Regeneration

[CNagy]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1754008,00.html

Stem-cell research is so awesome.

[Myrsilus]

I knew this would happen. This is a new age, people. A new age of regeneration.

Seriously I have been waiting for stem cell research to make these huge bounds... And it's getting better and better. Imagine the possibilities.

[KujiInRetsu]

All those war veterans that came back cripples now need no longer be cripples. If the stem cell research goes along far enough, we will see humans regenerating lost limbs over the course of a few months. After some intense physical therapy to retrain the resurrected limb, that cripple can go on to lead a completely normal life. Cancerous organs can be removed and stem cell-grown organs can be substituted from the patient's own cells, hence bypassing the immune rejection quandary. There are so many miracles of modern medicine that doctors would kill (heh heh... violating Hippocratic Oath...) to be able to perform for their patients, and stem cell research is just one part of it.

Bill Frist came to his senses and came to support expanding the stem cell lines currently used in U.S. research, a welcome change from limiting it to those pitiful few existing lines on the logic that a zygote cell cluster has a soul (for the record, there is a possibility that a fetus might have one. A zygote??? Doubtful...).

[Bobbybirdtree]

It would be interesting to see this work for humans. I think a lot of hospitols would charge wayyyyy too much for it if it became available. I mean they would be losing money seeing as every time you got hurt you could heal up in no time from almost any wound. I hope to god this can work out for the better.

[Zaysho]

That's just incredible. You could only imagine where this can go. If they get far enough with it, maybe they can figure out how to regenerate the brain (hey, you never know). This most likely would increase longevity, since almost everything can be repaired.

[UlrichRyddle]

Freakin sweet. I'm hoping the next president will give stem cell research federal funding because this stuff is just awesome.

[Maian]

You know, I fear for our social security system once regeneration becomes publically available...

[Mr.Babalo]

That's just incredible. You could only imagine where this can go. If they get far enough with it, maybe they can figure out how to regenerate the brain (hey, you never know). This most likely would increase longevity, since almost everything can be repaired.

i don't think it will get as far as the brain any time soon, and if it did the new brain could not possess the same memories as the old. If they regenerate the brain, the patient would act like he was just born and would have to relearn EVERYTHING.

[baslisks]

what of a zombie attack happened? the brain regen would only make them live longer. You fools you have created our doom. Don't ask I don't even know.

[Enk]

Well, nevertheless, regeneration would increase longevity big time I think. It would eliminate all diseases that come with age and therefore people could easily live to the very maximum. If regeneration is a way around aging of cells that would mean that old people would be in excellent physical shape just like when they were young.

And the price? I think it'd depend on the expenses of the product like it is with any modern medicine. I don't think hospitals would hold back with it. I think it would be illegal actually.

Yeah, it's coming. Human v2.0. Artificial evolution, baby!

[baslisks]

its like a hundred fanatics screamed out at once and then were silenced.

[Joe]

I already shared that story with the peeps in the chatroom. You are late with the news cnagy!

[Mr.Babalo]

what of a zombie attack happened? the brain regen would only make them live longer. You fools you have created our doom. Don't ask I don't even know.

lol


in addition, this kind of technology would be available only to the rich and would change the definition about what a human being really is. I did a project about age in highschool bio 12, and basically a human can live 5000 years-15000 years if that human takes advantage of the stem cell technology(replacing organs every so often), if the human's diet contained alot of anti-oxides to eliminate free-radicals(keep in mind that free radicals are esspecially devastating to the DNA of the mitochondria), and if the junk accumulated in the lysosomes were repelished.


Wouldn't you hate that? Bill Gates living a good 15000 years. He can rule the world once he has monoploized every available market.

[baslisks]

Hmmm. Have you read Kurzweil's(sp) book? It talks and predicts human immortality in like 2020. Maybe this is just a step?

[Y.T.]

n addition, this kind of technology would be available only to the rich and would change the definition about what a human being really is. I did a project about age in highschool bio 12, and basically a human can live 5000 years-15000 years if that human takes advantage of the stem cell technology(replacing organs every so often), if the human's diet contained alot of anti-oxides to eliminate free-radicals(keep in mind that free radicals are esspecially devastating to the DNA of the mitochondria), and if the junk accumulated in the lysosomes were repelished.

Well, you can't really replace the brain, you know.. At least, certainly not
at once.

A recent Swedish study found out, that nerve cells are among the least often
regenerated ones(a thirty year old person has the same cells he had at birth).
Kind of, damage accumulating there would be troubling..
In contrast to red blood cells, that 'live' less than a month or so.

And btw.. someone recently found out how to produce stem cells from
skin cells. Eliminating the need for zygotes..
(or, so I remember. I am aware of no downsides yet).

I remember that there is a downside to regeneration ability in
salamanders...

Besides... I suspect that that strain of mice has no immune system to
speak of.. that is, it can regenerate, but cannot... live in the outside
world. It's immunodeficient. - it's immune system is not
working properly.

[CNagy]

Besides... I suspect that that strain of mice has no immune system to
speak of.. that is, it can regenerate, but cannot... live in the outside
world. It's immunodeficient. (as if it had HIV) - it's immune system is not
working.

What in the world is your basis for this?

