I hate the term "Wapanese" or the prhase "Act black." Or anything related.

[koku]

First off, who's to say a certain race should act a certain way? That to me is complete garbage. How you act on the outside, what you like and dislike, etc. doesn't mean you are trying to be a certian race; It just means you like that hobby, that language, that area, WHATEVER. I had a friend who became god-awfully annoying to talk to because he coudln't grasp this idea.

This is how I feel about so many critisms people use. "Act Black." "Act white."


Excuse me? Because I don't feel like listning to rap anymore, sagging my pants, and everything else you've assumed...... all of a sudden I'm not acting black? Who's to say that's only a black trait in the first place?



Race has nothing to do with it; it's how you were raised and what you were around. What I described above is not acting "black" it's acting "ghetto." There's a difference when you take that and label it exclusivly with one race.


Another favorite, Wapanese/Japanophile/Etc.


*sigh* especially if YOU'RE IN JAPAN. What?? Someone should be ashamed of trying to blend in? Someone should be ashamed of trying some of the culture out and doing themselves? Especially in a place like Japan where group and conformity is so common....I should make life harder for myself because somehow that would make me more "true" to my self?? Yeah screw that.

I don't even agree that we should even consider "how Japanese you are trying to act." Why is there a gauge? What's wrong with trying things that other cultures have to offer?

If I was really being myself, I wouldn't care about how it would look and I'd just do whatever interets me; That's being yourself.


"Staying away from looking like you're trying to copy someone/something else." is not being yourself.

Let me ask you a question:


If someone lived in Japan for 20 years, learned about the culture, ended up AGREEING with it and started living/advocating it, does that make him any less of himself than someone who fits more of the "american" stereotype?

Does that make one a hyprocryte and the other "himself"?

*This might seem to some like an angry rant, but I'm that angry about it. It just soemthing I've always thought about. I just don't agree with making distinct lines between different types of behavior. Why should someone have to defend/explain his or herself for liking something from a different culture?*

Please don't take my tone incorrectly. Just positive pondering. Don't you think It's going too far to call someone a "wanna be [insert race]" just because they show or have interest in things that fit a stereotype or another culture?

[Tssss..]

I think people criticize what they don't understand and they try to fit it into a little box with a name attached.....

you assume a certain group of people (japanese) are all the same. so when someone starts living like the japanese do, instead of thinking they simply enjoy that lifestyle, you have to make yourself feel more comfortable with it and say they are 'trying to be japanese'. then it excuses you of the effort to figure out why.

that made no sense. *sighs*

[h2orowe]

To me, it's like
Acting a certain race, is if you ONLY like it because it's from a certain race/country.
Acting Japanese is like let's say rape was the new fad, I hate rap-you 10 minuites before, RAPE IS POPULAR IN JAPAN!? I'VE LOVED IT FOR SO LONG-you 10 minuites after the 10 minuites before.

[Dana]

rape = rap? hehehe

anyway, I agree with you whole heartedly kokujin! I have always had my little interests that may seem weird to people who don't know me that well because they assume I am some normal "white" girl. I don't love rap in general, I won't just listen to it because it is rap like some people do, but I love wu tang, have since i was in middle school. I also love 80's and early 90's hair metal and Johnny Cash and Billie Holiday. I have always thought that when people limit themselves to one image they are completely missing out on a whole world of things they might love.

So that goes too for the idea of "acting" your race. A lot of people in the states have more than one race to act anyway!! People should live by the mantra "Please yourself!"

[Kusoyaro]

HOWEVER, it IS true that there are those who don't like their culture and prefer another obne over it. To me, that's just retarded. I'm brown, and if I was given the chance to be born white black or east asian, I would tell whoever to fuck off. I like my culture and since I know ALL about it, I can take pride in it. That doesn't mean that i don't adopt certain traits from others, it's just that I don't, like many people I know, DESIRE to be of another culture. People like that probably haven't been fuly taught their own culture, or have been conditioned to think, conciously or not, that what they are is subpar and/or undesirable. etc bla bla bla im gonna go eat some food

[Citizen]

It has nothing to do with people not being allowed to act how they want. It has to do with people being annoying. Annoying is annoying, no matter what race a person is or what race they are acting like.

Chiggers and wiggers are, for the most part, annoying, period. I don't care that they're "acting black", but you can tell that 90% of them are just poseurs(it's good to act a certain way because you want to, not because other people want you to or because you see other people doing it), and poseurs are annoying, because nothing they say or do flows right. They seem out of place, and they usually look stupid because they overdo the look they are going for.

Plus, it's just sad and annoying seeing someone act "ghetto" when they're not, and too be honest, even though using ebonics is ascinine to begin with(no matter who you are), it sounds even worse when coming from a white person or an Asian.

That's the real reason why wiggers and chiggers are annoying.

[Roxie]

i compeletly sympathize.

the only thing that pisses me off is when ppl say "oh _______ culture is SO much better than ____ culture" :mad:

[Pierrot le Fou]

Ditto on what Citizen said.

