What The Fuck!!!

[koneko-chan]

Okay, this has been bothering me for some obscure reason for like, weeks....Why is it that it's alright for a man to enjoy the Idea and wank off to Lesbian sex, but its practically taboo for a women to enjoy the Idea and wank off to Gay sex?!?!?!? Why?!? Is it me or is that just sexist?

[Orclover]

Yes its sexist. Same as the different pay rates for men and women.

Technically its not wanking if you do it, more like bean-rubbing.

Personally I avoid gay scenes in movies at all cost, but a lesbian scene I will go back and forth over so many times that the DVD laser will burn a hole through the disc. I consider Lesbians a precious natural resource that must be cared for and cultivated to keep the adult movie industry a worthwhile endevor.

[Rear Admiral Grapefruit]

If anyone has a problem with it, it's usualy gonna be members of your own gender, like bitchy girls who call another girl a slut for sleeping with lotsa guys, a guy wouldn't really say that, unless he's purely trying to insult that person for whatever reason. At least that's the way it seems to me, so in that case it doesn't really count a sexist, but even if so, there's a difference between the genders in attitudes towards homosexuality, and straight men will more often take a more defensive stance towards two gay men like "if that's what they wanna do, that's fine, but don't want people talking about that near me." While women tend to be more relaxed at the concept of 2 lesbians so they're less likely to be bitchy about the whole idea, while men take a more defensive role towards a woman using male gay porn.

At least that's how i see it, i may be wrong, only an oppinion. One note aswell, i wasn't saying ALL just alot of people, not everyone's the same, i know.

[Kuroshi]

Personally, I find it odd that more girls don't think two guys together are hot like so many guys find two girls together hot....

[Der Moe]

It's not sexist, its just not...nice.
I mean women are beautiful, they are well shaped, the have soft skin, they.. you get the idea. Its damn sexy when they are gentle to each other. physically speaking. (as long as both are beautiful, but thats the concept of porn, right?)

Concerning two men.... I dont know. I just generally dislike the soft and happy behaviour most gay men seem to have. Although i do not see anything wrong with girls "wanking" to gay sex. Each his own i guess. But i sure as hell dont want to be in the same room.

[Stephy]

Okay, this has been bothering me for some obscure reason for like, weeks....Why is it that it's alright for a man to enjoy the Idea and wank off to Lesbian sex, but its practically taboo for a women to enjoy the Idea and wank off to Gay sex?!?!?!? Why?!? Is it me or is that just sexist?

It's taboo?

er. I always thought that kind of stuff was more of a personal opinion and nothing else. There are sexist views on this? Ah well.

Edit. meh.

[delen]

Personal opinion: All Stephs are nasty.

[Jetsetlemming]

Since when does anybody judge you for what you decide to pleasure yourself to, besides the general condemnation of you discussing that in public anyway? :watson: Are you sure whatever event that caused this outburst that's oh so perfect for general discussion (:D) wasn't about "ew, stop talking about porn" and not "ew, you look at gay guys"? Or, if you were talking to a guy, of course he'd go "ew, gay guys". That doesn't mean he disaproves of your taste, he just doesn't share it.

[PopCulturePooka]

Because many of these girls get their rocks of not to gay porn, but to gay CARTOON porn.

Which is fucking retarded.

[seiji]

But gay cartoon boys are so much prettier than gay real boys. :innocent:

[Pierrot le Fou]

Because you're misanalyzing the appeal. It ain't the appeal of actual lesbians (who happen to be far less pretty than their porn-movie make-believe counterparts), but of two straight women who are so goddamned aroused that they just can't take it even if there isn't a man involved.

The fantasy lies in the thought that the man, if he were to enter said scene, would be the focus of BOTH their desires.

It is sexist in the sense that the man's fantasy tends to hinge on the fact that he is 'necessary' to the experience, and that he's more desirable than either woman is on the sole merit of being born with a Y chromosome and a penis.

It ain't about lesbians being 'pretty' or women's bodies being more photogenic -- it's about psychology, fantasy, and power. Like most sex, amazingly enough.

[Jetsetlemming]

women's bodies being more photogenic
Yes it is. :innocent:

[Decade]

I don't think of it as taboo if a woman wants to watch two guys ram each other...just odd.

Whatever, do what you want, people will in the end one way or another anyway, it really only depends on how much you care what other people think.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Yes it is. :innocent:
The average gay man I've met has been more photogenic than the average lesbian. You are not interested in reality, just the fantasy. There's nothing wrong with that, I just wish you'd be honest about it at least.

[I Like Shinny!]

But gay cartoon boys are so much prettier than gay real boys. :innocent:
True that.

Persionally I like watch both gay porn, lesbian porn and so many other things that can only be done in cartoons.

It's just sex and watching anyone have sex is sexy. Not matter who they are.

Some people are just closed-minded fools.

[Lisa M]

I don't have issues with girls who like gay-man porn.

