Have I No Soul?

[ManiacLove]

Before you yell at me read the bold sentence. By replying you acknowledge that you read and understand the sentence to the best of your ability. That being said:

Whenever I hear something over and and over and over and over and over again, no matter how tragic, it loses impact and becomes redundant. And therefore annoys me.

It happened with the Snoop Dogg Joke*, with 9/11, and now with hurricane Katrina. First let me say that it is in fact a tragedy, and I can't imagine the pain or loss that those people are feeling. My heart goes out to them, and I am very deeply sorry. BUT THE SAME DAMN LINK TO OXYGEN ON MY FRIENDS PAGE IN EVERY ENTRY WILL NOT MAKE ME DONATE.
I don't even have enough gas to get to work and back, to make the money to get gas so I can get to work and back.

I got burned trying to help other people all my life, so all my last few dollars went to my Chinchilla, thanks. For all I know Mr. Man in LA, you could be a rapist. And also, I'd like to add, I know someone in LA, and do you know what they did when they knew a hurricane was coming? They left. That's it. And you know what? Now they're safe.

People who know danger is coming, and decide to "wait it out" piss me off. Kinda like those dumb rednecks who live in tornado alley, and cry about their trailer getting blown away. Especially people who hole themselves off in their house when a hurricane is coming instead of evacuating.

But these are different circumstances. Some of these people are victims, most them are victims, and I feel for them immensely. I can not imagine the horrible loss and pain these people are going through. But again, people saying the same.damn.things.over.and.over.and.over. makes the value of that story loose impact.

Honestly I'm not even mad. I was when I was arguing with someone about how the value of the story they told me was little because I had heard it so many times.

5 minutes later, I was talking to my mother about Katrina Victims in a different context and it had meaning.

I guess I'm trying to say.. I don't know. Word things differently! or something. I don't know. I'm tired. I really am not evil. I swear. I just needed to vent.

So what do you think... Am I evil?











* Why does Snoop Dogg carry an umbrella?




For the drizzle, my nizzle.

[Anubis Nine]

Not evil, perhaps paying too much attention, but not evil. I get the same way.

[Soli]

Of course you arn't evil!

Honestly, I could really care less about the hurricane. I'm not old enough to send any money, I can't go over there to help, so how is caring going to do anything? We all know this is going to be fixed, and they can do it fine without a few hundred people who don't care.

[CNagy]

Of course you arn't evil!

Honestly, I could really care less about the hurricane. I'm not old enough to send any money, I can't go over there to help, so how is caring going to do anything? We all know this is going to be fixed, and they can do it fine without a few hundred people who don't care.

Actually, the phrase is "I couldn't really care less." Saying you "could care less" means that you do, in fact, care, and that amount of caring could be reduced. In saying you couldn't care less, you would be saying you don't care.

Topic at hand: No, you aren't evil. You just watch too much news. Not everyone is going to see the story at the same time, so they will say the same things over and over and over again.

[Soli]

Actually, the phrase is "I couldn't really care less." Saying you "could care less" means that you do, in fact, care, and that amount of caring could be reduced. In saying you couldn't care less, you would be saying you don't care.

And a 13-year-old can't make some mistakes once in a while? Your going to make me cry. :-(

[CNagy]

Do not feel bad, I've been correcting people three times your age and twice my age. It's not that the phrase is a pet-peeve of mine specifically, it is just a pet-peeve of mine when people say something that they expect to mean one thing, except that it puts their opinion squarely in the opposite camp.

[koku]

I feel dissatatched from the whole stiuation emotionly too. Happened with 9/11 also. It just seemed so far away and it didn't effect anyone I knew at all...so emotionly I felt nothing.

And yeah, I should of, but I can't change it so I'm not going to try and make myself feel bad or worse about it.

some people probably didn't have the $$$ at all to get out though. And some have been told "disasters" are coming other times...and nothing happened. So I'm sure a few people were skeptical.

[Joe]

Evil, no, apathetic, yes. Something you need to remember is that these people brought it on THEMSELVES. Tons of people said "We think you should evacuate, and stay safe, go stay with relatives, or friends, or just go to a motel for a few days."

Some people said "Ok, Mr. weatherman, I will trust your years of working knowledge, and your advice, and skip town for a few.

And others said "no, I'm not leaving, I'm toughing this out." And look where they are now.

