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MFDub

07-08-2006, 04:42 AM

WARNING: If you haven't seen this movie, the following will make no sense. None. Heck, even if you saw the movie, it might not make sense.

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SO blatantly nothing more than a setup for the third film, but still more than worth the price of admission. I liked this movie a lot, even though there wasn't as many buckles being swashed as the first. I enjoyed the first more, but this was still a worthy sequel, IMO.

Only part I was kinda "eh" towards was the Jack/Elizabeth romance thing, although that was probably just a set up so that Will and Elizabeth have a huge fight in the third.

The timing of many of the jokes was spot on, my personal favorite being the looks on the faces of Jack's crew when he told them he didn't want to go back for his hat. As soon as he said that, they knew some shit was going down.

Liked the three-way fight, enjoyed Elizabeth kicking ass and especially liked how I knew Barbossa was going to appear as soon as that witch said "...a captain who knows those waters."

Two thumbs up and a clapping smiley for this: :clap:

Radiance

07-08-2006, 03:39 PM

The second one only pissed me off because lets face it, they never inteded it to be a trilogy but after the success of the first one holywood was seeing dollar signs.

So the first movie was a stand alone and fantastic, I loved it. The second one takes one story line and cuts it in half so they can make two movies out of it. Kinda pissed me off, but that was one of the best endings I could have hoped for.

As far as the jokes go, I a little disappointed because one of the jokes I saw in a trailer didn't get as many laughs as it should have because it followed to closely behind one punchline. I can't for the life of me remember what the first joke was because I was sad about the second joke... but basically no one heard part of the second joke because they were laughing too hard to hear it.

If you know, the joke before "You shouldn't be dressed like that, women only look good in a dress or nothing... it just so happens I have nothing in my cabin." Also, lol at hat shopping while in a bar fight and finding your hat after the kraken spits it back at you.

Radiance

07-08-2006, 03:40 PM

Also, unichie, snip snip.

smokingmonkee

07-08-2006, 04:22 PM

I liked the race up the cliff face in the giant hamsterball cages.

Kaji

07-10-2006, 03:15 AM

Roxie

07-10-2006, 04:17 AM

MFDub

07-10-2006, 04:25 AM

Went to see it with my family yesterday.

As my mom observed, this marks the first movie we've ever seen where the theater was dead silent after the movie ended. No comments about whether it was good or bad, no quoting lines from the film, no talking about favorite moments. There just seemed to be a stunned silence as people quickly shuffled out of the theater.

Personally, while I realize this is supposed to be the second installment of a trilogy, it felt more like a separate film altogether, that just happened to sport some somewhat familiar faces. Jack lost his spine. Norrington left you wondering why the heck they brought him back for half the film. Elizabeth compromises everything she professes to stand for (within the very film, no less). The only ones who seemed to really be the natural continuations of their counterparts in the previous film were Will and the governor.

Not to say that the film isn't without its good points. The sequence with the cannibals was interesting, and the one part of the film that really seemed to carry the humor that made the original film what it was, and proving the monkey was undead before using him as payment, or the explanation of why the dirt would work both elicited chuckles. That said, there was a lot that was done that was taken too far (you can only show so many shots of Will and Norrington being spun so many times before it becomes overused), and other parts that felt downright pointless (e.g. when the two former-undead pirates went ahead and recapped why everyone was fighting, when anyone who wasn't just waking up at this moment was already well aware to begin with). In the end, what killed it for me was the utter turnabout of Elizabeth's character, who had always been resolute and full of integrity, into little more than a deceitful wench.

I agree with all of your points (minus the Jack losing his spine - see Kraken). The thing is, I disagree with you that these changes in character made the movie bad. I actually think it made the movie better. Take Elizabeth; like you said, she started out full of honor and purpose. However, it was those exact same traits that led to her change and to her revealing the darker side of her character. The thing is, the movie didn't just ignore this change. From Jack calling her a 'pirate' to Elizabeth's obvious discomfort with her actions, the film fully acknowledges that this isn't quite the same person from the first film. The ideals that she held so dear forced her to go against them.

Jack is not a coward. He looks out for his own skin, no matter the consequences. That was pretty much how he was throughout this whole film. However, every man, not matter how brave, has one thing that scares the bejeezus out of him. In this case, that was Davey Jones, and understandably so. Jack wouldn't have just died, he would have been stuck in servitude for at least 100 years. For a free spirit like Jack (note: last name "Sparrow"), this was a fate worse than death.

Will hasn't changed. But one (rarely touched on) theme in this film is how the world was changing. Everyone else is someone growing, but Will remains static. It's obvious that this is going to lead to a major falling out between Will and...well...everbody else. ESPECIALLY Elizabeth. The character who has changed the most with the character who has changed the least? Obviously, that's going to cause some friction.

Finally, in response to the joke where the pirates give a rundown of the plot; the reason that was funny was BECAUSE of how unwarranted it was. It was a very short, accurate summary of the whole plot in the middle of a major fight scene and only occured because the other pirate asked "What's going on?" Instead of the usual "they're fighting," his buddy got a little more specific. :watson:

In my theater, everybody was talking as soon as it was over. In fact, there was a standing ovation and many screams of "THIS WAS AWESOME!" Anyway, that's just my two cents.

Kaji

07-10-2006, 04:32 AM

Finally, in response to the joke where the pirates give a rundown of the plot; the reason that was funny was BECAUSE of how unwarranted it was. It was a very short, accurate summary of the whole plot in the middle of a major fight scene and only occured because the other pirate asked "What's going on?" Instead of the usual "they're fighting," his buddy got a little more specific.

True, but when you're already starting to get bored of it, getting a recap of why you're bored, followed by the fight continuing for as long as it has already run after that doesn't make matters any better. The first 3-4 times they showed the wheel running off it was like "Ooooh, neat cinematography!" By the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth time it came around, however, it became "Are we done yet?"

Trump

07-10-2006, 01:42 PM

There was a very short clip after the credits that brought a laugh or two as well.

Firefly

07-11-2006, 01:49 AM

I liked it. Wasn't as good as the first, but good for a sequel.

My only beef is that the rum jokes got old. It was funny in the first one, and it seemed like they couldn't think of anything to top it...kinda got annoying :duh:

SDSUMarcus01

07-11-2006, 02:08 AM

I didn't like it, it wasn't that original. It felt like watching a bad rehash or the first. Overall it felt like they had invested their best ideas in the first movie and in this one they were just trying to pick up the most popular pieces and "out do them."

And to anybody who's played the monkey island series... you'll know why I don't really consider it that original.

Spoilers (heightlight to read my opinion):

It was like... wow, so people loved Jack Sparrow. Lets cram more Jack Sparrow in then is neccessary! People loved the CGI pirates from the first movie? Lets just cram in even more CGI!!! People loved the fight at the blacksmith in the first? Lets try to out do that with three people fighting on a spinning wheel.

And then we've already done undead cursed pirates... so lets do undead fish pirates. And once again we have to run for our lives! Instead of having a gold piece with a necklace we have a key with a necklace.

Oh yah... and lets not really introduce any new characters except for badguys since we've already gotten rid of the badguys in the first movie. We'll just reuse the most popular characters from the first... and have them do the EXACT same shit, irrespective of whether they actually help the story. The only new character that seem interesting was the other pirate who died in the beginning because he found a snake on the cliff.

Kracken? With huge tentacles and people flying all about? Well... 20,000 leagues under the sea yes... but I do vaguely remember seeing a movie (maybe not with tentacles) where people get picked up and flung around as well.

The cannibal scene felt just like King Kong... and really reminded me of Monkey Island.

Voodoo lady? Monkey Island. Especially with her hut in the swamp... that's Monkey Island 2. So is the floating around in a coffin. And using a skeleton arm like that? Monkey Island 3.

Sad undead pirate with a broken heart, a key, and creepy organ music? Monkey Island.

Well we need an excuse to bring Elizabeth back into the movie so we'll make her a pirate and make yet another annoying love triangle that we thought was resolved.

Well the commodore let them go in the first movie... and we want to bring him back anyway... so we'll bring him back as a pirate and we'll put another pompus british asshole as his replacement.

We'll also throw in some very unfunny jokes that make reference to funny jokes in the first one. I.E. Elizabeth's father breaking the lamp in the jail.

