Jeez! Anti-Marijuana propaganda. [Archive]

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 03:36 AM

What the hell?! I just saw a commercial, where a little girl (around 8 or 9) was at a fair and she seemed lost, and the commercial said

"Just tell your parents you lost them because you were stoned"
Now, I'm not sure if it meant she had an older sister, but it sounded like they meant the little girl was stoned. Maybe, I missed a part of it, but that was the most stupid commercial I have ever seen.
Weed doesn't screw up your life, unless you have no ambition in the first place, sure it makes you lose ambition, but if you have strong will, you can smoke weed and do good.
My brother does, he's in college on the football team right now. He went to a JC and played football and smoked pot like a few times a day, and now he's in New Mexico, going to New Mexico Highlands University.
:eek: How much more bull do I have to swallow from this anti-drug campaign? I mean, focus on REAL drugs, not pot.

I've smoked weed once, and well, it was awesome, I did it like a month or two ago. I listened to the Mars Volta, played Guild Wars, and ate some chili fries, and felt the wind go through my arm hair. It was great, I could hear every single word, every single note, and every single beat in the music. I listened to Recover, Sparta, The Mars Volta, and others.
Guild Wars, I don't play it anymore, requires alot of alertness, so I was just going through the game like "uhhhh, ehhhh, mehhh" and like dying alot, but I was having fun. Those chili fries! Those things were gone in like.... I think 2 minuites, and they were pretty big. Weinerschnitzel, is like the place all the pot heads in my house go for food when they're stoned. It's way close.

We had 3 pot smokers in the house, when my brother moved, it went down to 2. My cousin, and my mom's boyfriend's son.

Anyway, I don't plan on smoking alot, but still, the commercials are bullshit.

All right, discuss the Anti-pot bull shit going on in this country, and your country. Please, keep the spam to a minimum.

Joe

09-03-2005, 03:43 AM

You're right h2orowe. A lot of it is propaganda, and bullshit, it's all this crap from republican christians who feel they know what's best for people. And it echoes from the Reagan era....

Heh, gateway drug my ass. All they're trying to do is guilt trip you into stopping. They figure they can't tell you pot kills people when they overdose on it, because you'd need to smoke barrels of it, so they pull these exaggerated situations out of their ass.

We gotta start rallying for pro marajuana lagalization ;) Yay marajuana.

For the record, I don't smoke marajuana. Nor have I ever, but I don't care if you or anyone else does. What you do in your privacy is YOUR business, and not me, not the government, not god, not anyone has a right to tell you otherwise. As long as you're not hurting anyone directly, then as far as I'm concernced, go nuts.

JustTooCrazy

09-03-2005, 03:46 AM

yea, uhh smoking is bad in general... thats all i have to say, but i do think that the anti-drug commercials do absolutley nothing.

ellie

09-03-2005, 03:46 AM

I enjoy the pot. I am a sophomore in college, I made decent grades, I even graduated high school with a 4.4 GPA. I am a fairly frequent smoker, but I seem to have my life more together than some of the non-smokers that I know. I go to the best public university in my state, and it's one of the best in the country. I don't see what the big deal is about weed. If alcohol is legal, I think weed should be too. I've done my fair share of both, and I personally think the effects of alcohol are much more dangerous than weed.

My dad smoked for years, as did both of my older sisters. We're kind of a pothead family. Yet, we are all productive members of society. My dad is an alcoholic and things aren't GREAT with him when he's drinking, but when he's not drinking it's all good. My second-oldest sister smoked lots of pot for many years, but graduated COLLEGE with her lowest grade being an A-. So I don't really see where the evilness of pot fits in with all this.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 03:54 AM

Pot>Alcohol by far. Drunks are assholes, abusive, and mean. I've never come across a fun drunk, as they say they are. I've come across one responsible drinker, and him being my non-pothead cousin.
Uhh it just pisses me off how hypocritical this situation is. It's like, kill brain cells, and yourself with drinking and don't worry about going to jail or being fined heavily. Smoke weed, and eat some cheetos, and you'll go to jail on a felony charge. Luckily, I live in California, so if someone has under an ounce on them, they only get a 36 dollar charge.