Annoying people are annoying people. Whether you're pretending to be Japanese when you know shit about actual Japanese culture, or you're pretending to be black when you know shit about black urban culture, it's silly. It's being pompous, pretentious, and obnoxious.

[koku]

Ditto on what Citizen said.

Annoying people are annoying people. Whether you're pretending to be Japanese when you know shit about actual Japanese culture, or you're pretending to be black when you know shit about black urban culture, it's silly. It's being pompous, pretentious, and obnoxious.


but it's also annoying to hear "blah blah act this way because of your color!"

when you're just sincerly into it. People shoudlnt really need to defend themselves in the first place. No one questions if I like a certian color(most). But when it's something of a different culture or stereotype it's time to make comments.


Luckily for me I see the same group of friends so I don't get it as much.

[kensei]

You know what I love? Is not being able to go over to my friend's house because her Korean father hates anything remotely Japanese. God, it's awesome not being able to hang out at your friend's house because your last name is Sugita and who your anscestors were. It's so freakin' sweet.

[Pfalzer]

I heart you Dana Wu Tang Forever !

[Pierrot le Fou]

Torture mother fucker, torture nigger, what...

I'll fuckin', I'll fuckin', tie you to the fuckin' bedposts, with your ass cheeks spread out 'n shit, right?

Put a hanger on the fuckin' stove, and let that shit sit there for like a half hour, and then take it off, and stick it your ass, slow like...

Pssssssssssssshhh...

[nice gaijin]

i think the point was that most people who try to adopt another culture as their own is that they act annoying. It's not about how some white guy looks in a yukata or even a sean jean shirt, it's the way he acts that makes him annoying, and the extremes that he goes to to try and "integrate" into the culture when all he's really doing is making himself stand out more.

example a: Some American spending time in Japan wearing a jinbe during a festival.

example b: Some American in Japan wearing a Kimono every day

Who is trying too hard here?

[koku]

i think the point was that most people who try to adopt another culture as their own is that they act annoying. It's not about how some white guy looks in a yukata or even a sean jean shirt, it's the way he acts that makes him annoying, and the extremes that he goes to to try and "integrate" into the culture when all he's really doing is making himself stand out more.

example a: Some American spending time in Japan wearing a jinbe during a festival.

example b: Some American in Japan wearing a Kimono every day

Who is trying too hard here?

I'd only have a problem with it if what they were doing wasn't accurate.

Mabye he really likes Kimonos let him be. I wouldn't care. And when you say "trying too hard" that already imples you view it as a "he shouldnt venture too far from this charactar."


I woudln't care honestly. He's just peacefully doing his own thing and it's not making my life any worse. And I'd say, "you're weird for wearing a kimono everyday(if that was by japanese standards) before I'd say, "you're white....stop it."

[nice gaijin]

My point is that most people who take their obsession with such-and-such culture to the point where they try to go beyond the stereotypes to try and prove their complete assimilation into that culture are obnoxious, and only proving that they don't fit into their adopted culture.

It doesn't matter what color your skin is, if you aren't from the mean streets, don't try to act like a gangster. If you aren't from Japan, don't try to be Japanese. If your character is to pretend you're someone else, then there are more issues at hand than just "liking kimono."

You're right, the white guy in the kimono is doing his own thing, but he does stick out like a sore thumb, and if I saw one walking down the street either here or in Japan, I would wonder why he is doing that, and discuss it with my friends. I don't go up to people and tell them they should stop what they're doing because they're from such 'n such an ethnic background.

I like certain aspects of Japanese culture and Japanese behaviour. I emulate polite table manners when I can, and I'm mindful of what I do with my chopsticks and people's business cards, I think bentou boxes are a great idea, and that homemade Japanese food makes a hell of a better lunch than what I can buy at the student union. Does this make me a poser? I'd hope not. Would that change if I wore my geta and yukata to school and put "san" on the end of everyone's name? fuck yes it would. The reason people who weren't raised in a certain culture stand out and look awkward when they act like they were, is that it's unnatural behaviour for them to exhibit. If you weren't raised in a culture, all you can do is emulate it.

but it's also annoying to hear "blah blah act this way because of your color!"yes, because that's racism and stereotypical. You're talking about an extreme end of the spectrum, so I'm using examples of hypothetical people who might be told that. What brought this topic about anyways? did someone accuse you of trying to be something you aren't?

when you're just sincerly into it. People shoudlnt really need to defend themselves in the first place. No one questions if I like a certian color(most). But when it's something of a different culture or stereotype it's time to make comments.You should be prepared to defend yourself at all times: The way you present yourself, the way you come to your conclusions, the conclusions you come to, and especially the way you express yourself and word your arguments... If you aren't prepared to defend yourself then you will just be unarmed when someone does attack you. I'm not saying you should be paranoid and defensive about everything, but that you shouldn't expect everyone to just "get along." People are going to have differing opinions from you and they are going to question your reality and perhaps make you question your own reality. be ready for it by not being stubborn, but carefully considering the way you present yourself, and how other people might perceive you.

