30 Days: Athiest.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

30 Days is having an Athiest woman live with a hardcore Christian family.

Without the obvious conflict of thought in this the athiest woman seems so sweet and nice. I'm watching at the moment and finding it interesting enough.

I'll get back to you and you all can discuss.

Show is currently in progress.

[Roxie]

It's on the FX network, here's the website http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/30days/

[UlrichRyddle]

No one yelled. I was pleasantly surprised.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Yes I was at well. I can tell just by looking at both their faces that their eyes were telling something different, BUT they both managed to keep their heads leveled.

I found the cross case in Utah retarded as hell.

[Mysticalmelody]

seems like they tried to pick people who would both be pretty neutral in their opinions of each other. I've met many christians who are like "athiests + all dirty lil' sinners" and many athiests who are all "ugh I hate christians"

What surprised me was how the christians thought the athiest must not have any morals because the bible was the source of their morals. Do they really think they'd just start being criminals and bad people if they weren't convinced they'd go to hell for it?

[Xuande]

It's kind of hard for an atheist in the US to be "ugh I hate Christians" because that pretty much means hating nearly everyone around them.

A lot of Christians seem to think that about atheists, though, that they don't have any morals. I'm not sure where the idea comes from, but it's very commonplace and is probably why atheists rank as the least popular denomination in the US, behind even Muslims and Scientologists (with apologies to Muslims for comparing them to Scientologists).

[Klilynkun]

I usually frequent debate forums and the thinking behind athiets not having morals is not that they don't have morals but they don't have an ABSOLUTE set morals, that can not and do not change, which becomes a problem in the logical thinking of atheism.

For example, a christian would say they don't lie, or they try not to lie. This is not based on how they feel but is based on what they believe is a higher calling from a higher being, namely God. Everybody who is a christian should not lie according to the law of the God they serve.

However, an atheist can not claim that their morals are absolute. Each athiest can (and usually does) believe in different morals. Also, athiesm through-out history has been known to conjure up the most evil people the world has ever seen. And really really bad ideaology.

This is the reaons i've heard while lurking around debate forums.

[Mysticalmelody]

That's silly. I'm agnostic. I try not to lie not because I'm afraid I'll go to hell if I do. I think even if there is a god or an afterlife there's no hell. I think the only hell might be regretting what you did in life.

What matters to me is the way I live my life, because I believe it's all I've got. All that will be left of me when I die is other's memories of me. People can forget me completely cause I did absolutely nothing memorable, or they can hate me and curse me after I go because I was a bitch .. or they can remember me and miss me because I did a lot of good things.

Everyone knows what's right and wrong. They know that when others steal or lie it hurts them, and they know that it must be the same for others if they steal or lie. It's human decency.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

It's not where the morals come from, but rather if the person acts bad or not.

I suppose the show had to pick a woman who was nice and a good mother rather than getting someone who could "prove a point".

Athiest morals could come from laws or the upbringing of parents or the ideas that they could furthur the human race. It also could come from anything.

If you have no hope for a heaven or a fear of a hell or any belief of a diety then what COULD your morals come from? It could sway either way.

Now I do want to point out about the athiest acting as if they are the "opressed minority". Wah. Opressed because you believe in nothing? I want to understand something here. Now there are Christians or people who claim they are who don't act correctly to their fellow man. It says that you should love everyone as you love yourself. Love thy neighbor. Regaurdless what you believe there should be NO hostility between anyone. Set an example for yourself and show that you are an honest and upstanding person because of your Religion. That is something important that I believe.

We have to share a world with people who ARE going to have different beliefs than you and people need to learn to accept that or life is going to be a little less fun.

I'd also like to point out that most Christians aren't looking to "convert" people, but rather share the word of God. I'm going to be blunt and say that, in my religious opinion mind you, that you can't save someone who doesn't want to save theirselves. Being forceful and saying "YOU ARE GOING TO HELL IF YOU FOLLOW THIS PATH SINNER!" is being too harsh, way too harsh. You can't judge a person unless you judge yourself.