setrict

09-03-2005, 04:00 AM

I tried it once, and it didn't do much of anything. Even if it did, I just couldn't see myself doing it on a regular basis. Not worth the risks. The decision should be yours though, other people and the gov't should stay the hell out of our personal business. I mean seriously, a big mac a day probably has more health risks than a joint.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 04:04 AM

Hahaha, I can't wait to see another anti-pot video in school. I'm just going to laugh my ass off at the video. I'll be sent to the principals office. It'll be like
Pot head: Dad, mom, I'm going to kill you!
Narrator: Little Jimmy Everyteen, just smoked once, this could be you!!!!!

and I'll be like HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and the teacher will be like -.- this movie's bull, but will see me, and want to entertain herself/hiself, so she'll/he'll be like "Joey! Move your ass to the principal's office!"
and I'll walk in, and I'll catch the principal smoking a J.

Tssss..

09-03-2005, 04:54 AM

i think you have to smoke something like five joints to yourself to equal the legal intoxication level with alcohol.

regardless, i think marijuana should be legalized. it isn't nearly as harmful as alcohol, and it has the same effects as cigarettes long term.

and it isn't a gateway drug. lots of people smoke weed and never do any other drugs. the only ones that do are the ones that would have done it anyway. its more likely a gateway drug because you have to go to a drug pusher to buy it. and they make more money selling off coke and shit than they do off weed. so of course they're going to try to get you to buy that.........yeah.

anyway....i don't really think marijuana should count as a drug, but thats just my opinion.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 05:08 AM

Really, Alcohol and ciggerates are drugs, but people don't view them as that, because people are stupid.
Tss...... you're slowly changing my views on Republicans..... hahahaha, I'm still gonna be liberal though :p hahaha, but I'll be more open.

Myrsilus

09-03-2005, 05:23 AM

Hmm... Well I'm not so against marijuana but I do believe smoking is bad and everyone would be better off not smoking it for recreational purposes. My friends and I actually broke ties to one of my friends because weed made him the biggest asshole.

At first this guy was great... Funny, nice, liked good music, whatever else you can think of that is positive. And he did his school work very well. He was a great runner in cross country, too.

Then he started smoking weed... At first it wasn't that big of deal, but he became REALLY addicted. He started relying on cheating to get good grades (especially among fellow weed smokers), quite cross country, started penny-pinching on everything because he wanted money for weed, and generally became an asshole. We were once at a restaurant and had just finished eating... He had been complaining about the "high prices" and how it was ridiculous... Then he went to an empty table with leftover bread and tried to take it to eat. I was so damn ashamed to be around him.

He started talking about many of us behind our backs whenever there was an argument. He called me some names as well just because I wouldn't drive him to a party where there was lots of weed. He also almost had us arrested TWICE. Once when we were hanging out, he had brought some weed with him... Luckly he left before the cops came to see what we were doing out late at night. The second time is where I had dealt with enough... We were fishing out near a military base and BBQing some food. The military police came by and just wanted to know how the fish were acting tonight. Nothing big. Then he called me and said he was on his way... I told him straight out "DO NOT BRING WEED!" He laughed and said he wouldn't... He showed up later and decided to go to a nearby gas station for a snack... Couple of minutes later we here sirens and see him speeding like hell away from them. When he finally pulled over, he pulled over onto the incoming traffic lane. It seems he was trying to evade the police just long enough to hide the weed I told him not to bring... When they questioned him, he started saying how he was with us and we were just going to chill... We were pissed. When we talked to him about it, he said he was ready to have us all go down with him since he didn't want to go alone.

He was never like this when he didn't smoke weed... Hell I remember he hurt my friend's feelings really badly when he started trying to get my friend to drop cross country so they could party. When my friend said he wanted to train to win, my weed-smoking friend said "Dude, I'll GIVE you my trophies! Let's just get the fuck out of here!"

... huh... And now he has a huge drinking problem (almost got us in trouble with gang members) and sniffs cocaine. He is going to UT Austin to party, saying that his increased drinking and drug use will help him get ready for the parties over there.

So yeah... some people can handle the drug okay. Others can't, and it does become a gateway drug. It ruined a perfectly cool guy.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 05:44 AM

Heh, that sucks about your friend. Most people, well people I know can handle it. My brother's actually MORE tolerable when he's high, he was a douchebag most of the time without it. Except when he was LIT, than he was annoying, and just got on my nerves.
Yeah, people would be better off without it, but I still don't see why they don't just tax it and legalize it.
If noone did any drugs, we'd be off alot better, even caffeine, but that'll never happen.

