Plastic surgery is cheating you bastards...

[SDSUMarcus01]

I work out a lot in an effort to look good. These lazy bastards go out and pay for surgery. Bah. I have natural doublelids... and they go off and create them. These people just need to work out and eat healthy.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020805/story.html

[Alphonse v.2]

Fake beauty is better then the ugly truth.

[O-Matic]

No, it's not!

You are cheating the evolution, dude!
If you are unhealthy and look unhealthy you should not cheat to spread you sick dna² in the healthy people's gene pool...

It's hard but that's the way it alway was.

Ok, maybe there is something more to it...If you are unhealthy but beutyfull it's cheating too...

[Alphonse v.2]

Well see, there IS evolution in that, if you have no morals, and get plastic surgery, you will be able to spread your DNA which will make your kids immoral. And then your kids could proceed on doing immoral jobs, making lots of money since no one else would take those jobs. And then in the future we will have lots of immoral lieing scum bags, which we will have anyway. So it really doesn't matter.

[Collapse]

Seems to me you're just envious and jealous because they can shortcut things in which you take copious amounts of time working on.

It doesn't matter to me either way. Your children won't look good as you even if you have plastic surgery and besides, you'll grow old anyway and lose all of that. For me, it's just a fruitless effort.

[mawande]

I'll go check out the URL, but there is something you probably haven't thought about in your rant. Plastic surgery can take away the fat, but it can't build muscle or improve your over-all physical strength, except in the cases where a physical problem is in your way.

Ah. Now that I have read the article, I see what's getting you. But why should it be a big deal to you that some people are getting their eyes, noses or chins and whatever changed? I am so glad that I don't suffer the mental problems that would cause me to do that.

[El_CJ]

Meh, I say. Most people who get cosmetic surgery (that I've met at least) have a bad tendancy of getting 'too much' and then looking ridiculous.

[Druid]

Joan Rivers *snicker*

[wimmpy]

I don't mind cosemetic surgery, but when they start adding muscle that is when things get wierd. They should just work out like most people to get in better shape and you won't feel like you cheated.

Oh, yeah here is a link to site decated to plastic surgery on famous people. It is rather funny.
http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/

[Jay]

Calm down, Marcus. Remember, plastic surgery is a choice. If they want to go and shove all sorts of stuff into their skin or have it deliberately cut open and stretched, that's their call. But YOU can walk along with pride knowing that people find you attractive just the way you are.

[SDSUMarcus01]

I'll go check out the URL, but there is something you probably haven't thought about in your rant. Plastic surgery can take away the fat, but it can't build muscle or improve your over-all physical strength, except in the cases where a physical problem is in your way.

Ah. Now that I have read the article, I see what's getting you. But why should it be a big deal to you that some people are getting their eyes, noses or chins and whatever changed? I am so glad that I don't suffer the mental problems that would cause me to do that.

*coughs steroids*

[fa11en87]

I think people who are disfigured because of accidents should be able to get surgery if they wanted to...or is that cheating also? Oh and a slight double eyelid can be created with glue ahaha!

[SDSUMarcus01]

I think people who are disfigured because of accidents should be able to get surgery if they wanted to...or is that cheating also? Oh and a slight double eyelid can be created with glue ahaha!

That's different. I'm referring to people who just dish out cash for a surgery that doesn't try to either save their life or fix a functional problem.

[Cherub Rock]

So people shouldn't have plastic surgery because it makes them more attractive and therefore more likely to spread their naturally ugly genes, correct?

Isn't wearing makeup not the exact same thing? It makes you more attractive than you really are. How about working out? Those muscles you worked so hard for are not naturally yours. You will not pass on those traits to your children.

It's kind of the same thing. You're just upset that people can acheive the same goal by paying money, and really, if they're paying thousands of dollars to change the shape of their face then aren't they working hard to improve themselves too? That money has to be earned somehow.

[SDSUMarcus01]

So people shouldn't have plastic surgery because it makes them more attractive and therefore more likely to spread their naturally ugly genes, correct?

Isn't wearing makeup not the exact same thing? It makes you more attractive than you really are. How about working out? Those muscles you worked so hard for are not naturally yours. You will not pass on those traits to your children.

It's kind of the same thing. You're just upset that people can acheive the same goal by paying money, and really, if they're paying thousands of dollars to change the shape of their face then aren't they working hard to improve themselves too? That money has to be earned somehow.

Wearing makeup is the same thing. Working out and getting plastic surgery are not the same thing. Working out to look good requires years of hardwork and dedication.

