrazyAce86
01-19-2007, 10:55 PM
^

I agree. Shouldn't the police be wearing brighter, more identifiable colors when directing traffic? That seems like common sense to me.

Plus, the officer was young, probably a rookie. One with more experience might've handled it differently.

It's a mock-worthy, sure, but ultimately it's just going to fade away into a story for the guy to tell in the years to come. I think England is still just pissed that Beckham & Clan are coming to the US and are taking every opportunity to lampoon us. Of course, the fact that we're handing them things to do it with doesn't say much for us...

Wakka
01-19-2007, 11:12 PM
Thrown to the ground for jaywalking, christ, that's a bit rough isn't it? :/

Seems like kind of a silly story, I think the ambiguous bomber jacket and the historian are both at fault.

In England we have no jaywalking laws so everybody does it all the time :\/

Citizen
01-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Thrown to the ground for jaywalking, christ, that's a bit rough isn't it? :/

The thing is, he wasn't thrown to the ground for jaywalking. We wasn't really even arrested for jaywalking, either, in truth.

This story has been spun in such a way as to demonize the Atlanta police. He was arrested for refusing to listen to a police officer, for ignoring a police officer's warning and for refusing to identify himself.

When a police officer sees someone doing something illegal, they warn the person. If the person abides, everything is fine. But if the person does something that could be seen as suspicious (refusing to listen, refusing to identify themselves, continuing to walk away, etc.) the officer will, and in most cases should, take action.

As Cherub Rock said, this wouldn't even be a story if the jaywalker wasn't an Oxford professor. His occupation should be of no consequence whatsoever, yet, the articles keep mentioning it.

haterllnation
01-19-2007, 11:30 PM
Jaywalking in the States is a joke anyway. I do it everyday in front of officers (who would probably rather be shooting a gun than tossing citations). I think that jacket is bogus. If you wear something like that, there better be a badge pinned on the front and a gun showing if you want someone to take you seriously. From the front, it could easily be a regular person being a jerk.

It's hard to know exactly what happened, but even so, it didn't need to result in being thrown down to the ground. That is for those who resist arrest with force. Other options could have been used in this situation. Though, I do agree about the suspicious situation.

Roxie
01-19-2007, 11:46 PM
I've never been warned aganist jaywalking in the city. In fact, I was once told to go ahead and jaywalk by a police officer once.

I didn't.

There have been police men just hanging out at crosswalks. Which encourages us to not jaywalk and encourages cars to not play chicken with us.

Y.T.
01-19-2007, 11:52 PM
I read about it when it was on the BBC frontpage.. right after it happened...wasn't it like at least a week ago ?

Makes me wonder about the US.. I didn't think the police there were so dumb or capricious.

Roxie
01-20-2007, 12:08 AM
my question was, aren't the police supposed to show their badge upon request?

Plekto
01-20-2007, 12:46 AM
Yes, they are. Hence the investigation.

Here in L.A., though - they've had this sort of thing happen a long time ago, so it's very clear from all angles who the police are. Of course, if you blow them off... yeah - they're even less "friendly" than in Atlanta.

Soli
01-20-2007, 01:40 AM
Why wouldn't he use the crosswalk? >_>

Campion
01-20-2007, 02:07 AM
It's a mock-worthy, sure, but ultimately it's just going to fade away into a story for the guy to tell in the years to come. I think England is still just pissed that Beckham & Clan are coming to the US and are taking every opportunity to lampoon us. Of course, the fact that we're handing them things to do it with doesn't say much for us...

The one thing no one in Britain can get over is the fact that anyone would want to pay such an obscene amount of money to an athlete that saw his prime ten years ago.. Congrats to him for the deal though and as a soccer fan, I hope he can raise the profile of the game in the US.

This story has been spun in such a way as to demonize the Atlanta police. He was arrested for refusing to listen to a police officer, for ignoring a police officer's warning and for refusing to identify himself.

That's pretty much what the British Media do I'm afraid, blow everything out of proportion until you have nothing but sensationalism. Better story, better circulation..