RDClip

09-03-2005, 06:00 AM

Speaking of anti-pot commertials remember the "buying pot supports terrorists."

So, based on this statement, how many people did Jerry Garcia kill?

I don't smoke pot, but my high school friends used to (actually my whole high school did) and I can say I didn't know anyone who killed someone while high. Pot is happy, alcohol is the mad killing drug.

Ahimsa

09-03-2005, 06:00 AM

Mr. Macky: Uh, Marajuana's bad.
Street Guy: What?
Mr. Macky: Marajuana makes you feel depressed and low.
Street Guy: And you don't feel that way now?
Mr. Macky: Hmm, good point.

I really hate those anit-drug commercials. Individuals make bad decisions, it's not the drug alone that makes bad things happen to people.

JustTooCrazy

09-03-2005, 06:01 AM

Fujin, you still run cross country?

Myrsilus

09-03-2005, 06:03 AM

Another one of my friends ran cross country, not me...

JustTooCrazy

09-03-2005, 06:08 AM

oh, nevermind... i really dont know why i do it. i really hate it(running) yet its somehow fun.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 06:14 AM

CNagy

09-03-2005, 06:23 AM

Here's something that has never changed in, no matter where I've gone and no matter how many people who indulge in intoxicating substances i've gotten to know: you cannot trust a drug-user. Now, there are exceptions-- there are always exceptions. It doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of drug-users are idiots.

An altered mental state can be a fun thing to enjoy, but it affects your decision making processes rather profoundly. While a drunk tends to become incomprehensible, someone who is baked out of their mind can still think and attempt to talk their way out when things get really bad-- except that they are high and essentially they are just running their mouths. Ever had a friend get caught with weed, or a bong, or a bubbler, and claim that it was yours? Ever had a friend get caught growing and claim the plants were yours? Everybody wants to play, no one wants to lose; especially when the consequences are this bad.

Drugs change people. A friend of mine once had his grandparent's house all to himself for the summer, so we'd hang out there and party. I had a $150 bong, a great party piece-- the kind that lets you smoke for free when you bring it out at a party. As the summer goes on, the parties get larger. At one particular party, there were quite a few people I didn't know in the house, so I took my bong and told my friend that I was putting it up, and I didn't want anyone using it. Then I left the party.

I don't remember if it was on a whim, or if I had left something back there, but I decided to go back an hour later and what do I see in the middle of the desk, with no one I knew around it? Yeah, my $150 piece. When I confronted my friends about it, all I got were blank looks, yeah they took out the bong and no they didn't see what was wrong. I took the piece and went to get my others out of the house, only to catch some kid I don't even know taking a bubbler of mine out of a cabinet and putting it in one of his pockets-- so I slammed him into a wall and took it back.

I've since sold those pieces and pretty much stopped smoking. My brother hasn't though. He's one of those people that you can still trust even when he is fucked up, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't changed. After going to a movie stoned once, he can't go and watch a movie unless he is stoned. Where he once swore that it was stupid to smoke while driving, he now claims that he drives better while smoking-- nevermind that his original reasoning had to do with how much easier it was to get caught. Only smoking on weekends became only smoking on non-school days became only smoking after the gym (so as to not fuck up his workout.) Weak-willed? Maybe, but if you don't think something is harmful, why limit it?

I can say for a fact that pot is a gateway drug: using it removes the taboo of illegal substances because it isn't that bad by itself, taken in moderation. Some people are content to leave it at weed; others, taken off the chain by pot, decide to figure out if this situation is the same across the board. Why not try pills, lsd, hardcore barbituates? Maybe they got a bad rap too, maybe they have a crazy high. Why not try everything at least once? Granted, this would not be such an allure if it wasn't taboo to begin with, but you have to deal with the cards that you are dealt.

You might think that after all this I am pretty much anti-drug. Not true. I just know that it fucks up the majority of its users; the ones that can truly handle it responsibly are few and far between.

l337m45t3r

09-03-2005, 07:22 AM

Zero Tolerance, oh yeah. Add Tobacco to that list too.

setrict

09-03-2005, 06:42 PM

I can say for a fact that pot is a gateway drug: using it removes the taboo of illegal substances because it isn't that bad by itself, taken in moderation.