[BluZytrix]

I believe that the hardest thing to deal with is the partial rejection of your home culture from ignorant people. I have learned to deal with assholes that come along who aren't black and deny my "blackness" for ignorant reasons but it hurts worse when a another brotha comes along and doesn't identify with you because you like j-(insert whatever). No, I don't run around flaunting the fact that I know about this and that, but when a moment comes when I can actually drop some ideas about stuff that ain't bitches, bling and other black sterotypes, I get shot down like a Nazi war plane. Personally, I think one of the main problems is of course the media and its portrail of every race. I'm just trying to break the mold that clutches people and for that I pay a price. I pay a price to be made fun of and taunted. I have accepted that and for those that wish to be enlightened, I will show them and for those that don't, they can go fuck a goat. I've been defying stupid sterotypes since before high school. I'm an uppitty negro. I got my shit together and I'm not from the hood. I'm an engineer and damn proud of it. Yes, I do believe that you have to defend who you are every day. That is what defines who you are and what you stand for. In that defense I will express who I truly am and try not to lie to myself in the process. I don't see the aquisition of another culture as becoming them, but a means to add another perspective to my bag of life. You are always welcome to see whatever is in my bag, but I know what to pull out of it in the right circumstances.

[Citizen]

MTV is one of the main things that has shoved stereotypes up far too many people's asses.

If only we could get that shitty channel and all it's various versions shut down. Yeah, like that'll happen. People have no taste, thus, one of the single most pathetic excuses for a channel lives on. Video killed the radio star. Then MTV killed the video, tact, and taste. :(

[hanacker]

MTV is one of the main things that has shoved stereotypes up far too many people's asses.

If only we could get that shitty channel and all it's various versions shut down. Yeah, like that'll happen. People have no taste, thus, one of the single most pathetic excuses for a channel lives on. Video killed the radio star. Then MTV killed the video, tact, and taste. :(

Yes, if we got rid of MTV, stereotypes would vanish and the world would hold hands and sing in harmony! I don't think steretypes even existed before MTV. Could be wrong though, with my ADD and all.

[Citizen]

You seem to have missed the part where I said it's one of the things. Save your sad sarcasm for someone else.

[JacopeX]

First off, who's to say a certain race should act a certain way? That to me is complete garbage. How you act on the outside, what you like and dislike, etc. doesn't mean you are trying to be a certian race; It just means you like that hobby, that language, that area, WHATEVER. I had a friend who became god-awfully annoying to talk to because he coudln't grasp this idea. Actually, it is not garbage at all and it is very irrelevant on how you think of the definition "wapanese" is. Actually, yes it does mean you are trying to be a certain race due to the fact that you act like it and express it very strongly to the point where the Wapanese idiot gets totally obsessed. Hobby? Language? Sike! Its a bunch of crap. These so called, Wapanese kids piss everyone off, especially the "Real"
japanese kids at school. They draw Yaoi/Yuri and I usually crumble that crap up. Your friend might of been right. These Wapanese and there obsession is too annoying. How they talk about it, how they speak of Japan as if it were an anime. You see, the things they do and say is why we call these hideous monsters "wapanese". :duh: No lo cagas oye!

This is how I feel about so many critisms people use. "Act Black." "Act white."


Excuse me? Because I don't feel like listning to rap anymore, sagging my pants, and everything else you've assumed...... all of a sudden I'm not acting black? Who's to say that's only a black trait in the first place? Yes, its a modern stereotype that I hate. the black race dont always dress up like those drug dealers you see in the streets. Or those gangster kids at school.

Another favorite, Wapanese/Japanophile/Etc.


*sigh* especially if YOU'RE IN JAPAN. What?? Someone should be ashamed of trying to blend in? Someone should be ashamed of trying some of the culture out and doing themselves? Especially in a place like Japan where group and conformity is so common....I should make life harder for myself because somehow that would make me more "true" to my self?? Yeah screw that.
Actually, no one, and I repeat no one has said anything about NORMAL PEOPLE trying out the culture in Japan. I never thought of going there and if I did, I would actually look around and check the culture out. But these Wapanese kids would treat everything as if it where an Anime. Thinking a School girl would screw any boy.

If I was really being myself, I wouldn't care about how it would look and I'd just do whatever interets me; That's being yourself. Make sure it does not become an unhealthy obsession.


"Staying away from looking like you're trying to copy someone/something else." is not being yourself.

Let me ask you a question:


If someone lived in Japan for 20 years, learned about the culture, ended up AGREEING with it and started living/advocating it, does that make him any less of himself than someone who fits more of the "american" stereotype?
OF course. Because he is american by blood. Period.

Does that make one a hyprocryte and the other "himself"? That question was very inaclipable.


*This might seem to some like an angry rant, but I'm that angry about it. It just soemthing I've always thought about. I just don't agree with making distinct lines between different types of behavior. Why should someone have to defend/explain his or herself for liking something from a different culture?* Because.

1. ITs annoying and starts to become sometimes offending by the stereotypes the strongly belive in. They are just a bunch of Obnoxious, loud mouth, fanyboyish/girlish kids/teens/people....