If you don't use steroids, you will only be able to go as far as your GENETICS will allow you to. I.E. you won't get 30 inch arms no matter how much you lift if it's not in your genetics. Plastic surgery takes you beyond your genetics which is something I'm against.

While my muscles may not pass to my children, my genetics will, and in those genetics are the dictations of what they will be able to achieve naturally if they work out and put effort into it.

Naturally, people are attracted to specimens that are more fit. But you don't get more fit by living a coach potatoe lifestyle and plastic surgery will not magically bless you with the ability to run a marathon. Plastic surgery gives people the image of being in shape when in reality they are not, and that IS cheating.

[SumoSamurai]

Cometic Surgery shows very low self esteem. From what I've learned, many teenagers under the age of 18 in Korea already gets cosmetic surgery jobs done. Also, applying make-up does not changed the proportions of the face, plastic surgery does.

In Korea, there are these people who are called "Uljjangs". This term is a slang for "best-face" in Korean. Young people post pictures/videos of themselves online on forums, etc and let people rate them. www.soompi.com is all about Ulljangs, though you can't view any pictures if you are not registered and you need a payed email address to register.

I've done some searching and I found a site with pictures of all(I think) of the Uljjangs. There are guys and girls. Some more popular than others. If you go on Youtube, you can watch videos of some of them. Sometimes they all meet up and have concerts.

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e97/Goldkim/

There are many rumors about some of them who had plastic surgery. Actually I think some of the Uljjzngs are Japanese and Chinese, but mostly Koreans.

EDIT: Take some time to check it out. Some pretty nice faces. There's even this girl with extremely large eyes. And the sterotype of Koreans with small eyes.

[Angelyne]

Why I will never get plastic surgery (http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/)

If even celebrities with all of their fame and money can't get decent plastic surgery, what chance does meone like me have?

[O-Matic]

Ok, I changed my mind a little.

Beauty is pure cheating. Even if natural.

Even if your dnaČ has some scars, you are still giving just 50% of it to your children. So if you get 2-3 children there is a good chance that at least one of them won't have your bad stuff.

So, everybody, even the unhealthy should get some children.

If you smell the sweat of a person, you check that persons dnaČ, if it smells good/ok your dnaČ is compatible and your children will be resistent to more stuff. If it smells bad, this means you have similar resistances and your children won't evolve far from you.

This should be enough to fall in love with the right person.

Now here's the cheating: If you look good, you attract people to fall in love with you rather than an equally compatible or even more compatible person.

2 Sisters, 1 exotic guy: perfect compatibility. He'll take the beautyful sister, the other one won't get a guy.

This leads to:

http://www.geocities.com/~kenghor/article/zoo/peakcock.jpg

The mankind starts to get more beautyful because the beautys get more children...but beauty is so unnecessary! It will become a burden, in the future all people will have to make themselves more beautyful with surgerys and cosmetics and cosmetic surgerys, just to be able to fight the competition!

I don't want to end like this poor birdrace, the peckcock's tail is only good for getting the female peckcocks! But it makes you vunerable to your enemys and I'm sure it's annoying while walking, too!

That's somewhat agains evolution and thus agains nature itself!! We should make sure that our children will survive in the future instead of "bling bling"!

But since nature can't be against itself there must be something else about this beauty...

And this leads me to my new theory: :teacher:

Once a creature, reaches the top of the foodchain and/or has no natural enemys left it shifts it's priority from survival to something else, in this case beauty, with the goal of more reproduction.

Peckcocks sure have a hard day running away from enemys with this tail. If they had lot's of enemys the would be dead by now. But the didn't so the female Peckcocks had no more interest in fast and strong males but in those with the cool tails.

The same is happening to us humans, and thanks to modern medicine we don't need that much resistance, so we are shifting to beauty, too. and thanks to modern medicine again, we don't need to be naturally beautyful since we can have a cosmic surgery...and this leads to...errrrrrrr....damn...this leads to......errr....errr...me going to bed! I'll finish that another time...

[Cherub Rock]

Peacocks can actually retract their tails. It's like closing a fan.

Also, there are countless species of animals that have similar traits to the peacock. Sexual selection is an important part of evolutionary theory. For a species to pass its genes on, it does not have to develop a trait that necessarily allows it to survive longer than other species. It can develop a trait that is more sexually selective, like larger, brighter feathers or a larger set of antlers. It has absolutely nothing to do with survival. These creatures have just developed traits that made their genes more attractive to the other members of their species.

[O-Matic]

Of course the goal is to get some children. But it's better to go for survival...

I look at it like this:

2 Bunnys: One was born with golden bling-bling ears, the other one with superfists of blood+3.
The girls love bling bling so they select him. The get children, ok.
But then apeears the UberFox and eats them all, because they were easy to find thanks to the blingbling ears, while the bunny with the superfists+3 survives every foxattack.

