There is something that has been bothering me [Archive]

Yachiru

07-15-2006, 10:48 PM

Fellow members of op9,

There is something that has been bothering me for a while. There is growing feeling of hostility on this board…and it makes me sad. I understand that not everyone can get along… but we could try to be nicer to each other. If you have an argument with someone, try to work it out like normal people.

Don’t say mean things that are not necessary at all and also hurt other people’s feelings.

Maybe I sound like a little child now, but I just don’t want the community to fall apart. I like this board and it makes me sad that things are going this way now.

I hope you all understand. I really don’t mean to offend anyone. I just want OP9 to stay a happy and peaceful place!

Much love

Yachi(shan)

Shamu

07-15-2006, 10:54 PM

I agree with you Shan.
I've noticed that many of the posts are going down hill and becoming down right mean and rude.
The same thing has been happening on the IRC as well (or was happening a few weeks ago).
I don't know if it's growing pains or what, but it also makes me very sad.
It would be nice if everyone would stop hiding behind their computer screens and actually have alittle respect for their fellow members, things might get better, but I guess that isn't always possible. =/

My guess is that the good people will get tired of it (if it doesn't stop) and eventually just stop posting. I've come close several times. :gloomy:

MeneerDijk

07-15-2006, 10:58 PM

I also noticed an increase in hostility towards eachother. People get personal in discussions and the normally light harted RWPW turns into a flame fest. This has got to stop. It increases my workload too, and throwing bans around doesn't improve the athmosphere on this forum. So i hope people will show some restraint and solve their squabbles in a respectful manner.

paideuo

07-15-2006, 10:58 PM

I wholeheartedly agree! obvious irony

Decade

07-15-2006, 11:02 PM

I can admit to taking part in a few, and I can make an honest effort to try to avoid them from here on out.

I would like to say though I've made an honest effort already though to try and speak intellectualy with at least a couple of the people I've argued with.

Unfortunately, I can not honestly say that for either of them it has gone the other way around. Regardless, I can learn to be the bigger man and just add them to my ignore list if I feel they've really become to ignorant to speak or listen to as I've done with a couple members already.

Jon885

07-15-2006, 11:05 PM

I've noticed there's a lot of condescending pricks here, and at first that bothered me, but after thinking about it I've come to the decision that I like it that way. See, because I don't like people acting like something they're not. Nothing bothers me more than when people aren't being genuine.

MeneerDijk

07-15-2006, 11:10 PM

I wholeheartedly agree! obvious irony <- Hidden by font color

It seems you feel adressed by this thread, shape up instead of hiding your true opinion.

Nights_into_dreams

07-15-2006, 11:12 PM

It seems you feel adressed by this thread, shape up instead of hiding your true opinion.

I'd personally prefer it if he was banned, but that is beside the point.

I agree...be nicer everyone ;_;

I don't want to see this place go bad :gloomy:

Decade

07-15-2006, 11:14 PM

I think the first step to starting to deflate the problem is to try and not put hostile statements in this thread itself.

Embers like this begin the flamefest. While I'll try to take this to heart when it happens to me, please try to just let it go just this once here and now to show you're both making an honest effort to contribute to what's trying to be accomplished in this thread.

Shishio

07-15-2006, 11:22 PM

I have found that if you behave in a polite manner, or at least neutral, that you will rarely have any problems with others.

And if someone antagonizes you despite your efforts, just ignore them. People that feel the need to assert their superiority over others tend to be insecure, and they thrive off putting others down. If you do not feed them, they will go away.

It's so simple, but of course noone listens, because everyone has to have the last word.

Kwiz

07-15-2006, 11:34 PM

El_CJ

07-15-2006, 11:42 PM

That's always been the way I roll, Kwizard. :D

I can honestly say that I was shocked, SHOCKED (as in my monacle fell into my glass of expensive wine) to see 3 threads locked for flaming from the time I went to bed to the time I woke up, considering I hadn't seen many (None at all that I can recall (Hey, that rhymed.)) flames before like two weeks ago.

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-15-2006, 11:45 PM

I agree.

People need to be more polite to each other despite if they are new or your views differ from theirs.

As Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?"

paideuo

07-16-2006, 12:16 AM

And if someone antagonizes you despite your efforts, just ignore them. People that feel the need to assert their superiority over others tend to be insecure, and they thrive off putting others down. If you do not feed them, they will go away.

Quoted for UNtruth. The fact of the matter is I AM superior and I have no doubts as to that truth. Not feeding me does not prevent me from annoying you. Even if you ban me, I shall haunt your dreams and fill your souls with darkness.

On a more serious note, I really haven't been that bad. I have pretty much just been joking around, whereas others have genuinely been antagonistic to me and others. I would say that PCP is quite the offender; Mr. Humphry (douche-bag trolling noob) is not without his sins; PlF has probably been the most antagonistic person on these fora, but people laugh it off saying, "Oh, it's PlF up to his nutty antics again. What a crazy goof-ball!"; and Crowley has hardly once issued a serious statement. I find that Crowley really does nothing but criticize and mock, really. But it's okay. I find it all to be quite enjoyable.

In a world where pretty much everything is censored and there's very little that can be said due to considerations of what's p.c., it's nice to have a forum like this where you can say what you wish with impunity and where you can joke in a manner that wouldn't be socially acceptable in the real world.

Let's not get our panties in knot over a few relatively harmless jokes...

paideuo

07-16-2006, 12:20 AM

I'd personally prefer it if he was banned, but that is beside the point.

I agree...be nicer everyone ;_;

Wow. The coherence of this just blows my mind. Let me reverse the order, so you can all see just how much sense it makes.

"I agree...be nicer everyone ;_;"

"I'd personally prefer it if he was banned, but that is beside the point."

Sir, you seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance. You seemed to be in favour of one thing and seemed to be in favour of that very thing's antithesis in the same breath. At least contradict yourself over the span of several posts like I do, not in the very same one.

Roxie

07-16-2006, 12:37 AM

omg...i must really be from the internet of hardknocks school...cause thread like this will get you flame broiled.

SDSUMarcus01

07-16-2006, 12:58 AM

omg...i must really be from the internet of hardknocks school...cause thread like this will get you flame broiled.

I agree...