That tour in the B.C. museum made me giggle. This is because that, as Sperlock said, I don't believe in Creationism. Do I believe that the Earth was created in 6 days? No. I believe that God is powerful enough to do so, but I honestly don't believe it was. There really is no time limit to God and I have a passage in the Bible to back that up if I can find it.

The program was interesting and it helped me keep an open mind. I actually know a couple of athiest. One is a really cool guy and the other was a real prick.

Of course you are going to get those people no matter what they believe.

[Mysticalmelody]

Yeah well... I personally have a problem with people bent on converting people in their homes, etc... I'm an adult, and if i want to learn about your religion I will take initiative and go learn myself. I don't need you to come to my door and talk to me about it. I don't need you asking me personal questions while I'm on the bus like "have you been saved by the lord jesus christ?"

I also have a slight irk when people try to teach their kids their religion like it's the only possible way to believe, though I guess they can't help it. When I have kids I'm going to expose them to multiple beliefs. I'll tell them my beliefs but I won't brainwash them to ignore things that make sense to them because a religion deems things otherwise.

It really screws some kids up. For example many kids brought up in a christian house are raised to believe homosexuality is a sin .. but then some find later in life that they themselves are homosexual... Their religion says its wrong and that they'll go to hell for it .. but they feel it's the only thing they can do because it's who they are. I feel really sorry for those christian homosexual men who go to camps to cure themselves of the sin of homosexuality .. then surpress who they are and quickly marry.

Anyway the point is that people should be able to find their own religion. That doesn't happen when families force their kids into sunday school while they go to church services.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Yeah well... I personally have a problem with people bent on converting people in their homes, etc... I'm an adult, and if i want to learn about your religion I will take initiative and go learn myself. I don't need you to come to my door and talk to me about it. I don't need you asking me personal questions while I'm on the bus like "have you been saved by the lord jesus christ?"

I also have a slight irk when people try to teach their kids their religion like it's the only possible way to believe, though I guess they can't help it. When I have kids I'm going to expose them to multiple beliefs. I'll tell them my beliefs but I won't brainwash them to ignore things that make sense to them because a religion deems things otherwise.


It won't work. Children usually follow the parent by example.

[Mysticalmelody]

That's true, but honestly I'm a person very open to other religions, i believe some things from many different religions. I want my children to be open to them as well .. and if one really makes great sense to them then I think they should follow it. That's what I'll encourage. I haven't found one religion that quite fits what I believe. Also, some of the stuff I believe, a lot of people would just say "nah no way" any kids I have could easily do the same.

[Stephy]

(At school right now. Have to make this quick.)

I would like to point out that I am atheist, and I have very high morals, expectations, and standards. I also repect people's beliefs and religion, in hope they respect me right back.

Also, I want to see that show! Must check the time it will come on around here.

[seiji]

I'm Christian. My best friend in middle school worshipped Satan. Every once in a while we would have the following conversation:
"Why do you hate Jesus?"
"Why do you hate Satan?"
"Because he's evil and I don't like that."
"Well Jesus is a goody-goody and I don't like that."
"Hmm. Suit yourself."
"Cool. What movie should we watch next?"

[Mysticalmelody]

lol ... I really liked this one girl in my high school. She was really nice and sweet. She was also very christian. Her family followed the bible to a T. They didn't celebrate christmas at all, and they didn't celebrate easter with bunnies or candy ... also all the girls in the family grow their hair outwaaaay long. .and I think the men may have beards... buut she never really tried to preach to anyone. Whenever it came to someone trying to give her candy canes for christmas she'd just politely decline. Also, if it came to doing a school project with her, sundays were off because she went to church in the morning and spent time with family after. Her cousin was pretty much the same too.