Just girls who insist on talking about it at completely inappropriate times. It's been my experience that girls who like gay-man porn tend to be more vocal about it than girls who like het or lesbian porn.

Frankly, most of the time, it's inappropriate to talk about any kind of porn.

[Jetsetlemming]

The average gay man I've met has been more photogenic than the average lesbian. You are not interested in reality, just the fantasy. There's nothing wrong with that, I just wish you'd be honest about it at least.
I was being honest. Notice I quoted the part "Women are photogenic". :P Anyway, since you asked (sorta), this is why I, personally, like lesbian erotica. It's like a shower or female masturbation scene, only with TWO chicks. Wow! ;) I have no thoughts of joining in or feeling needed in the scene. I just enjoy looking at two naked beautiful women rubbing each other. It just doesn't go any deeper.

[Pierrot le Fou]

So you just like them because they look nice? Let's take a Van Gogh painting -- do you think that looks nice as well? Do you also wank off to two Van Gogh paintings in a gallery together?

The point I am making is that it isn't as simple as 'because they look nice.'

Obviously there are deeper reasons than that. The simplest reason being that you find women sexually attractive, but can't say the same about Van Gogh paintings.

But even that is too simple. If you have no desire for a threesome, then what is the appeal with two women? What makes that more appealing than a singular woman, or a woman and a man? That two is better than one? Then why aren't you pursuing threesomes, or foursomes, or going for lesbian orgy or threesome porn?

It's because you have an actual reason for your preference that extends beyond 'just because' even if you don't consciously acknowledge it. I would make a healthy bet that given the choice between a beautiful woman cooking dinner in the buff, or two mediocre looking women going at it, you'd go for the two mediocre women going at it to get off. It ain't about being photogenic, it's something more than that, about the act, that does it for you.

And most likely the psychological aspect of the act you like involves the reasons I stated earlier even if you don't acknowledge consciously that you like that concept.

[Kwiz]

And most likely the psychological aspect of the act you like involves the reasons I stated earlier even if you don't acknowledge consciously that you like that concept.

I think it's time to break out the Sigmund Freud!!! :D

To nominally answer the OP, it does have a bit to do with the cultural hangups many still have over the concept of two men having sex.

[Jetsetlemming]

How do you ever manage to get off, being so overly analytical? Look, this is far too personal for me to be talking about my taste in porn (Which I almost never come in contact with. >_> I'm so paranoid about my computer I never look at it online, I only have basic cable, and I have no budget to buy movies or magazines, and don't even know where I'd go for them). I'll explain the process one last time, however.
Woman, good.
Naked woman, good.
Naked woman acting sexual, great.
two naked women acting sexual, 2x great.
There is no mental process along with this besides "ooh, naked chicks... pleasuring themselves... this looks awesome" Really, the mind isn't capable of coming up with complex fantasies at the same time as watching something like that and doing that activity that goes along with watching something like that. Your may be, but mine ain't.
If I was going to imagine myself in the scene, I figure I'd be more inclined to do that with a scene between a man and a woman: I could then imagine myself in the guy's place.
Oh, and I would prefer the single beautiful women acting non sexual to the mediocre women acting sexual. Sex can be a gross thing at times. I'd also prefer to look at a beautiful woman in a swimsuit over the average woman you'd see on a nude beach. :knockout:

[delen]

I just like watching PLF argue. Its like... WWF wrestling.

[Jetsetlemming]

He's very dramatic. I don't see WHY he is, but I have to say I like to read his posts, too. Not the ones where he's claiming to know my thoughts while I'm masturbating, but the other ones are good. ;P

[Decade]

I just like watching PLF argue. Its like... WWF wrestling.

Only without two or more ripped, oiled up guys slamming each other.


...sorry koneko-chan :D

[Jetsetlemming]

Only without two or more ripped, oiled up guys slamming each other.


...sorry koneko-chan :D
I wonder if she imagines herself in the scene, instantly turning the gay actors straight and joining in in a threesome? :watson:

[seiji]

I must admit, I do prefer gay sex between boys who claim to be straight "except for each other" simply because they would, theoretically, drop each other in favor of me. Simultaneously. Lawl. :D

[Pierrot le Fou]

But you aren't watching men and women, you're watching two women.

There are two conclusions that would make sense:
1) You are a voyeur, and get off on watching rather than doing (though this doesn't explain why you like watching TWO women in highly stylized exhibitionist porn)
2) You have a phobia of being considered gay if you see another man's penis, or somehow that the existence of another man they are screwing ruins your feeling of ownership of the women in question

Neither one involves 'just having them look nice.'

It just ain't that simple.

[Jetsetlemming]

I ceased understanding your point somewhere in the middle of the last page. How again is looking at naked women NOT simple?

[Angelyne]

*has a feeling that this is going to be a long, nasty thread*

[Jetsetlemming]

Nah. :) I'd cede the point in the name of peace and let plf decide whatever he wanted was going through my head. :P I'm just curious as to what he's talking about. :boggled:

[Hitokage]

I like both lesbian and gay and hetero porn.