Although I will admit that I'm getting frusrated with the fact that in my more recent thread some people have been trying to start flame wars over prejudice that they imagine I have. i.e.: I mentioned a trend I noticed in J-doramas and somebody runs their mouth off asking why I think American dramas are better even though I never mentioned American dramas... stop that shit, seriously.

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 01:10 AM

I would say that PCP is quite the offender;

PlF has probably been the most antagonistic person on these fora, but people laugh it off saying, "Oh, it's PlF up to his nutty antics again. What a crazy goof-ball!"; and Crowley has hardly once issued a serious statement.
Reason why Cuntwreck is we are established members of this community. We have friends here and have been around for at least a year.

You are a n00b. A n00b that appears to have come for no more reason than to start trouble and get abusive.

It'd be ok if you were funny. But really you aren't. You flames, retorts and insults are dime a dozen crap you'd see anywhere. Theres nothing original about what you have to say, nothing stylish about how you do your thing.

You're boring. Thats the problem. If you flamed creatively, did something interesting, people may not have an issue.

But you are so very... droll.

And on that...

I CHASED LACEY OFF THE BOARDS! FOREVER!

kitsunepixie

07-16-2006, 01:14 AM

I can honestly say that I was shocked, SHOCKED (as in my monacle fell into my glass of expensive wine)

Thanks for the mental imagery. It made me giggle. :clap:

Nights_into_dreams

07-16-2006, 01:14 AM

Wow. The coherence of this just blows my mind. Let me reverse the order, so you can all see just how much sense it makes.

"I agree...be nicer everyone ;_;"

"I'd personally prefer it if he was banned, but that is beside the point."

Sir, you seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance. You seemed to be in favour of one thing and seemed to be in favour of that very thing's antithesis in the same breath. At least contradict yourself over the span of several posts like I do, not in the very same one.

I believe that removing you would help things become nicer for everyone, so I am hardly contradicting myself here :P

To be honest, the largest problem I have with you seems to be your mean-spirited attacks upon other people, alongside your statements about homosexuality. It's fine to not like it and voice your opinion, but calling people "fags" is abit over the line (not to mention against the rules of the forum, I believe).

Be willing to stop being so mean-spirited against other people, and I'd be more than happy to try to get along with you, kk? :)

paideuo

07-16-2006, 01:18 AM

Reason why Cuntwreck is we are established members of this community. We have friends here and have been around for at least a year.

You are a n00b. A n00b that appears to have come for no more reason than to start trouble and get abusive.

It'd be ok if you were funny. But really you aren't. You flames, retorts and insults are dime a dozen crap you'd see anywhere. Theres nothing original about what you have to say, nothing stylish about how you do your thing.

You're boring. Thats the problem. If you flamed creatively, did something interesting, people may not have an issue.

But you are so very... droll.

And on that...

I CHASED LACEY OFF THE BOARDS! FOREVER!

Firslty, the notion that you think you have friends here is perfectly laughable. I sincerely doubt that you have even a one. And I know that you don't have any in real life (I've seen pictures of you).

Secondly, you seem to have made two very grave errors. I haven't come here to flame and neither have I come here to entertain you.

Thirdly, you have used the leeto word, n00b, and I laugh in your face for it.

Fourthly, my retorts and insults are meant to be stupid. That's kind of the point. That's the joke and if you don't like, well, I don't know what to say really, since I don't think to myself as I am writing them, "how can I make my posts funny enough for the standards of the disturbingly ugly loser PCP?"

Finally, I think that in that very post of yours, you proved what a douche of a flamer and troller you are, gloating over your defeat of CrazyAce - a decent, caring, and actually creative individual who had more of a place on this forum that you ever did or ever will.

paideuo

07-16-2006, 01:19 AM

I believe that removing you would help things become nicer for everyone, so I am hardly contradicting myself here :P

To be honest, the largest problem I have with you seems to be your mean-spirited attacks upon other people, alongside your statements about homosexuality. It's fine to not like it and voice your opinion, but calling people "fags" is abit over the line (not to mention against the rules of the forum, I believe).

Be willing to stop being so mean-spirited against other people, and I'd be more than happy to try to get along with you, kk? :)

I don't have anything against gay people. That was the point I was trying to make. Tibs had made a post using the word "faggot" in a derogatory way and I was offended so I said what I did about them to get the point across that using the word "fag"/"faggot" in the manner in which he did was entirely unacceptable.

I certainly don't mind getting along with you either.

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 01:24 AM

Firslty, the notion that you think you have friends here is perfectly laughable. I sincerely doubt that you have even a one. And I know that you don't have any in real life (I've seen pictures of you). Attack on appearance? oh how clever. Not heard that before.:clap:

Secondly, you seem to have made two very grave errors. I haven't come here to flame and neither have I come here to entertain you.You also obviously haven't come here to be a valued contributing member.

Thirdly, you have used the leeto word, n00b, and I laugh in your face for it.Oh no, the nobody troll wants too laugh at me. Oh boo-hoo. Go call people fags more, thats much more high class.

Fourthly, my retorts and insults are meant to be stupid. That's kind of the point. That's the joke and if you don't like, well, I don't know what to say really, since I don't think to myself as I am writing them, "how can I make my posts funny enough for the standards of the disturbingly ugly loser PCP?"Even as 'stupid' they fail in the arse. Pretty badly. Because its nothing we've seen before. Its stupid like watching reruns of Full House. Outdated, out of style and simplistic.

Finally, I think that in that very post of yours, you proved what a douche of a flamer and troller you are, gloating over your defeat of CrazyAce - a decent, caring, and actually creative individual who had more of a place on this forum that you ever did or ever will.I chased away a hanger on because I said I found her sigs too big?

Oh noes.

Roxie

07-16-2006, 01:28 AM

I can honestly say that I was shocked, SHOCKED (as in my monacle fell into my glass of expensive wine)
A member of LRWG (legue of rich white gentlemen) I see?

paideuo

07-16-2006, 01:32 AM

Attack on appearance? oh how clever. Not heard that before.:clap:
It may not be original, but neither was your reply to it. At any rate, even if it wasn't original, I bet it got to you quite a bit and that was the point of it - not to be original.

You also obviously haven't come here to be a valued contributing member.
I haven't come here to be valued, because I do not need you people to hold me in high esteem, but I haven't come here to flame either.