I have no problem with anyone being any religion no matter how silly or odd their beliefs seem. Just so long as they don't expect me to convert and tell me i'm going to hell for not believing

[fa11en87]

I've consider myself a christian because that's what I was born into, sorta. I've never been an orthodox christian and lately I've started to actually read the bible!gasp* The God in the bible and the one people have been describing to me at church sound pretty different to me. Plus I really don't agree with some of the things in the bible and stuff so it's been pretty confusing. I think I might not consider myself a christian anymore, but I'm not sure. I kind of make up my own rules! Even if I'm not a christian or something I think I'll still have the same morals which are subject to change and always have been. I think alot of the rules that people have to follow because of their religion are very outdated.

[Black fist]

We had satanist at my school and they cool except for the whole burning themselves with candels things kinda of scared me cause I cringe at pain. I'm not "Christian" per se, at this point it more notheist while on the side trying to figure out which religion is right which I think is a mixture of all religon that their is no hell just how fancy your heaven is.

[h2orowe]

What's funny is I tend to be annoyed by both atheists and Christians. Although, I'm trying to build a better tolerance towards atheism (I'm already pretty tolerant towards Christians. Just annoyed that, even out of a group of like 6 people, I'm always the one who gets the freaking JESUS LOVES YOU WHY DO YOU HATE GOD lecture. ALWAYS.), because my mom's boyfriend left me with a bitter hatred towards Atheism. I always thought Atheists were like "Well, there is no God, so I'll do whatever the fuck I want *hits my mom* lawl *Strangles me* lawl *Drinks every day before work* lawl". So, yeah, that sorta made me hate Atheism for a bit.
Then, one day, I was talking to my friend Katherine about religion, and she was Buddhist. We had been talking a bit about religion that month, and then one day she was just like "Hmm, I think I'm atheist now." and I remember thinking NOOOOO OH MY GOD BLAHBLAH She's going to change!, I thought. She didn't.
Then my best friend Stanly, who also was Buddhist, ended up turning into an Atheist (Although, I think he's more Agnostic than Atheist.) So, I finally decided not to care really.
Then I found out Steph (Shylilsweety) is atheist, and just decided that good people are good people, no matter what religion they're born into.

Is anyone else sick of the question, "Why do you hate God?"

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Lol, "Why do you hate God?"

Response: "How can I hate something I don't believe?"

Most Christians follow the Bible to a T or end up coming up with their own interpritation which usually is a screwed up idea. I get angry when people like Pat Robertson and that "Baptist" church get all out of whack.

Remember children the person is corrupt; not the religion. For example; one time when I went to church my pastor made this startling statement about how homosexuals make him sick and disgusted and kind of yelled it. He's a loud man, but the thing cought my attention with the stuff about it on the news at the moment. What shocked me was the hate in his words.

Where do we get off hating when Jesus said, "Forgive them father for they know not what they do?" Even to his death he said, "forgive them."

This isn't a view on homosexuality. I will point out that I was raised to think that homosexuality was a sin and abortion is murder etc etc etc.

Basically I was raised with all these fundemental Christian views, but I've done my best to keep and open mind on what the world is like and not let the little world I am in be a shut in environment. I know people are different and that you can't always change the world.

There are some Christian people who won't even tell their children about sex. Some of them keep their children as shut ins and home schooled. Not that I'm saying home schooling is wrong, but they are so afraid what their children might experience in the public school world.

I was about to share a long story, but nevermind. Not all Christians are the mean fire and brimstone that they sterotypes lead to believe.

[h2orowe]

Lol, "Why do you hate God?"

Response: "How can I hate something I don't believe?"

I had told him how I was looking into Judaism as my answer. Then he was just like "LOL YOU'RE NOT JEWISH" and I was about to just say fuck you, but he's my personal trainer or whatever, so I can't say that.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

I had told him how I was looking into Judaism as my answer. Then he was just like "LOL YOU'RE NOT JEWISH" and I was about to just say fuck you, but he's my personal trainer or whatever, so I can't say that.