2. Its unhealthy

3. Sucks.....also cocks. :bored:

Please don't take my tone incorrectly. Just positive pondering. Don't you think It's going too far to call someone a "wanna be [insert race]" just because they show or have interest in things that fit a stereotype or another culture?
No. You deny that your a certain race for another and totally abandon your true race completely and act like something you are not. It is called being fake. :karate:

In addition to all that, read these links

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Wapanese

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wapanese

:meh: :sigh: Its so obvious.....and sorry for bumping such an old thread anyway. I just found this in google and had to give out a clear statement. :o

[Kfisher]

I hate the idea of being accused of being wannabe <insert race here> as well. It makes it kinda awkward to listen to Rap and wear loose-fitting clothes knowing that you're doing something usually associated with another race, and that by listening to that music and wearing that fashion you can be accused by others of trying to be that race.

Oh, and as for the Japanese, I sometimes watch anime and I draw anime style drawings. I guess that makes me Wapanese and Wigger at the same time, eh? [/sarcasm]

And I agree with the statement on MTV, FUCK MTV, LOL.....

[Druid]

It's not so much that someone is acting as another race, it's that they either twist the mannerisms or fuck it up completely. Taking all the negative points and putting into concentrated suck form. As Azrael says, "Hiphop in a can." But, most of the time the way a person acts is forced when it comes to these things. It most decidedly shows, ya know. Imitating a lifestyle and living it are two different things. That said, VH1>MTV. Especially after 1 in the morn, when all the music videos come on.

[Angelyne]

This just has to set some sort of thread resurrection record. 2+ year time difference between the responses.....DAMN.

[Druid]

Yah. This one beats mine by three months. Jey is gonna pee his pants when he sees that...

[Kfisher]

Now, I will address Jacopex's post. ;)

Actually, it is not garbage at all and it is very irrelevant on how you think of the definition "wapanese" is. Actually, yes it does mean you are trying to be a certain race due to the fact that you act like it and express it very strongly to the point where the Wapanese idiot gets totally obsessed. Hobby? Language? Sike! Its a bunch of crap. These so called, Wapanese kids piss everyone off, especially the "Real"
japanese kids at school. They draw Yaoi/Yuri and I usually crumble that crap up. Your friend might of been right. These Wapanese and there obsession is too annoying. How they talk about it, how they speak of Japan as if it were an anime. You see, the things they do and say is why we call these hideous monsters "wapanese". No lo cagas oye!

Yes, I admit I find the obsession to be a bit annoying too. But calling them hideous monsters over it? Now that's going over the edge, especially since I know some good friends who have the traits of what you might call a "Wapanese". Also, liking stuff like anime, Jpop and sushi means you ARE trying to be Japanese? If that so, then I'm never eating California Maki ever again. [/sarcasm]

Yes, its a modern stereotype that I hate. the black race dont always dress up like those drug dealers you see in the streets. Or those gangster kids at school.

Yes, the stereotype does get annoying after a while. True, stereotypes don't apply to all. Funny though, more often that not, the Blacks I've seen both here in Maryland and back in Cali do act in the stereotypical manner.

Actually, no one, and I repeat no one has said anything about NORMAL PEOPLE trying out the culture in Japan. I never thought of going there and if I did, I would actually look around and check the culture out. But these Wapanese kids would treat everything as if it where an Anime. Thinking a School girl would screw any boy.


Wait, what do you mean? Does that mean if a person wants to be down with Japanese culture, he/she ain't normal? I don't get that...

Also, lol at the last 2 sentences.

Make sure it does not become an unhealthy obsession.

Where do you draw the line between healthy and unhealthy?

OF course. Because he is american by blood. Period.

There is no such thing as "American by blood", unless you're referring to Native Americans. America is a country that is composed of people of many different races from all parts of the world.

That question was very inaclipable.

No comment.... I don't know that the word "inaclipable" means.

Because.

1. ITs annoying and starts to become sometimes offending by the stereotypes the strongly belive in. They are just a bunch of Obnoxious, loud mouth, fanyboyish/girlish kids/teens/people....

2. Its unhealthy

3. Sucks.....also cocks.

Now THAT is where it becomes an unhealthy obsession. Now, if a person can like something without being annoying to other people, it can still be acceptable.

No. You deny that your a certain race for another and totally abandon your true race completely and act like something you are not. It is called being fake.

So, to listen to a certain genre of music or wear a certain brand of clothing means abandoning your race? Wow, my countrymen must be REALLY ashamed of me by now.

In addition to all that, read these links

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Wapanese

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wapanese

Are you citing Encyclopediadramatica and Urbandictionary as sources of information? LMFAO!!!

:sigh: Its so obvious.....and sorry for bumping such an old thread anyway. I just found this in google and had to give out a clear statement.

Wait, did you google Wapanese or something? lol...

[hectorse]

It hink wapanese is a perfectly acceptable "derogatory" term (as acceptable as they come). There is no denying that someone with those characteristics is really obnoxious

[RandomPasserby]

Hey, is a black wannabe-japanese a blapanese and a filipino one a fapanese or in case of wanting to be black, figger?

[JacopeX]

Yes, I admit I find the obsession to be a bit annoying too. But calling them hideous monsters over it? Now that's going over the edge, especially since I know some good friends who have the traits of what you might call a "Wapanese". Also, liking stuff like anime, Jpop and sushi means you ARE trying to be Japanese? If that so, then I'm never eating California Maki ever again. [/sarcasm] You are missing the whole entire point. A wapanese is actually someone who loves everything that is japanese AND has and unhealthy obsession. also, they speak of it all as if Japan was an anime. Well, they are wrong.

Yes, the stereotype does get annoying after a while. True, stereotypes don't apply to all. Funny though, more often that not, the Blacks I've seen both here in Maryland and back in Cali do act in the stereotypical manner. Thoese who started the stereotype is incorrect and it is a stereotype because that is what many whites and hispanics see them as. As a Peruvian/hispanic I dont eat tacos. This is one of the reasons why humanity will never unite.

Wait, what do you mean? Does that mean if a person wants to be down with Japanese culture, he/she ain't normal? I don't get that...

Also, lol at the last 2 sentences. No, im talking about a wapanese.


Where do you draw the line between healthy and unhealthy? Normal person that likes Japanese stuff- Would eat sushi, have some decoratives from the culture, maybe watch some anime and likes the buddah religion (that parti s optional I ment). They know the culture alot and know how Japan is without thinking of it as they see it in anime and think that japanese girls would screw with anything/anyone.

Wapanese kid- Over the top obsessed! Would buy too many uncessesary japanese goods by wasting alot of there money, even use there life savings, Thinks of Japan as an anime, would try to speak japanese or use a japanese word in every fricken sentence, Wears hello kitty or anime shirts everyfricken day, call him/herself otaku, Watches anime 24/7, Yellow fever, ect (ALL AT THE SAME TIME



There is no such thing as "American by blood", unless you're referring to Native Americans. America is a country that is composed of people of many different races from all parts of the world. When I say american by blood, i mean they were born in america. Yes, its a coun try of many types of races but I speak of FOR EXAMPLE the average caucasian Male/female.



No comment.... I don't know that the word "inaclipable" means.

Im sorry, I ment Incompliable. I dont know what I was thinking. :duh:

Now THAT is where it becomes an unhealthy obsession. Now, if a person can like something without being annoying to other people, it can still be acceptable. Exactly!



So, to listen to a certain genre of music or wear a certain brand of clothing means abandoning your race? Wow, my countrymen must be REALLY ashamed of me by now. Your missing the point again. I said completely and even acting like you were born there. That sort of thing!

Are you citing Encyclopediadramatica and Urbandictionary as sources of information? LMFAO!!!
Because it is pretty much what I mean as I state my facts.


Wait, did you google Wapanese or something? lol... Bingo! :D

[Decade]

A family friend of mine is a professor at a local college.

He's a psychology teacher and actually deals and teaches about this kind of subject every day. His course is designed to study the psychological effects racism and stereotypes have upon people of every race.

Topics he's covered and I found related to this:

1) Asian kids who raise their hands and correctly answer questions in school will eventually raise their hands and intentionally give a wrong answer, just so that their classmates wont think they're just a "smart asian/asian bookworm/asian nerd/etc."

2) Black students who go out to eat with friends may really want to eat fried chicken, but they dont want to order it because they're afraid of being made fun of, so they'll order something else (anyone remember this being covered in a dave chappelle skit?). It might sound funny thanks to that skit, but it's a more common, serious, psychological problem than you think.

3) If a Jewish person goes to a restaurant, unless they sell bottled water they'll order a soda, even if they dont want that and would prefer water. Why? So that they would appear to be "cheap" among friends (I actually do this when I go out with certain friends). Likewise, if a Jewish person find a penny on the ground, they typically wont pick it up in fear of being mocked (Again, I do this as well. Even though I was taught by my mother and grandmother that's good luck, I've been insulted in the past and now am to skeptical to do it 90% of the time).


What it comes down to is that everyone expects everyone else to act a certain way, and we limit ourselves from doing somethings we like in order to avoid being singled out. Is it right? No, but this is how most of society has decided to cope with it, hoping "well, if I don't let them see it, they wont bother me over it."



Likewise, it kinda bothers me when I hear someone say "You don't look ______"

I hear this a lot when I'm told I don't look hispanic. Of course, I have identity issues on the subject (I don't know if I count myself as hispanic, the furthest I go is say that i'm "Spanish") simply because I've let others confuse me over it because I'm also white and (born) Jewish.


But alas, that's just the way it is, and while I accept I can't change the world, I can change at least what happens around me.

[Roxie]

If you're not wearing a Yarmulke or dressed like an orthodox Rabbi, I have no idea what a Jewish person would look like. They all look white to me.

But it's true. There are psychological pressures and depending on your community the pressure to fit into what you should be or break out of you're expected to be is very hard. It happens with all ppl, I'm sure, but it's more pronounced when you're a miniority.

When I was 8, we moved from a predominantely white neighborhood to an all black neighborhood and the differences..wow. I got picked on for "talking" white (using standardized english), and "acting" white (reading books for pleasure), not wearing nikes, not having a perm, etc..But the pressure was intense (which my light skin didn't make any better)! I started adding "ain't" to my everday vocabulary and that stopped all the "talking" white nonsense. Though I still got picked on for reading...

I hate these terms and ideals. They're restrictive and demeaning to everyone involved. They're simply wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

[stsparky]

If you're not wearing a Yarmulke or dressed like an orthodox Rabbi, I have no idea what a Jewish person would look like. They all look white to me. ... There's about 71+ identified different ethnic types among Jews, including the Lemba (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lemba&redirect=no). And as Judaism is both a culture and an religion - we can look like anyone. Even you. Especially you in fact. And until the late 1950s - we weren't considered 'white' at all. Case in point being the below film - Gentleman's Agreement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman%27s_Agreement).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/47a.jpg

I'm fairly positive as I stated elsewhere on the forum - with an informed opinion - that among the Wa (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wa_%28Japan%29&redirect=no) tribe of Silla (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Silla&redirect=no) there were Asian Jews who came to Japan from the 3rd Century until the 7th Century known and became known as the Hata tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hata_tribe), some consider belonging to part of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes), specifically the tribe of Dan (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tribe_of_Dan&redirect=no) and the seafaring tribe of Zebulun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Zebulun):

Some writers have speculated that the Japanese people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people) themselves may be direct descendants of part of the Ten Lost Tribes. An article that has been widely circulated and published, entitled "Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes: Japan" by Arimasa Kubo[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_note-10) (a Japanese writer living in Japan who studied the Hebrew Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible)), concludes that many traditional customs and ceremonies in Japan are very similar to the ones of ancient Israel and that perhaps these rituals came from the religion and customs of the Jews and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel who might have come to ancient Japan. [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_note-11)
Joseph Eidelberg's "The Biblical Hebrew Origin of the Japanese People" makes a similar case:
“ Late in his life, Joseph Eidelberg began analyzing ancient traditions, religious ceremonies, historical names, haiku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku) poems, Kana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana) writings and Japanese folk songs, discovering thousands of words with similar pronunciations, sounds and translations between Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language) and Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language). These discoveries are history in the making, giving credible new information on the meanings of many unknown Japanese words, numbers, songs and cultural traditions – and this book is the first time that these remarkable similarities are combined into a single consistent theory.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_note-12)

Dr. Yoshiro Saeki (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yoshiro_Saeki&action=edit) (1872 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872)-1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965)), discovered an ancient tomb and shrine on an island in the Seto Inland Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seto_Inland_Sea) in 1907 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907), which he interpreted as a Hata inhumatin. The tomb, he claims, was that of Hada no Kawakatsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hata_no_K%C5%8Dkatsu), a great Hata chieftain. The shrine, called "Osake Jinja," he interpreted to be a shrine to King David (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David). Among his arguments for connections between the Hata, the Japanese, and Judaism are references to the kagome crest (which resembles the Star of David (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David)) on the Grand Shrine of Ise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Shrine_of_Ise), and coincidental linguistic similarities between Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_language) and Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language).

^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_ref-10) Israelites Came To Ancient Japan (http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/%7Emagi9/isracame.htm) , Arimasa Kubo.
^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_ref-11) Israelites Came To Ancient Japan (http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/japan.php), moshiach.com, Chabad website, accessed 3/23/07.
^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes#_ref-12) isralbooks.com listing (http://israelbooks.com/bookDetails.asp?book=406)

[Roxie]

Yeah, I know they weren't considered white in America for a long time (and still aren't by some racists), but thanks for the info!

[Jetsetlemming]

I've experienced and witnessed far more anti-semetism than racism against any other group. :(

[Hatsumomo]

I got picked on for "talking" white (using standardized english), and "acting" white (reading books for pleasure), not wearing nikes, not having a perm, etc..But the pressure was intense (which my light skin didn't make any better)! I started adding "ain't" to my everday vocabulary and that stopped all the "talking" white nonsense. Though I still got picked on for reading...

Yeah, that sounds like my childhood. It didn't help that my (predominately white) school segregated itself (as in, blacks hung out with blacks, Asians with Asians, Hispanics with Hispanics, etc.). I tried speaking "ebonics" but that got shot down pretty quick by my parents. I was to speak proper English at all times. It was loads of fun visiting cousins on my mom's side of the family in country-ass Florida. My cousins that were around my age and their friends always commented that I talk like a white girl.

[Trump]

I thought about that, the whole not ordering water thing. Then I realized I wanted water and not soda, so I ordered water. Really, if someone is going to genuinely pick on me for it, screw them. I'm better than they are and it is their loss, not mine.

[Decade]

If you're not wearing a Yarmulke or dressed like an orthodox Rabbi, I have no idea what a Jewish person would look like. They all look white to me.
Just call it a kippah, yarmulke makes it sound like a swedish music instrument or something :P

[ryobreak]

I've experienced and witnessed far more anti-semetism than racism against any other group. :(
Then atleast spell semitism correctly:frypan:

[xinster]

I've experienced and witnessed far more anti-semetism than racism against any other group. :(

definitely. Jews have been hated by a huge variety of people ever since they came to be.

[RandomPasserby]

definitely. Jews have been hated by a huge variety of people ever since they came to be.
No offense, but which "major" group hasn't been hated by all the others? Muslims, christians, pagans have all been hated.

[Decade]

I dont want to turn this thread into a "whose been hated on the most" topic, rather I'd like to just make what should be an obvious point:

We could all probably make a laundry list of events that's happened to your specific race/religion/group in the past, but that's not to show by comparrison you've had it worse than anyone else. If anything, it should give a person of any background more evidence to relate to each other and promote better understandings of repression felt at one time or another from one group to another.

These are things that should work to connect people more to show you've felt the same or similar kind of pain in the past. Unfortunately, in reality we use them to seperate us more and more and in turn helps feed further repressive events to others.

[Jetsetlemming]

Then atleast spell semitism correctly:frypan:
Congratulations for your ability to notice a single different letter. I'm sure you're a hit at parties. :clap:

[Jetsetlemming]

I dont want to turn this thread into a "whose been hated on the most" topic, rather I'd like to just make what should be an obvious point:

We could all probably make a laundry list of events that's happened to your specific race/religion/group in the past, but that's not to show by comparrison you've had it worse than anyone else. If anything, it should give a person of any background more evidence to relate to each other and promote better understandings of repression felt at one time or another from one group to another.

These are things that should work to connect people more to show you've felt the same or similar kind of pain in the past. Unfortunately, in reality we use them to seperate us more and more and in turn helps feed further repressive events to others.
Lesse, the holocaust, European expansion into the Americas, slavery, the damage foreign enviromentalists have done to Africa for politics, the various slaughters of other peoples since the beginning of time....

[Druid]

No offense, but which "major" group hasn't been hated by all the others? Muslims, christians, pagans have all been hated.
Yarr. And, in the end, the only thing that counts is who has more rocks/swords/guns/nukes than everybody else.

[Decade]

Get over yourself Jet, you know better than that.

[Jetsetlemming]

wuh? >_>; I wasn't comparing anything. Just making an idle comment.

[xinster]

No offense, but which "major" group hasn't been hated by all the others? Muslims, christians, pagans have all been hated.

Not to the extent of Anti-semitism. Alot of people in the US and all over the world still read the Protocols like its the fucking bible.

[Roxie]

wtf is the Protocols?

[xinster]

Al fucking Sharpton bam outta nowhere. That's funny, and also self-deprecating.

[xinster]

wtf is the Protocols?

The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion. Propoganda that suggests a world conspiracy of Jews that has been going on for a long, long time.

[Decade]

Fucking A, can we please not turn this into Jews having it worse than other races, or any other race having it worse than others?

This isn't going to end well, and what I said in my last post still stands.

And this is coming from a Jew.

[xinster]

*shrugs* I had to learn about the holocaust every fucking year of middle and high school. Never once was Unit 731 mentioned. So, i wouldn't mind not having a discussion about how Jews have it worse than anyone else either.

[Decade]

Big fucking deal, so did I. Know the difference?

I accept other races had it bad too at some point or another.

It's easiest to claim your ancestors had it the worst since you are directly related to them, but it's absolutely ludicrous to argue others haven't had a pretty bad history as well, regardless of your knowledge in your own background.

[hectorse]

I'm Mexican. I don't care about your race, if you can get drunk, you are my friend

[RandomPasserby]

Not to the extent of Anti-semitism. Alot of people in the US and all over the world still read the Protocols like its the fucking bible.
Bah, I would say that currently, Roma/gypsies have passed jews in the hate. After all, no-one mentions them being genocided, 200 000-800 000 according to wikipedia died at one paragraph, at other "Because the Roma communities of Eastern Europe were less organized than the Jewish communities, it is more difficult to assess the actual number of victims; the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Research Institute in Washington puts the number of Romani lives lost by 1945 at between one and a half and a half million." and no-one cares if they are discriminated against (because they aren't black, jews or latinos and are usually poor and a small minority).
And they face much worse than jews there days. And no-one cares, there is no "Roxie" copypasting news about force-sterilizations etc.

[Jetsetlemming]

Maybe in Europe. There are no gypsies in the US outside of mechanical fortune telling booths.

[RandomPasserby]

Maybe in Europe. There are no gypsies in the US outside of mechanical fortune telling booths.
OMG SEE?!
A negative racial stereotype and even their existence is denied. Wikipedia says USA has a disputed 1 million Roma.

[Angelyne]

*shrugs* I had to learn about the holocaust every fucking year of middle and high school. Never once was Unit 731 mentioned. So, i wouldn't mind not having a discussion about how Jews have it worse than anyone else either.