We need to put in some more stuff from the ride that we haven't already shown... hmm... oh I know! The intro to the ride is like the deep south so we'll just throw that in too since we really don't have much left to use.

Then we'll make the movie two and a half hours long of pure action and jack sparrow and no real story AND a cliff hanger! YES! It's a winner... and sadly, it is.

MFDub

07-11-2006, 02:13 AM

SDSUMarcus01

07-11-2006, 02:17 AM

SDSUMarcus, while I understand why you're disappointed (although the things that disappointed you made me love the film) that list of things lifted from Monkey Island isn't really fair. ALL of that stuff comes from the pirate genre as a whole. Every last bit. Creepy woman in the swamp, undersea monsters...if you watch the old pirate movies, they have those same things. So, basically, while you could condemn them, don't say its copying straight from something else. All of those things are aspects of the genre.

Like the blue chick in a sci-fi movie. Or the stupid kids in a horror film.

I realize that quite a bit of MI lore comes from the old school pirate genre... but to the degree that I mentioned? Right down to the undead pirate with a broken heart and creepy organ music with a key?

I'm also expecting the 3rd movie to be pulling stuff from the pirates in Swiss Family Robinson since Chow Yun Fat is in it.

And I think this quote sums up my feelings on the movie the best:

"Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest is the worst kind of sequel -- the kind that exists only to give you more-more-more of what you liked the first time around, without ever justifying its own existence." - Rene Rodriguez, MIAMI HERALD

TygressVirgo

07-11-2006, 03:01 AM

I for one loved it. Then again, maybe I'm easily pleased. I loved it because it really took the old things, and made it new for me. If you think about everything is a borrowed plot line from something else. It's the whole package that can make or break it. The only thing I didn't like was all the rum jokes. Tho they weren't that bad.

As to using all the old characters with a new set type of villains, was fine by me. Usually with most stories or novels that I've fallen in love with, I'm left wondering what happened next. I like the feeling of knowing that the characters are expanding.

I liked the turn in Elizabeth's character, I like to see that she's human just like me. I think with Will, we will see the change with him in the third one. I liked the tension between Jack and Elizabeth, it happens in real life, why not here. I liked how Jack went out fighting.

Like someone suggested, Priates as a whole is to represent the entire genere(sp) of priate lore. Yes its going to be cliché, but it works.

-Just my two cents
Tygress.

Roxie

07-11-2006, 03:37 AM

I thinik Elizabeth's turn about wasn't so much about Sparrow himself, but more of what he represents. Just like he said, ultimate freedom.

TygressVirgo

07-11-2006, 03:40 AM

I agree Roxie. The said the same thing about all pirates in the THC special.

Roxie

07-11-2006, 03:53 AM

Yeah....cause as HOT as Johnny is, Bloom has way less milage...plus a hot british accent.

She's, just y'know, a little Pi-curious.

Stephy

07-11-2006, 03:54 AM

My post contains spoilers. Do not read unless you have seen the movie or just don’t care about spoilers.

WARNING:
The timing of many of the jokes was spot on

Liked the three-way fight especially liked how I knew Barbossa was going to appear
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The first one is my favorite movie of all time, so after finding out second one was coming out I just had to watch it.

Yes! The jokes were cute, witty, and just another reason why I love Pirates of the Caribbean. My favorite was when Elizabeth was boarding the ship, Jack said, “Hide the rum.” In reference to her, (according to Jack) horrible method of using the rum to fuel a fire in hopes of leaving the Island they were deserted on. (Sorry Lin ;p I loved that part.) Also the eunuch part when referring to Turner.

For some odd reason I had such a strong feeling Barbossa was going to make his way back into the movie somehow. Especially after the two pirates of Barbossa’s ship, appeared alive and well. Also the three-way fight was entertaining and funny, but I was hoping for Jack to show off more skill (though the movie was so Jack this and Jack that! But I am a strong Jack fan so I was satisfied. Others probably disliked that part of the movie though.) :P He did use his cunning way of manipulating others and had Turner and Norrington fight against each other. Also, must comment that I did not at all expect Norrington’s character to be so… different. Elizabeth was a little on the disappointment side to me in here, however, she did kick major butt and help reveal more depth to Jacks character, unfortunately that was done with adding mixed communications and making a messy love triangle that was highly unnecessary but made to cause issue in the third movie. She was a bit devious.

Jack in this movie seemed much more… deceiving and selfish and we saw a more self-centered side of Jack. I was sad, but then again he is a bloody pirate. It was Interesting to see Bootstrap Bill and the many stereotypes of pirate books/movies/shows brought into this one action packed and plot cluttering movie.

For an odd reason, I was quite disappointed that the Black Pearl had to be destroyed. Yes, it is only a ship… but it was like the main point of the first movie. Ouch… bye bye Black Pearl.

There was a very short clip after the credits that brought a laugh or two as well.
Darn it! I told my sister that sometimes after the credits there is sometimes a little feature. She insisted there would not be one, as everyone was leaving. I said, “Fine… :(”and left with her. I knew we should have stayed! >_<

TygressVirgo

07-11-2006, 04:17 AM

Shy, those are my favorite jokes too.

Black fist

07-11-2006, 05:30 AM

I saw the movie on sunday and loved except for the fact that it was about 2 hours, the movie theather was cold as fuck, I had short on, 2 kids to babysit while there, And drinking a large sprite and not getting up lead to a pissed Meeche

Firefly

07-11-2006, 06:06 AM

Darn it! I told my sister that sometimes after the credits there is sometimes a little feature. She insisted there would not be one, as everyone was leaving. I said, “Fine… :(”and left with her. I knew we should have stayed! >_<

Don't worry steph, it wasn't anything relating directly to the plot, just a small scene, no major characters or anything. You can probably find it on youtube later. :frypan:

Trump

07-11-2006, 12:04 PM

Marcus, you must hate almost every movie you've ever seen because you the things you didn't like about this one apply to almost every movie. And seriously, since when is more of what you like a BAD thing? Since when does entertainment have to have some other reason to justify itself? Just sit back and be entertained for god's sake.

I enjoyed it, it was a fun movie. The jokes were integrated very well into the story so it didn't stop the movie for the jokes. I laughed and had a good time. What more can you ask for?

TommyA

07-11-2006, 12:43 PM

Saw the midnight showing, said goodbye to friends afterwards, flew to Japan 9 hours later.

Loved the movie. I saw nothing wrong with it, IN MY EYES.

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-11-2006, 04:28 PM

I like the one part "I've got a jar of diiiirrrtt! I've got a jar of dirrrttt!"

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-11-2006, 04:38 PM

Why is there such a huge discussion about this? I thank God Star Wars was over so we wouldn't have discussions like this again.

Apperently I was wrong.

To me this was a film you can sit down and enjoy with some laughs and action. That's it. If you look to hard and try to compare it to the first film then you obviously are looking too hard at this film.

You can't compare it to the first one because this one is a film all on its own. You are breifly reminded of characters of the first film, but they all grew and changed. This completely different from the first and thats what makes it such a great film.

Trump

07-11-2006, 09:03 PM

And why exactly do you let someone else (on a forum no less) piss you off when you see a movie? He isn't even there!

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-11-2006, 09:40 PM

And why exactly do you let someone else (on a forum no less) piss you off when you see a movie? He isn't even there!

Expression.

Don't take it too seriously or to heart.

crow-kun

07-11-2006, 11:34 PM

It was GREAT. I loved it

Askaninja didn't like it.

Ninjas of the Carribean (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBly9_mci90)

rottentomatoes.com did not like it (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pirates_of_the_caribbean_dead_mans_chest/)

Ninja was right about the plot lines. They were handing them out like Oprah w/the pontiacs.
The ninja was right about a good part of it. The only thing I didn't agree with was the "taking a step backward from Chucky Cheese animatronics"

Saitou Hajime

07-12-2006, 12:23 AM

Favorite Jokes:

"Why is the rum always gone?"

"Hide the rum!"

Loved the island/fire/bye bye rum part in the first movie, so of course I'll love those references. XD

I thought the movie took itself a bit more seriously this time. Sure, both films were action/adventure/comedy films, but this one seemed to focus more on the "adventure" aspect, whereas the first focused on the "comedy". I liked it, but not as much as the first.