..truth? You can't sell them the TRUTH!


Campion.

japanat
01-20-2007, 04:44 AM
Police officers are required to show their ID or badge upon request, provided that, in their judgement, there is no active threat or risk to their person in doing so.

Why the cop didn't produce his badge, or just turn sideways and say "Look at my jacket, asshole!" boggles me. The prof was walking away, not a threatening posture at all. But once he reached the decision to cuff the guy, it became assured that he'd put him on the ground. It is much safer for the officer, and they often do so. Especially if this guy is new, he'd be more likely to err on the side of caution.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets administrative punishment and retraining at the least.

Trump
01-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Well it sounds like the historian wasn't exactly polite. Being rude to anyone is a great way for Karma to come kick your ass.

hectorse
01-23-2007, 08:03 AM
Still.

If I see some guy yelling at me, and I ask for his ID or badge and he won't show it. What would I do?


I would be pretty pissed too.

japanat
01-23-2007, 01:04 PM
Ha! I see some guy yelling at me to go use the crosswalk, instead of jaywalking, I'd just walk over to the crosswalk. What the hell, it is the law. It's no skin off my back, I don't have any ego invested in this.

If he asks for ID, then I'd ask to see his first, but probably wouldn't be rude about it - no need.

Kass
01-23-2007, 02:09 PM
Jaywalking in the States is a joke anyway. I do it everyday in front of officers (who would probably rather be shooting a gun than tossing citations).

Come to DC. Not only do they ticket you for jaywalking, but the fine is outrageous as well. Officers will wait at busy intersections just to catch people jaywalking.

To be fair, it's extremely dangerous to be a pedestrian in DC. People get hit all the time and most of the time, it is their own fault because they dart out from between parked cars in to traffic--especially tourists. Does travelling to another city really impair one's thought process that much? Honestly, I talk to them and help with directions if they are lost. I point out places where they can get great views of monuments, like from the metro train crossing the Potomac. They don't sound stupid. They seem to be reasonable people. Does it not occur to them that standing in the middle of a street is dangerous, whether you want a picture or not? Do the big white lines painted to indicate a crosswalk look different from the ones in their city? A car outweighs a person by a LOT. A person will lose any pedestrian-vehicle showdown. I promise.

"Oooooooohhhh! A pretty statue! Let's run across the road and look at it!" You can't swing a stick without hitting a pretty statue in this town. You don't need to dart across the road to look at one. Really.

Here's a hint for anyone who might travel here:
You can get really good shots of the Capitol Building from souvenir stands and museums all over DC. YOU do NOT need to stand in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue during rush hour to get one. GET OUT OF THE ROAD.

P.S. Rush hour lasts from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. It sucks. Deal with it.

As for the arrest, the cop should have shown the badge and it does seem at first glance that he overreacted (I'll wait for the full story to say for sure), but the professor sounds kind of snotty. He doesn't dress like a cop? Please. That is seriously lame. Plain-clothes officer ring a bell? I know there are plain-clothes officers in Britain. A couple of them shot and killed an innocent, unarmed man in a subway station after the subway bombings during of the world's most botched surveillance operations ever.

Trump
01-24-2007, 04:30 PM
Yes Kass, but I am not in those pictures. Now stand in the street for me!

Well, you get the idea. I agree though, that people are usually too self absorbed to think about the fact that they are inconveniencing so many people by messing up traffic.

Roxie
01-24-2007, 05:29 PM
Yes Kass, but I am not in those pictures. Now stand in the street for me!

Well, you get the idea. I agree though, that people are usually too self absorbed to think about the fact that they are inconveniencing so many people by messing up traffic.
He most likely wasn't inconveniencing anyone actually.
Downtown is pretty dead on the weekends--much, much less car traffic.

Orclover
01-24-2007, 05:46 PM
I am very confused, If I go the europe and (fer instance) spit on the grass or fart in public or do some other strange minor infraction of the locals that is not illegal where I come from, and when some random bloke comes up and says hes a cop and ask me to stop... I should be suprised and outraged at the assbeating+arrest I get when I ignore him and walk away like hes nobody? I always thought Bobbys were some sort of imposin authority figure in England, I had no idea you guys just spit on them or ignore what they say.