To be fair, there are those that were screwed from the get-go. The people who live in the ghetto had no where to go, and no money to go stay somewhere, and now they've lost everything. Those are the people, I think, our sympathy should go to. Not the retarded asshole who refused to leave his house because it's HIS property and no hurricaine is gonna scare him off. And now that fucker is homeless. GOOD, FUCK HIM. You get no sympathy, asshole.

And honestly, seeing news coverage over and over, trying to evoke your sympathy over and over, does eventually eat at your compassion for these people. We KNOW you they are miserable, we KNOW, they have it shitty. And yes, we CAN help by donating, we know this.

So yeah, you're not evil.

[Soli]

Do not feel bad, I've been correcting people three times your age and twice my age. It's not that the phrase is a pet-peeve of mine specifically, it is just a pet-peeve of mine when people say something that they expect to mean one thing, except that it puts their opinion squarely in the opposite camp.

I understand. I get corrected all the time by my younger brother. It peeves him to no end when I use double negitives. Of course, I never do them on purpose... hee hee.

[Soli]

I reeeealy don't like 9/11. It's my birthday, and I hate it at school when they play 'God Bless America' and things like that. It happened almost 4 years ago! :mad:

[hapacheese]

so how is caring going to do anything? We all know this is going to be fixed, and they can do it fine without a few hundred people who don't care.

I would hope that people care because you never know, you might find yourself in a situation like that, depending on the generosity of others =\

My question to ManiacLove, though, is why does it bother you? For example, your friend's like to Oxygen. It's obviously there for people who wish to donate. You have every right to not care or not donate... but wouldn't you at least like people to have the opportunity? You can easily tune all those things out. While not every individual has to care, I would hope that if a major city in the US is nearly destroyed, as a society, we would care as a whole...



And Solitudity, you're young, so 4 years may seem like a long time, but it really isn't that long ago =\ Particularly not for people directly affected by it. My uncle still talks about how he had to run for his life, carrying his daughter in his arms, as the first tower collapsed (he lived 2 blocks away, but luckily had the sense to get to start evacuating before the buildings gave out).

[Zaysho]

ManiacLove, you aren't soul-less or evil or anything like that. I do feel sympathy for the people who are suffering and homeless. I don't feel for, as Joe pointed out, the people who refuse to leave just because it's their property and nothin' can keep them away. Safety first really.

Anyway, whenever there are disasters, my school always asks for donations. Maybe I'm not exactly a good person, but I never really give money. The reason is simply because the buck they ask me for (I don't carry a whole lot on me) isn't gonna make any difference. My parents tell me the same thing and they say there's no reason for me to donate when there are people who can make better donations.

People who die, mourning them or making donations to the families isn't going to bring them back. I feel sorry and I don't like to think of myself in the same position as that person, but what can I or anyone else do? Nothing. Maybe I'm a terrible person, but I truly feel that I won't make a difference for these people. I could try to put myself in a similar position, but I don't think their donations would do anything for me either.

[hapacheese]

A single dollar won't help much, but it may mean a loaf of bread for a family, or maybe a few bottles of clean water.

And if more people simply just donated one dollar, it adds up very quickly.

Not saying you have to, just pointing out that it's a fallacy of logic =\

[MajorProblem]

I agree with your statement, I really stopped caring about 9/11 because it just became a political tool instead of a disaster. I happen to live in the suburbs of Dallas, so I'm seeing the refugees first hand coming to us. My French teacher's daughter has no place to finish her medical studies, my friend's niece is coming to live with her, things like that. That being said...
Kinda like those dumb rednecks who live in tornado alley, and cry about their trailer getting blown away.
I resent that! Tornados actually rarely hit a person's home ever in a lifetime where I live, let alone more than once. I haven't even seen a major tornado, and I live in the middle of tornado alley. Sorry, just had to defend my redneck pride :D .

[Zaysho]

A single dollar won't help much, but it may mean a loaf of bread for a family, or maybe a few bottles of clean water.

And if more people simply just donated one dollar, it adds up very quickly.

Not saying you have to, just pointing out that it's a fallacy of logic =\

You make a good point, but maybe if I wanted to give money, I'd send/give it right to the person... if I could. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't think giving my money to any organization is helping anymore than the next person's. I guess that's how I am.

[Joe]

Zaysho, you're parents are telling you some stinky ass BULLSHIT! So what if someone gives more than you? Donating money is NOT A WHO-CAN-GIVE-THE-MOST PISSING CONTEST.

So the fuck what if only half the kids in your school gave ONE dollar to relief. Assuming you have 2000 occupants, that's ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS. That's enough food for HUNDREDS FOR A DAY.