Well, it looks like we're all setup for a huge threeway (naval?) battle in the third film (Will/Elizabeth/Sparrow's Men and possibly Sparrow VS Jones VS Norrington and the British Navy) over the heart. An injured Cracken wiping out numerous British ships would be fun to see.

Roxie

07-12-2006, 03:46 AM

I didn't like it, it wasn't that original.

So, what exactly where you expecting?

Mysticalmelody

07-12-2006, 04:29 AM

I loved it! I liked when jack said something like "elizabeth on board? ... hide the rum!" then he let her have some later grudgingly. I too loved the "I've got a jar of diiiirt I've got a jar of diiiirt!" part. And when Elizabeth was yelling at the guys fighting then decided to try and faint to get their attention it was sooo funny that it didn't work. I liked the tie ins to the last movie a lot :)

Hitokage

07-12-2006, 06:42 AM

*THIS POST HAS SPOILERS!*

I personally really enjoyed the movie. I can barely remember the first movie at all, so this just seemed like a new movie with familiar faces in it.

I *LOVED* Jack's like 'omfg I am the sex with a sword' face right before he dives into the Kraken's mouth.

I loved the undead fish pirates. Each one was neat and unique. When the one seperated from the bottom of the ship and his head popped in half, I ended up giggling for a minute straight because the first thing that came into my head was, "Hey look, brain coral!"

Did anyone else NOT understand the point of the dice-game? I mean not why it happened, but how it was played?? Can someone explain it to me??

Dresh

07-12-2006, 07:34 AM

When the one seperated from the bottom of the ship and his head popped in half, I ended up giggling for a minute straight because the first thing that came into my head was, "Hey look, brain coral!"

That's exactly what I was thinking. XD

Did anyone else NOT understand the point of the dice-game? I mean not why it happened, but how it was played?? Can someone explain it to me??

I think they were supposed to guess how many of the dice landed on a particular number. Then they all check under their cups and adjust their answer based on their results.

Example: I say "two 5's." Then I check under my cup, see that I have three 5's and adjust my estimation.

Hitokage

07-13-2006, 07:09 AM

But... they seemed to be kinda LYING for some of it?? *confusion more*

Dresh

07-13-2006, 07:11 AM

But... they seemed to be kinda LYING for some of it?? *confusion more*

Bootstraps was lying, he wanted to guarantee that he would lose so Will wouldn't have to go through with his bet.

Beer Pope

07-13-2006, 10:27 AM

But... they seemed to be kinda LYING for some of it?? *confusion more*

It's a betting game, duh. You don't tell your opponent what your hand is in poker, do you?

Roxie

07-13-2006, 10:38 AM

I am so in love.

I have seen this movie twice *and* I bought the soundtrack.....I also plan to see it again.

Trump

07-13-2006, 11:52 AM

Expression.

Don't take it too seriously or to heart.

My bad. I should have realized it was like every post you've made for the past 2 months, totally meaningless and only posted to make yourself feel special.

Anyway, back on topic. This is one movie I would see again if I actually knew people who hadn't seen it yet!

Kuroshi

07-13-2006, 03:38 PM

The dice game is kinda like the card game BS, or Dollar Bill Poker. You have keep raising your bets while attempting to tell the truth (or lie and get away with it) and figure out when the other person is lying.

re: the end of the movie after the credits: I missed that part, what happened?

Hitokage

07-13-2006, 03:46 PM

SPOILER!

After the credits, you saw the natives chanting in a circle again. It focused on the dog who was sitting on the throne Jack had been in, with a huge bone in his mouth.

Kyoushu

07-13-2006, 09:57 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed the midnight showing of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. I found it just about as good as the first, and I'm really anxious to see the third.

I've been listening to the promotional CD with the techno remixes for days upon days. Is that bad?

crow-kun

07-14-2006, 06:31 AM

Now that I think about it Jack Sparrow is the worst pirate ever!!! I don't even know why the people that are in his crew are there; maybe they’re all morons. They don't do anything and apparently that aren't making any profit. Ultimately pirating is a business. If I were on that ship I would have killed Sparrow as soon as I realized he wasn't making me money and then I would have brought some order to the ship. Barbossa had the right idea when he mutinied Jack, he wasn’t doing what was best for the crew. My only probably was that he or him (director) didn’t kill him off. DAMN YOU!!! Edward scissor hands and your crappy Keith Richards impersonation!!! The only thing pirate about Jack Sparrow is his outfit. They should have just named the movie “Group of People who are anything but Pirates of the Caribbean”, doesn’t sound as catchy though, hell I’m sure people would have seen it anyway because Johnny Deep is in it. But then again leave it to Hollywood and Disney to make an accurate movie about pirates. Maybe I shouldn’t be too annoyed about it it was a nice detraction from my other problems.

Beer Pope

07-14-2006, 10:06 AM

In all seriousness, I think they should have just made a Monkey Island movie instead.

C'thulhu beard will never be as cool as flaming beard.

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-14-2006, 02:44 PM

My bad. I should have realized it was like every post you've made for the past 2 months, totally meaningless and only posted to make yourself feel special.

Anyway, back on topic. This is one movie I would see again if I actually knew people who hadn't seen it yet!

Whoa calm down it wasn't meant as a jab against anyone and I said something I didn't mean. I meant to say "Nerds".

Let's keep out cool here please.

Druid

07-14-2006, 08:59 PM

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a358/NicholasAbraham/Organazation007-2-1.jpg

mrhumphrey

07-14-2006, 09:21 PM

LoL Dude. U R well FUnnah.

Pengy737

07-16-2006, 11:20 PM

Also the three-way fight was entertaining and funny, but I was hoping for Jack to show off more skill (though the movie was so Jack this and Jack that! But I am a strong Jack fan so I was satisfied. Others probably disliked that part of the movie though.) :P He did use his cunning way of manipulating others and had Turner and Norrington fight against each other.

I just tought I'd mention;

Will is the best swordsman, Norrington and Barbossa are tied, and Jack is the actually the worst. It was said by the screenplay writers (in the commentary for the first film, I believe), so it's pretty much official. And it makes sense, since Will was practicing three hours a day.

Obviously, he had to manipulate Norrington and Turner, or else he most likely would have been seriously injured in the process of fighting two better swordsman. Though he does always have his way of pulling through, which is probably why he didn't get the shit beaten out of him in the first film while swordfighting. (Well, okay, it was probably because he was the main character, and minor character details don't get in the way of PRETTY PRETTY action scenes.)

Beowulf

07-17-2006, 12:58 AM

I hated it. I view it as 2.5 hours of my life that I will never get back. This thing ripped off so much that I don't even know where to start.
1. Davy Jones: wtf. He's never explained as a character. We don't get to know who the girl was or why she was so important to him. They try to play it off with his exchange with Depp but he instead just does whatever the hell he wants. He has no depth. He and his entire crew look to be exactly what they are, bad H.P. Lovecraft ripoffs.
2. The magic rowboat: Remember the magic schoolbus? That rowboat they were always riding around apparently works something like that. So that despite the fact that they're almost always somewhere completely different (the supposedly unknown cannibal island, Davy Jones "secret" island) they just wish upon a star and the magic rowboat will instantly transport them to the Voodoo Ladies swamp.
3. Voodoo Ladies Swamp: Where the hell was it that they could always just row there?! I mean wtf, is it in some sort of bag of holding they have or what?
4. The Kraken: The way it was done was a complete ripoff of Lord of The Rings' Watcher In The Water. Also, if it was after the black spot on Jack's hand then how (or why) was it able to track down his hat?
5. Jack's Crew: Why do these people even bother hanging around this guy? They know that he's perfectly willing to sell them out at a moments notice, steal from them, and use them as fodder to protect himself. So why keep sailing with him!?
6. All Those Stupid Stunts: The wheel, the bone hamster ball, the list goes on. They start out fine then they keep going, and going, and going... They drag out for way to long.
7. Elizabeth: This made absolutely no sense. All of a sudden she's falling in love with Jack when (just one movie ago) she absolutely hated him? It wasn't the "darker" side of her character, she was simply an entirely different character from the first film.