Even as 'stupid' they fail in the arse. Pretty badly. Because its nothing we've seen before. Its stupid like watching reruns of Full House. Outdated, out of style and simplistic.

Again, not my job to entertain or impress, but as long as you seem to think that its everyone's incumbency to impress and entertain one another, I should say that you don't do a very good job of it yourself. I have never seen you say ANYTHING funny and I'm not just saying that to insult you.

I chased away a hanger on because I said I found her sigs too big?

Oh noes.
Whether or not she was a valuable member of this forum bears no relevance. It's still the case that you are a flamer and antagonizer who played a big part in her leaving. As far as I know, my annoying behaviour has yet to cause anyone to leave this forum for good.

Nights_into_dreams

07-16-2006, 01:34 AM

A member of LRWG (legue of rich white gentlemen) I see?

http://martinschneebalg.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/monocle.jpg

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 01:39 AM

It may not be original, but neither was your reply to it. At any rate, even if it wasn't original, I bet it got to you quite a bit and that was the point of it - not to be original.
Nah not really. Why would the words of a no-one get to me?
I mean really cupcake.

I haven't come here to be valued, because I do not need you people to hold me in high esteem, but I haven't come here to flame either.Not here to flame. Not here to be valued, not here to make a valid contribution? Not here to be liked?

Why are you here? Its not like you are wanted by anyone really.

Again, not my job to entertain or impress, but as long as you seem to think that its everyone's incumbency to impress and entertain one another, I should say that you don't do a very good job of it yourself. I have never seen you say ANYTHING funny and I'm not just saying that to insult you.Yeah you are. Really. And besides, you are new. That line hardly holds water when you are some wet behind the ears nothing.

Whether or not she was a valuable member of this forum bears no relevance. It's still the case that you are a flamer and antagonizer who played a big part in her leaving.

Big part? Like I said, I said her sig was to large. She didnt like that and ran to her trailer after a diatribe where she ripped on and attack innocent partis (eg Joey).

As far as I know, my annoying behaviour has yet to cause anyone to leave this forum for good.
Only because you aren't a blip on anyones radar. Once you get banned you will be forgotten in a month. You will be nothing more than the other droll banned or forgotten types that have come and gone here. Why would people be hurt by anything you have to say when nobody really cares enough about your presence?

Anyway sugarcakes, hate to stop out bit of foreplay, but I gotta work.

El_CJ

07-16-2006, 01:45 AM

A member of LRWG (legue of rich white gentlemen) I see?

No, not yet :(

I'd have something more witty to say, but oh woe alas, I figure I should respond with *something* before this thread gets "teh lockd."

Nights_into_dreams

07-16-2006, 01:47 AM

No, not yet :(

I'd have something more witty to say, but oh woe alas, I figure I should respond with *something* before this thread gets "teh lockd."

Rehosted picture: :p

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g134/Nightsintdreams/monocle.jpg

Duke Luke of Juke

07-16-2006, 01:49 AM

paideuo

07-16-2006, 01:50 AM

You continue to return to the insult that I am "nobody". You have used that repeatedly and not just in this thread - which I don't really understand, since I really haven't done anything that should have given you the impression that I fear being a "nobody". 99.9999 % of the people on this planet are nobodies. If they can tolerate it, I can.

It seems that that may be a particular sore spot for you, since you keep bringing it up? Perhaps you weren't well-liked in high-school? I dunno'.

Also, that you may not persist in your delusion, let me say that to be a "somebody" here on OP9 really is still to be a "nobody". I am sure that you don't have people stopping you on the street, saying, "ZOMG! It's you, PCP. You're awesome 'cause you're well-known on OP9 and 'cause you've been on OP9 longer than Paideuo - that douche whom I have already forgotten." The fact that you've been here longer than I really just speaks to what a sad character you are; it speaks naught as to whether I am a loser or a person without merit or not

P.S. I guess it's okay to be an ass and flamer when a person's sig is too large - to the extent of the person leaving, no less - but when you just want to joke around and have fun it's a problem. Makes sense.

Nights_into_dreams

07-16-2006, 01:51 AM

But what about him (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/member.php?u=63)?

The name alone indicates greatness!

El_CJ

07-16-2006, 01:52 AM

I think everytime someone says something mean about me, or rude in general, we should ban them. And then, once there's only Steph, Joey and I left, we can make a new colony of only the most polite, most attractive posters.

E-Eugenics for the win! Wait, that's not a good idea.

Hey, how come I'm not included in the "polite/attractive posters" set? I offer my deepest, heartfelt apologies if I have somehow offended you, sir!

Jetsetlemming

07-16-2006, 01:57 AM

I haven't offended anyone. ;_; Have I? I TRY to be nice! Really! :gloomy: And you all need to stop commenting. Just, stop saying things about people (paideuo), stop responding to jerks (everyone else). Just ignore the flamers and focus on the good people. Like me. :)

ZaichikArky

07-16-2006, 02:07 AM

I really have noted no hostility other than the n00b trolls usual antics, and I think it's just because we've had more of them lately. Sometimes, the more you ban them, the more they come back with new names and more trolling.It just depends on whether you laugh it off or take it seriously like members are in this thread. I knew it would happen too. Just don't take it seriously, that'll all they want, is for you to get mad about it.

gyoza

07-16-2006, 02:12 AM

This might be too old school for many of you, but do you remember this commercial in the late 70's/early 80's about pollution? There was this Indian standing on the side of the freeway, looking over the polluted landscape. A car drives by, and they toss some litter, which lands at his feet. Camera pans up to catch a teardrop falling from the Indian's eye. Right now, I could picture Mahatma Ghandi, standing somewhere in the parking lot, surveying this scene, with the fucking teardrop rolling down his cheek.

And I imagine the OP reading this thread with the same reaction. Stop flaming, and if you have a problem with someone take it to PM, or something, but at least get it the spork out of this thread... please?

paideuo

07-16-2006, 02:13 AM

paideuo

07-16-2006, 02:21 AM

I thought this had been done to death, but apparently it hasn't been done quite enough. Let this be the last time.

Internets is serious business grande finale:

http://www.pissnvinegar.com/wp-content/seriousbusiness.jpg
http://www.luke.af.mil/607ACS/images%5Csb.jpg
http://jeroenr.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/internets.jpg
http://www.punk4free.org/images/news/internetserious.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a237/ben456/untitled.jpg

Lighten up people. And I was once accused of being too serious... >_>

ZaichikArky

07-16-2006, 02:30 AM

LOL. I love the Bush one. And I'm not saying that you're a bad Op9ner. Just that it's silly to fight.

