The self-defence condom.

[d0nk3y]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050831/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_safrica_rape

To sum it up - it is a 'reverse' condom a woman wears like a tampon. Currently only starting to be used in South Africa - the most HIV infected country in the world.

If someone attempts to rape her, sharp barbs hook into the man's penis when he tries to pull out. The article states it can only be removed by surgery.

Talk about punishment to fit the crime, a step in street justice in the right direction?

What happenes when the man feels he has been hurt like this? It seems to me that unless the pain is extremely crippling, he may be inclined to beat the woman to death.

Wouldn't something like this cause TSS? It can't be possible to wear one of these all the time, would it be worth the effort to wear this in high risk areas?

[Praetorian]

I think it's barbaric. Think about all the women that will actually try getting 'raped' (or just consenting to it) who are wearing such a thing. The man can never prove that he never really did try to rape her, because in cases like these everybody supports the woman. If the woman puts up a good story, she can effectively ruin the guys life.

That and I think it'll, indeed, result in far more killings of those that are raped.

[4letterwords]

Not many people realize how many women in South Africa are raped... its a ridiculous number... If you read about the stories, hear the statistics, and talk to a few people from SA... I think you'll say this is a pretty damn good idea.

[Tungtvann]

How many women are gonna put that inside? Also, if there was a risk of a woman with that, the rapist may use other 'places'. And if he got his dick spiked, he'd likely to commit further violence on the woman. I have no sympathy for rapists penises, but I don't think this is an answer.

[VGD]

If someone attempts to rape her, sharp barbs hook into the man's penis when he tries to pull out. The article states it can only be removed by surgery.
The penis or the condom?

[d0nk3y]

The penis or the condom?

Both can be easily removed at home with a meat cleaver.

But the condom can only be safely removed by surgery.

[Benaire]

I think it would be a terrible idea that will be abused. Its much easier to just give every women a gun to square up the playing field.

[Praetorian]

Not many people realize how many women in South Africa are raped... its a ridiculous number... If you read about the stories, hear the statistics, and talk to a few people from SA... I think you'll say this is a pretty damn good idea.

Call me heartless, but I've read the stories and heard the statistics, and I still think this is a petty damn moronic idea. Even female FEMINISTS think that way.

[koku]

Not many people realize how many women in South Africa are raped... its a ridiculous number... If you read about the stories, hear the statistics, and talk to a few people from SA... I think you'll say this is a pretty damn good idea.


hmmm good idea until this happens to the rapist and he beats the hell out of her for doing it.



hmmmm also a good idea until a jelous ex girlfriend wants to get back at a boyfriend who cheated on her or just left her.


either way, this will be abused.

And the women that use it, they will get abused.


What do you honestly think a guy would do if you did this to him?? Unless it knocked him the hell out....you really think he'll get up and leave?

Plus, i've seen this news twice, wouldn't rapist just start checking first? And if the female does have one on, once again He's going to be very angry.


I think there could have been better ways to solve this.

[Sedated]

I don't think it will help. The only thing it might do, his help prevent the girl from getting a disease, which a normal condom would do. A man would feel the barbs from this thing before he was all the way in. No matter what "pain" he would be in, he would definitely be enraged and would inflict much more harm. The anger from it would probably numb him for a while at least. There's also the side of it where the woman has to buy these and get a new one every day. That's ALOT of money spent for it. Then there's the uncomfortable time each morning where she has to put it in. Is there an easy way to get it out? If there is, the rapist will know about it too. If there isn't then she certainly won't like to use it. In the mindset of the rapists, they'd probably beat the women to near death just to spite. This isn't a good approach at all. The only safe way to get themselves some protection is to never let themselves be vulnerable. Don't travel alone. Don't walk around alone at night. No matter how tough they think they are, and no matter what belt they got in karate it's a false sense of safety. I don't know if carrying guns is a good idea either because too many people don't really know how to handle them. It's one thing if they register it and get all of the permits and training for it but most people just wouldn't do all of that.

[Snake eyeS]

how can you even discuss this topic without almost feeling the pain in your groin?

damn, makes me ill thinking about it.

but something needs to be done about rapists, but not something a girl can abuse for her own agenda(getting back at an boyfriend for cheating etc)

[BluZytrix]

I have to agree that this isn't the smartest of ideas, but I'm sure it would work for some really stupid rapests. I don't believe that abuse would continue if this were to acutally work. If it has to be removed via surgery, then I'm sure that if the woman reached down and pulled on that thing or kicked at it, he would stop. I sure as hell would stop with a sharp pointy object in my penis. Acutally, this kind of a reminds me of an old torture method where the man would get a glass tube inserted and then they would break it.

[Hass]

this is for like retarded woman who want to get rapped
also for girlfriends who think their boyfriends are cheating

[scan2001]

I don't think women want to get rape.

[Citizen]

This idea is moronic, plain and simple.

What we really need to do is start putting much more time and money into educating the Africans, instead of wasting time and money coming up with one idotic and ineffective idea after another to lessen the African AIDS problem. Throwing money at a problem isn't how you solve things. If it was, Africa would be in good shape right now.

Giving them shit, inventing stupid crap for them to use, and marketing things to them that they can't afford doesn't work, yet very few people seem to realize this. Too many people have been lured in by the capitalistic "Send them some money and food and they'll be OK." and bleeding heart "Send little Jimmy ten cents a day and Africa will be saved." bullshit mentalities that nothing ever gets fixed.

If we don't educate Africa about crime, viruses and diseases, schools, farming, etc., so that they can help themselves, nothing will change, and as fast as AIDS is spreading, they might not even survive.

Everytime we throw food, money, and stupid ideas at them without actually teaching them anything and then pull back thinking that they will be OK, they go right back to where they started, and then we start all over again. It's pathetic.

[setrict]

Terrible idea.

Things must really be a mess down there, to resort to extreme solutions. Check out the defense against car-jacking:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/

[Kusoyaro]

dont we already have this thread?

[paul]

I think both cases are more for deterring people from committing those crimes rather than actually serving their functions.
Its more like: there are defences now, so watch yourself.

But I think it will lead to escalation. There are always ways around these things

[koku]

one could argue the US or other nations aren't really trying to help africa rise.

One could argue didn't say it's true. But we've helped other nations start from scratch, how long have we 'tried' to help Africa?

OK, I should stop there, I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Stephy]

one could argue the US or other nations aren't really trying to help africa rise.

One could argue didn't say it's true. But we've helped other nations start from scratch, how long have we 'tried' to help Africa?

OK, I should stop there, I don't know what I'm talking about.

I don't know what your talking about either, you just seem to be changing the topic, although your opinions may be right.

Like others have stated, I think it's a terrible solution to the problem. This won't solve much. It could in the end cause/and or/ add to the problem. Like abusing this new "condom" and so on.

[Anubis Nine]

Why don't they come up with a self insert condom that stays there that *doesn't* have barbs? So that a woman can wear it and if she gets raped she can wait till it's over, get away relatively unharmed and not have a disease or a child from it?

[dillzman]

I don't think it will work so well. That is an area of the man where only good things should happen. If bad things happen, for example, a women being attacked on the street and kicks him in the nuts, he will hurt her or kill her. I do think something should be done to lower rapes... but I think their should be a better way then this. More thinking needs to be done about this.

Dillon

[Ahimsa]

Why don't they come up with a self insert condom that stays there that *doesn't* have barbs? So that a woman can wear it and if she gets raped she can wait till it's over, get away relatively unharmed and not have a disease or a child from it?


I think both Rapex and the unbarbed condom are a bad idea. Rather than working to find a solution at the root of the problem, they are condoning this behavior by creating these stupid devices. Perhaps more time and effort should be placed in creating a better law enforcement and protection agency and in educating womem and teaching them self-defence mechansims. As to the quote above about women getting "away relatively unharmed" ... errrr, have you thought about her psychological trauma, and the constant fear that she must live under? That she must wear this ridiculuous contraption at all times because her own government cannot stop nor protect her from being raped? .....sigh...... Maybe better yet, they can come up with an anti-erectile device for men, to prevent them from getting unauthorized erections! Yeah, ridiculous, isn't it? And so is this Rapex condom.

[akitaka]

^I'm agreeing with this, though I understand that it would take a lot of times and some generations of kids to reform for the better.

U.S. sending aid to Africa is something I feel very ambivalent about; it's like the saying, "give a kid some fish, and he'll have food for a day. Teach the kid to fish, and he'll have food for a lifetime". This is really no different; unless a woman feels enough survivalism in herself to learn how to fight back, there's really no point. The same for men; they have to know that in a society, libido cannot go running amok, 'just because'.
In the end, however, it's up to the leaders to decide as to wether they will get off of their pampered asses and dig in the mud alongside their people. (points to Ahimsa's sig)

[erbiumfiber]

I think part of the rape problem is a belief among many that if you have sex with a virgin, it will cure you of HIV. I know this belief is a serious problem in some parts of Africa, not sure about South Africa in particular...

[Annorax]

I know this has been posted a billion times before, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Rapex is the worst idea ever. Fifty bucks on it being used more for revenge than rape deterrent. Hell, if that's freely available, I can honestly see it being used as a "scorched earth" breakup. "Get out of my life. Like that feeling, you son of a bitch? You're gonna deal with it for the rest of your life." (then she pulls him out and kicks him in the nuts for good measure)

[Tssss..]

eh.......i think repeat rapists should be castrated. i think that should be enough of a deterrent. and they'll deserve it if they've been convicted twice or more.

[Cybren]

Are you people kidding? Inflict furthur violence? With barbs in his erect penis?
I have a feeling the people saying it's inneffective are males, as my first instinct was to hate it as well. After all, I have a penis! What if one of those tries to attack it!?
oh well, here's to not raping people!

[Arvynia]

Why don't they come up with a self insert condom that stays there that *doesn't* have barbs? So that a woman can wear it and if she gets raped she can wait till it's over, get away relatively unharmed and not have a disease or a child from it?


Wow... wear a condom and let the men rape you = low risk of diseases and pregnancies?

That. Is so inhuman.

I can't even think of anything to say regarding that statement. It's like... getting raped is NORMAL.

*sigh* This is an issue not easily solved.

But aside that, I am against the Rapex method. First of all - unless it happens to a female regularly - you never know when someone's going to force themselves upon you. You can't really be expected to wear it all the time. Second, it'll end up being more of a hassle, as someone mentioned before.

I think that perhaps there should be ... er, what do you call that, a brothel house for these men to indulge in their... urges. I mean, if you're gonna go and freak a woman, don't do it to random women/girls who don't want it. And, it should be paid by the government. Or something.

[l337m45t3r]

Watches the rate of anal rape skyrocket. Idiots.

[Deadhead]

I wonder what the conversation was like....

Inventor: Rape sure happens alot here is africa
Random Guy: Yeah, I wish we could stop that
Inventor: You know what would really help rape victims? if they had a way to enrage their attacker!
Random Guy: Yeah, thats a great idea.

Listen, I think its pretty obvious that this condom is gonna really hurt an attacker. But its hardly going to disable him. I dunno, If I was a woman I would rather not wear one, get raped, and take it than wear one and be beat to death after it works.

Arvynia: I dont think that 'wear a condom and let men rape you' is a very accurate assesment. Rape is a much bigger issue in Africa than it is in the U.S., and it happens alot more their. I think wearing the condom would be more along the lines of 'wear the condom so that when you are raped you wont get AIDS'

[Arvynia]

I suppose you got a point. :) I almost think it's hopeless. It's not like these men doing the deed think about spreading the disease. Again, does that mean women and children must wear condoms all the time? This topic gives me a headache because I don't know where to stand.

[Deadhead]

I dunno, I dont think there will ever been a day when women and children will all be wearing defense condoms in all their orifices.

But this might be a good idea for Africa. It is so fucked up over there.
Alot of times the rape isnt even about sex, its revenge, or just boredom (they dont have a whole ton of respect for women in alot of those places, FGM and all).

I dunno, there are days when I think that carpet bombing africa so that not a creature more advanced than a cockroache survives would improve the situation

[Praetorian]

Are you people kidding? Inflict furthur violence? With barbs in his erect penis?
I have a feeling the people saying it's inneffective are males, as my first instinct was to hate it as well. After all, I have a penis! What if one of those tries to attack it!?
oh well, here's to not raping people!


Try to think outside the box, like so many others have.

[DaQuestioner]

But this might be a good idea for Africa. It is so fucked up over there.
Alot of times the rape isnt even about sex, its revenge, or just boredom (they dont have a whole ton of respect for women in alot of those places, FGM and all).

I dunno, there are days when I think that carpet bombing africa so that not a creature more advanced than a cockroache survives would improve the situation


Uhhh, guys? It's only SOUTH AFRICA we're talking about here. Only 1 country out of like say, over 40!

If you're not intimately knowledgeable about circumstances in every single African country, from Egypt to Senegal to Mauritania to Madagascar to Kenya to Namibia to Nigeria to South Africa, etc, it'd be better to refrain from any continent-wide generalizations. For intellectual cogency. :)

[Praetorian]

Yes it's like saying;

"Those damn dog-eaters over in Asia!" or "Can those North Americans stop thinking about hockey for a change?"

[Arvynia]

I thought it was a given that we were discussing those areas where it was most significant.

[Mojinr]

Okay... question, what does the Rapex condom do besides cause pain and irriate the rapist and effective lock the rapist and the victim together? I mean, if the condom easily slides out of the woman than yeah she can run away in a flash but to me this sounds more like "entrapment" than "prevention" which should be trying to work on in the first place. And unless Rapex is cheap or free then it's going to be abused 75% of the time.

This also completely ignores the fact that most women that are targets for rape usually don't know it until they are raped. Plus this seemingly does nothing for gang rapist as only one guy would get caught then the rest would probably still rape her but now probably kill her too. Plus, once people in general wise up to this alot more rapes will be turned into sodomizing or just check for the Rapex with their fingers. In the end, it would more effective to use basic kicks to groin or a gun than this I think.

[Moe]

I dunno, I dont think there will ever been a day when women and children will all be wearing defense condoms in all their orifices.

But this might be a good idea for Africa. It is so fucked up over there.
Alot of times the rape isnt even about sex, its revenge, or just boredom (they dont have a whole ton of respect for women in alot of those places, FGM and all).

I dunno, there are days when I think that carpet bombing africa so that not a creature more advanced than a cockroache survives would improve the situation
I just spent a good 45 minutes writing a long ass well informed post in response to that, then, F***ing IE froze on me. :mad:

[Dana]

I am not saying this is a good idea, this rapex thing. Not saying its a bad idea either, I don't know the situation in SA well enough to really have an opinion. All I know is that I'd rather take a beating than get raped any day of the week.

As for the victim not knowing they will be raped until they ARE raped, I would assume the situation in SA is bad enough to warrent women who are venturing alone outside the home to wear one of these things.

[kyaa the catlord]

Question: What is to stop the rapist from being smarter than the antirape condom, notice it and remove it before he inserts? Isn't this just asking for the rapist to up his violence, knock his victim out or immobilize her somehow and check before getting barbed? Also, doesn't the blood from the barbs increase the risk of disease transferrence?

[Sedated]

I would think that it would be enough of a change that a rapist would realize that it's there. This thing is designed assuming that the rapist slid all the way in. Just a little ways inside is plenty of room to know that she has something in there. These would also have to be worn often to give any effect. Despite the hilarity of some guy in a home video getting kicked in the jimmy and falling to the ground, or the punchline in a movie is some guy being totally incapacitated because his stuff was injured, it's not accurate. He won't be blinded just because there are barbs stuck to the skin of his wang. Once he pulls out and the pressure on it is released, the pain will subside at least a little and he will have plenty of opportunity to inflict harm. Even if the pain did not subside, pain in the jimmy does not cause paralysis. Any sort of harm... biting, kicking, cutting will cause anger. These people often get a rush from things like rape and will have adrenaline in their systems, further rendering the effect useless. On the other hand, wait for the rapists themselves to buy these "Rapex" condoms and turn them inside out. I don't even want to know the result of that.

[Cybren]

BARBS. on your PENIS. think about that.

[Loc]

No no no no no. No.

Potential for abuse is too great, I know way too many women/girls who'd use this as a joke, makes me feel sick ;/

Assuming it was brought to our countries of course, doesn't affect me much if it's in South Africa. I guess it'd stop the rapists from ever raping again though, which is good.

Still though, bad idea. They got some crazy defenses against crimes there, flamethrowers on cars and such...surprised there aren't more stories of those going wrong really...

[Kuhool]

fuck, if a man's gonna rape a girl, he deserves to get his shit fucked up.

[Ahimsa]

eh.......i think repeat rapists should be castrated. i think that should be enough of a deterrent. and they'll deserve it if they've been convicted twice or more.




snip snip lol

[GTARob]

While a solid knee to the sack is most certainly incapacitating, it doesn't sound like what the anti rape condom does will be. However, telling a woman not to use it to defend herself against rape becuase the guy might beat her harder for it is assinine. You're dealing with a rapist, all bets are off. Nothing you do justifies any of his actions, tear that fucker up as best you can, go for the eyes, throat, groin, anything. Tear him up.

If one of the ideas of this thing is also to stop diseases like AIDS, I don't think ripping the guys dick open while he's inside of a woman is the best way to do that. Do you?