Overall this movie is what I believe to be wrong with a lot of movies in hollywood today. Over produced, mass manufactured, depthless films. Character developement is non-existant, plot points are extraordinarily convienent, with scripts that might as well be sold in bulk at Costco.

Roxie

07-17-2006, 01:33 AM

1. Davy Jones: wtf. He's never explained as a character. We don't get to know who the girl was or why she was so important to him. They try to play it off with his exchange with Depp but he instead just does whatever the hell he wants. He has no depth. He and his entire crew look to be exactly what they are, bad H.P. Lovecraft ripoffs.
You do know this is a TRIlogy, right? What do you mean he's never explained? Tia Dalma explains his story when they first go to her shack.
2. The magic rowboat: Remember the magic schoolbus? That rowboat they were always riding around apparently works something like that. So that despite the fact that they're almost always somewhere completely different (the supposedly unknown cannibal island, Davy Jones "secret" island) they just wish upon a star and the magic rowboat will instantly transport them to the Voodoo Ladies swamp.
Actually, if you pay attention in the begining of the movie, you can see rowboats on the deck.

4. The Kraken: The way it was done was a complete ripoff of Lord of The Rings' Watcher In The Water. Also, if it was after the black spot on Jack's hand then how (or why) was it able to track down his hat?
The idea of the Kraken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken)is hundreds of years older than LOTR. Perhaps that's where Tolkien got the idea? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken_in_popular_culture)

5. Jack's Crew: Why do these people even bother hanging around this guy? They know that he's perfectly willing to sell them out at a moments notice, steal from them, and use them as fodder to protect himself. So why keep sailing with him!?
It seems that way, but Jack always has a plan. None that actually happens through Jack's own maliciouness.

7. Elizabeth: This made absolutely no sense. All of a sudden she's falling in love with Jack when (just one movie ago) she absolutely hated him? It wasn't the "darker" side of her character, she was simply an entirely different character from the first film.
She never hated Jack. What movie where you watching?
It makes absolutely sense. She couldn't marry Norrington in the first film b/c she couldn't be that person. She definently enjoys a great freedom she tasted in the first film alongside Jack & Will.

Like Jack said, it's the idea of this freedom that makes her want him

07-17-2006, 03:12 PM

Sock Full of Boiled Dimes

07-17-2006, 03:34 PM

Overall this movie is what I believe to be wrong with a lot of movies in hollywood today. Over produced, mass manufactured, depthless films. Character developement is non-existant, plot points are extraordinarily convienent, with scripts that might as well be sold in bulk at Costco.

So you hate the movie for stupid and pointless reasons? Some of which make no sense at all.

07-17-2006, 03:50 PM

What is stupid and pointless about having bad character development and writing?

Beer Pope

07-19-2006, 06:07 AM

MEH, this is exactly the same thing that happened to Back to the Future.

First film was very good and well written(i like BTTF more but they were both good).
Hollywood people get big dollar bills in their eyes (like in cartoons).
They produce two more films at the same time with worse writing than the first and also fail to capture the spark of the first move.

I honestly think they were like, "Back to the Future did it so we can too! Yey, lets go sail on our new yachts!"

Back to the Future had a "to be continued" at the end, and a clear cliffhanger, so we at least know it was meant to have sequels. Pirates was made into a trilogy only when producers realized that it didn't suck.

Duke Luke of Juke

07-19-2006, 06:44 AM

I guess I'm one of the few who liked it more than the first. In my opinion the original Pirates film was alright, reasonably enjoyable, nothing outrageously good, but still fun enough to sit through a few times. The new one, however, I felt was worth watching for the scenery alone. The islands, the swamp-witch scenes, everything really, was just amazingly easy on the eyes. I think the fact that they actually shot this one in the Caribbean made the difference to me.

Someone mentioned Johnny Depp. And you're right, a lot of us would watch it simply for Johnny Depp. The honest truth is that Johnny Depp is one of the few mainstream actors (if you want to call him that) that still takes off-beat roles. The Libertine, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Benny and Joon, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, even Edward Scissorhands, which you mentioned--throughout his career he's done the sort of movies that Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt just don't do. Occasionally, perhaps. I guess, if you want to press it, you could call Vanilla Sky and Legends of the Fall off-beat, but honestly. On top of that, when I watch Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt, I see essentially the same character--a good-looking, cocky guy. Johnny Depp plays diverse characters, and I like the fact that I don't know much if anything about his private life. All of that contributes to why I would watch a movie just because Johnny Depp's in it, and I haven't been disappointed yet.

Also, the plot points. Honestly, you thought you were going to get original plotlines and satisfactory character development from a Disney movie? Seriously? Come on now. It was enjoyable enough without them.

Trump

07-19-2006, 11:42 AM

Don't forget Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in that list.

smokingmonkee

07-19-2006, 03:10 PM

I don't know, Seven and 12 Monkeys were pretty off beat. Not to mention Fight Club. All awesome movies though. Johnny Depp is awesome but it wasn't his best work.

Duke Luke of Juke

07-19-2006, 05:37 PM

Don't forget Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in that list.
Bastard. (jk :P)

It was a mirage, I tell you, a mirage!

I don't know, Seven and 12 Monkeys were pretty off beat. Not to mention Fight Club. All awesome movies though. Johnny Depp is awesome but it wasn't his best work.

Alright, fine, I admit it. Brad Pitt does some off-beat movies. And he was damn good in Fight Club and particularly Snatch.

najebanye

07-19-2006, 06:47 PM

What the hell is wrong with you people alot of the new movies sucked THE OMEN Crappy it was lame that girl killed it.

ellie

07-19-2006, 08:51 PM

I really liked Pirates of the Caribbean! I went and saw it with my mom Sunday night, at the new movie theater in my town. Okay, so my town has 2000 people in it (that's freakishly small!) and we just got our first movie theater (we used to have to drive 20 minutes to the next town to the big theater). This new movie theater only has one screen and has enough room for 40 people, but it was completely packed. The movie was great, and I laughed sooo much when Jack goes, "Why is the rum always gone?" and then stands up and starts walking and then says, "Oh. . .that's why." That cracked me up.

I thought the movie was very well done. It had action, adventure, comedy and romance. It was appealing to a wide interest group, and kept me entertained throughout. I thought it was just a fun movie. You didn't have to think about things too much, you just got to sit there and enjoy the ride. That's my favorite type of movie.

Trump

07-19-2006, 09:07 PM

20 minutes doesn't get me out of town, wow.

Beowulf

07-20-2006, 01:27 AM

You do know this is a TRIlogy, right? What do you mean he's never explained? Tia Dalma explains his story when they first go to her shack.
Actually, no she doesn't. She makes vague allusions that he might have a story. Also they keep saying that whoever controls the heart of Davy Jones controls the sea. Um, how? That's never really explained. Also Davy makes numerous references such as, "I AM THE SEA!!omg!" Again, how?

Actually, if you pay attention in the begining of the movie, you can see rowboats on the deck.
Actually if you paid attention I was complaining how the rowboat could magically transport them anywhere they needed to go. One minute their all on the secret island, board the magic rowboat, and the next scene their a hundred miles away. Did they row the whole way?

The idea of the Kraken is hundreds of years older than LOTR.
Duh. I was saying how it's presentation was exactly like the watcher outside of Moria in the first LOTR movie.

It seems that way, but Jack always has a plan. None that actually happens through Jack's own maliciouness.
Jack's plans always involve screwing people who aren't Jack and they never work.

So you hate the movie for stupid and pointless reasons? Some of which make no sense at all.
I await your explanation as to how my reasons were stupid and pointless.

Trump

07-20-2006, 11:47 AM

kilreli

07-20-2006, 01:27 PM

i actually didnt like the first one so much. the second was more entertaining in my opinion. i was pissed though, cause i didnt think there would be a third one, so now i gotta wait another year or so. so many things to be answered.

Beowulf

07-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Umm... maybe you missed half the movie, but if you control Davie Jones you control the Kraken, which means you control the sea. Or was I forced to make a tiny leap of logic there?
How does this explain Davy making his repeated statements that he is the sea? And also if the Kraken got the crap whooped out of it by one ship actually making an effort to fight it, then shouldn't 3-4 ships be able to destroy it outright? Also, why did they hoist all the explosives in the air? Why not toss them overboard onto the things head, then blowing it up? Which leads me to another point, they tried to create suspense with the whole, "shoot the huge mass of barrels 50 ft in front of you thing" which I thought was retarded the whole way through. How the hell could you miss a shot like that? If you had your eyes closed and shot in the general direction you still probably would have hit it.