Shishio

07-16-2006, 02:32 AM

Quoted for UNtruth. The fact of the matter is I AM superior and I have no doubts as to that truth. Not feeding me does not prevent me from annoying you. Even if you ban me, I shall haunt your dreams and fill your souls with darkness.

If you really believed that, you would not make a point of telling people, because it would be beneath you.

For example.

I am sure everyone here has knows, or knows of, at least one aggressive person that likes to engage in physical altercations a lot.

People that tend to behave this way tend to do so because they are insecure. They do not constantly fight because they are tough as most people probably believe, but rather the opposite, their aggression stems from their insecurity. They fight to prove themselves. To control others because they cannot control themselves.

Now compare such a person to a competent martial artist. I'm not saying they are all the same, but from my experience, I can tell you that for the most part, martial artists are some of the nicest, most courteous, and most respectful people you will ever meet.

Do you know why that is? Because martial arts inspire confidence in practitioners. And because they are confident, they are much less aggressive, and therefore more respectful of others.

Martial arts is a truly incredible thing. I think everyone who is able should practice them.

Decade

07-16-2006, 03:28 AM

Is it wrong that I kinda expected somehow this thread would turn into another flame war? :gloomy:

Zonehunter1

07-16-2006, 03:32 AM

Its a rule somewhere: threads about flames will devolve into more flames.

Shamu

07-16-2006, 03:37 AM

Everything seems to turn into a flame war around here these days =/
Everyone seems to be PMSing...I wish everyone would take some midol, pull the sticks out of their asses, learn to have some respect for others and move on :box:

EDIT: Or that the mods just go on some kind of banning/locking rage. That would be fun to see. Meneer, Citizen and Kass in their full glory of Mod powers :P

japanat

07-16-2006, 03:43 AM

Paideuo and PCP, if you want to have this argument (which is the antithesis of this thread's purpose, I should think), at least do the rest of us the favor of taking it to PM. Then you can argue to your hearts content, w/o bothering the rest of us?

I'd rather read about monocles and cheap ripple!

Stephy

07-16-2006, 03:51 AM

I think everytime someone says something mean about me, or rude in general, we should ban them. And then, once there's only Steph, Joey and I left, we can make a new colony of only the most polite, most attractive posters.

So silly Lukey. Good idea though. Lets go! :karate:

Oh. This forum is nice. I like everyone. It is one of the few and favorite websites I go to daily. I love op9. Very close. Almost like a little e-family. I wish everyone could get along and things could be nice and happy, but that isn't always the case. We can all try to get along, or we can be more responsible and use the ignore feature and not go to a level of flaming another individual. Lets just enjoy eachothers posts and be kind and considerate and open about each and every persons posts and opinions. :)

Rudeness should not occur and shall not be tolerated. Also I think Matt is doing a great job. I think we can all help him by not involving ourself in flames and eaily ignoring the problem before it becomes something huge! There is a report option you know. Skip over someone who is being rude. And be a good person, if you feel you want to discuss something with someone or feel there is a problem, PM them. It is simple. Don't make it public and into a problem. PMing is important ladies and gentleman lets make use of that! Discuss the matter like grown adults/teenagers and responsible people. All this hostility can be avoided.

paideuo

07-16-2006, 03:54 AM

If you really believed that, you would not make a point of telling people, because it would be beneath you.

For example.

I am sure everyone here has knows, or knows of, at least one aggressive person that likes to engage in physical altercations a lot.

People that tend to behave this way tend to do so because they are insecure. They do not constantly fight because they are tough as most people probably believe, but rather the opposite, their aggression stems from their insecurity. They fight to prove themselves. To control others because they cannot control themselves.

Now compare such a person to a competent martial artist. I'm not saying they are all the same, but from my experience, I can tell you that for the most part, martial artists are some of the nicest, most courteous, and most respectful people you will ever meet.

Do you know why that is? Because martial arts inspire confidence in practitioners. And because they are confident, they are much less aggressive, and therefore more respectful of others.

Martial arts is a truly incredible thing. I think everyone who is able should practice them.

I agree with you. The only problem is that what I said was a joke. I am clearly not better than everyone here. :frypan:

Druid

07-16-2006, 04:14 AM

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/NicholasAbraham/different.jpg

Shishio

07-16-2006, 04:46 AM

The only problem is that what I said was a joke.

I know that. I just wanted to rant about the subject despite that.

kitsunepixie

07-16-2006, 05:05 AM

Waybe we could start a thread in which people say nice things about one another for a change? Or an "apology" thread to help blow off some of this steam?

Nebosuke

07-16-2006, 05:26 AM

Perhaps this belongs in the 'dearth of content' thread, but I'm going to say it here. In my opinion, this is exactly the reason why there is so little quality posting activity as of late. It is nigh impossible to hold any sort of discussion without it rapidly devolving into utter crap as either two or more wankers decide to engage in a dick duel or some funny man decides to derail the thread with some exceedingly poor attempts at offensive humor.

When I found that even my own posts were becoming about as inciteful as they were insightful, I decided that it just wasn't worth it anymore. So now I'm back to just lurking for the most part.

mrhumphrey

07-16-2006, 10:30 AM

Im sorry for being rude to the peoples of op9 yesterday. I know that hostility doesn't bring satisfaction, but is a mindless and insensitive way of dealing with your boredom. I will no longer pwn people.

Firefly

07-16-2006, 11:00 AM

I think a certain amount of hostility and different opinions is needed- what's the fun if everyone agrees on everything, and always gets along? I like reading debates...I would prefer it if everyone didn't agree. I admit, I do find trolls funny. Bob was hilarious.

However, personal attacks and continued flaming are a bit over the top...there is no need to call people harsh names or flame every thread they make and/or post in.

I also think people are very sensitive on this forum. One small spark of rude feelings and someone is getting hurt...it seems like nobody is really "taking a joke" anymore. :meh:

One thing I used to like about OP9 is that in one thread, two people could totally be going over the top on a debate and even exchanging harsh words...and joking around and having fun in another. It seems like that doesn't happen very much anymore...enough with the grudges already!