So I had to ask myself, how did blingbling animals like the peckcock survive?

=> there are no enemys in their area. so there was no real use for superfists+3 and more use for blingblingbunnys.

and so everything works out like darwin said...great, all this thinking only to realize that it's nothing new :bored: I should read more books...

Anyway, to connect this with the topic:
In the end, I think cosmetic surgery is not real cheating but a proof that we are such beta version humans.
It's funny to see how much instinct is left in us. Thanks to our brain we have the surgery yet we are using it for stupid, instinctive thinks like making our genes more attractive to the other members of our species.

I don't like this :meh:

[Praetorian]

If it wasn't for that theory, there would be no people with blond hair and blue eyes.

True story.

THE modern gentleman may prefer blondes. But new research has found that it was cavemen who were the first to be lured by flaxen locks.

According to the study, north European women evolved blonde hair and blue eyes at the end of the Ice Age to make them stand out from their rivals at a time of fierce competition for scarce males.

The study argues that blond hair originated in the region because of food shortages 10,000-11,000 years ago. Until then, humans had the dark brown hair and dark eyes that still dominate in the rest of the world. Almost the only sustenance in northern Europe came from roaming herds of mammoths, reindeer, bison and horses. Finding them required long, arduous hunting trips in which numerous males died, leading to a high ratio of surviving women to men.

Lighter hair colours, which started as rare mutations, became popular for breeding and numbers increased dramatically, according to the research, published under the aegis of the University of St Andrews.

“Human hair and eye colour are unusually diverse in northern and eastern Europe (and their) origin over a short span of evolutionary time indicates some kind of selection,” says the study by Peter Frost, a Canadian anthropologist. Frost adds that the high death rate among male hunters “increased the pressures of sexual selection on early European women, one possible outcome being an unusual complex of colour traits.”

Frost’s theory, to be published this week in Evolution and Human Behavior, the academic journal, was supported by Professor John Manning, a specialist in evolutionary psychology at the University of Central Lancashire. “Hair and eye colour tend to be uniform in many parts of the world, but in Europe there is a welter of variants,” he said. “The mate choice explanation now being put forward is, in my mind, close to being correct.”

Frost’s theory is also backed up by a separate scientific analysis of north European genes carried out at three Japanese universities, which has isolated the date of the genetic mutation that resulted in blond hair to about 11,000 years ago.

The hair colour gene MC1R has at least seven variants in Europe and the continent has an unusually wide range of hair and eye shades. In the rest of the world, dark hair and eyes are overwhelmingly dominant.

Just how such variety emerged over such a short period of time in one part of the world has long been a mystery. According to the new research, if the changes had occurred by the usual processes of evolution, they would have taken about 850,000 years. But modern humans, emigrating from Africa, reached Europe only 35,000-40,000 years ago.

Instead, Frost attributes the rapid evolution to how they gathered food. In Africa there was less dependence on animals and women were able to collect fruit for themselves. In Europe, by contrast, food gathering was almost exclusively a male hunter’s preserve. The retreating ice sheets left behind a landscape of fertile soil with plenty of grass and moss for herbivorous animals to eat, but few plants edible for humans. Women therefore took on jobs such as building shelters and making clothes while the men went on hunting trips, where the death rate was high.

The increase in competition for males led to rapid change as women struggled to evolve the most alluring qualities. Frost believes his theory is supported by studies which show blonde hair is an indicator for high oestrogen levels in women.

Jilly Cooper, 69, the author, described how in her blonde youth she had “certainly got more glances. I remember when I went to Majorca when I was 20, my bum was sore from getting pinched”.

However, Jodie Kidd, 27, the blonde model, disagrees with the theory: “I don’t think being blonde makes you more ripe for sexual activity. It’s much more to do with personality than what you look like. Beauty is much deeper than the colour of your hair.”

Film star blondes such as Marilyn Monroe, Brigitte Bardot, Sharon Stone and Scarlett Johansson are held up as ideals of feminine allure. However, the future of the blonde is uncertain.

[jihei18]

Actually, a peacock's tail does factor into evolution theory. In order to carry around such a cumbersome thing, a peacock must be genetically superior. In order to escape their predators (and they do have predators), they have to be strong and swift. So if a peacock with an impressive tail survives into adulthood, chances are it has good genes to pass on to future generation.Of course, a peahen doesn't say to itself "Wow, what a fine example of compeatitive genes!", but is attracted to the beauty. Fortunately for her, beauty is actually a sign of fitness. What this has to do with getting plastic surgery? Nothing! Ah well...