[baslisks]

I would also like to know. I didn't exactly read for exactnesss but I'm pretty sure I didn't read that in the article.

[Pretentious]

This is all well and good, but let us learn from what happened the last time somebody tried regernative experiments on a human.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1567/lizard2pp.gif

We cannot forget Dr. Curt Connors.

[baslisks]

If he could only control himself that would be freaking cool.

[renegade]

so they say that evolutionary speaking, we gave up the option to regenerat just so that we'll be smarter.

what the hell were we thinkin'?

[unoriginal_cyn]

Mr.Babalo brought up a good point concerning the ethics of this kind of research. Sure, it's great that people can live longer and such, but who are the ones who can afford this kind of technology? The wealthy. The gap between the haves and have-nots will continue to grow wider.
Imagine if people lived to be thousands of years old! That would be a huge strain on our resources because the birthrate would likely be larger than the death rate...there would be too many people.
Plus....there's nothing more annoying than immortal rich people.

[CNagy]

The first ethical hurtle will be human testing. It sure as hell won't take place in Britain or the US. Perhaps South Korea can pave the way-- plus, there will always be somewhere that charges quite a bit less for the same operation. As an example, dental work here that costs thousands of dollars can be done in Romania for a few hundred bucks.

Government may step in to limit this sort of thing, we may see restricted birth rates. At the same time, we'll see less deaths from job related danger. Imagine if a policeman survived just about any wound that didn't kill him outright.

[baslisks]

ahh a good head shot would finish it anyway. yay organized crime.!!!

[renegade]

Imagine if a policeman survived just about any wound that didn't kill him outright.
a super cop >>a super soldner >>the fear from a super soldner >>movmet groups against super humans >>the hate of a super humans >>murdurs of a super human >> and so on and so forth

this thing will lead to all kinds of shit

[unoriginal_cyn]

Ah, yes, stem cell research has bucket-loads of ethical issues to deal with. Human testing is certainly one of them. If human testing can't be done in the US or Britian, then won't it be considered exploitation if testing is done in other countries, likely the underdeveloped ones? Especially since this research will probably benefit developed nations the most since they're the ones with the money to actually use the technology.

"Imagine if a policeman survived just about any wound that didn't kill him outright."
That would be great! But what if you replaced 'policeman' with 'criminal'?

[baslisks]

hey have been cloning chimps in korea if I remember right. They also are the deepest in cloning for primates and the chimp is on their list. We have less then 1% difference and thats because we lost our physical genes and went mental. Screw physical when we can shoot you!!!!

[Y.T.]

http://jaxmice.jax.org/jaxmice-cgi/jaxmicedb.cgi?objtype=pricedetail&stock=000485

Research Applications
This mouse can be used to support research in many areas including:

Immunology and Inflammation Research
Immunodeficiency (Sjogren syndrome)

Internal/Organ Research
Wound Healing(enhanced)

Faslpr related

Apoptosis Research
Death Receptors

Immunology and Inflammation Research
Autoimmunity(lupus erythematosus: rheumatoid arthritis)
Inflammation

Mouse/Human Gene Homologs
autoimmune lymphoproliferative syndrome

Here is some info on the strain of Mice that regenerate.
Happy reading.
Though.. I suppose there are at max 10 people on the fora who can
understand what it's all about. I am kind of too tired(it's 00:45 here)

[Maian]

Actually, mammals lack full regenerative capabilities because of scarring. We all hate scarring these days, but it was a real lifesaver back then (and still is for all other mammals).

Scarring prevents infection and is much faster than regeneration. Keep in mind that mammals are warm-blooded and thus are always active (disregarding sleep), so they can't afford the time to regenerate. Amphibians, on the other hand, are cold-blooded, so they can simply hide and not eat while they regenerate.

It has nothing to do with "mental capabilities". Heck, the study should've made it obvious that mice can't normally regenerate either.

[Mr.Babalo]

Ah, yes, stem cell research has bucket-loads of ethical issues to deal with. Human testing is certainly one of them. If human testing can't be done in the US or Britian, then won't it be considered exploitation if testing is done in other countries, likely the underdeveloped ones? Especially since this research will probably benefit developed nations the most since they're the ones with the money to actually use the technology.

"Imagine if a policeman survived just about any wound that didn't kill him outright."

That would be great! But what if you replaced 'policeman' with 'criminal'?

very good point.


Everyone is getting all hyped out about stem cell research, but it's still in the baby stages--maybe even... spermie stages? LOL (i love makin up wordS... ooooh man, i crack myself up.so.sad.). Neways back to the point: no one should go out celebrating any time soon,because even if all this technology was brought mainstream, it could have very strong negative effect just as it has a positive effect. Everyone is overlooking the double-edged sword THAT IS STEM CELL RESEARCH.

and the funny thing is, if stem cell technology can grow various organs. I would say the majority of it's effort would go to those who smoke or second hand smokers. We all know they get cancer and various other diseases and always require more organs. They should put a ban on smoking and save alot of tax dollars from healthcare, which can be used for other useful things.

[BluZytrix]

Perhaps this could be a cure-all for scars too. Imagine if you had a huge scar on your face and you could just cut it off after recieving this thearapy and the scar you cut off would reheal without a scar at all.

Although this sounds great, I'm sure there is some downside to this. Life always has its checks and balances.