Like Shannon, said, hopefully the forum is just PMS-ing and we'll go back to normal soon :blank:

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 11:48 AM

We will
The forum hasn't changed.

Its merely part of a cycle that always happens here.

Give it two weeks.

羽之助

07-16-2006, 11:50 AM

dick duel

I'm sorry, the first thing I thought of was two men using their dicks like swords to have a duel.

Dearth of content indeed ...

Zaysho

07-16-2006, 04:00 PM

Nah not really. Why would the words of a no-one get to me?
I mean really cupcake.

At this point I shouldn't be replying, but I just got here people. May I just ask, if Paideou's word's didn't get to you, why bother posting a reply to what he has to say in the first place? I mean, really...

Sorry, I wanted to get that out of the way. I'm generally a lurker on the boards, so I've really never noticed if someone's being mean to someone else or not. I've exchanged my share of harsh words at least once, but I don't think some jackass would force me to leave. Jackasses with a superiority complex and think they could jump on people's backs and give them a hard time over nothing is what makes me want to leave (not this community of course). I've seen it on other forums I've been a member of in the past, and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. The reason I came here was to get away from those idiots in the first place.

On a side note, why do three people (possibly more) have the same avatar? Is this some joke I haven't been around for? Really, it's pretty confusing when you identify someone with a certain avatar and then that avatar is being used by others.

Trump

07-16-2006, 06:02 PM

Something most people could do to learn. Saracasm (among other things) does NOT translate well into text. If that is what you are going for, be careful because it will more than likely be taken the wrong way.

paideuo, you especially should be careful because from what I have seen of your "humor" it is heavily based in cutting sarcastic remarks about people and touchy subjects. It is VERY difficult to tell if you are being serious or not. Since you wrote it you know what you meant, but most others do not. Just keep that in mind.

Stephy

07-16-2006, 06:08 PM

On a side note, why do three people (possibly more) have the same avatar? Is this some joke I haven't been around for? Really, it's pretty confusing when you identify someone with a certain avatar and then that avatar is being used by others.

It is a silly joke they are doing. Nights and Pooka were only copying Yachiru. She allowed it I am guess so no problem there (although I sometimes get confused too :P)

paideuo

07-16-2006, 08:34 PM

paideuo, you especially should be careful because from what I have seen of your "humor" it is heavily based in cutting sarcastic remarks about people and touchy subjects. It is VERY difficult to tell if you are being serious or not. Since you wrote it you know what you meant, but most others do not. Just keep that in mind.

Why is the word "humour" in quotations? Are you insinuating that I am not funny or that I am being a douche and later conveniently sweeping resulting issues under the rug by referring to my remarks as mere humour and facetiousness? :)

Anyways, point taken.

For the record, my style of humour is joking-about-joking, inconspicuously self-deprecating foolishness.

Edit:

Perhaps this belongs in the 'dearth of content' thread, but I'm going to say it here. In my opinion, this is exactly the reason why there is so little quality posting activity as of late. It is nigh impossible to hold any sort of discussion without it rapidly devolving into utter crap as either two or more wankers decide to engage in a dick duel or some funny man decides to derail the thread with some exceedingly poor attempts at offensive humor.

If ever I enter into a thread and bring up inappropriate topics and things that don't relate to the discussion at hand, it's usually because I don't find the thread interesting or intelligent, or the opinions and ideas expressed in it insightful or reflective of profound understanding, and, consequently, don't have anything to say concerning the topic at hand. Boredom gets the better of me and I try to shift peoples' attention away from things that bore me to things that are slightly more interesting to me. Remember my wishes are paramount and that, although the majority should wish to talk of this or that, if I don't want to, we're not gonna'. (j/k) I guess I am a troll of sorts, but not an intentionally malicious one. I am just a bored individual who wants others to entertain me, but, as I said in my other posts in this thread, it isn't your duty to do so; I just want you to do so. So do it!

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 09:03 PM

At this point I shouldn't be replying, but I just got here people. May I just ask, if Paideou's word's didn't get to you, why bother posting a reply to what he has to say in the first place? I mean, really...

Because flame wars are FUN!:clap:

Paidou, what you are essentially saying is you want to derail threads and attack others merely because YOU dont like a thread?

Heres a better, more user friendly option.

Don't post in the thread.

If people have a notion about you already as a troll, its because essentially you are very new and came on swinging. There wasn't much else to think. Fine it might be your own sense of humour, but you left no time for establishment or for people to get to know you before you started attacking people and making harsh jokes, derailing threads, for your own amusement.

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:05 PM

I can only argue with you on one point and that is that I am not attacking people. The only three people whom I have come any near attacking in serious manner are you (definitely), Tibs, and PlF (definitely).

Actually, there were more, but I was just defending myself in their cases. These people I retaliated against in the beginning when I had first started posting on these fora when I got into that argument with PlF. I don't really count them. But if you must know, they were: Decade, Angelyne, Crowley... I forget the rest...

MeneerDijk

07-16-2006, 09:07 PM

text

I agree with Pooka here, if you're not interested in a thread, don't post in it. Simple as that. Not everyone agrees with you on wich threads are boring or not. Derailing a thread intentionally is a bannable offense here.

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:12 PM

I agree with Pooka here, if you're not interested in a thread, don't post in it. Simple as that. Not everyone agrees with you on wich threads are boring or not. Derailing a thread intentionally is a bannable offense here.

Oh.

Well, it's just that, as people are saying in the "The Dearth of Content" thread, there really aren't any quality threads anymore. That's the reason I see myself as having to derail threads. Also, I don't want to create my own because that never turns out very well, as people aren't big fans of the Paideuo here exactly... That was true even in the beginning when I wasn't as annoying as I apparently am to people now.

MeneerDijk

07-16-2006, 09:17 PM

Oh.

Well, it's just that, as people are saying in the "The Dearth of Content" thread, there really aren't any quality threads anymore. That's the reason I see myself as having to derail threads. Also, I don't want to create my own because that never turns out very well, as people aren't big fans of the Paideuo here exactly...

Still no reason to mess with other peoples threads. You only created three threads like a month ago. Try creating a serious one where you discuss the topic with people without trying to be a funny troll. You'll get a lot more respect from people. Try it, it's refreshing. However, if this forum us just a place for you to play around and disturb threads, then you aren't welcome.