I agree--the Holocaust was terrible, but it makes me sick how often it was emphasized in my public school history classes. They weren't the only people who suffered in WWII. The war crimes that occurred in Asia at the time were not mentioned once in my public school curriculum--I had never heard of Nanking until I went to college.

Over 60+ million people died in WW2 and all we ever hear about in this country is the fraction of jews who were killed by Hitler. The Holocaust shouldn't be forgotten but neither should other groups who suffered.

[stsparky]

The Protocols of the Elders Of Zion. ...
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zio n&redirect=no) (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): "Протоколы сионских мудрецов", or "Сионские протоколы", see also other titles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#Title)) is an antisemitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic) literary forgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_forgery) that purports to describe a Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_%28political%29) to achieve world domination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_domination).
Numerous independent investigations have repeatedly proven it to be a plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism) and a hoax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-0)
Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana), the secret police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police) of the Russian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire), fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s. Among the most notable early refutations of the Protocols as a forgery were a series of articles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#The_Times_expos es_a_forgery.2C_1921) printed in The Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times) of London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) in 1921 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921). This series revealed that much of the material in the Protocols was plagiarized from earlier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between_Machiavelli_and_Monte squieu) political satire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_satire) that did not have an antisemitic theme. Since 1903, when the Protocols appeared in print, its earliest publishers have offered vague and often contradictory testimony detailing how they obtained their copy of the rumored original manuscript.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-1)
The Protocols are widely considered to be the beginning of contemporary conspiracy theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) literature,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-Boym) and take the form of an instruction manual to a new member of the "elders," describing how they will run the world through control of the media and finance, and replace the traditional social order with one based on mass manipulation.
The text was popularized by those opposed to Russian revolutionary movement, and was disseminated further after the revolution of 1905 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_of_1905), becoming known worldwide after the 1917 October Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution). It was widely circulated in the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world) in 1920 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920) and thereafter. The Great Depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression) and the rise of Nazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) were important developments in the history of the Protocols, and the hoax continued to be published and circulated despite its debunking.
Continued usage of the Protocols as an antisemitic propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda) tool substantially diminished with the defeat of the Nazis in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II). It is still frequently quoted and reprinted by antisemites, and is sometimes used as evidence of an alleged Jewish cabal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal), especially in the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-UNESC)

English versions:
In 1920, five editions sold out in England. That same year in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America), Henry Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford) sponsored the printing of 500,000 copies, and from 1920 to 1922 published a series of antisemitic articles, entitled the The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew), in The Dearborn Independent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent), a newspaper he owned. In 1921 Ford cited it as evidence of a Jewish threat: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time."[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocol_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#_note-Wallace2003) In 1927, however, Ford retracted his publication and apologized, claiming his assistants duped him. However, he later expressed his admiration for Nazi Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany).

To sum up - it's Russian Hate Speech turned into a fraudulent quasi-document. Nazi Medal of Honor winner Prescott Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prescott_Bush&redirect=no)'s pal Henry Ford had his car dealerships hand the manuscript out for ages. Prescott was the US senator found guilty of Trading With the Enemy Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_With_the_Enemy_Act)and Hitler claimed the man was his Financial Angel. And these folks hated Jews. Investigator John Loftus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus) has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman) [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Some claim that through Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining) operations in Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland) which used slave labor out of Auschwitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%C5%9Bwi%C4%99cim), where the Auschwitz concentration camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp) was later constructed.
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Oddly enough it is the Protocols that caused the Japanese to come up with the Fugu Plan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu_Plan) or Fugu Plot (河豚計画, Fugu keikaku? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Japanese)) which was a scheme created in the 1930s in Imperial Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Japan), centered around the idea of settling Jewish refugees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees) escaping Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi)-occupied Europe, in Japan's territories on the Asian mainland, to Japan's benefit. The Plan was first discussed in 1934, and solidified in 1938 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938) at the Five Ministers' Conference, but the signing of the Tripartite Pact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact) in 1941 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941), along with a number of other events, prevented its full implementation. The plotters believed that the Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) could be quite beneficial to Japan, but also quite dangerous. Therefore, the plan was named after the Japanese delicacy "fugu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu)", a puffer-fish whose poison can kill if the dish is not prepared exactly correctly. ...

Knowing is half the battle. The Museum of Tolerance claims the Rom lost 3 1/2 million. Is your total different? Hitler also targetted Homosexuals, the Disabled, the deformed, and those suffering from mental retardation. Russian losses totaled 43 million. And who knows what Stalin did afterwards. I met a Rom who wanted to built a web presence to help kids but there's a strong anti-school bias in the culture.

[Jetsetlemming]

OMG SEE?!
A negative racial stereotype and even their existence is denied. Wikipedia says USA has a disputed 1 million Roma.
People decended from them maybe, but there are no roving band of drifters in caravans traveling the countryside, except maybe carnies and circus-folk. :O

[Citizen]

Locked for thread necromancy. And for being off-topic.

New rule added. No more thread necromancy outside of RWPW.