I think that is a key argument for legalizing it. Not to promote its use, but to distance it from the far more serious drugs, and limit the gateway effect.

koku

09-03-2005, 06:47 PM

It's one less obstacle. that gets in the way of life.

And.....it can be addicting. Chemicly...mabye not, but mentally I believe it can get someone to get addicted(well on a different level than other things because in reality anything can make you mentally addicted).

I don't know, I have friends who smoke pot alot and they're just not in college, not really motivated to do anything...and the pot's not helping.

Not sure if it's as bad as this or that, but I choose to stay away from it for alot of reasons.

EDIT: I think legalizing it would be kind of scary...all the people who probably will just have a small experience with it, shape up and become responsible adults will just be exponentially more apt to fall into the pot smoker catagory.

Sure there's people that smoke often/sometimes and still take care of business, but there's also a significant ammount who lose track of what's important.

If you legalize it...I just think that makes it alot harder for a kid to grow up without having it in their face or being put into the position to smoke.

Which I really can't agree with. It just makes getting through school, college, and becoming responsible much harder.

that's what I think atleast.

StormShadow

09-03-2005, 06:52 PM

I would say pot is a gateway drug... to a degree. I used to smoke heavily and frequently. I had gone on to try shrooms and opium. But it stopped there. Many friends whom I had that smoked have quitten as well, lead normal lives and are great citizens. Enter my friend James. He has done meth and snorted Aderol now. All my friends try and get him to stop, but it just got him into a bad crowd, and that took him down to a very scary place for his true friends to see him in. Mary-Jane on it's own is nothing bad, but when you let yourself be drawn into the drug culture, where many worse things are, than it becomes something bad.

And as for weed versus alcohol? I was able to drive stoned, I would NEVER drive drunk.
And about those commercials? I NEVER forgot an important event due to weed. FOrgot facts and homework and peoples names and words, but I NEVER forgot an important event. And those things I had forgotten? THey came back after a couple minutes of thought. I had gotten 100% on tests before under those circumstances.

Final results: Smoking bud isn't bad as long as that is all you do. If you go in with good friends and a clear sense of what ou are willing to do and what you never will, things will be alright

caseylim

09-03-2005, 07:02 PM

well, I smoke cigarettes before, about 2 sticks, it's like tasting cigarette air, nothing's cool. About marijuana, I wonder where does those drug come from, well it is clear that drugs sre neede for medical purpose but to think that they are to be bad used.

Those that are pitiful that got no money to buydrigs smell glue. after while the glue hs gone it's aroma, they hheat it up and smell it again. I mean why the hell deos they do this kind of stupid things?

koku

09-03-2005, 07:11 PM

as to the gateway drug thing:

I agree it is. Another big reason i think is, look at pot smokers who have smoked for a while. Alot of them barely get as high as they use to anymore, infact some don't really all that high. Some of those people eventually will think

"well, i miss the old days where I'd get really high, mabye I should try something stronger."

no? Possible yes?

I agree with Fujin and cnagy though.

Cnagy you're situation's scary :P. Seems like you lived it for a while.

caseylim

09-03-2005, 07:15 PM

koku

09-03-2005, 07:36 PM

People say, does that started to take drug is because they smoke. Smoke is the root that make people take drug.
Since I'm no drug taker, I wanna ask what does it feel when you take drug? Don't tell me it's like alcohol and masturbation where it becomes a habit ? How does it make you hook on it?

because you enjoy feeling "high" and different.

But then things when you're sober or not high seem boring and mild to when you were. After that you just don't want to [insert social event] unless you're high. And when that starts becoming more frequent than it should....that to me Is the addicting stage.

I don't think it's worth the risks. Mabye I'm just paranoid. I do drink, but I see more people drink on weekends/at social events and lead normal lives. I'm a believer in the

"most alcoholics are predispoded to become one or soemthing happened in their' life(like a death, trauma, depression) to make them become one. To become addicted to weed, sometimes is just a matter of bad luck or being average and not having a very strong will).

lesser of two evils in the long run? Well, I think so...only because I see examples of it more often.

caseylim

09-03-2005, 07:46 PM

Besides sniffing glue, another way is sniffing marker pens. These stuff got a certain chemical that could make you get hooked if you sniff it for too long. I pity some teschers that are victims of it when they smelled too much ink when writing something down on the boards.