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:20 PM

I have been a lot more serious in the past. It was only about a week ago that I started being really troll-esque...

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:22 PM

Tibs

07-16-2006, 09:23 PM

Everyone's open to change.

MeneerDijk

07-16-2006, 09:32 PM

In fact, if you look at the posts of mine that people have had trouble with you'll find that the vast majority of them were in TRWPW - a place where such posts will always find a home, or so I thought.

And I quote, "If it's off-topic, zany, nonsensical, and has anything to do with kancho, take it here. You lunatic."

It doesnt say anything about aggrevating people, so don't. And you said yourself it's your aim to troll and derail. You aren't making a very good case for yourself... And i think this is a non-discussion. You stick to the forum rules or get the ban-stick. End of story

Firefly

07-16-2006, 09:39 PM

Oh.

Well, it's just that, as people are saying in the "The Dearth of Content" thread, there really aren't any quality threads anymore. That's the reason I see myself as having to derail threads. Also, I don't want to create my own because that never turns out very well, as people aren't big fans of the Paideuo here exactly... That was true even in the beginning when I wasn't as annoying as I apparently am to people now.

Derailing threads isn't going to help the content of threads made. It's just going to make things worse. :meh:

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:40 PM

It doesnt say anything about aggrevating people, so don't. And you said yourself it's your aim to troll and derail. You aren't making a very good case for yourself... And i think this is a non-discussion. You stick to the forum rules or get the ban-stick. End of story

Is it the case that purposeful derailment of a thread is necessarily subsumed under the label of "trolling"? Why not "zany," "off-topic," or "non-sensical"? All three of those words are included in the description of TRWPW.

I think a troll is characterized by malicious intent. I haven't been purposefully malicious. That's why I said "I am something of a troll" and not "I am a troll". By 'something,' I meant that I display some of the outward characteristics of a troll without really being one as to my intent. In my opinion, I am not a troll, unless 'purposeful derailment' absolutely always falls under "trolling" - in which case, I would have to think of myself as being such.

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 09:44 PM

Purposeful derailment, in all sub forums including RWPW, has been an issue on this board before. The general consensus is don't do it, especially don't force it for your own amusement.

Why did you try and derail Meneers popsicle thread? Because you didn't like it? Others did, so what right did you have trying to change it because you didn't?

People have been banned before for continuoly derailing threads and going off topic. Eg Jay, who got three temp bans in a month for it.

Duke Luke of Juke

07-16-2006, 09:45 PM

Paidou, what you are essentially saying is you want to derail threads and attack others merely because YOU dont like a thread?

Heres a better, more user friendly option.

Don't post in the thread.
I'm not trying to take sides here, but what would you consider your frequent posts that go something along the lines of, "This thread doesn't deliver"? I see it as a thread-derail, and an attack on others (namely the OP), merely because you don't like the thread.

PopCulturePooka

07-16-2006, 09:46 PM

I'm not taking sides, but what would you consider your frequent posts that go something along the lines of, "This thread doesn't deliver"? I see it as a thread-derail, and an attack on others (namely the OP), merely because you don't like the thread.
I do the inverse a whole lot more.

"This thread delivers, 10/10"

Jetsetlemming

07-16-2006, 09:51 PM

Everyone's open to change.
I'm not. Screw you, Tibs! :mad: Anyway, really, p-dog (becuase I don't feel like looking down to find your screen name, copying it, and pasting it), just remember the don't say anything at all if you've got nothing nice to say rule. If you really can't keep your desire to piss someone off in check, go mess with some other forum, and post normally here. :)

paideuo

07-16-2006, 09:59 PM

I'm not trying to take sides here, but what would you consider your frequent posts that go something along the lines of, "This thread doesn't deliver"? I see it as a thread-derail, and an attack on others (namely the OP), merely because you don't like the thread.

Perhaps, but I really can't say that I do that in sub-fora other than TRWPW where I thought such things to be welcomed or at least welcomed to a greater extent that they would be elsewhere.

Why did you try and derail Meneers popsicle thread? Because you didn't like it? Others did, so what right did you have trying to change it because you didn't?

I didn't have a right to change it, but I wanted to. It doesn't have to change, if you don't want it to. The consensus feeling about a thread is what's most important. If I make an attempt to change the topic of the thread, and it changes, I can not be blamed since that is clearly what is desired by the participants. Since the topic did not change, we can safely say that others did not feel the same way and did not agree with me. They handled it wisely and made it clear what they wanted the thread to be about.

The reason I did it is that I thought that that would be a great thread in which to make a point about the nature of OP9 and it's deterioration. It is afterall expedient that one should have examples close at hand of the thing he is decrying. (No offense to you, meneer. I hope you don't take that personally. It's not a reflection on you. Really)

paideuo

07-16-2006, 10:00 PM

I'm not. Screw you, Tibs! :mad: Anyway, really, p-dog (becuase I don't feel like looking down to find your screen name, copying it, and pasting it), just remember the don't say anything at all if you've got nothing nice to say rule. If you really can't keep your desire to piss someone off in check, go mess with some other forum, and post normally here. :)

To be fair, it's not necessarily a desire to piss people off.

Also, I don't really know what you mean by "post normally here". There is such a variety of people here - such a plethora of ways in which people post - such a panoply of things that are said. You will have to be more specific. Should I alter my sense of humour (I am not saying that I have a good one.)? Should I just not derail threads. Help me out. :)

Shamu

07-16-2006, 10:10 PM

I keep hearing things about "most other forums" and stuff, and people talking about how things are done on other forums, yada yada yada, so on and so forth and the thing that alot of new people don't understand (and even some old people that haven't gotten it yet) is that, this isn't like most other forums.
That's why most of us like it here. There's been some strong bonds and friendships formed here, that don't really happen on other boards (I'm a member of several, both big and small forums, and they are NOTHING like this place).
We don't shun new people, but there is somewhat of an order here and to be able to get away with things (Such as Pooka does), you need to gain our respect first. Tibs has done it in a relatively short time and he gets away with many silly things now, because he was smart enough to figure out the order.
We're not really a normal forum, we're more like a highly disfunctional family and there are alot of sensitive people here (myself included, and no, I will not get over it. I like my sensitive self) because we do care about the others and we dont' like to see people getting attacked.
Having said that, I also agree with Firefly that debate is good. It wouldn't be fun if we all agreed (hell, even Meneer and I don't agree all the time :P), but there is a line between debate and just down-right disprespectfulness and meaness. I think we all forget that everyone here is an actual person (unless you're Random, who I believe to be AI :D) who may or may not care about what other people say, but it's obvious when you involve yourself in a flame war, that you do care, or you would just walk away from the thread/discussion. Too many people need to get the last word in and it just makes me want to kick your asses and tell you to stfu, because who really cares? If you've lost, you've lost, go off and lick your wounds without whining about it here.
On that note, the internets is serious business...I get so sick of that phrase sometimes. Yes, the internet is meant to be an informative, boredom breaker, whatever, and people have the right to say whatever they want here (blah blah blah) but it's a much nicer place when people have some respect for eachother.