Didnt the world pay attention to the Rodney King episode? or Waco? or countless other incidents that are being bounced around the worlds news every year? Did you guys miss the memo? Cops in the USA are great(IMHO), but DO NOT piss them off or ignore them! They will do bad things to you :cop: :frypan: . I mean jeezus do we need to stamp it as a warning on the entrance visas?

My mother was one of the biggest hippies in the 60's, she went to berkly and Woodstock an all that crap. Her biggest words of advice when I was a teenager were: "DO NOT ever piss off a pig, its not worth it. When the cops show up, you dont have to say anything but you better not make them mad and you better not EVER touch them." :cop:

Very wise that ol lady.

Digital Masta
01-24-2007, 06:10 PM
Does him being a British historian bring any relevance to this incident or it could've easily been, "some guy got jailed for jaywalking"

Campion
01-24-2007, 06:31 PM
I always thought Bobbys were some sort of imposin authority figure in England

^ :rofl:

Not since the introduction of the European convention of Human Rights. No.

Look, I'm not going to say that what happened to this chap is right or wrong. I've been working in the communications field for far too long to believe that any report from any media organisation is completely unbiased. People (including journalists) have personal views and some news organisations management hold strong political views that are represented in how their journalists present a story. Making a clear and rational judgement on something that has been digested and regurgitated by the media can be very difficult.


Campion.

Beowulf
01-24-2007, 07:02 PM
The thing that gets me as wierd is that the cop didn't show him his ID. As a public security officer if anyone asks you to show them your badge/credentials you are required by law to produce them.

Roxie
01-25-2007, 04:50 AM
The thing that gets me as wierd is that the cop didn't show him his ID. As a public security officer if anyone asks you to show them your badge/credentials you are required by law to produce them.
He didn't know the guy was an officer.
Just saying "I'm a police officer" does not make one an police officer.

Beowulf
01-25-2007, 07:23 AM
He didn't know the guy was an officer.
Just saying "I'm a police officer" does not make one an police officer.
Uh Roxie you may want to re-read my post, I was saying it's wierd that the cop didn't produce a badge/credentials to the professor...

Roxie
01-25-2007, 02:16 PM
OH! my bad :duh:

Kurogetsu
01-26-2007, 06:06 PM
Come to DC. Not only do they ticket you for jaywalking, but the fine is outrageous as well. Officers will wait at busy intersections just to catch people jaywalking.

To be fair, it's extremely dangerous to be a pedestrian in DC. People get hit all the time and most of the time, it is their own fault because they dart out from between parked cars in to traffic--especially tourists.

"Oooooooohhhh! A pretty statue! Let's run across the road and look at it!" You can't swing a stick without hitting a pretty statue in this town. You don't need to dart across the road to look at one. Really.

Here's a hint for anyone who might travel here:
You can get really good shots of the Capitol Building from souvenir stands and museums all over DC. YOU do NOT need to stand in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue during rush hour to get one. GET OUT OF THE ROAD.

P.S. Rush hour lasts from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. It sucks. Deal with it.


I had to laugh at that, because it's so true.

If there isnt rush hour, there's construction. If there isn't construction there's some type of event that ends up shutting down major roads

Fizban
01-28-2007, 06:53 AM
Heheh, this reminds me of something that happened to a couple of my friends. A cop had been sent over to get people to stop turning the wrong way out of the school parking lot (hard to describe, but baisically it just needs to be allowed, the cop at the school even does it). Apparently the guy decides to ticket a bunch of people for jaywalking at lunch, and my friends get caught in it. That's all, but it was soooo funny in person. (they get back, pissed):
"What's wrong?"
"Fucking cop fucking gave us fucking tickets for fucking jaywalking!"

Kass
01-30-2007, 12:16 PM
Have there been any results of the investigation released yet?