Anyway, what is the feeling of 'high', is it making a certain person being bold and does things the way he/she wants? he/she wants to expose/free them selves from something like being an alcaholic drunkards.

setrict

09-03-2005, 08:42 PM

Not directly related to this thread, but something I found interesting. In Psychology classes we studied the effects of Marijuana. The body builds up a tolerance to many drugs and medications. In order to get the same effects, you start to require more each time to receive the same effect. Marijuana is the opposite, as time goes on it requires less to receive the same effects.

I'm sure this trend has limits, else some people would have smoked themselves a perma-high by now - but it's interesting, and would tend to support the idea that smoking it can have long term effects behaviorally since it would have to alter your body chemistry for extended periods in order to show the 'reversed' tolerance effects. The sentence added because my grammar teacher would turn over in her grave if she knew I tried to make a one-sentence paragraph.

koku

09-03-2005, 08:48 PM

setrict...wow really? because if you speak to veteran potheads they will tell you they don't get as high as they used to, and that they have to smoke alot more.

CNagy

09-03-2005, 09:04 PM

They don't feel as high as they used to, because they become used to being affected for long periods of time: effected long enough to assume that they are sober when they are not. A good example of this is smoking at night, going to sleep, and waking up stoned. Now imagine the feeling persisted until that evening when, like clockwork, you smoked some more. Eventually, it would take some really killer shit or a lot of your usual quality to really drive the fact that you are high home to the brain.

setrict

09-03-2005, 09:08 PM

You are right, I should have googled it before posting from memory (it's been 10 years).

According to another study that was developed by Dr. Heath and several other doctors in 1972, they discovered brain wave patterns being altered in the septal region. This occurs by the THC (drug in marijuana) bundles up or accumulates in and alters fatty structures of cell membranes. The THC accumulates at the fat interface and causes the film of fatty material to be restructured. This leads to a specialized structure of the cell surface. Basically you are remodeling your cell membranes. However, one is not destroying his cell membranes, he is just restructuring them. When you destroy brain cells or cell membranes they can not be replaced. A marijuana smoker does not destroy his cells, he is altering them or damaging them.

Chronic users may experience more prolonged effects due to a build-up of cannabinoids in the tissues. Some heavy users have reported feeling effects weeks or even months after stopping. However, there is no evidence that these are detrimental to safety.

I think what I was remembering was that the THC starts to build up in the body. Chronic users do need more do feel the a deviation from the norm. I think what my old prof was saying is that the 'norm' is what changes.

koku

09-03-2005, 09:29 PM

I guess that makes sense when the "norm" changes. But for early smokers, atleast when I experimented, I'd high as a kite as they say.

Veteran smokers complain that they have to take alot more than they use to for that the happen though right? So in a sense, aren't they building tolerance?

Doesn't that go agaisnt the study that setrict pointed out?

CNagy

09-03-2005, 09:42 PM

No, they aren't building tolerance so much as they are never coming down. If a veteran smoker stops smoking for a couple of months, he'll find himself back at square one. The only problem is that it can be mentally addicting so quitting for that period of time without another reason (getting caught, money, etc) is hard for alot of people.

setrict

09-03-2005, 09:44 PM

Doesn't that go agaisnt the study that setrict pointed out?

Probably :D

My info is from one prof a few years ago, so I may be remembering completely wrong. I remember at the time thinking "oh, so that's why I had trouble feeling it", since my experience was just the opposite. I didn't get much more than mental itch from smoking one. It made sense that you have to build up the THCs.

I wonder if the ability to absorb the THC's goes down as the body approaches saturation level. Then what I remember the prof saying would make sense. You need less THC, but due to the lower absorption you would actually have to smoke more. I really have no idea though for sure though, just wondering aloud.

Citizen

09-03-2005, 09:54 PM

Keep it illegal outside of medical purposes. Sure, other drugs are legal. Sure, that's hypocrisy. Get over it. Marijuana isn't needed outside of medicine. The only other pro is that it makes you feel good. Too damn bad. Feeling good isn't worth the risk of an altered state of mind.