On another note, while Matt is here with me in Texas, I get to hold the ban stick for a bit \o/ (if I'm really nice to him), so be prepared, because I am evil and not nearly as nice as people think I am. :D :karate:

paideuo

07-16-2006, 10:14 PM

Tibs

07-16-2006, 10:15 PM

I fit in like a shoe in an ostrich factory. ^__^

Jetsetlemming

07-16-2006, 11:11 PM

Also, I don't really know what you mean by "post normally here". There is such a variety of people here - such a plethora of ways in which people post - such a panoply of things that are said. You will have to be more specific. Should I alter my sense of humour (I am not saying that I have a good one.)? Should I just not derail threads. Help me out. :)
Whatever kind of posting that won't get you in trouble with the mods, post here. If you think they won't like it, hit some other, less cool board with it.

Jetsetlemming

07-16-2006, 11:14 PM

On another note, while Matt is here with me in Texas, I get to hold the ban stick for a bit
*cough* *snicker* ;)

japanat

07-17-2006, 02:31 AM

Well, it's just that, as people are saying in the "The Dearth of Content" thread, there really aren't any quality threads anymore. That's the reason I see myself as having to derail threads.

Actually, Paideuo, I like sarcastic humor, I like cutting into people where appropriate, I enjoy put-downs. But there are three rules I follow:

1)Don't hijack other people's conversation - that's rude in real conversation, rude here.

2)Try to keep the humor related to the subject at hand - non-sequitors are annoying.

3)Try to be inventive or at least original

Some of your jokes I've liked (a few were actually LOLs). But some are just too out there, too offensive, or just so unrelated to the matter at hand that I can't catch it. In another context it might be funny, just not at that point.

If you're bored, don't trash someone else's conversation. - That's what my 6-yr-old son does....

Masa the Masta

07-17-2006, 03:11 AM

I fuck Flaming Shoryuken brains. FIGHT THE PROLETARIAT.

Anyway, I think these forums have always been rather rude and filled with arguments. That's just how these forums are. We're allowed the freedom to express our opinions with a little bit of flame. That's just how we feel strongly about something. I can't really speak for people on the forums, but I doubt anyone would REALLY wish harm for another forum goer in real life, or really hates them, but that's just how we are as people. Maybe we're just a unique group of people that have brains and balls. In any case, what would we accomplish if we were nicer? More unity? Please, these forums are already more tightly knit than my sister's fedora hats. And that woman can knit.

The point is, people on these forums will always be condescending, intelligent, random, but we're still friends in the end. That's the essence of outpostnine. It's got its own atmosphere, kind of like how 4chan does...though that's not to say 4chan and OP9 are alike at all.

Anyway, as far as outpostnine and I go, I'm about as subtle and fitting in this place as an airhorn in a library.

Fred

07-17-2006, 03:17 AM

The New Testament Greek Lexicon
Original Word: paideu/w
Transliterated Word: Paideuo
Parts of Speech: Verb

Definition:
1. to train children
a. to be instructed or taught or learn
b. to cause one to learn
2. to chastise
a. to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
1. of those who are molding the character of others by reproof and admonition
b. of God
1. to chasten by the affliction of evils and calamities
c. to chastise with blows, to scourge
1. of a father punishing his son
2. of a judge ordering one to be scourged

I think this definition speaks to Paideuo's intent.

Druid

07-17-2006, 03:21 AM

Anyway, as far as outpostnine and I go, I'm about as subtle and fitting in this place as an airhorn in a library.

I tried that once. It was awesome.

But to be on topic, meh. Boards tend to have a rise and fall of productiveness. And usually, if it gets low enough, it'll go caput all together. Only the really good ones can stand the tides of time. So really, it's up to the members. Yarr, with a keen eye, only one truth prevails.

Mysticalmelody

07-17-2006, 05:03 AM

Paiduo ...... If you're saying those insults you said to people were all sarcastic like jokes not really meant to offend... really I think stuff like that should be saved until after you know people better. I don't go walk up to someone I just met and say "haha you're such an asshole!" The relationship needed to find humor in that really isn't there between me and that person yet. Also, just as much as you take cracks at people you should make compliments too, even if they too are a bit sarcastic... think of the jokes told at a roast.... end it with something nicer... let them get you back (and don't keep replying forever with more insults in order to have the last word)

Even if you had been watching the boards for a while you haven't posted very consistantly and really haven't made any relationships with the people you insulted as far as I can see.... so .. really you should know better than to try and insult these people jokingly

07-17-2006, 02:53 PM

I love you all! Lets make babies.

c-rex

07-17-2006, 05:11 PM

paideuo
Oh, oh paideuo, mock me. The horrible text will make me go and cry. Let's see I got a Star Destroyer icon so you can call me a nerd. I play hockey so you can call me a toothless goon, and I like beer so I'm a worthless drunk.

This guy is like Bob, only not anywhere near as clever or funny (and I'm too lazy to read 4 pages of thread to see if someone has already pointed that out).

I'll evne make some typos so eh nca ca11 me stoopid!

paideuo

07-17-2006, 05:33 PM

I'm too lazy to read 4 pages of thread

You should probably rectify that problem.

D-pad

07-17-2006, 05:36 PM

I read 2 and gave up, though it did reassure me, you are indeed an ass.

paideuo

07-17-2006, 05:59 PM

By the way, who is this 'Bob' character? Maybe I can learn from him...