[Kass]

Plastic surgery isn't cheating. Many people who have worked out, dieted and lost a lot of weight have plastic surgery to remove now excess skin. Contrary to popular belief, your skin just doesn't shrink back up if there is anything other than a small reduction insize.

[Cherub Rock]

Actually, a peacock's tail does factor into evolution theory. In order to carry around such a cumbersome thing, a peacock must be genetically superior. In order to escape their predators (and they do have predators), they have to be strong and swift. So if a peacock with an impressive tail survives into adulthood, chances are it has good genes to pass on to future generation.Of course, a peahen doesn't say to itself "Wow, what a fine example of compeatitive genes!", but is attracted to the beauty. Fortunately for her, beauty is actually a sign of fitness. What this has to do with getting plastic surgery? Nothing! Ah well...

Exactly.

Sadly, I've actually had university level classes that deal with this specific subject. Sexual fitness has a far greater influence on who gets to pass their genes on than actual survival fitness. With some species such as gorillas, that is not the case because they display harem behavior where one dominant male mates with all the females. In that case, the most fit member of the group passes along his genes (although other males manage to pass their genes along too, just not as often). However in species where the male competes for the attention of the female, such as the peacock, it is not the most genetically fit bird that wins. It is the one that is most sexually attractive.

It's very similar to the idea that rodents are the superior species on this planet. It isn't because they are more genetically fit than other species, but they are able to reproduce at such an enormous rate that you cannot get rid of them. That's the power of sexual selection. Even if the species is inferior in every other facet, if it is able to reproduce at a faster rate it will always outlast the other.

[Jon885]

I don't really care if people have plastic surgery especially if they have a physical deformity. I always wanted a nose job but was afraid to go under the knife. It would be cool to have a more romanesque looking nose.

[Decade]

True that Jon.

I myself wouldnt do plastic surgery because 1) To afraid of the knife and 2) I'd feel like I be giving into low self esteem.

But you cant really blame some people for wanting to get plastic surgery.

They actually talked about this on a show called "The War At Home" a couple months ago. A 16 year old girl wanted a boob job, her parents said no. Then she asked "I wanna make myself better. If I had a big nose and wanted a nose job, you'd let me do that, wouldn't you?"

Now most people look at this differently than other plastic surgery's. Not to be racial or stereotypical, but a lot of Jewish women get nose jobs done because they usually inherit their "parents original noses" which tend to be quite large and arcing. As such, it's common for Jewish women to get nose jobs like it is for a lot of Asian girls (like Koreans) to get eye lid jobs.

While it may seem shallow and cheating, it really makes a difference in these girls lives. They feel better about themselves because they believe they actually look better, and without trying to sound like a ignorant insensitive pig, usually people with say nose jobs do.

Remind you I said "usually," you always get a monster like Lauren Sanchez:

http://www.rickey.org/blog/2005/08/laura_sanchez_p.html

But regardless, I digress from my point. While we might see them as shallow, the people around them are usually worse because they usually DO see these girls as looking better and more attractive. Therefore, if they know they can make themselves more attractive and feel better about themselves (even if they dont want the people they're around), why shouldnt they?

You cant deny that looks are the first attraction for most people to another, it's the strongest one from men to women and strongest from women to men on first sight, it's just psychology. While I might have my own problems with going under the knife, you cant really blame some people who actually feel they need it in order to feel better.

But I too hope for a lot less Lauren Sanchez's.

[kilreli]

some people do plastic surgery so they can actually get a bf/gf. :sigh: the inside doesnt count anymore....
well...im kind of a bastard when it comes to this. i mean...the inside means a lot to me...but i still want my wife to be a little bit pretty at least....pretty please..

[Decade]

Of course you do

Most people (at least in the states) will want somebody who is at least as "beautiful" as they are looks wise, that's why you dont see TO many geeky looking guys with hot super model wives (regardless of what many people might have told you in high school...dorks).

It's not a sin to be attracted to somebody physically, that's sometihng I think some of society today is trying to promote when looking for a partner.

No, it's actually OK to be attracted to someone PHYSICALLY as long as you try not to base it solely on that.

[K2Grey]

Actually, a peacock's tail does factor into evolution theory. In order to carry around such a cumbersome thing, a peacock must be genetically superior. In order to escape their predators (and they do have predators), they have to be strong and swift. So if a peacock with an impressive tail survives into adulthood, chances are it has good genes to pass on to future generation.Of course, a peahen doesn't say to itself "Wow, what a fine example of compeatitive genes!", but is attracted to the beauty. Fortunately for her, beauty is actually a sign of fitness. What this has to do with getting plastic surgery? Nothing! Ah well...