The statement "make it legal because alcohol is" sounds pretty solid, but when you get down to it, it's idiotic. One harmful thing being legal is not a reason to make another harmful thing legal.

Would I do it if it was legal? Probably, but it's not, and I have enough respect for the law to get the fuck over it.

CNagy

09-03-2005, 10:05 PM

Actually, I've yet to see use for medicinal marijuana that can't also be treated with other medicine. The only real case to be made for medical marijuana is that it doesn't need to be manufactured, processed very much, or anything like that. It's a natural remedy for cancer pain and that sort of thing.

Citizen

09-03-2005, 10:10 PM

Yes, I know.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 10:45 PM

koku

09-03-2005, 10:47 PM

who agrees with this statement, or atleast the first half.

"most alcoholics are predispoded to become one or soemthing happened in their' life(like a death, trauma, depression) to make them become one. To become addicted to weed, sometimes is just a matter of bad luck or being average and not having a very strong will).

Citizen

09-03-2005, 10:53 PM

Actions can't be predetermined. Certain situations or mindsets can cause people to do drugs or drink, but they are still far from being predetermined.

As far as acting more responsibly goes, I highly doubt it. Considering the fact that when in an altered state of mind, you're not as aware of your actions, and more likely to do things you wouldn't. They may think they are better off when high, but they're not. I've seen studies that show that marijuana effects reflexes, thought proccess, etc. Never seen anything that shows that it improves anything.

Also, putting yourself in an altered state of mind to begin with is irresponsible. Fact is, no alcoholic is responsible, and no stoner is responsible, so I'm not sure how you can praise one and bash the other. And before anyone brings it up thinking they can catch me being a hypocrit, yes, I do drink. I just have enough of a grasp on reality to admit that it's irresponsible, I only do it because it's legal, and if it was illegal I would feel the same towards it as I do about marijuana. That is to say, that there's no real reason for it to be legal.

Loc

09-03-2005, 10:54 PM

I agree with the second half, if you are weak willed, you're screwed really.

I know a really really really bad stoner (drummer of our band actually) who is almost constantly high, it's weird really, he never seems happy unless he's stoned :/

I'm not gonna say whether or not people should be banned from doing it though, in moderation it's fine in my opinion but people can get addicted to it, maybe just mentally, but it messes them up.

edit - yeah I agree with you there h2orowe, there's a song about that over here by The Streets...funny video.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 10:55 PM

I meant, Stoned>Drunk in responsibility. Unless, you're stoned drunk, that is fucking annoying as hell, GIGGLE GIGGLE BLAH BLAH BLAH GIGGLE GIGGLE.

Citizen

09-03-2005, 10:57 PM

There is no "this dumb action" > "that dumb action" when it comes to respoinsibility. There is no merit in one thing not being as bad as another if both are bad to begin with.

Trying to say there is is just a flawed way to try and validate something.

Daishikaze

09-03-2005, 11:00 PM

Citizen, You're my hero

koku

09-03-2005, 11:04 PM

Citizen

09-03-2005, 11:08 PM

doing someting only because it's legal and then dropping it if it's not??

I think there should be a bigger reason. reason I don't smoke marijiuana isn't becuse it's illiegal,it's because I've ruled it not worth the risks.

It shoudln't all of a sudden change if it goes legal, CITIZEN :P

no?

Actually, I stand by my reasoning. The law keeps me safe. Unless a law is insanely stupid, I follow it. If alcohol was made illegal, I'd drop it, because I know I don't need it.

JustTooCrazy

09-03-2005, 11:19 PM

Drinking should be illegal, I know so many irresponsible alcoholics.
The United States already tried that and it didn't work at all. People started making a business out of sneaking in alchohol over the boarder and crime rose tremendously...

But I mean if they want to try to ban it again I wouldn't care.

Jormungand

09-04-2005, 12:43 AM

those anti drug comercials r fucken horseshit they just wana make me go get stoned even more just to fucken spite them and as long as tabaco and alchohol r legal thers absolutly no fucking reason that weed should be illegal

Tssss..