D-pad

07-17-2006, 06:02 PM

Bob was a slight troll who unlike you, was creative and funny.

paideuo

07-17-2006, 06:13 PM

Links, people. Links. I want to see his actual posts.

D-pad

07-17-2006, 06:17 PM

http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/search.php?searchid=122778

Druid

07-17-2006, 06:18 PM

Sorry, No matches. Please try some different terms....

paideuo

07-17-2006, 06:37 PM

Nevermind, I found his posts.

I remember Bob, actually. Not that funny really, if I remember correctly, but, as I have said, I am not really funny either, but that's okay because it's not my job to entertain or be creative - and clearly you people don't think that of yourselves either...

Fred

07-17-2006, 07:07 PM

I am a constant source of amusement TO MY SELF.

I think I am going to capitalize the last three words of all of my sentences FOR SELF AMUSEMENT.

Unless I find it boring or other people find it annoying, in which case I am GOING TO STOP.

I hope I am not being too serious FOR THE INTERNET

paideuo

07-17-2006, 07:23 PM

I was bored so I thought I would make a case against your irrational belief that Bob was funny:

(I will add the name of the thread and include any quoted material as necessary)

When did shamu get a website?

"Taboo food" thread-

Pork rinds and sausage

Funny?

"Taboo food" thread-

Who-fu .. not meat but meant to taste like it
Specifically tofu marketed in the US with the real taste and texture of human flesh, not sure how anybody would know that

Ill try that if I ever find any

"Plastic surgery is cheating you bastards..." thread -

What the fuck is a double eyelid?

Valid question.

"the love between a japanese husband and wife" thread-

It was the whole "you cook my dinner and do my laundry, woman" thing.

Thats pretty mush what marriage is for.

Funny? No. True? Yes.

"My Dad and Golden Week" thread (A thread in which Chinpokomon bitches about his retard of a dad.)

Whoop his ass

Funny? Well, yes, but his other stuff isn't so much...

"Pigs will fly" thread

http://members.optusnet.com.au/evilp...s-will-fly.jpg

...if you shoot em out of a cannon.

Thoughts?

I'd have to watch the video to have thoughts about it, and thats just not gonna happen

Says this despite the obvious fact that it's not a video, but a jpg...

Still, I suppose it's kind of funny. I am kind of negating the point I was trying to make here....

Oops. I guess I should have read the whole thread first. He addresses the very issue I brought up:

I didn't click the link and assumed there was a video

Again, it was obvious that this was a jpg...

He seems to have been not so much cunning and clever as a complete moron. I doubt he meant to be a troller. It was probably just his stupidity that got him banned. ("Just like it's your stupidity that will get you banned!" please don't say something that boring.)

Actually, I am having trouble understanding why it is that he was banned. What precisely did he do? And is it the case that his actually offensive posts were deleted? 'Cause I'm not seeing anything at all.

I really think that the only reason I have been garnering your attention of late is that I just got me this nifty new avatar. I have been here for some time and noone had really said much to me or about me prior to the advent of the awesomeness of my avatar - notwithstanding the period of time when I went by the name of 流液天を射し込む怪光なり (a name which I admitted to being lame, but I didn't care at the time because I thought that I would need it only long enough to get a response to my question concerning Japanese.) That actually fits with my theory, though. Whenever I have something flashy and notably awesome going on, people get jeeealous and start to flame me... People waz' jealous of my cool-ass classical japanese name, so they flamed me into a new name so as not to have competition.

Druid

07-17-2006, 07:43 PM

Tis a conspiracy, no?

paideuo

07-17-2006, 09:06 PM

A conspiracy motivated by blindingly intense jealousy - jealousy of my fantastic avatar and, before, of my awesomely awesome handle. This world is a world filled of sad, desperate, and lost souls. It makes me sad now to know that there are people so pathetic and bitter as to treat me poorly upon the realization that my avatar/name kicks their avatar's/name's ass. :gloomy: Woe is me! Here such a coil! Wherefore art ye such stupid bitches? (a tribute to Bob who was mediocre at best.)

Duke Luke of Juke

07-17-2006, 09:08 PM

I was bored so I thought I would make a case against your irrational belief that Bob was funny:
Bob's Greatest Hits (from the month of March) (http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4104&highlight=Bob%27s+Greatest+Hits)
I disagree. But humor is all a matter of perspective anyway, right?

IMO, the lack of Bob, amongst other things, is related to the fact that this place has been pretty boring for nearly two months now. I mean, the new trolls are nice and all, but they don't really make me laugh as much as feel sad for the fact that they need constant attention to make up for the fact that they're not getting any in real life. I'm sure Bob had those same issues, he just hid them behind the laughter...that sweet, sweet laughter.

Druid

07-17-2006, 09:23 PM

Decade

07-17-2006, 09:35 PM

-Quote:
Originally Posted by ZaichikArky
He's in florida, I'm in America

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Because florida isn't part of america?

Originally Posted by ZaichikArky
And thankyou very much, Bobby-darling for your lovely insight into the thoughful words of our dear friend eyez. I applaud you both.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
Die in a fire.

:rofl: Ho-shit. I actually miss that guy. I even got into the greatest hits thread.

paideuo

07-17-2006, 09:45 PM

What in the hell is Neon Genesis?

Okay, I have to admit that some of those were pretty funny. Most notably:

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you also know youre in america when rich white kids think they can pull off the whole "im poor and from the ghetto so i can talk like an idiot and have a major denial as to which race i really am"

As opposed to the rich asian, black and hispanic kids who do the same?

Just kidding, there are no rich hispanics

The best.
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close/delete/ban

go/fuck/yourself

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But do you not have drugs in your possession while using them?

You could find a line of cocaine on a park bench and snort it without ever posessing it

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All the technology we develop is supposed to make us more connected to one another and all it really does is push REAL human contact further and further away.

lolz ur retardeded
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Perhaps the two nuclear weapons dropped on Japan had their own religion too, hmm ?

So, youre saying the bombing of japan was evil?
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neither, Bob, I have experience in none of them. You on the other hand are Jack of all Trades in this situation, I should be asking your advice.

Your mom likes it when I bukkake her, but so does your dog, so im not sure
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Nope. I play hockey and football and am crude and weigh 200 pounds, yet am only 5' tall. I like to eat live bugs and roll in the dirt.

Pix plz .

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Yeah, you should suck less

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