Next time he grills you say this:

"Look I respect your belief and I really hope you respect mine and leave it at that."

[h2orowe]

Next time he grills you say this:

"Look I respect your belief and I really hope you respect mine and leave it at that."
I was really really trying to say that, but he would interrupt me mid sentence, saying things like
"You see all this shit happening right now in the middle east? All this funky weather? That's no coincidence." Then went on a bit about how the appocalypse will be happening soon, "Then when you see God saving the Christians, you'll scream out 'Take me too! Take me too!', but he'll be like 'When I wanted you, where were you?' and leave you to suffer in hell." and I'm just like...
"Umm... ok. I wouldn't want to go to a heaven with a God who turns down people who are as nice and kind as I am, and eve more so, just because they didn't believe in him until he finally appeared." Then me and my cousin got dropped off at his (my cousin's) house. (The trainer was dropping us off.) And that ended the conversation.

[Jon885]

It's on FX right? I can't any listings so it must've been on only once.

[Klilynkun]

"Umm... ok. I wouldn't want to go to a heaven with a God who turns down people who are as nice and kind as I am, and eve more so, just because they didn't believe in him until he finally appeared." Then me and my cousin got dropped off at his (my cousin's) house. (The trainer was dropping us off.) And that ended the conversation.

dude.... you're (Edit) not (/edit) so nice. and besides. if this guys god is god then he has all right to cut you off. it's like saying that bill gates doesn't exist and when he's giving away free pcs you're like can i get one and he's like you didn't even believe i existed.

[Mysticalmelody]

I've consider myself a christian because that's what I was born into, sorta. I've never been an orthodox christian and lately I've started to actually read the bible!gasp* The God in the bible and the one people have been describing to me at church sound pretty different to me. Plus I really don't agree with some of the things in the bible and stuff so it's been pretty confusing. I think I might not consider myself a christian anymore, but I'm not sure. I kind of make up my own rules! Even if I'm not a christian or something I think I'll still have the same morals which are subject to change and always have been. I think alot of the rules that people have to follow because of their religion are very outdated.

Yep, I'm sure I posted this link before but I'll do it again.

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

Much of the bible is really outdated. Personally I find that all the inconsistancies and cruelty in the bible really make me disregard anything in it which isn't proven in history. All the accounts could be fabricated or exaggerated... The people writing the new testament must have known they were recording the history of a powerful man. They could have put things in he never said or never did.

I find it kinda funny that christians really pick out the bits of the bible they feel like believing, then preach it to everyone when the verse right below it says that you should cut off the thumb of a man who works with the dead or something like that.

[Klilynkun]

Much of the bible is really outdated. Personally I find that all the inconsistancies and cruelty in the bible really make me disregard anything in it which isn't proven in history. All the accounts could be fabricated or exaggerated... The people writing the new testament must have known they were recording the history of a powerful man. They could have put things in he never said or never did.


that may be true, but you can't prove that it isn't actually fabricated. Just because there is a lot of cruelty in it doesn't mean that it isn't real and that you should disregard something (like most muslim countries, and slavery around the world, etc.) - my brother also said that archeaologists are finding a lot of evidence for a lot of the things that are in the old testament.


I find it kinda funny that christians really pick out the bits of the bible they feel like believing, then preach it to everyone when the verse right below it says that you should cut off the thumb of a man who works with the dead or something like that.

That's true... i hear that a lot as well - my dad is realy the one that pointed out this hyprocrisy in churches (and almost all other worship type places, temples, etc.).

But those things actually do happen today, and some aren't even based on religious views.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

I find it kinda funny that christians really pick out the bits of the bible they feel like believing, then preach it to everyone when the verse right below it says that you should cut off the thumb of a man who works with the dead or something like that.