09-04-2005, 01:49 AM

i think its better to smoke weed than it is to get drunk. i think if alcohol is legal than marijuana should be legal, because i think its unjust to persecute those who smoke as opposed to those who drink. i would be equally happy if they made alcohol illegal, but history shows that won't work. the drug war is a waste of money and time.

also, people can get addicted to anything. all it takes is a long term habit to make an addiction. so i don't really consider the addiction argument that compelling.

basically, i believe that every single human being has character flaws, and those flaws are more apparant when the person in question isn't sober. it doesn't matter what they're on, their inhibitions are lowered. so i think it depends on the person and their flaws to determine whether or not they can handle alcohol or marijuana. certainly, everyone can't. obviously.

i'm just not interested enough in this to continue.

koku

09-04-2005, 02:06 AM

.

i'm just not interested enough in this to continue.

what do you know, you have both your nipples pierced.

Tssss..

09-04-2005, 02:10 AM

.........huh?

Cluey

09-04-2005, 05:22 PM

Well, again on the pot debate for me. I have a clear ideal that I'm never gonna take any other illegal substance than pot. Why? Because I know what coke and heroin addicts look and act like. I never want to be that person.

Even when I take pot I dont like getting so high I dont know what Im doing. Its just cool to chill with it.

nickyle

12-21-2005, 03:06 AM

Hey Citizen are you crazy? do you actually do whatever the government tell you? or whatever is socially acceptable? you are a complete fool

Phyphor

12-21-2005, 03:20 AM

Hell, people act more resposibly (that I know) when they smoke, and not drink.
Drinking should be illegal, I know so many irresponsible alcoholics.

What Kokujin said? That if you were gonna be an alcoholic it's pretty much predetermined. Well, the same can be said if you're going to do other drugs.

Drinking WAS illegal, back in the 20s and 30s. Of course, that caused the creation of bootleggers, which later led to the creation of the Mafia.....

The rest is history...

Cool Bones

12-21-2005, 03:51 AM

we should burn stoners, they're not human anyway :D
and adds don't work because if they're stupid enough to do it, they're stupid enough not to stop, it's a waste of cash

Praetorian

12-21-2005, 05:11 AM

All right, discuss the Anti-pot bull shit going on in this country, and your country. Please, keep the spam to a minimum.

Nothing really. While it's not really encouraged, it's legal and nobody gives a smeg. It's illegal to do it in most public spaces, but nobody cares. On my school yard some people smoke weed and the teachers don't care.

Kyoushu

12-21-2005, 05:24 AM

My favorite anti-marijuana commercial was this one where a little girl was standing out by a pool, and we're supposed to assume she falls in and dies. It says something like "Just tell the parents you were getting high, they'll understand."

The only thing I can ever think of when I see that is "What if you're taking a big shit or something?"

Komachi Angel

12-21-2005, 05:55 AM

I've never seen it do any good in anyone's lives, but I can remember a lot of times it has caused a lot of grief, pain and unhappiness on not only the smoker but those around them.

I said this once before, but I will repeat it here - we may have alcohol and smoking, etc. but I don't see why we need yet another substance into the bargain.

Regardless of whether the ads make their point or no, I think it is highly irresponsible for anyone to use substances to the degree whereby they lose control. When you have other people who are going to be affected by your actions negatively, I think it is not only childish, but selfish as well. Only children go on with such behaviour, and what does it say for you if you can't even exert control over yourself?

Seriously...

mangamuscle

12-21-2005, 06:38 AM

After reading the posts in this thread I found no one has come to the conclusion that this is an economical problem. As long as there is demand, there will be a supply. That is why in the 1920s the alcohol prohibition failed. That is why the "War on Drugs(TM Richard Nixon)" has failed. If people want drugs, they will get them. As a matter of fact, the allure of "prohibited substance" will make many people try them at least once (I mean, glue can be bought at most convenience stores, yet close I have yet to heard about one u.s. citizen highly addicted to it). This gets us to the next problem. As drugs become illegal or restricted on the U.S.A. their price in the black market soars, making organized crime automatically involved in its production, transportation and distribution. That is why in Mexico we have this huge problem with the drug cartels, because they have huge amounts of money due to the artificial high profits of selling illegal drugs.

