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Roxie
09-26-2006, 02:52 AM
Friend admits killing three children
26th September 2006, 8:00 WST

A woman accused of killing her pregnant best friend and her fetus also has confessed to killing the friend’s three young children and stuffing their bodies into a washing machine and dryer at their apartment.

Ace Hart, coroner for St Clair County in Illinois, said yesterday that preliminary autopsies on the dead children, aged seven, two and one, appeared to show that they had been drowned — but not in the washing machine. Other tests were being made to see if they had been drugged or poisoned.

Mr Hart said there were no signs of physical abuse or trauma on the children.

Prosecutors in the city of St Louis accused Tiffany Hall, 24, at the weekend of cutting a foetus from the womb of Jimella Tunstall, 23, last week. Mother and foetus died.

Ms Hall was charged with the wilful murder of Ms Tunstall and the unborn child. She was not charged over the deaths of the three children.

Authorities suspect Ms Tunstall was killed on or about September 15.

Mr Hart said that that day Ms Hall had called police to a park, saying she had given birth to a stillborn child.

Police said she was arrested after she told her boyfriend, a sailor who was home on leave, during the baby’s funeral that the baby was not his and that she had killed the mother to get it.

Ms Tunstall’s body was found last Thursday. An autopsy showed she had bled to death after getting an abdominal wound from a sharp object, believed to be scissors. Authorities believe her womb was cut open after she had been knocked unconscious. A pair of scissors was found near the body.

Authorities immediately began a frantic search for Ms Tunstall’s other children, who had last been seen with Ms Hall the previous Monday.

They went to the family apartment in East St Louis on Friday, looking for photographs of the children but did not notice anything amiss.

Mr Hart said: “Who would be looking in the washer and dryer?”

He said Ms Hall later told police where to look for them. She had told investigators she killed the children at another place, then hauled them home and hid them in the washing machine and dryer.

“By Saturday, you could find them by the smell,” Mr Hart said.

The oldest, DeMond, was found in the dryer and two-year-old Ivan and one-year-old Jinela were in the washing machine. Two of the children were naked and the third was wearing only underpants.

“At least they’re at peace with their mum,” LaDonna Tunstall, the dead woman’s stepmother, said.

As for Ms Hall, she said: “God is going to have to deal with her.”

Visitors contributed to a mountain of stuffed animal toys outside the Tunstall apartment, its door crisscrossed with police evidence tape.

Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler said Ms Hall’s two children were “safe and sound”.

Ms Hall is likely to appear in court today to be formally charged. The murder count could be punishable by the death penalty.

oneangrybeaver
09-26-2006, 03:01 AM
Oh... God... :boggled: :yuck:

That lady's messed up inside.

sakana
09-26-2006, 03:17 AM
That makes me very sad :( I wish people would just get along.

Beowulf
09-26-2006, 03:45 AM
Have they come up with any sort of motive?

erbiumfiber
09-26-2006, 04:19 AM
Sounds like she wanted a baby and was willing to do anything to get one. This is pretty bizarre since African-American babies are available for adoption in decent enough numbers you don't need to CUT ONE FROM THE WOMB OF YOUR PREGNANT FRIEND to get one. Single people can adopt, so that wouldn't be an obstacle. Of course, you have to be SANE to adopt a child, and this woman might not have passed that test.

japanat
09-26-2006, 04:32 AM
Sounds to me like she wanted the baby to get her sailor boyfriend (home on leave, therefore never saw her 'pregnant') to marry her. But psycho as hell. Every time I hear about this story, I get serious heebs...

Klilynkun
09-26-2006, 08:20 AM
dude... that's effed up

羽之助
09-26-2006, 10:01 AM
On a somewhat related note, the Nara schoolgirl killer got the death penalty today.

Kass
09-26-2006, 10:40 AM
Sounds like she wanted a baby and was willing to do anything to get one. This is pretty bizarre since African-American babies are available for adoption in decent enough numbers you don't need to CUT ONE FROM THE WOMB OF YOUR PREGNANT FRIEND to get one. Single people can adopt, so that wouldn't be an obstacle. Of course, you have to be SANE to adopt a child, and this woman might not have passed that test.

Only if you have money. The cruel irony is that people who could otherwise afford to support a child are often deterred from adopting because the process would bankrupt them.

Klilynkun
09-26-2006, 02:55 PM
i thought the government would make it easier for children to be adopted. Why all the high costs

Kass
09-26-2006, 03:10 PM
Because the agencies that care for the children prior to adoption have to pay to care for those children and most of them are private. Even the public ones incur costs. The cost of caring for the kids doesn't go down.

Those costs also run high since once past the baby/toddler stage, nearly all children are considered unadoptable, so the fees for the ones who do get adopted subsidize care for the kids who don't.

A co-worker's brother and sister-in-law just adopted a five-year-old boy in DC. It cost them about $10,000 when all was said and done.

Klilynkun
09-26-2006, 03:14 PM
woah
i guess i can see how someone could get desperate...
in a crazy psychotic way

I Like Shinny!
09-26-2006, 03:21 PM
Do I smell the polt for a Law & Order: SVU episode?

oneangrybeaver
09-26-2006, 03:38 PM
Do I smell the plot for a Law & Order: SVU episode?
I thought I was the only one who was thinking that. SVU rocks... and creeps you out at the same time.