Your thinking of the Old Testestement. Christians follow the New Testement and the Old is just a collection of stories and guidelines that we follow. When Jesus came around we no longer had to stone people or cast people out of villages. There is nothing in the New Testement, that I know of, that says you should cut off thumbs or stone people.

[Xuande]

Your thinking of the Old Testestement. Christians follow the New Testement and the Old is just a collection of stories and guidelines that we follow. When Jesus came around we no longer had to stone people or cast people out of villages. There is nothing in the New Testement, that I know of, that says you should cut off thumbs or stone people.

The New Testament still isn't all love and kindness. In chapter 19 of Luke, Jesus tells a parable of himself as a king who announces in verse 27:
Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

[Rear Admiral Grapefruit]

I've always considered religion simply to be a sort of code of conduct for life, i personally am an atheist, i do not believe in a god of any sort. You don't NEED a religion to teach you basic morals and the basics of common decency, if people NEED this then obviously, they're thinking "hmm i want to go run down some senior citizens in my car, but i'll probably go to hell for it." That's the impression it gives, to think that you need to be told by someone not to do stupid crap and not to be an outright arse, is just rediculous. I was raised through religous schools, church of england and a catholic highschool (UK), and i've heard tons of religous crap as it's a mandatory subject, and quite frankly i find the religion to be full of crap, if you ever challenge a person on their beleifs, they can not possibly argue with anything other than some open ended quote with so many interpretations and little factual basis.

Essentially, if you take a look around you, there's nothing you can use as any kind of evidence for any sort of god, all that there is, is that retarded bible, a book that could so easily have been made up long ago, no-one can prove it really is the word of god, just as much as i can't really prove it isn't. But the book is taken a 100% truth by so many, and an EXTREME equivalence would be say, i don't know, nukes are fired, most ppl die, very few people left, society rebuilds and then generations later, someone comes across a Lord of The Rings book, and next thing you know, people are worshiping our saviour Gandalf the white and master frodo, deliverer from temptation! eg "do not give in to temptation, no matter how strong it compells you, do as our lord frodo did, ignore your temptation, remove the temptation, throw your ring of temptation into the great mountain of mor'dor!"

Personally, i just find alot of it to be crap, i figure, all you can do, is go out in the world, take a look around, forget what some random tool tells you and form your own oppinion, if there really is a god, you shouldn't need to be told that he's there, obviously he has the power to make his own presence known, and you can choose to believe it if that's what seems right. I look around, and i don't see it, i don't see god anywhere, millions of people think he exists, but not to me, quite often people can be wrong, and people want other people to believe the same things they do, to validate their beliefs, and they will pass these beliefs on, i consider it a little like music tastes, when you're a kid, you prolly listen to alot of the crap music your parents enjoy, and they'll say how great it is etc, and you'll take on what they say and believe it to be true, but when you grow up and you look for yourself, you realise that bands like Kiss and Def leppard and smashing pumpkins etc are actually really shit, and you find your own style, what you like instead.

ok, i'll go back to my corner now.

[Roxie]

The New Testament still isn't all love and kindness. In chapter 19 of Luke, Jesus tells a parable of himself as a king who announces in verse 27:

Yes but there is also a part where he is asked which of the commandments are most sacred..

Mark 12:28-31
28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29. "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
30. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
31. The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

This is how I live my life. Along with Let him who is without sing among you be the first to cast a stone.

[Mysticalmelody]

Christans are taught the old testament as well. That's why many don't believe in evolution.

[Stephy]

Does anyone know when this comes on for eastern time?

[Jetsetlemming]

You'd have to catch a rerun, and I doubt you'd find most Fx programming apropriate. :P Check yahoo's TV guides.

[PopCulturePooka]

One thing I'd like to say is 'LOL' at high school 'Satanists', who aren't satanist at all, more just punk kids who want to draw inverted crucifixes, say "I hates Jesus" and annoy christians.

[Roxie]

if you visit the website I provided, you'll see it comes on Wed @ 10pm and again at 11pm.