Now, keep in mind there are DOZENS, of schools in your county, and all of a sudden that THOUSAND, becomes TWELVE THOUSAND OR MORE. One dollar MAKES A DIFFERENCE. It's when people assume it won't, that no one gives, and then NO AID IS RECIEVED.

Don't forget, that those DOZENS of schools, becomes HUNDREDS IN THE ENTIRETY OF AMERICA. And the number of donations can easily reach ONE MILLION. That's FIVE times as much money as the Japanese goverment has given to the red cross.

So don't you DARE say a dollar doesn't make a difference, because It's NOT true.

[Zaysho]

Zaysho, you're parents are telling you some stinky ass BULLSHIT! So what if someone gives more than you? Donating money is NOT A WHO-CAN-GIVE-THE-MOST PISSING CONTEST.

So the fuck what if only half the kids in your school gave ONE dollar to relief. Assuming you have 2000 occupants, that's ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS. That's enough food for HUNDREDS FOR A DAY.

Now, keep in mind there are DOZENS, of schools in your county, and all of a sudden that THOUSAND, becomes TWELVE THOUSAND OR MORE. One dollar MAKES A DIFFERENCE. It's when people assume it won't, that no one gives, and then NO AID IS RECIEVED.

Don't forget, that those DOZENS of schools, becomes HUNDREDS IN THE ENTIRETY OF AMERICA. And the number of donations can easily reach ONE MILLION. That's FIVE times as much money as the Japanese goverment has given to the red cross.

So don't you DARE say a dollar doesn't make a difference, because It's NOT true.

I see what you are saying. Now mind you, me or my parents are notsaying it's some kind of contest for "Who Can Donate the Most Money?", because we know that certainly isn't true. We don't donate because there are people who can do more than we can. I DO donate once in a while, but again, we don't see the need. I see and understand your feelings, but I don't think simply giving money would do anything. If I could truly help them more other than just giving away money, I would like to, trust me.

[ManiacLove]

My question to ManiacLove, though, is why does it bother you? For example, your friend's like to Oxygen. It's obviously there for people who wish to donate. You have every right to not care or not donate... but wouldn't you at least like people to have the opportunity?

Yes. I think if someone wants to donate they should. But this all came about (Link was posted ina LJ Comm) was because someone posted saying that link didn't belong there and they're sick of all this Katrina talk. I said "Agreed. It's a horrible tragedy, but I'm sick of hearing about it. There's a point where if you talk about something too much it becomes annoying. And for me, it's at that point."

Then there's this huge fiasco with tons people calling me a selfish cunt and the like.

And if more people simply just donated one dollar, it adds up very quickly.

Not saying you have to, just pointing out that it's a fallacy of logic =\

Actually, I donate a dollar out of every check to Red Cross :D (If you work for Brinker Int, when you first get hired they give you this little flyer you can fill out and they give you that option. You can pick any amount, but I'm poor, so I only donate $1.)

I resent that! Tornados actually rarely hit a person's home ever in a lifetime where I live, let alone more than once. I haven't even seen a major tornado, and I live in the middle of tornado alley. Sorry, just had to defend my redneck pride :D

I'm sorry, I was generalizing again. =)

[hapacheese]

Zaysho: Why do you feel it won't accomplish anything? There are plenty of places to choose from, and actual, respectable places that you can donate to where your money is sure to be of use (Red Cross, etc).

[Mastiker]

Zaysho: Why do you feel it won't accomplish anything? There are plenty of places to choose from, and actual, respectable places that you can donate to where your money is sure to be of use (Red Cross, etc).

I have to defend the kid (not trying to be insulting its just how I talk), cause it seems like people don't get it.

ZAYSHO DOESN'T WANT TO DONATE.

Okay, so he(she?) doesn't feel like donating. A lot of people don't feel like donating. Perhaps that one dollar that could help feed someone else, helps feed yourself. Sure, they are in a crisis, but it is still YOUR money. YOU can do whatever you please with YOUR money, but forcing someone else to spend THEIR money for a cause they don't want to be a part of is complete ludicrisy. (sp?) Zaysho doesn't want to donate. Cool.

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND:
I think that redundancy of a situation clearly demeans it. This works with everything. Ever have that one kid in class kill a joke, just by repeating it? 9/11 was definitely a tradgedy. And yes, four years isn't that long ago. Hell, fifty years, when black kids were getting beaten and arrested, just for sitting in a different section of a diner, isn't that long ago. But still, it happened, and we made a huge deal of it. That was no problem. It was the American flag on EVERYTHING that made 9/11 more redundant than the macarena. But just because I'm sick and tired of hearing about it, doesn't mean I care any less.

[hapacheese]

I have to defend the kid (not trying to be insulting its just how I talk), cause it seems like people don't get it.

ZAYSHO DOESN'T WANT TO DONATE.

Okay, so he(she?) doesn't feel like donating. A lot of people don't feel like donating. Perhaps that one dollar that could help feed someone else, helps feed yourself. Sure, they are in a crisis, but it is still YOUR money. YOU can do whatever you please with YOUR money, but forcing someone else to spend THEIR money for a cause they don't want to be a part of is complete ludicrisy. (sp?) Zaysho doesn't want to donate. Cool.

If you read my previous posts, I said that people have the right not to donate. I was simply asking him about his line of reasoning.

Some people don't have the capacity to donate financially, some people don't believe in donating, whatever their reason, it's their right. I was simply asking him why he said those things, when there are obviously alternatives.



Edit: And ManiacLove, it's your choice. Ignore people who will curse at you or whatever simply because you feel that way. Nothing they say will change your mind, and nothing you say will make them see you any differently. Just shrug your shoulders and move on.

[h2orowe]

Heh, Katrina is annoying. But if I hear one more politician bring up 9/11 for the idiots in our country, so he can get their votes, I swear I'll hunt them down and shoot them.

"So, Bill, how's your plan for taxes again?"
"Well, Mr. SoandSo, you see, that day of tragedy on 9/11, blah blah 9/11 blah"
*applause*
*camera cuts to crying woman*

[Mastiker]

If you read my previous posts, I said that people have the right not to donate. I was simply asking him about his line of reasoning.

Some people don't have the capacity to donate financially, some people don't believe in donating, whatever their reason, it's their right. I was simply asking him why he said those things, when there are obviously alternatives.


Oh, yes. I had read your previous posts. I understand what you're trying to communicate. I was just saying that everyone has their own reason. Respectable places or not, it is hard to have trust in an organization that you know little about. I don't like giving change to homeless people, because I'm not sure what they will get from it. I have no idea who they are. If you have never seen an organization in action, it is hard to get rid of your money for them. Yes, Red Cross does help people. But I still need money. Where's my Red Cross? (welfare) Right. Thank you food stamps!

BACK TO TOPIC:
(To maniaclove) Yeah. If people can't deal with what you're saying calling you names isn't going to change your opinion. In fact, very little should change your opinion, other than some clever wit. (also, next time someone calls you a cunt, hunt them down and rip their eyes out with rusty spoons)

[Mushu]

I really don’t get you people here, why do some of you always need a reasoning, sometimes because is enough goddamnit! No one has to explain their action or behavior on these kinds of subjects, just leave it there and start with the personal attacks, yes I consider questioning ones ways of thinking a personal attack.

[Jay]

You're have a soul, ManiacLove.

Now me. I have no soul.

As far as I'm concerned, New Orleans can... well, I'll spare everyone the images. Why does it deserve to be repeated over and over and over and over and over again HERE IN AUSTRALIA ON THE FUCKING FRONT PAGE when we've had worse wind storms that have made just as much damage and they don't get as much coverage?

You know, when we have major disaster PEOPLE PITCH IN AND HELP. We don't go looting and shit. Shame on you, people from New Orleans.

[Mushu]

wanna hug jay?

[Jay]

From you?

Sure.

[Mushu]

*hugs jay while grappin his ass*

[Mushu]

* excussy *

[Jay]

...Riiight.

*backs away slowly*

[Loc]

Yeah, I think with all of the disasters and such in the news, people are growing to be less shocked/bothered about anything bad that happens.

If I read that someone was murdered right now in my city, I'd probably think about it for a few minutes then completely forget it, it's become the norm.

The New Orleans disaster doesn't affect me very much as I've never been, it's slightly disappointing though as I've always wanted to go there...
I think I care more that such a lovely place has been destroyed than the actual people who's lives have been destroyed. Sad but true.

Jay, watch your back, they're everywhere >_>;

[Random]

Mm.
I realise intellectually that it's a tragedy etc, but emotionally I think it doesn't really get through.

It's bad (I've seen a good deal of live webcam feed from the area), but it doesn't really affect me much at all.

I've noticed that news rarely has much positive content. As a general rule,
watching or reading news is depressing, and it's about depressing events that
wouldn't concern or affect you if it wern't for the news in the first place.
Did that make sense? I'm hungry so can't type right.

Finally, is it affect or effect, or are they different words?

[Joe]

Mushu, questioning someones line of reasoning, ala their reasons for doing things, isn't a personal attack, it's called CRITICAL THINKING. It's what they teach in school, and accepting things at face value leads to scientology and religion. Those things are bad. Why do you feel it's a personal attack?

Amen, Jay, shame on the looters. It's not like they can leave new orleans with that stufff when everyone exit is being watched.

Don't grab his ass! His ass belongs to ME!

[Zaysho]

Mushu, questioning someones line of reasoning, ala their reasons for doing things, isn't a personal attack, it's called CRITICAL THINKING. It's what they teach in school, and accepting things at face value leads to scientology and religion. Those things are bad. Why do you feel it's a personal attack?


I think telling me my family's and my beliefs and what I think is "bullshit" can be considered an attack (or maybe not, I guess you are stating your opinion). Besides, you're telling me I have an obligation to give my money away to people I don't know. And if you read my last post in here, I said I would like to help, and I don't think money is the way to do it. Maybe sending canned food and other goods would make more sense, but just giving out money isn't gonna do anything. It's not like these people can access a market at the moment.

To each his own though; it's not like I'm saying people shouldn't donate money, I just don't think that's only way to help.

[Varia]

About the donating issue:

In the scheme of things, one person, you, do not matter. In the donating game, one person is useless. But! In the donating game, we don't think of things on a person by person basis! This is where things change. Joe explained it pretty well. Donations do not focus on the individual, they focus on the masses. This is what people fail to see. It is in my opinion the result of the changes america has gone through and the new ideas of the people. You are #1. As a whole, we could donate and make a huge difference. We could save Louisianna. You know what, we're not even talking about Louisianna. This is donating in general. The example that Joe gave is what would happen if people wouldn't think on an individual basis.

Somebody made a comment about reasoning. Yeah, the kid has a reason. So what? Since when are all reasons valid? Lots of people had reasons for lots of different things. A lot of them were idiotic, retarded, stupid, absurd, and a long list of other things. Here is an over-exaggerated situation to prove my point.

Ted, my boss yelled at me again today?

Yeah? Man, your boss must be a real asshole. You should do something about him.

I did. I put part of him in some trashcans and dumpsters around town, and the other part is in my freezer. I haven't decided what to do with that, yet.

As we can see, his reason for killing his boss and cutting him up are not very good. On a lesser scale, we have people not donating because they say that their dollar will not make a difference. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you can see the flawed logic here, and that you realize your dollar does count.

About LA: I have no idea if it's true or not, but I heard that most of the looting, killing, raping, chaos in general, is being committed by lower class citizens, who would be doing things like this anyways. Now that Katrina has come and gone, it just makes it a lot easier for them. Although I have never been to LA, from what I have heard, it doesn't sound like a very stable, law abiding place. I prefer not to get too involved in large issues such as this because I can only draw assumptions and hear biased reports of most likely wrong information.

Zaysho: You are not donating money to the victims directly. You are donating money to the Red Cross, which uses the donation money to buy food, water, supplies and other things, which they then distribute to said people. Also, about the "There are other people who can do more than me" thing; Yes, you are right about that. But who are those people? Are you talking about movie stars, musicians, golf pros, rich people in general? If that is the case, they are probably the least likely to donate. When those kinds of people do donate, or try to help, they often do it in horrible ways that don't help the situation. Have you heard about Cameron Diaz's show where she goes around the world feeling sorry for poor people? Things like that. Do you know how much good these people could do if they didn't feel the need for that new, gucci bag or that snazzy looking Porsche? Do you think they would give those things up in order to donate to the Red Cross? My guess is "No".
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[General_Admission]

Whenever I hear something over and and over and over and over and over again, no matter how tragic, it loses impact and becomes redundant. And therefore annoys me.

normal.

However, if you can watch this (http://www.ogrish.com/beheading_videos.html) stuff w/o flinching then there is something wrong with you.

note: that is the beheadings section of ogrish.com :D

Extremely nasty beheadings and what not. Human rights = no.

[koku]

* excussy *


for the record, that train scene will continue to make me laugh and die forever, and that's saying along coming from me.

I just saw that movie again a couple days ago(i watch 99% of my movies 1 time).