CrazyAce86
09-26-2006, 05:02 PM
See, people like this are the ones that should be dragged out in the street and shot.

Is it ironic that I'm listening to "Sugar" by System of a Down as I read this?

Psyco bitch. Give her the death penalty.

And if this shows up on SVU, I will ban the TV show. It's bad enough that they basically made it the Benson & Stabler Show, but this "ripped from the headlines" crap has got to stop. What, no creative originality anymore?

Soli
09-26-2006, 07:22 PM
There has to be something wrong with people who do stuff like that. :/ It probably isn't a normal human feeling to want to kill your best friend and her kids. :( She might have wanted a baby, but that was taking it a bit far.

Beowulf
09-26-2006, 09:44 PM
Remind why, in a quest for baby, she had to kill three innocent children. That's what truly whacks me out about this lady, not so much the baby thing but the fact that she killed 3 children all under the age of 10. Coldblooded.

Turtle Stew
09-26-2006, 10:28 PM
They had an SVU (At least I think it was SVU, it was definitely Law and Order.) where a woman was pregnant, her child was killed before it was born (Forget why.), so she tried to kidnap someone elses kid, then killed someone else for her kid. There was a CSI where a womans child was killed after it was born, so she murdered a woman who was pregnant, cut her child from the womb, and put her dead child in there...

Quite pathetic what people find entertaining, isn't it?

Beowulf
09-27-2006, 12:30 AM
They had an SVU (At least I think it was SVU, it was definitely Law and Order.) where a woman was pregnant, her child was killed before it was born (Forget why.), so she tried to kidnap someone elses kid, then killed someone else for her kid. There was a CSI where a womans child was killed after it was born, so she murdered a woman who was pregnant, cut her child from the womb, and put her dead child in there...

Quite pathetic what people find entertaining, isn't it?
What's really pathetic is how retards watch those shows then when they get jury duty, they expect real-life to work just like the show does.

SlickWilly440
09-27-2006, 01:51 AM
Sounds like she wanted a baby and was willing to do anything to get one. This is pretty bizarre since African-American babies are available for adoption in decent enough numbers you don't need to CUT ONE FROM THE WOMB OF YOUR PREGNANT FRIEND to get one. Single people can adopt, so that wouldn't be an obstacle. Of course, you have to be SANE to adopt a child, and this woman might not have passed that test.


Maybe she didn't pass the financial requirment.

Plekto
09-27-2006, 02:27 AM
I hear there are lots of kid to adopt from third-world countries if you want to really baypass all of the nonsense.

chad mullet
09-27-2006, 02:41 AM
"Ms Hall was charged with the wilful murder of ... the unborn child"

What's the legal position in the U.S. when you "off" a foetus?
Is it murder in a legal sense? Was Charlie Manson charged with murdering Sharon Tate's unborn child?

Jetsetlemming
09-27-2006, 03:05 AM
Scott Peterson was charged with the death of his unborn son as well as his wife.
This story is messed up. :(

japanat
09-27-2006, 06:22 AM
'Murder of an unborn child' is a recent development in US law, generally over the last 20 yrs or so (it varies state-by-state).

D-pad
09-27-2006, 06:32 AM
*looks at location* Damn it mom...

Plekto
09-27-2006, 07:01 AM
Basically it's any child in the last trimester(ie - too late to legally abort in most states, though that varies as well.)

Still.. I say no death penalty. That's too kind. Once again I vote for the mind-numbing, back-breaking 50 years of hard labor, then maybe a merciful execution, since euthanasia and suicide should be legalized by then, given how things are going.

The U.S, needs a verion of Devils Island for the worst criminals. Seriously. A place where you can't get out of and where they work you until you literally die years later. It'd scare huge numbers of criminals Someplace like one of the islands in the Aleutians or Midway Island or someplace hundreds of miles from nowhere and certain death if you try to escape in anything improvised.

Or better yet, just ship all of the death-row inmates off to those CIA run prisons. That's finally a good use for them. "We don't want the death penalty, your Honor. We want her shipped off to Guantanimo instead"(gasp of horror from the criminal).

erised
09-28-2006, 01:17 AM
There was a CSI where a womans child was killed after it was born, so she murdered a woman who was pregnant, cut her child from the womb, and put her dead child in there...


I thought that was on Bones... geez, has any TV show not done this plot line? How horrible that it's real.

kilreli
09-28-2006, 03:24 AM
oh my goodness, for the longest time, whenever i looked at children, i read "Kitten". it wasnt until i thought, "wow, she cares more about the womans kittens than the woman herself" that i thought it seemed odd and read it again. im a dork..

King Kong
09-28-2006, 09:06 AM
Do you think Capital punishment is really justice?

She has just killed 5 people, do you think killing her would be justified? Do you believe she should be allowed to get away with the suffering that follows.

If anything, death would be a relief for her. Relief from the karma that she reaped.

She is probably being tortured by her thoughts as we discuss. If she isn't a mentally sick person, then she would want to wish that capital punishment is her fate.

Same with every single sane (oxymoron, because to kill you would have to be insane) killer, the suffering they have caused, often catches up with them.