David B.

07-20-2006, 01:50 PM

Saw this movie a couple weeks ago...

Honestly, what is people's beef with movies nowadays (sorry marcus, but the thread title clearly warns of spoilers so you don't have to code up your wordings 'k? I'ma quote you now). Pirates 1 was a success at the Box-office so the distribution company asked to reunite the cast and crew for the next two films - they made this decision obviously with the notion that the company would make more revenue if they pursued the idea. In a nutshell, POTC2 exists to make the company more money...and I could care less about that. It doesn't stop the film from being great.

It's really sad when certain people let the various principles of production in the movies industry (principles that have lasted for decades) keep them from enjoying a movie - 'because they feel they are above such media marketing influences' or feel that making movies as a means to make money is not properly dignified or something so they don't want to be part of that. Not saying thats any of you - I've just been hearing a lot of bullshit like that over this and every sequel that is made these days. Get over yourselves and enjoy a good film.

I knew they were planning to make two more films before I saw the first teaser for the second movie so I was well prepared for a cliff hanger or at least an ending that leaves a continueation wide open. With that said, I was kind of surprised how disapointed so many people were when they found out that P2 was only half the movie - it was weird, I thought people knew by now but I guess not. These days 'cliff hangers' are just a lot more frowned upon than they old days - I mean, when you know a movie is comming out a year in advance I guess so...but anyway,

It was like... wow, so people loved Jack Sparrow. Lets cram more Jack Sparrow in then is neccessary!
Nice you can tell us what was running through the developers minds when they wrote the script. No, thats not why Jack's story is explored more in this film. Will turner and Elizabeth Swan was the main focus of the first film - you learn everything there is to possibly know about them and their relationship honestly. You can't tell much more about them - it comes complete with a resolution by the end of the first film. If you were expecting a movie more about them then you have a much larger chance of absolutely breaking/ruining the first film than if the story was about Jack. Jack's history is still largely a complete mystery after the first film is done. There's so much about sparrow that has just been untouched upon in the first film that it makes sense that it can actually be explored now.

People loved the CGI pirates from the first movie? Lets just cram in even more CGI!!!
Hmmmm....okay, Speilberg. What would you rather have them do? STOP MOTION?!? Stop motion clay pirates would be great to stare at for 2 hours and thirty minutes. Honestly though, you seem to be beefing on every element of the film and putting a bad spin on it just...because. One of the major reasons people have come to see this movie was because of the fantasy element - fantasy as in seeing things that wouldn't possible happen in reality.. Less of the fantasy element = less of the appeal. CGI = the fantasy element. The CGI in this movie exists to help tell the story - it was much better done than the last one - the film makers wanted to really exceed their own expectations in storytelling here. They werent out to shove it in our faces for no reason - it was there to help illustrate the scenes and atmosphere. Whats wrong with that? If they were really out to give us 'more' of what we already saw then we'd just see another army of undead pirates but they chose to be a little more original than that and explore another classic element of the swash-buckling genre.

People loved the fight at the blacksmith in the first? Lets try to out do that with three people fighting on a spinning wheel.

More entertaining swashbuckling classic swordfights that made the first film great = bad how? I don't think you wanted to enjoy this film to begin with.

And then we've already done undead cursed pirates... so lets do undead fish pirates. And once again we have to run for our lives! Instead of having a gold piece with a necklace we have a key with a necklace.
The fish aren't undead in the sense the first one was. The first film's pirates were Zombies - their greed had consumed them so they came back to treasure site to put back the pieces and restore their humanity. The fish pirates, They sold their souls to work for Davey Jones - this is a completely different concept and premise. The ONLY thing they shared was that they couldn't die. That's about it. As for the running for their lives - gee you have a point there. That IS used in the first movie. It's also used in The Matrix, Mission Impossible, Lord of the Rings, Robin Hood, Beauty and the Beast, The last samurai, James Bond, and just about 80% of all films that have a fatal antagonistic character so...Why do you bring THIS point up.

The fact that there are two gold pieces on a necklace doesn't automatically make all plot devices, elements, principles, and designs of the of the second movie a complete parrallel to the first movie. I'm sorry, but I understand that people are entitled to their opinions but these 'reasons' do not justify any of your claims at all whatsoever and they're actually VERY inaccurate and unstructured.

Oh yah... and lets not really introduce any new characters except for badguys since we've already gotten rid of the badguys in the first movie.
Bootstrap Bill wasn't a character at all - he was completely useless. He was only the entire plot to Will Turner's storyline. He was only half the reason Will was even in this movie - lets forget him as a valid character. He was only Will's father - he contributes nothing but 30 - 40 minutes of screen time.

We'll just reuse the most popular characters from the first... and have them do the EXACT same shit, irrespective of whether they actually help the story.
Because Jack being captured by a group of voodoo savages who want to make him their king and later sacrifice to the heavens via consumption TOTALLY happens in the first film!

Kracken? With huge tentacles and people flying all about? Well... 20,000 leagues under the sea yes... but I do vaguely remember seeing a movie (maybe not with tentacles) where people get picked up and flung around as well.
Yeah, I also remember seeing a cartoon show...and a book...and a couple DVD - hell, anything that is in the Swashbucking genre has the Kracken - or the 'giant octopus' show up at least once in the show. You can just as easily say the Kracken idea was a rip of the pirate themed "Fairly odd parents" episode that broadcasted before POTC2 showed up in theatres. Nice points.

The cannibal scene felt just like King Kong...
What?.....Yeah well....what? How? King Kong is a giant gorrilla that climbs onto the top of a skyscrapper with a maden whome he is trying to protect and eventually gets shot down trying to save his love. The Kracken is just hungry, and while the human's pack a good fight, eventually he eats jack. You think the movie is bad because of one vague similarity to another movie. REWRITE that scene for me please and make it TOTALLY unreminiscent to ANYTHING and maybe I'll take you seriously.

Sad undead pirate with a broken heart, a key, and creepy organ music?
Sad? No - he's really quite jolly. Broken heart? No, he just hid it somewhere - works perfectly fine. A Key, well thats Peter Pan isn't it? Oh wait thats yet another pirate like genre. Just about every pirate movie is made out of the same material really - undead pirates, giant squids, lost treasure. They're all cliches (and thats the point of POTC I think - is to retell these cliches in stunning detail and realism. It's like the Batman Begins of the pirate genre. nobody actually adds to it - it's just better though. I don't think you can improve on it. As for creepy organ music, I can come up with about 9 other badass villain like people who do that.

Well we need an excuse to bring Elizabeth back into the movie so we'll make her a pirate and make yet another annoying love triangle that we thought was resolved.
Well if it's annoying to you then thats your opinion. I can't say anything about that - you're entitled to it.

Well the commodore let them go in the first movie... and we want to bring him back anyway... so we'll bring him back as a pirate and we'll put another pompus british asshole as his replacement.

Did you drink in the plot to this movie at all, or whenever you saw these characters you thought "Oy! Pompus british asshole lawl" and never truly took in why these characters were there and how they significantly add to the plot? Hmmmm......

We need to put in some more stuff from the ride that we haven't already shown... hmm... oh I know! The intro to the ride is like the deep south so we'll just throw that in too since we really don't have much left to use.
I don't know about you but...since this movie IS based off the Disney Land ride, you'd think putting stuff from the ride in this movie would make....I dunno....logic? I know, it's unimportant right? Sorry, I shouldn't have opened my mouth.

Then we'll make the movie two and a half hours long of pure action and jack sparrow and no real story AND a cliff hanger! YES! It's a winner... and sadly, it is.
I don't think you know what the story is - or at least it flew right past you while you refused to pay attention (thats what it looks like).

Wow, lots of writing, but it had to be done. No one's going to read all this but I really had to blow some steam today and...I'm glad I did. 'Feel much better now. Sorry for the rant (please don't ban me). And for the record (because I KNOW someone's going to show up and accuse me of this) I AM NOT out to try and tell someone that their opinion is wrong. This guy brought up some inaccurate points about the movie and I corrected them so...yeah.