Actually, to my understanding this is an example of runaway evolution.

The biger and more beautiful a peacock's tail is, the higher the chance of it getting a mate and reproducing. Thus, the tail will get bigger and bigger. However, the bigger and more cumbersome the tail, the higher the chance that some predator will eat it. These two factors will cancel out at some equilibrium point, which is why there is a limit to how big the tails of peacocks can get.

Evolution is not 'smart'. Factors in evolution include both who survives to reproduce, and who gets a mate to reproduce with; it's not just a survival of the fittest deal e.g. Darwin.

[ApathyEcstasy]

Fake beauty is better then the ugly truth.

agreed..:clap:

[jihei18]

I should become a plastic surgeon! You always feel good about something you can profit off of!

[paul]

I've heard worse. I've heard of women who go in to get their legs sawed, adding in metal extensions, and reattaching so they could be a few inches taller.They end up having to spend around half a year in bed.

[Psychochink]

See, we Aussies know that plastic surgery is an accepted part of everyday life: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=78117

...Becuase nobody wants to see an ugly kangaroo.

[gyoza]

I've heard worse. I've heard of women who go in to get their legs sawed, adding in metal extensions, and reattaching so they could be a few inches taller.They end up having to spend around half a year in bed.

Why the hell would they do that and end up with fewer choices?

I'd be willing to do that.

[Cherub Rock]

I've heard of leg lengthening surgery, but it's not like sawing your leg off and reattaching it. They break your tibia and fibia at different points and place something between them. Then they brace the leg and over the course of a few months continually "stretch" the leg. The bone heals and is lengthened in the process.

Of course this rarely adds more than a couple inches, but if you have the money why not? The only downside is you are breaking your leg and hoping it heals properly. It does not always do that, so it's just a risk you have to take.

[Roxie]

I have natural doublelids...
wtf are double lids?

[fa11en87]

Yah, obvious difference isn't it? I unfortunately have chinky chink eyes, but luckily I discovered the sale of eye glue.

[Roxie]

Wow.

So how long have you had this racist streak, fallen?

[Shamu]

I don't really have a problem with plastic surgery.
Although I did hear a really odd story on the radio not too long ago and I'm not sure if it's true or not, but considering today's world, it wouldn't surprise me.
I guess some women are having plastic surgery on their genitalia to make it look "cute" (which I've heard of) and some are also having their hymens (or something like it) to become "virgins" again. Too me, that's just a little weird. Just because you have everything back "in tact" doesn't mean that you're a virgin again, although I guess it just depends on a person's perspective.

[Stephy]

I heard that too Shannon. About the Hymen thingy anyway. Not the cute part. Actually I am sure there is surgery that does that and people get it done.

[Roxie]

Yes they do.

I hear it's very popular with women from Mexico. We actually had a speaker about it at our school. It's shocking shit.

[haterllnation]

MJ is when plastic surgery should be considered illegal and immoral.

[SDSUMarcus01]

I don't really have a problem with plastic surgery.
Although I did hear a really odd story on the radio not too long ago and I'm not sure if it's true or not, but considering today's world, it wouldn't surprise me.
I guess some women are having plastic surgery on their genitalia to make it look "cute" (which I've heard of) and some are also having their hymens (or something like it) to become "virgins" again. Too me, that's just a little weird. Just because you have everything back "in tact" doesn't mean that you're a virgin again, although I guess it just depends on a person's perspective.

They do it to fool whomever they're marrying.

[Bob]

What the fuck is a double eyelid?

[haterllnation]

i figure its the caucasian way the eye is; the skin above the eye. sorry, if i missed sarcasm.

to the plastic surgery to the junk below, yeh that's strange. maybe there is a fetish to people only to want virgins..besides older males. I wonder if anyone is doing plastic surgery to emulate celebrity sex organs..

WOO! Tom Cruises junk. can't wait to look at it in the mirror...wait.. *sob*

[fa11en87]

Wow.

So how long have you had this racist streak, fallen?

LOL what makes you say that? Is it because I call single eyelids chinky? I'm just blunt and maybe vulgar about things sometimes, but I don't consider myself to be an extreme racist. But I admit that I am just as racist as the average person because life experiences and observations made me so. I tried very hard when I was younger to not dislike people based on stupid things such as race, but I slowly went to the other side haha. But I still give people a chance who belong to a group of people that I have a negative outlook on, because I realize that people are individuals. Can you honestly say that you have no prejudice or hate towards any group of people? Perhaps you had a perfect life?(sarcasm) Besides, I think all races suck equally.=)