And I like all of that done in an anime style too.

the average lesbian and gay guy are both average. That's why they get the hot ones to be in porn.

Anime makes all the bad things about the human body go away (hairs, moles, curve of the penis, too poofy labia, whatever) go away. So the person is beautiful. In contrast, it is easier to see in your head if the person is real (aka real porn) and to think of having sex with a person of that particular gender that you want to be doing. You can 'imagine' the real person better, because you've been doing it since birth.

*shrug* I don't think about getting involved in the scene. I just like to watch two or more people go at it, enjoy themselves, and get their physical and/or mental nuts off.

[Shuft]

...blah blah...2) You have a phobia of being considered gay if you see another man's penis, or somehow that the existence of another man they are screwing ruins your feeling of ownership of the women in question...blah...I totally dig and agree with your overall point, but you have to admit: when you're watching lesbian porn, you never have that annoying 4 or 5 seconds where whoever is filming thinks it would be a good idea to zoom in on the guy's face.

IRTOP
While I don't find anything wrong with girls who like gay porn, it does make me /cry because I am not down with the MMF style threesome. Girls who watch lesbian porn, on the other hand, get a /cheer for obvious reasons.

[Pierrot le Fou]

My point is really, at its heart, very simple.

Your average heterosexual man wants to screw women. This is what makes him your average heterosexual man. Porn, for the large part, is directed at that average heterosexual man, with a bunch of niches for the non-standard heterosexual or non-heterosexual men out there. But let's face facts, a majority of ANYTHING, especially porn, is marketed/designed for 20-40 year-old men. Disposable income and all that.

But I digress. The point is that men, like I s'pose you are claiming to be JSL, like women. I presume you like to fuck women. When you aren't fucking women (and perhaps sometimes when you are), you watch porn. The porn is supposed to provide a substitute for the fact that you aren't actually getting any at the moment (otherwise it is just an accessory, not a necessity).

Lesbian porn is designed by people who understand these facts and are looking to make money. They target that lesbian porn at, well, men. And they're good at it, too, when you consider what portion of men eat up lesbian porn like it was going out of style.

Now I see how tempting it is for someone like you to claim that it's the simple enjoyment of the female form over the male form, and that's that. However, if such were the case, then lesbian porn would be booming over here in Japan and/or Germany and/or Korea, etc. To the best of my knowledge it isn't. So we have a conundrum: if lesbian porn is truly more appealing to your average heterosexual male than straight porn, why is it mostly the American market that eats it up, rather than a worldwide trend?

If you were to actually look at the porn market across countries, you'd notice that a common theme runs through the market when directed at the average heterosexual male -- dominance. Men are dominant. From bondage, to positions, to come shots, to anything else, a vast majority of porn displays dominant men. Those that don't are generally niche sort of things. You may have the occasional exception, but for the most part, the power balance is in favor of the male.

This tends to be true in most (if not all) countries' erotica.

So it would seem rather logical to suggest that perhaps, like worldwide trends seem to suggest, lesbian porn directed at straight men is just a new method of displaying that same sort of power dynamic they've been playing forever. I think that makes sense.

So even if you don't consciously acknowledge that the power dynamic of you being a man and the women going at it not, it exists, and it sells.

Marketing execs and focus groups provide a lot of information on how you think that you won't even admit to yourself.

[Jetsetlemming]

Except I hate my fellow men. :D And, like I said, I look at very little porn. I have a very active imagination to replace it, and my typical imaginings are vasty different than "dominance" porn. Really, I am a girly man. :rofl: I don't know how you're building your ideas of my thoughts, but they are a bit off.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Yes, I'm sure that you watch the same porn everyone else watches for an entirely different purpose.

Honest.

It is just mere COINCIDENCE, it must have NOTHING to do with your actual thought process.

[Jetsetlemming]

I just said I don't watch porn. The only porn I have is a playboy my older brother got me as a souvenier when he got home from boot camp, before he left for South Korea. That's nothing but lone naked women in poses.

[Kwiz]

I totally dig and agree with your overall point, but you have to admit: when you're watching lesbian porn, you never have that annoying 4 or 5 seconds where whoever is filming thinks it would be a good idea to zoom in on the guy's face.

IRTOP
While I don't find anything wrong with girls who like gay porn, it does make me /cry because I am not down with the MMF style threesome. Girls who watch lesbian porn, on the other hand, get a /cheer for obvious reasons.

Shuft, your avatar appropriately reminds me of a wankel engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_rotary_engine).

[KosiMazaki]

Shuft, your avatar appropriately reminds me of a wankel engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_rotary_engine).

I got the same thought. And then it reminded me Rotary Brothers from Akagi Group in Initial D Anime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_D_Car_Modifications_and_Character_Relation s

Good show at first 2 seasons, but then it got boring IMNSHO.:watson:

[Jetsetlemming]

IMNSHO? :boggled: