White people Find....Black People Loot

[Corinthian]

http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530


http://www.anonym.to/?http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1


I dont pull that race card shit, but this is fucked up.



Discuss.

[Anubis Nine]

o.O Oh dear. Either it's a fruedian slip when it comes to racism, or I don't know. It could be in relation to the quantity of items seemingly 'found' or 'looted'. Personally, if I'd survived a hurricane like Katrina and had no food and no prospect of getting food, I'd be looting from a grocery store too. The food would just go bad without refrigeration anyway.

[setrict]

Plenty of discussion on fark.com about that topic. If it was done with racial consideration, it was bad reporting and they should be canned/caned. My personal thought is that New Orleans has a very high african american population (70%), and probably a disproportionate number of poor percentage wise. That would tend to mean that of those unable to evacuate, a huge majority will be african american. (Say maybe 80%-85%).

If reporters took 10 photos of looters, how many do you think would be white?

Black, white, or green. If you're taking more than supplies to help you and your family get through this thing you are a pretty pathetic example of a human being.

[OliveButtercup]

Plenty of discussion on fark.com about that topic. If it was done with racial consideration, it was bad reporting and they should be canned/caned. My personal thought is that New Orleans has a very high african american population (70%), and probably a disproportionate number of poor percentage wise. That would tend to mean that of those unable to evacuate, a huge majority will be african american. (Say maybe 80%-85%).

If reporters took 10 photos of looters, how many do you think would be white?

Black, white, or green. If you're taking more than supplies to help you and your family get through this thing you are a pretty pathetic example of a human being.

Still messed up, whichever way you put it. Looting is what it is, whether you're 'taking' a fucking soda can, or a garbage bag full of them.

[Ahimsa]

:eek: Oh my..... seems biased newscasters have been caught red-handed this time. I always have known most news networks favor middle-class white america, but what we see here is just blatent and wrong. The two sets of people are doing the EXACT same thing, but due to their skin color, one is looting while the other is 'finding.' When will people stop judging based on skin color? sigh

[Anubis Nine]

This could also be in the definition of the word 'looting' as word definitions vary among different people? I don't think they were the same reporter, were they?

[JudoPorkChop]

I wonder if someone might find some statistics somewhere that state black people are n times more likely to loot, so it's okay for the press to do this....

[TygressVirgo]

That is just wrong. It's interesting that this pops up at this time. Last night VH1 did this huge show on the sterotypes we give to races. Really intersting.

One person put it this way "America is just like a big game of tag, it's always someones turn to be it."

[BluZytrix]

Actually, I can see looting in this kind of time. Just think that everything that you had was wiped out. You have no house and have nothing right now. I think me taking jewlery, food and clothes to make me happy when half my family may be dead and I can't return to my home and I've been poor all my life is alright to make me happy for the limited time before reality sets in.

[Anubis Nine]

I think it's more the fact that there's a reason that black people are 'supposedly' more likely to loot.

It's circumstance of living for the masses. Statistically, black people are a little more likely to loot or commit crimes. They're also statisitcally more likely to live in a situation where it would be needed or not frowned upon.

*Rolls eyes*

'Statistically', I should be living on a native reserve, drinking my face off, not having a job, and generally wasting my life because I'm of native origins. Doesn't mean I am.

[Corinthian]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1846/afea3e67b74d67bd53347256d7045a.gif

[General_Admission]

I wonder if someone might find some statistics somewhere that state black people are n times more likely to loot, so it's okay for the press to do this....

Well, people of color are more likely to steal than white people. It would be horrible to say the white people were looting when in fact they really weren't. It's better to be safe and go by the statistics than to say something that isn't true. Plus, I'm sure they asked the white people where they got the goods and white people tend to lie less.

[Anubis Nine]

Mmm. Satire/sarcasm hurts my soul after fleeing from Gaiaonline's crushing stupidity.

[Iekleane]

Well, people of color are more likely to steal than white people. It would be horrible to say the white people were looting when in fact they really weren't. It's better to be safe and go by the statistics than to say something that isn't true. Plus, I'm sure they asked the white people where they got the goods and white people tend to lie less.


Sarcasm is such a grand idea isn't it GA?

[Bobbybirdtree]

I hate all generalizations. (i know, it's intentional)

[General_Admission]

^ yeah, since I've said that I find girls of color to be beautiful. : P

Don't you remember the Racism thread I made in which I denounced it?

I just wanted to tease Judo.

[PiccoloNamek]

A loaf of bread versus a case of diet pepsi garbage bag full of who knows what? I can see why they said he was looting, it does look rather suspicious.

[Anubis Nine]

There were people carrying around whatever posessions they had left I'll point out. Why is it assumed that the garbage bag is 'looted' goods?

[setrict]

I still don't think it was racist, or intended to be. I also thing 'crying wolf' hurts the cause.

Look carefully at the pictures and the story.

The first indicates a 'looter'. The second indicates a 'finder'

The first is from AP. The second is from AFP.

The story/pictures were from two different organizations. AP=Associated Press, AFP = Agence France-Presse.

Who is to say that the reporter from the AP might not have described the second photo as a 'looter'. Same goes with the AFP reporter. Had their source been picture number one, they very well might have also label it as a 'finder'.

Are we now claiming racism based on differences in descriptive language between two different journalists working for two different organizations. Think people!

We have enough problems without inventing more. I'm not disagreeing that there is a gender and racial bias in the media, I think that's a definite truth. I do think that spouting racism without thinking does more harm than good, especially when there are so many REAL instances of racism and discrimination that we can focus on fixing.

[erbiumfiber]

Apparently (from what I saw on CNN today) there was also plenty of looting/finding going on in predominently white (from what I could see) communities on the Gulf Coast in Mississippi.

Then they interview the head of FEMA who says 5 DAYS IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO WAIT FOR RELIEF.

WTF? It was known this hurricane was going to hit somewhere in LA/Miss. since AT LEAST Saturday. What ever happened to advanced preparedness- they could have staged relief goods inland in those states. You can't live without water for 5 DAYS. And they just NOW are sending the hospital ship to the Gulf? It'll get there in a week. Hold on Grandma, your dialysis is coming...

I am really shocked at the lateness of the response. As someone else said earlier, I would be looting a supermarket too to save myself.

[Treayn]

Wow they can't bring goods/relief in fast enough, but they can bring in helicopters just to take pictures of people and stereotype them, all in a few hours flight. Retarded.

[Marblehead]

Anybody who says looting is wrong in this situation is a fucking moron. Any of you that think differently can go starve and dehydrate for a week. Tell me how much you like it after one day, let alone five!

[BluZytrix]

Anybody who says looting is wrong in this situation is a fucking moron. Any of you that think differently can go starve and dehydrate for a week. Tell me how much you like it after one day, let alone five!

That is the most beautiful thing that I have heard all day. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with our society when we are so fuckin concerened about whether or not blacks and whites are looting when an area of our country is drowning, dead people are floating down the street and its getting worse? Sometimes I don't even know what country I'm living in.

[setrict]

Forgive me if I'm being offensive here, but this kinda stuff ticks me off. What is it with some people who have to have an enemy in every situation. This is a tragic event, but all this peripheral BS isn't helping things.

Wow they can't bring goods/relief in fast enough, but they can bring in helicopters just to take pictures of people and stereotype them, all in a few hours flight. Retarded

Ok, under the assumption that the media is in their own choppers and not riding along with rescue workers/spotters. Do you think a normal helicopter is going to do much good in this situation? Very limited weight capacity, no distribution mechanisms, no rescue equipment. What are they going to do? The reporting they do is a major factor in prompting nationwide sympathy, and encouraging donations of time, money, and blood to AID these people. Their actions will probably save as many lives as the rescue choppers.

What ever happened to advanced preparedness- they could have staged relief goods inland in those states. You can't live without water for 5 DAYS. And they just NOW are sending the hospital ship to the Gulf?

WTF happened to personal responsibility. I realize there are exceptions, but you say the gov't had several DAYS to prepare - so did the people! Food and water were available to loot from the stores, so apparently there wasn't a supply problem. A gallon of drinking water costs less than a buck at a grocery store (and can float), so what's the excuse? It's one hell of a lot more efficient for the people that CAN take care of themselves to do so, and let the rescue workers do the best they can to help those that can't. New Orleans got off BETTER than predicted, if anything people should have been over-prepared.

All that being said, of course they should loot food/water all they want if it will save lives. If I had no food or water, I'd be doing it too. Anyone who says otherwise is a cold hearted bastard. On the other hand, if someones looting jewelry, TVs, etc - they better be planning to eat it.

[TygressVirgo]

WTF happened to personal responsibility. I realize there are exceptions, but you say the gov't had several DAYS to prepare - so did the people! Food and water were available to loot from the stores, so apparently there wasn't a supply problem. A gallon of drinking water costs less than a buck at a grocery store (and can float), so what's the excuse? It's one hell of a lot more efficient for the people that CAN take care of themselves to do so, and let the rescue workers do the best they can to help those that can't. New Orleans got off BETTER than predicted, if anything people should have been over-prepared.

All that being said, of course they should loot food/water all they want if it will save lives. If I had no food or water, I'd be doing it too. Anyone who says otherwise is a cold hearted bastard. On the other hand, if someones looting jewelry, TVs, etc - they better be planning to eat it.

I-couldn't-agree-with-you-more.--If-you-know-that-a-strom-is-coming-prepare-for-it-as-best-as-you-can.--I-couldn't-stress-the-importance-of-being-prepared-for-this-or-anything-else.--If-you-can-at-least-get-the-basics,-than-you-will-be-able-to-get-through-a-situation-like-this.

(sidenote-the-computer-that-i'm-on,-it's-keyboard's-space-bar-doesn't-work,-sorry)

[AgentOrange]

I really love how CNN keeps replaying the same footage of people looting. It seems like every time people see it they add +1 to the 'Black People Are Looting' counter. This is some bullshit. People taking food and water to survive is not looting. You don't see any of them carrying big screen TV's or looting Best Buy do you?

[koku]

I thought you already knew this fact. C'mon people, let's move on.

[eyez0nme]

Haha! that mpeg, was nice Cornithian. You from SHH Forums, huh?

[Treayn]

Forgive me if I'm being offensive here, but this kinda stuff ticks me off. What is it with some people who have to have an enemy in every situation. This is a tragic event, but all this peripheral BS isn't helping things.

Ok, under the assumption that the media is in their own choppers and not riding along with rescue workers/spotters. Do you think a normal helicopter is going to do much good in this situation? Very limited weight capacity, no distribution mechanisms, no rescue equipment. What are they going to do? The reporting they do is a major factor in prompting nationwide sympathy, and encouraging donations of time, money, and blood to AID these people. Their actions will probably save as many lives as the rescue choppers.


Taking pictures of this tragedy will promote sympathy and donations. I didn't say anything was wrong about that. Everyone knows that's a good thing.

Putting in words that ignite hate for no reason whatsoever, however, doesn't sit well with me.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

The people who took pictures of them "looting" is a complete idiot. Why not just fly your chopper down there and HELP the poor guy?!

[MajorProblem]

Many people didn't know it was going to be this bad, and while it is bad that it took this long and they didn't prepare, hospital ships can't just immediately sail off to the rescue. They have to call in the crew and load tons of supplies which does, in fact, take time. Helicopter crews are much smaller and were much more prepared for this situation, along with being relatively nearby.

[MajorProblem]

The people who took pictures of them "looting" is a complete idiot. Why not just fly your chopper down there and HELP the poor guy?!
A helicopter cannot go that low without being in HUGE amounts of danger. they would have to get within a couple feet of the water and stay still which requires an amount of skill and most pilots cannot do this safely. Also, hovering takes much more fuel, decreasing range (they probably are already at their halfway point in flight). Plus, pulling a person onboard could cause the helicopter to become unbalanced if it's light enough.

Note: sorry for double post, just had to say this.

[erbiumfiber]

OK, let's say EVER SINGLE PERSON in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast part of Mississippi evacuated. Like they STILL WOULDN'T NEED RELIEF SUPPLIES???
A Cat. 5 storm is headed right for your country. You are the government. You can:

A. Wait until the storm is over and assess the situation to death
B. Move goods and personnel over the course of several days to within a few hours' drive of where they will be needed (we knew since Friday or Saturday where approximately it would hit).

Well, our government clearly chose A and I think that's pretty lame. I have lived through a few hurricanes (no evacuation order) and been without electricity for 5-7 days (when our water was supplied by an electric pump) with no relief from the outside. Nothing like walking down to the lake with a bucket to fill the toilet tank so you can flush...swimming also is a great bathing technique- thank god hurricanes happen in the warm weather...

We live (umm, except for me- edit) in the wealthiest nation on the planet. Relief came faster for the victims of the tsunami than it did for these people.

And what if the government was wrong and had food and water and personnel in place and the storm was a wimpy Cat. 2? Yeah, extra cost of moving said supplies but better to err on the side of caution.

We can do better.

[Trump]

Well, our government clearly chose A and I think that's pretty lame.
Oh, please... statements like that just make me angry. Do you think they didn't have supplies around? They clearly had enough food and water to feed the THOUSANDS of people staying in the superdome for what... 5 days now? And I know for a fact that utility companies were working on plans for recovery from the moment they had a idea where it was going to make landfall.

I heard over 1 million people evacuated the area. You don't just pull food and water for that many people out of your ass. It takes a lot of time to accumlate that many supplies and you still really only have a few days warning for hurricanes.

I don't think you truly understand the magnitude of this disaster.

[sir_g]

Plus, I'm sure they asked the white people where they got the goods and white people tend to lie less.

And we already got a name for it: black-man lies

[Sedated]

Are they from the same news source? I didn't look closely but I don't think so. It could be that what one reporter calls looting, another would see them as trying to survive.

[Unactuality]

That is exactly the case, as someone previously posted.

One is from a French press agency, the other from the AP.

[erbiumfiber]

...I heard over 1 million people evacuated the area. You don't just pull food and water for that many people out of your ass. It takes a lot of time to accumlate that many supplies and you still really only have a few days warning for hurricanes...

All the more reason to start the staging process early, Friday or Saturday.

People brought THEIR OWN food to the Superdome- that's what they were told to do by the authorities. They are totally out of supplies now and it's been how many days?

I see people on CNN picking through the garbage right now in Mississippi...CNN is openly criticizing the reaction of the government and they're not usually that outspoken...

[eyez0nme]

8/31/2005 4:40:00 PM * To: National Desk * Contact: Myrna Shinbaum of Anti-Defamation League, 212-885-7747

NEW YORK, Aug. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- While Americans around the country watched in sympathy and horror as Hurricane Katrina devastated southern Louisiana and Mississippi, there were some who looked on with a grim satisfaction borne of implacable hatred. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) found hundreds of bigoted messages on white supremacist and anti-Semitic Web sites across the Internet expressing hatred rather than compassion. Though some white supremacists expressed concern for white victims of the hurricane, overwhelmingly reaction of the racists and anti-Semites was one of derision and even glee for the hundreds of thousands of African-American and other non-white victims.

Realizing that Louisiana and Mississippi have huge non-white populations, the bigots expressed hope that the hurricane would be deadly and "cleanse" the areas hit. Employing classical anti-Semitic canards, they claimed that Jews would seek to benefit from the devastation and that Jewish control of the media skewed the reporting of the hurricane.

"Once again, the racists and anti-Semites are exploiting a tragedy of great proportion and one that binds the nation to spew their hatred and seek to divide the nation," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "While they may be small in number, their reach through the Internet is of great concern. Their messages of hate must be countered by the good words of good people."

Hoping for Genocide:

As Hurricane Katrina made its way across the Gulf of Mexico, heading for a Louisiana landfall, white supremacists speculated on its possible effects. Many, realizing that over two-thirds of New Orleans residents were African-American, hoped that the hurricane would be deadly:

-- "It almost appears to me that the hand of gods (sic) is reaching down to smite the Southern Babylon."

-- "I'm of the opinion that Mother Nature would be doing everybody a favor by cleansing the inner city."

-- "It would be great if all the Whites could be evacuated and they could leave the groids/muds behind but we know that won't happen. The best we can hope for is that the best architecture stands and the casualties keep the n----r funeral homes busy."

Wishes for mass casualties became common among white supremacists as the hurricane approached:

-- "Let us bow our heads and pray together that half the jig population of New Orleans stayed behind to do some lootin' and this one finishes them all off. And Lord, let's hope all the ******s in the French Quarters stay as well."

-- Another poster was quick to add, "Don't forget the jews, dotheads, and latrines that have infested N.O. like the termites invasion they have been having."

Other comments included the following:

-- "Let us pray and pray hard that nature's ethnic cleansing takes place."

-- "Mother Nature is a ***** and I don't have a problem with that at all. Especially when it leads to the possible culling of species detrimental to my race and country."

-- "For real excitement, imagine New Awleenz after that Category 5 n----r-killer hitz, oh baby, the stench!"

-- "They should pile up all the n-----s and use them as human sand bags against the rising storm surge."

-- "Too bad there wasn't an NAACP and LaRaza convention there this weekend."

-- "That's why Hurricane Katrina needs to wipe out the French Quarter and every ****** in it, along with the rest of that n----r-infested city."

-- "Nature is washing the city out and if every n----r, fag, fruitloop and Third World POS drowned today, the country would be better off."

When mass deaths did not occur, white supremacists expressed disappointment. "8,000 n----s piled into a football stadium and God has his one chance to throw a hurricane at them and misses," complained one member of the neo-Nazi group White Revolution.

Anti-Semitism Blaming the Jews

Inevitably, issues of anti-Semitism entered into white supremacist discussions of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath. Some white supremacists went so far as to blame the hurricane's destruction on Israel: "If Bush hadn't stolen the levee building money to give tax breaks to the rich, and to fight Israel's wars for them, this may well enough not have happened."

Many white supremacists claimed that Jews were controlling the media's reporting on the hurricane. "It's sickening," wrote one Maryland poster to the neo-Nazi forum Stormfront, "to hear the Jew media put their spin on stories like this, using their 'Goyim' newscaster."

Others asserted Jews would soon profit from the destruction:

-- "Anyone want to bet that the next thing you will see are jew lawyers suing businesses, governments, etc., blaming them for not properly protecting some from harm from the hurricane?"

-- "Let me guess, an obese n----r woman will eat some week old meat with E-coli that she looted from a grocery store. She will get sick and then find a Jew attorney to sue the store."

-- "F----n' kike speculators are already makin' a bundle on this!"

Some white supremacists used the hurricane to make comparisons between African-Americans and Jews:

--"This New Orleans Hurricane Katrina is a classic example of true opportunistic n----r behavior (maybe that's why jews like n----s to much, they are both opportunistic parasites, the n----s are just ignorant version of jews)."

-- "Whites are gentlemen humans with honor and virtue. N-----s are savage, predatory animals. That said, Jews are a highly advanced form of n----."

Ridiculing the Victims

After the hurricane hit, white supremacists were quick to express concern for fellow racists who might have been caught in the storm's fury. One racist wished another well: "Good luck and bless you, your family, and even your dogs." A poster to the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Net VNN) forum wrote that "my heart goes out to those good salt-of-the-earth southern White folk who will be hurt by this disaster."

They were also quick to express a desire to come to the aid of fellow white supremacists, such as former Klansman David Duke, whose house in Mandevelle was damaged by the hurricane and whose family home was flooded (Duke himself was in Eastern Europe when the hurricane hit).

Some racists wanted to offer assistance to hurricane victims, but were afraid that their money might actually aid non-whites:

-- "Wouldn't any donation only go to the blacks and hispanics? I personally would like a guarantee that my donation would go to WHITES ONLY."

-- A Portland, Oregon, white supremacist agreed, posting to the Resistance Records message board that they should not "feel sympathy for the black scum that is stealing from New Orleans and send them aid; rather we should feel sorry for our own race and culture."

However, there was no sympathy in their hearts for non-white victims of the hurricane. "I am so sick of hearing white people say that they feel sorry for these n--s," posted one Florida white supremacist to Stormfront. "That's what I have been hearing since this hurricane hit."

Others agreed. "What's amazing to me," wrote one Stormfront regular, "is that their (biological) urge to commit crime was so strong that they were stupid enough to risk their own lives by staying around in New Orleans." Many white supremacists claimed that looting in New Orleans was proof that African-Americans were savage and subhuman.

Instead of wishing to help the victims, some white supremacists wanted to kill them. "Oh, to be in NO with a powerboat and a high powered rifle," wrote one VNN poster, "Good thing I'm not on rescue there. I'd wave at the n----s and keep on going. It isn't like they'll swim and catch you. According to news I am hearing, water is still rising there due to large breach in levee. Hopefully, there will be thousands of bloated jigs floating when this is all over."

White people, wrote one white supremacist on VNN, "are running around trying to save everything, including stupid, useless n-----s...We need ethnic cleansing on a massive scale in this country. F--k sending them back to Africa, we should just sweep them into the sea. Sharks gotta eat too."
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=52383

[setrict]

That post literally made me cry, realizing how much hate there is still left in the world. It's sickening.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

See, this is why I don't like America and their bigotry.

And I do not mean to offend others who're not doing this shit.

[JustTooCrazy]

look what somebody made

http://yahooracists.ytmnd.com/

lol

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

lol

SHE'S A WITCH!!

[JustTooCrazy]

whao, the music from http://yahooracists.ytmnd.com/ goes well with Vocabs avatar.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

whao, the music from http://yahooracists.ytmnd.com/ goes well with Vocabs avatar.

You serious?! :D:D:D

[JustTooCrazy]

oh wow, this is pretty bad.... http://katrinaninja.ytmnd.com/

along with this : http://notlooting.ytmnd.com/

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

I actually laughed at the "Katrina Plays Tetris" one. God I'm going to hell.

These people are getting more and more ignorant, that one, JustTooCrazy, was the last straw.

Edit: By the way, here's the Tetris One. (http://tetriskatrina.ytmnd.com/)

[JustTooCrazy]

hey hey, i didnt make those i just found them. i just thought it related to the thread. and yea the tetris one was sadly funny.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

hey hey, i didnt make those i just found them. i just thought it related to the thread. and yea the tetris one was sadly funny.

I don't blame you, but let's stop posting up YTMND's for now. :)

[Roxie]

WTF happened to personal responsibility. I realize there are exceptions, but you say the gov't had several DAYS to prepare - so did the people! Food and water were available to loot from the stores, so apparently there wasn't a supply problem. A gallon of drinking water costs less than a buck at a grocery store (and can float), so what's the excuse? It's one hell of a lot more efficient for the people that CAN take care of themselves to do so, and let the rescue workers do the best they can to help those that can't. New Orleans got off BETTER than predicted, if anything people should have been over-prepared.

>_<

It must hurt to be that sheltered.

Everyone who could get out, did.
LA has quite a nice sized poor and living-check-to-check population. There are people, believe it or not, who could not AFFORD to get out or "properly" supply themselves. There are people who DID, but lost it all, thanks to the immense flooding. Things aren't exactly calm in hurricane. Things, people, hell even places, tend to not stay still.

The people that could take care of themselves DID do so.

[stillbornsinger]

See, this is why I don't like America and their bigotry.

And I do not mean to offend others who're not doing this shit.

America and their bigotry... I know you perhaps have a little bit of a warped sense of what America is really like based on what you've seen in the media but really the average American isn't really like that...

In fact, whoever originally made these statements are class A asshats still living in the 60's. If a hurricane hit their trailor park and wiped them out, I wouldn't feel any loss.

So, vocab, what country are you from? I'm sure I can find some crazy quotes from an extremest there...

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

America and their bigotry... I know you perhaps have a little bit of a warped sense of what America is really like based on what you've seen in the media but really the average American isn't really like that...

In fact, whoever originally made these statements are class A asshats still living in the 60's. If a hurricane hit their trailor park and wiped them out, I wouldn't feel any loss.

So, vocab, what country are you from? I'm sure I can find some crazy quotes from an extremest there...

I'm from Canada. Yeah, I apologize if I was being a bit too extreme about America, but I just really hate History, mostly being America's White-Supremist Acts and the KKK. I act like I'm part of the Black Panthers, don't I? :D

[Dana]

well from what i have see canada definitely has its share of bigotry *cough*american indians*cough*. every country does. it sucks.

[Roxie]

anyone hear about the convention center that's about 8 blocks away from the superdome?

Apparently there's about 2,000 ppl with NO food and NO water. There are dead bodies that no one has removed and a 10 yr old girl has been raped. The place has been completely neglected.

NPR Reports (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2)

[stillbornsinger]

Hey, I don't have any love for those bastards either... nor does the majority of the American people. The US is a big place with a huge population and more subcultures than I could ever imagine, we're bound to have our idiots here and there.

Racism, sexism, homophobia, and all that other crap doesn't really have a place in this world, but unfortunantly we have to deal with it. I don't think articles like the original poster posted help very much and that general mentality that the original poster started this thread with I think can be just as dangerous as to perpetuate racism.

I would give the writers of this article the benifit of a doubt in this case though, perhaps if it was the same reporter or even the same news agency then I'd give a little more credit to the statement that race was an issue in the articles but I just really don't think that is the case here.

[ShadowDeth]

Hey, I don't have any love for those bastards either... nor does the majority of the American people. The US is a big place with a huge population and more subcultures than I could ever imagine, we're bound to have our idiots here and there.


Correct. I always enjoy when people who aren't from america, or who haven't ever lived here tell me how people act.

[Sedated]

That is exactly the case, as someone previously posted.

One is from a French press agency, the other from the AP.


Sorry, I didn't take the time to read every post, some people are long winded. Also, it's not true that everyone who could get out did. Are we to assume that "Fats Domino" was unable to get out? Of all the stories I've heard on the news every one sounds similar to this: "I pleaded and pleaded with <insert name of loved one here> to leave but they said "Nope, I'll ride it out... we rode out the others... Don't worry about it my house is sturdy, I'll be fine". I'm sure there are plenty of people who couldn't leave for whatever reason, but I have yet to hear someone crying on the news saying anything else.

[Roxie]

from www.snopes.com

Many viewers noticed the seeming disparity of the darker-skinned subject's being described in the accompanying caption as "looting a grocery store," while the lighter-skinned subjects were described as "finding bread and soda from a local grocery store." Are these captions evidence of a subtle (or overt) racial prejudice in the news media?

It's difficult to draw any substantiated conclusions from these photographs' captions. Although they were both carried by many news outlets, they were taken by two different photographers and came from two different services, Associated Press (AP) and Getty Images via Agence France-Presse (AFP). These services may have different stylistic standards for how they caption photographs, or the dissimilar wordings may have been due to nothing more than the preferences of different photographers and editors, or the difference might be the coincidental result of a desire to avoid repetitive wording (similar photographs from the same news services variously describe the depicted actions as "looting," "raiding," "taking," "finding," and "making off"). The viewer also isn't privy to the contexts in which the photographs were taken — it's possible that in one case the photographer actually saw his subject exiting an unattended grocery store with an armful of goods, while in the other case the photographer came upon his subjects with supplies in hand and could only make assumptions about how they obtained them.

A Salon article on the photographs by Aaron Kinney suggests the captions were a result of a combination of contexual and stylistic differences:
Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."

Regarding the AFP/Getty "finding" photo by [photographer Chris] Graythen, Getty spokeswoman Bridget Russel said, "This is obviously a big tragedy down there, so we're being careful with how we credit these photos." Russel said that Graythen had discussed the image in question with his editor and that if Graythen didn't witness the two people in the image in the act of looting, then he couldn't say they were looting.
The photographer who took the Getty/AFP picture, Chris Graythen, also posted the reasons behind his caption:
I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water — we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow.

[JustTooCrazy]

SNIP
My eyes, they burn... Why must you make it so damn hard to read?

[Roxie]

use the black skin.

[Pfalzer]

United States was founded on Bigotrys back its nto goign to leave for awhile not until it proves useless.

[Roxie]

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/629.html

They are so poor, and so black...



Fucking eh, CNN.

[Kaji]

Technically what's going on is looting, in both cases. Hence I don't see the problem with it since they came from two different agencies entirely (besides, the white one was taken by a French agency, so wouldn't it be French racism as opposed to American racism if all looters are being called looters?). Don't get me wrong, I support people taking what they need to survive in a catastrophe like this, but when we get to the point where it's taboo to call a spade a spade there's something wrong.

Seriously, the only reason this is an issue at all is because the two pictures happened to appear on the same page side-by-side and someone got something up his ass about it.

[setrict]

was taken by a French agency, so wouldn't it be French racism

http://www.nascentdigital.com/files/target_black.jpg

And Target is a French company.... coincidence? I think not. :p