The true and only answer, make them legal. That will make the price drop faster than an anvil in a warner bros toon. As prices go down, drug cartels will stop selling them, so it will be harder to get the drug now that you can only get it from pharmaceuticals or local gardeners. What is more important, the quality would improve (the fear of a lawsuit for ingesting tainted pharmaceuticals can scare even big companies) and the dosing would standarize therefore death from overdose/poisoning would become almost nonexistant. As an added bonus, you will stop the booming prision population growth, that is mostly from drug related crimes.

For those saying that legalizing drugs is wrong, the reality is that drugs are legal, namely tobbaco(nitotine) and alcohol and many people die each year (many after prolonged agonies) so as popular culture says "either you let them all or you let none". What I would do is prohobit any kind of advertizing for drugs (be it alcohol, nicotine, steroids, marijuana, cocaine, etc.) outside of medical circles.

Snake eyeS

12-21-2005, 11:48 AM

In holland there is a debate going on if we should legalize the growing of weed plants. if that becomes a law you (like above poster said) eliminate millions of drug related problems, every street here has atleast 1 person who grows plants to sell illegally. its also quite stupid that dutch coffeeshops are allowed to sell a set amount of weed, but are not allowed to buy it from people who grow it.(so they have to make weed apear out of thin air so to speak, because they cant grow it themselfs either)

When the sales and growth of weed is legalized, you will stop seeing small time criminals getting rich of weed. Here in holland we are getting closed to solving thew weed problem.. when will other countries follow?

Idlethought

12-21-2005, 02:34 PM

Lol what's funny to me is that propaganda or not youre still turning your lungs into coal

yogi

12-21-2005, 08:05 PM

Pot aint good for you sure. But a nice spliff is more enjoyable then getting drunk. Plus one of my friends becomes way more bearable high. (although I really want to give up both and be pure, but it kills my social life)

The thing that works for alcohol is, is that most people only drink at parties or when there out. If you drink all the time your an alcoholic and thats considered a bad thing. Stoners generally smoke all the time and its just normal.

Plus heaps of my friends are just unreliable now. And I know of a few promising sporting careers that died due to weed. Whether thats actually a bad thing or not is up to your value of sport.

mangamuscle

12-21-2005, 08:31 PM

The thing that works for alcohol is, is that most people only drink at parties or when there out. If you drink all the time your an alcoholic and thats considered a bad thing. Stoners generally smoke all the time and its just normal.
But one has to wonder, how many "stoners" would only smoke at parties if it was not illegal.

Plus heaps of my friends are just unreliable now. And I know of a few promising sporting careers that died due to weed. Whether thats actually a bad thing or not is up to your value of sport.
Alas, you forget to mention how many athletic careers have flourished thanks to steroids, it is simply a matter of choice.

edit:The Globe and Mail is reporting that researchers at the University of Saskatchewan are claiming that high doses of cannabinoids have induced new brain cell growth in the hippocampus, the part of the brain responsible for learning and memory, in rat subjects. There are some interesting potential implications in regards to high doses of cannabinoids found in substances like marijuana. Article available here (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051014.wxcanna1014/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/)

yogi

12-21-2005, 09:24 PM

[quote]Alas, you forget to mention how many athletic careers have flourished thanks to steroids, it is simply a matter of choice.[quote/]

I was actually thinking of cricket.. I pretty sure they dont use steroids, what has that got to do with pot making people undispilined anyway?

ref: Stoners not being stoners if it was legal.. I dunno man In my experience people I call stoners get stoned semi daily basis, I dont think it would matter. Cause they think they need it, its their escape.

ref: scientific study
Learning and memory??! I must of not be having enough..

mangamuscle

12-21-2005, 11:00 PM

what has that got to do with pot making people undispilined anyway?
That is (and should always remain) your choice what drug (if at all) you consume. If you want to exceed in atletics anyone knows damn well that pot is the worst choice as an athletic enhancemet drug, but if they went that way, it was out of their free will.

ref: Stoners not being stoners if it was legal.. I dunno man In my experience people I call stoners get stoned semi daily basis, I dont think it would matter. Cause they think they need it, its their escape.
No doubt it is their scape out of the anxiety of not having a support net of friends/family around them, since drugs are illegal the only people that hang around stonners are stonners and that is a vicious circle.

ref: scientific study
Learning and memory??! I must of not be having enough..
... or maybe you have had too much and therefore you do not realize the improvement since you haven't tested that improved brain of yours to its new limits :p