07-20-2006, 01:55 PM

Why are you trying to make the plot of a movie that was so clearly not about the plot make sense? We aren't talking Casablanca here people...

To me this was a straight up action/adventure "lets throw in a plot later!" type of movie. It's like watching resident evil and complaining about the plot when you know full well no one went to see that movie for the plot.

Beowulf

07-20-2006, 02:09 PM

What would you rather have them do? STOP MOTION?!?
No, I personally would like real actors with real facial expressions and real characters.

If they were really out to give us 'more' of what we already saw then we'd just see another army of undead pirates but they chose to be a little more original than that and explore another classic element of the swash-buckling genre.
For the last time they stole almost all the fishmen from H.P. Lovecraft (http://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/). There's nothing in swash-buckling lore that mentions Davy Jones being a bad Cthulhu rip-off:
http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/x/v/M/nighypirates1.jpghttp://spinningspyder.typepad.com/schlocko/images/cthulhu_1.gif

Bootstrap Bill wasn't a character at all - he was completely useless. He was only the entire plot to Will Turner's storyline. He was only half the reason Will was even in this movie - lets forget him as a valid character. He was only Will's father - he contributes nothing but 30 - 40 minutes of screen time.
Bootstrap was not a major character and let's please not delude ourselves into thinking he was. Bootstrap, just as in the first film, existed solely as a plot device. The only reason he was in the film was to lose that confounded dice game.

That stupid dice game. Is it just me or was that dice game never actually explained? Will asks and the explanation is, "Well you have dice, you cover them, then you bluff the other players into thinking that you actually know the rules, then someone wins somehow."

07-20-2006, 02:23 PM

The "bluff game" was liar's poker with dice.

The Rules:
1) You may only look at your own dice.
2) The starting player takes at turn guessing the total number of a certain die face there are among all the dice. (ie: four 6's)
3) The following player must either guess higher (number of dice counts first, then the number on the die: five 2's is higher than four 6's) OR that player must call the other player a liar
4) Once someone is called a liar play stops and the loser is whoever is wrong (either there are that amount of dice at that number or there are not, either way one person is incorrect)

It's a pretty easy and fast game.

David B.

07-20-2006, 02:31 PM

Bootstrap was not a major character
A main character is someone who could otherwise be cut out of the film easily. That can't be said about Bootstrap - too much character development between him and his son.

e only reason he was in the film was to lose that confounded dice game.
Yes, because he never helped Will steal the key from Davey jones and Will CERTAINLY never took a complete half hour voyage to try and free his father from Davey's control. I'm sorry for the sarcasm but this is essentially what you're saying here. By all means his existance alone contritutes a 'plot' and not just a 'plot device' sorry. There was a lot of character development between the two characters and the scene where Bill whips his son was powerful and significant to the movie.

For the last time they stole almost all the fishmen from H.P. Lovecraft. There's nothing in swash-buckling lore that mentions Davy Jones being a bad Cthulhu rip-off:
Oh! OH! I love picture discussions! This is why I wake up in the morning! Now let me tell you why you're wrong!

http://www.zhippo.com/hopetattooHOSTED/images/gallery/davey%20jones%20closeup!2.jpg
Davey jones initial design has existed in legend for lord knows how many years - if only being describe in folktale and legend like stories. He has since then been the subject of a lot of pop-culture. This picture is actually a tatood version of him (found him off of my good friend google) but if you know any of the stories and legends that depict our ocean happy subject then you'd already know he had those octopus like tentacle thingies already. He's mostly used as an euphomism though. With all this said, no, Davey Jones' design was not invented when that movie was made. - it has lasted forever - likely before that book or whatever was made. Remember, history of the spanish main is your buddy.

Roxie

07-20-2006, 02:54 PM

Actually, no she doesn't. She makes vague allusions that he might have a story. Also they keep saying that whoever controls the heart of Davy Jones controls the sea. Um, how? That's never really explained. Also Davy makes numerous references such as, "I AM THE SEA!!omg!" Again, how?
After seeing this movie 3 times, they actually do call Davy "the devil of the sea". fan specutaltions are that he can move through things connected to or on the sea (as long as he knows where they are of course). She doesn't make allusion at all. She tells you his story. I mean, how can you miss that? What did you want? His childhood background? His educational career? A resume? You know as much as you need to know to enjoy the film.

Actually if you paid attention I was complaining how the rowboat could magically transport them anywhere they needed to go. One minute their all on the secret island, board the magic rowboat, and the next scene their a hundred miles away. Did they row the whole way?How can you possibly know how far away they are? Do you have a map that shows all the fictional miles between the fictional places they're visiting in this fictional tale? And further, WHY DOES THIS MATTER?! WHO CARES?!
Do you want to see the scenes where they plot out their ever nautical move, lower the boat, get into the boat, row the boat in...I mean seriously, come on! That is really not important to the story nor your enjoyment of it.

Duh. I was saying how it's presentation was exactly like the watcher outside of Moria in the first LOTR movie. Well if Tolkien got the inspiration for it from the Kraken, what are you expecting? Why should or would it be disimilar?

Jack's plans always involve screwing people who aren't Jack and they never work.
Actually, they always work...just not in the way he envisioned. Jack is the one working on a boat full of ppl who screwed him over in a mutiny. The only ones he's actually, honest tried to screw over is the navy and Will (cause wants Liz).

Beowulf

07-20-2006, 03:02 PM

With all this said, no, Davey Jones' design was not invented when that movie was made. - it has lasted forever - likely before that book or whatever was made.
Suddenly the problem becomes clear.

How can you possibly know how far away they are? Do you have a map that shows all the fictional miles between the fictional places they're visiting in this fictional tale? And further, WHY DOES THIS MATTER?! WHO CARES?!
Do you want to see the scenes where they plot out their ever nautical move, lower the boat, get into the boat, row the boat in...I mean seriously, come on! That is really not important to the story nor your enjoyment of it.
That's just it, there is no explanation as to where anything is because Disney found that physical things like "distance" held back their hastily slapped out plot. The movie doesn't have to be meticulous, just believable.

But whatever, I'm done with this thread. I've outlined the obvious problems with the film, not to mention the ones I've forgotten. In my opinion the film was crap shovelled out to cash in on masses who would see it solely for the fact that Johnny Depp phones in a performance.

Roxie

07-20-2006, 03:10 PM

That's just it, there is no explanation as to where anything is because Disney found that physical things like "distance" held back their hastily slapped out plot. The movie doesn't have to be meticulous, just believable.

wait...so you expect a story about pirates in the caribbean involving Davy Jones and The Fly Dutchmen to be believable?? Seriously? You expect the follow up to a movie that included undead pirates to have that much believability? Are you pulling my leg?

I would call expecting to know the distance between fictional places very, very meticulous in this type of film...so very meticulous to the point of filmakers saying, "let's not include this because it really doesn't matter to the story"...

David B.

07-20-2006, 04:33 PM

Suddenly the problem becomes clear.
....um...okay. That's nice. I don't really know exactly what you mean by that but okay. Apparently you say you've outlined why you hate this movie so, forgive me, I'm just going to have a peek at this outline and give comments...y 'know....so I can understand where you're comming from.

I hated it. I view it as 2.5 hours of my life that I will never get back.
Maybe it wasn't your kind of movie, sorry. A lot of other people like it though - but just because you don't doesn't make it bad necessarily. I don't like The Matrix (I hate the matrix) but it isn't a bad movie.

1. Davy Jones: wtf. He's never explained as a character. We don't get to know who the girl was or why she was so important to him.
And here we go - as all common sense is destroyed and the youth of America no longer finds an interest in logic. Now, come one now. SURELY a thought has rolled past you that maybe, JUST MAYBE Davey Jone's character was not explained *gasp* on perpose! That's part of the dynamics of two part movies - The movie is orchestrated in a way where you know just enough about Davey Jones (if you were paying attention - which I'm starting to doubt) to move the story along while each scene and scenario indirectly hints more about his past history. As the character developes you begin to understand the mystery well enough to be ready to recieve the answer. Of course, the answer does not present itself until it is explain in full in third film. This set up is kind of obvious to understand, it worries me that you can't figure that one out - unless you're going "GIMME GIMME GIMME LAWL I wanna know! u kno tel me? o yu a bad moovI cuz you no tell me nowz I gots to waytz!"

He and his entire crew look to be exactly what they are, bad H.P. Lovecraft ripoffs.
I'm pretty sure none of the crew even know what Lovecraft is - just face it. I mean, the pic you gave us earlier is pretty cliched anyway (tentacle creature. Wow, I've never heard or seen anything like that before). There are hundreds of fantasies just like H.B. Lovecraft's work (I looked the author up in google just for you). Psychological experience tells me that your fandom over Lovecraft could be one of the reasons you don't like POTC2. The fantasy elements are similar but....I dunno - maybe you don't like POTC because it's in movie form, I dunno. I don't like "Narnia" but that might be because I'm a Potter fan. Narnia - the movie still feels too cookie-cutter for my tastes regardless.

2. The magic rowboat: Remember the magic schoolbus? That rowboat they were always riding around apparently works something like that. So that despite the fact that they're almost always somewhere completely different
And this ruined the entire movie for you? A lack of realistic logic? Yeah, um, this boat flies by the way.........yeah........

4. The Kraken: The way it was done was a complete ripoff of Lord of The Rings' Watcher In The Water.
They both ripped it from the same source material - in fact, everything that uses a giant squid is ripped from the same 'none movie' folk tale like source material (JR Token or whatever the hell his name is - he's just as guilty). When they wrote this movie, they read these stories about a giant squid and all the Davey Jones stuff and just copy/paste/readapted them into a movie. I'm willing to bet that the giant squid story adaption is closer to the Davey Jones locker story than the Watcher in the Water thing - that would make POTC more accurate than LOTR wouldn't it? I think that makes sense...

5. Jack's Crew: Why do these people even bother hanging around this guy? They know that he's perfectly willing to sell them out at a moments notice, steal from them, and use them as fodder to protect himself. So why keep sailing with him!?
Well, here's what's wrong with that statement. The first time Jack tried to steal from his crew guess what happened?....Yeah. He was marooned on an island. As for his crew now, Jack hires a crockpot crew who have nothing to live for - who don't have anything to begin with other than the fabric on their backs. What is he going to steal?

7. Elizabeth: This made absolutely no sense. All of a sudden she's falling in love with Jack
I'm sorry, what? Did that happen? Hmmm....Hey Y 'know what? It didn't! This is another reason why I don't think you enjoyed this movie - you're not properly following or comprehending whats happening on screen if you think this is what happened (and if I didn't know whats going on, I wouldn't care too much for the movie either). Elizabeth needed to get to Jack and get him to tell her what he needed to know - gain his trust and really get through to him. Thats how she managed to keep him on the Black Pearl and save her skin when the Kraken (Is that how you spell that? I have no idea) came after Jack and swollowed him hole. Jack is what it wanted. If he came with the rest of them then they'd all die.

(just one movie ago) she absolutely hated him?
You'd have to understand why she did what she did....but I don't think you do if I'm being brutally honest here. I think the whole thing just traveled way over your head.

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Over produced, mass manufactured, depthless films.
You can't properly define any of those words can you. I don't understand them so I'll try to figure it out. It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously - What is "mass manufactured" and how the hell does this make a film bad. I've heard these "terms" before - It's 'fake industry' speak from people who will detest anything thats popular/mainstream in attempts to not look like another poser - they're worse than the actual posers IMO - These people put in so much energy to not look like poser's it gets rediculous - it's just as bad that they miss out on a lot of good stuff that happened to be mainstream). Not saying that's you but come one - these are words that mean absolutely nothing.

I work with film (animation actually, but I still work closely with film) - film isn't "manufactured" - it's shot and developed. I think you mean 'mass distributed'. They mass distribute films when they know a film is going to be popular. I hope you are not under the completely illogical misconseption that mass marketing movies make an otherwise normal movie bad somehow. If you weren't then it wouldn't have been necessary to list that as a bad point. I do hope this is not from 'fear of watching the mainstream movie'. "Over produced" doesn't mean anything either unless its another way of saying 'mass distributed'.

In otherwords you said this film is just another popular, popular, bad film. You touched on the word "popular" twice - leading me to believe you really don't like this movie because its popular. Listen, I don't know about you, but I can't give a rats ass how popular or unpopular a movie is personally - I like what I like. I'll listen to Brittany Spears if she makes a good song (she has made one good song once. All the other ones aren't 'bad' they're just not my type of music). I don't know you or who you are but you're comming off as what I like to call a "reverse poser" - which is a poser nonetheless.

Character developement is non-existant
No, it was there. You just missed it.

with scripts that might as well be sold in bulk at Costco
Once again, the lovecraft fandom, eh? Surely this movie is not better than lovecraft because this movie is a cheap imitation packaged by squirrels just to make a buck (and I proudly base this off of absolutly nothing). I'd like to read your screenplays man. I mean, you seem to know exactly what makes a good movie - with your knowledge you can sell some of your screenplays and make a fortune. I mean, how hard is it to make a box-office cultural phenominon? Not for you it isn't hard! Get up, get out there and restore proper order to the industry that you know so much about...what? Wait a minute...I can't find your name on IMDB. Huh? You've never sold your screenplay to anybody? Do you even have experience making screenplay?

You're gonna chew me alive for making fun of you like that but this is really how you come off to me :bored: .

Trump

07-20-2006, 04:41 PM

Beowulf, I highly recommend you never watch another movie or read another work of fiction again as I'm sure the fictional aspects of them will drive you crazy and arouse your hate.

And I'm not being sarcastic. Advice: be prepared to sit back and just enjoy the movie without overanalyzing it or don't watch it.

David, if someone looked at you and said the blue sky was neon pink, you would probably argue with them. It doesn't matter how many scientific (or otherwise) counterpoints you make, if the person really wants to believe the sky is neon pink, you will never change their mind.

Overall, these longwinded, point for point posts just really piss me off because they just clutter up a thread with negative value.

David B.

07-20-2006, 05:02 PM

David, if someone looked at you and said the blue sky was neon pink, you would probably argue with them. It doesn't matter how many scientific (or otherwise) counterpoints you make, if the person really wants to believe the sky is neon pink, you will never change their mind.
I know. I'm just glad pointing and laughing has and always will be in style for this thread's. I know I'm pissing people off though so I'll leave now (I only show up like once a year anyway. Y know...like leprechauns. *cough*)

Overkongen

07-20-2006, 08:06 PM

I saw the movie. At first, I liked the Kraken because it kinda made a ship explode like really fast.

Next time it strikes, it moves much slower. That kinda annoys me.

Then, next time, it has again become much much slower. My friend rolls his eyes. My girlfriend looks at her watch.

Right after that, it shows up again. Sloooowly. I make a mental note to start praising the good old movies where movies were about people acting, og CGI moving, as opposed to this all-new trend of having CGI that doesn't move. My girlfriend checks her watch again.

After that, the Kraken shows up again, and it seems Jack is gonna have a swing at it. Finally, I'm getting eager again, thinking "Jack can remove this horrible horrible stain from the movie". Turns out he couldn't. Technically, I should be happy about this, because the Kraken buggers off fairly soon after that, but I'm scared, like, really really scared, that the Kraken is gonna appear very very slowly in the third movie.

07-20-2006, 08:15 PM

Things become much more slow and dramatic when the main characters are involved, duh. That's like movie making cliche 101.

"I know this bomb is supposed to go off in 30 seconds, but lets strech those 30 seconds into 5 minutes in the movie; everyone will love it!"

Trump

07-20-2006, 10:21 PM

I'm sure the voodoo lady had a leprechaun in a cage somewhere...

Roxie

07-22-2006, 03:05 AM

I saw it again.

That makes 4 times.:innocent:

Roxie

07-22-2006, 03:23 AM

Also, I got these..

Kuroshi

07-22-2006, 07:06 AM

The Fly Dutchmen

The Dutchmen be pimpin? The Dutchmen be fly?

Roxie

07-23-2006, 01:12 AM

It do what it do, pimpin. It do what it do!

Beer Pope

07-24-2006, 10:01 AM

*snip*

This is what many comic book fans call plot armor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_shields). It's the basis of Batman vs. so-'n'-so discussions.

Incidentally, the only character Batman cannot defeat is Wolverine, but that's another topic altogether.

Lateli

07-24-2006, 10:33 AM

I finally saw this movie on Saturday with my sister and mother, I enjoyed it. My mother was confused by the end because she couldn't remember the first movie well :P

Also, is the voodoo lady the woman that Davy desired? They had the same locket. Or was that explained and I just missed it somewhere? :P

I liked all the WTF?! scenes, such as the giant wheel rolling by causing the WTF?! look to appear... TWICE! :rofl: Poor Will Turner though, he must be dizzy after all the spinning he did!

I was surprised at the gore too. The opening scenes with the bird plucking out that guy's eye was just nasty.

Quick sidenote... I'm Guybrush Threepwood! MIGHTY PIRATE!

Beer Pope

07-24-2006, 10:48 AM

Quick sidenote... I'm Guybrush Threepwood! MIGHTY PIRATE!

How appropriate, you fight like a cow.

seiji

07-24-2006, 12:57 PM

I saw the movie. At first, I liked the Kraken because it kinda made a ship explode like really fast.

Next time it strikes, it moves much slower. That kinda annoys me.

Then, next time, it has again become much much slower. My friend rolls his eyes. My girlfriend looks at her watch.

Right after that, it shows up again. Sloooowly.
Well, they did manage to injure it more severely each time it attacked. I thought maybe it was learning caution. Plus, as Beer Pope pointed out, the Disney label and middle-trilogy-syndrome combine to make super character shields, and it did kill off a couple minor ships and all but a handful of Jack's crew.
Also, is the voodoo lady the woman that Davy desired? They had the same locket.
I noticed that too... :watson:

Beer Pope

07-24-2006, 04:11 PM

and it did kill off a couple minor ships and all but a handful of Jack's crew.

Ensign Ricky, we'll miss you.

hidethedrone

07-24-2006, 05:31 PM

Also, I got these..

Where .. did you get that...?

hidethedrone

07-24-2006, 05:33 PM

The Dutchmen be pimpin? The Dutchmen be fly?

Depend on what da crew be wearin.

MFDub

07-24-2006, 06:39 PM

Depend on what da crew be wearin.

Da crew be wearin' da cursed bling bling, bra, knowwhaddamean?

hidethedrone

07-24-2006, 06:42 PM

Da crew be wearin' da cursed bling bling, bra, knowwhaddamean?

Eyfee ya, nawmean? Yeee.

Lea

07-25-2006, 02:18 AM

It was alright in my opinion... I was rather confused since I don't remember the first one very well though. Speaking of the first one, I didn't really think that was good enough for a sequeal. (Or necessary) I mean it was good... but not that great. Oh well.

Roxie

07-25-2006, 02:33 AM

Where .. did you get that...?
it's a family heirloom

Roxie

07-25-2006, 05:31 AM

In the fictional realm of Pirates of the Caribbean, Captain Jack's real name was Jack Smith and he was born in India on October 25. Captain Jack Sparrow commands the legendary and accursed ship named the Black Pearl. Thanks to the official Disney website and the game based on the film series, one can find that Jack Sparrow was at one point employed by the East India Trading Company. He helmed the Wicked Wench, an EITC merchant vessel, performing odd jobs for Lord Cutler Beckett. However, after refusing to transport slaves, Beckett sanctioned the torching (and sinking) of the Wicked Wench, and branded Jack Sparrow a pirate. Jack came to embrace his outlaw status and became a very successful pirate, with no desire to return to life under the command of others. Later, Jack petitioned Davy Jones to retrieve his ship that he rechristened as "The Black Pearl." From the number of his exploits and limited knowledge of his pre-pirate existence, one can assume that for the majority of his adult life, Jack devoted himself to pirating and spent relatively little time operating legitimately.

Disney Press began a book series for young readers in June 2006, chronicling Sparrow's adventures as a teenager. Written by Rob Kidd, the first three books follow Sparrow and a young, motley crew in a continuing search for the legendary Sword of Cortés. Along the way, they must battle pirates, ancient curses, sirens and the power of the sea.[3]

CrazyAce86

07-29-2006, 09:48 AM

I finally got to see it. It was, as Robert would say, teh r0xx0rz. The only problem was I went with my aunt, who hid her eyes half the time because she can't handle PG-13 gore, it seems. She's like, "OMG, there's little kids in here watching this!"

I'm like, "Ya know, you're the one that let me watch Chucky movies when I was three. And c'mon, have you seen Cartoon Network lately? This ain't nothin'."

Plus during the movie she kept asking me what was going on because she didn't remember the first movie at all. :rolleyes:

But all in all, I liked it. I'm Jack/Elizabeth shipper (sue me), so I all but did a happy dance in the theater when she kissed him. (So jealous of Keira Knightley. She gets to kiss Orly AND Johnny! Grr. :P)

I really did like this movie. It was darker than the first, and I like that. The first was like a one-shot adventure with some romance thrown in. This one, and presumably the upcoming third one as well, was darker, more serious, and dealt with some more issues. The romance for example-- in the first, it was simple puppy-love and WAFF with a few angsty touches so it was *too* sweet. It was basically a fairytale kind of romance. This time around, it was more like real-life and less fairytale. She loves Will, but on some level loves Jack as well.

*cough*

Sorry, fanfiction writer here.

I could go on, but most of what I want to say has been said already. I would like to say that I like this Norrington. He's a complete bastard, but I like him in that it shows it doesn't matter if you're high-born and well-educated or low-born and illiterate, you are who you are. And I'll admit that I liked the fact he had been knocked down a few notches.

I just wonder why he resigned. At the end of the first movie, he was willing to go on chasing Jack. An unknown amount of time later, he resigns and seems to have disappeared, and then several months later shows up in Tortuga to be a part of Jack's crew. It just makes me wonder how much he fell apart and why.

I also liked Davy Jones. I don't know about anyone else, but when he was playing his organ, I was reminded of Eric in The Phantom of the Opera. And I didn't know Bill Nighy's voice, so I was expecting his voice to be slow and spooky. It wasn't it, and I think it kind of threw me for a moment, but I then decided I liked it because it made him seem more real and not just a random supernatural being.

All in all, I liked it. And, obviously, there's folks on here that don't. Fine, you don't like. Don't rag on me because I do, okay? I like it, you don't, end of story. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong.

six-eight-ten

07-30-2006, 07:25 AM

Norrington.
I just wonder why he resigned. At the end of the first movie, he was willing to go on chasing Jack. An unknown amount of time later, he resigns and seems to have disappeared, and then several months later shows up in Tortuga to be a part of Jack's crew. It just makes me wonder how much he fell apart and why.

Did you miss the part where they said he'd followed the Black Pearl through a hurricane in which his ships were destroyed and he lost most of his crew?

CrazyAce86

07-30-2006, 10:27 AM

Ah, I see. I must've. My aunt kept asking me questions during the movie, so I missed some of the dialogue. I did catch something about a hurricane, but I didn't know what he was talking about.

Even so, wouldn't the navy have furnished him with another ship? Or perhaps because he willingly sailed into a hurricane he was given the choice of discharge or resignation?

I do feel kind of sorry for him, but I think come the third movie he's definitely going to be one to watch, even moreso than Davy Jones or Cutler. He's the only one that will be completely human and fighting for everything. 'Course, that could just be me.

Another thought. How does Elizabeth rank as a swordsman? If Will taught her, and he's supposedly the best, then would she be better than Jack or on par with him?

six-eight-ten

07-30-2006, 02:35 PM

Hmmm, let's see, you sailed your fleet into a hurricane, lost your ships and most of the (all?) sailors... Tell you what, we're going to give you another fleet and send you right back out there.

No, I don't think that was going to happen. It was probably a resign or get discharged sort of thing. Heck, his sense of honor/duty/whatever would probably have forced the resignation anyway.

As for Elizabeth's skill with a sword. Will's been training her. For how long? Months? A year? Based on her performance, she had a certain amount of natural affinity for it, which would help. How intense were the training sessions? All things that we'll never have the answers for and don't really need, I think. After all, it's just a movie. I think Inigo Montoya could take all of them. Left handed.