Why do you hate...?

[Langosta]

No I'm not talking about the president. Why do you hate, despise, loathe or any other similar word?
Hatred is an incredibly negative emotion, it accomplishes nothing beyond personal suffering. Your hatred affects you in the most negative ways.

Hatred leads to suffering. Why do you bother to punnish yourself because of judgements you pass onto other people?

No more hateful thoughts or actions, be helpful.

[delen]

people will always have negative feeling toward certain things; you can choose to hate something but sometimes hate is not a choice people made

to have emotions is human and people will always have a wide range of emotion including hate

most people are not rational enough to simple "turn off their hate"

[Mastiker]

i don't really have an on/off switch, so much as a dimmer. it's more energy efficient, and looks really cool in the right settings.

honestly though, for a kid who listens to deathmetal and swears a lot, i have a suprisingly low amount of hate/aggression. in fact, i'm like a super happy kid. a lot.

but the reason most people have hate is usually due to a lack of understanding, or a lack of comprehension. people get aggrivated by something/somebody, they tend to hate them.

the word hate is used loosely too, as much as love is. "i love ice cream" and "i hate twinkies" are common examples. obviously, you can't love ice cream as it is an inanimate object, and i don't know why anybody would bear a grudge against a twinkie. also hate is misguided in itself. i could say "i hate phil" but really, i don't hate phil. i hate phil's actions, and what they represent. i hate phil's behavior towards others. i hate phil's complete and utter disregard for life, large and small. that is completely different from "i hate phil".

[Langosta]

most people are not rational enough to simple "turn off their hate"

True enough but it's something we should really focus more on learning

[Mastiker]

True enough but it's something we should really focus more on learning

why? hate, in all it's rage and agression, is one of the most useful behaviors that humans can have. hate can show you how a person really behaves, as well as show you that people are possible of possessing a second nature. even the smallest child is possible of hate. i don't think we should get rid of hate, for that would rid us of part of our natural behavior. what we should learn is how to control that hate and channel it into something we can use. loving everybody will get you just as far as hating everyone if you don't do anything about it.

[Langosta]

I disagree hatred is an animalistic and unsavory human behaviour as are several others, though I understand there are people who embrace them.
I have found that no matter the way it's manifested hatred is a purely negative and is damaging to the individual.
I have yet to meet someone attempting to master themselves who was less happy than someone who allowed their "nature" to reign.

[Mastiker]

i'm not saying let your nature reign. in fact, i'm saying just the opposite. you should not repress your hatred, but rather be it's master. channel your hate into something useful, as you would with any emotion. don't let if fester, but don't supress it. if someone says something to you that is offensive, react with you hate, but use your rationale to realize what to react with. it's not healthy to repress hate, just as it's not healthy to let it fly.

[Langosta]

Oh I see, we misunderstood each other. I don't mean to surpress hatred but rather to take a mindset where you will not react with hate.

Create a situation where hate can't live or arrise

[Mastiker]

That would be impossible. At least, by human standards. I could turn on my computer, and I could beat it to a pulp, but it would never hate me for it. As long as there are emotions, there will always be hate. The key is in supressing the urge to use that hate negatively. No matter what anyone says, it will be impossible (in this lifetime) to be purely rid of hate, or purely rid of love.

[Langosta]

Hate is a response, responses are created by stimuli. Identify the stimuli that create the response and nullify them.
But more so than just not being in a situation that will enrage you to begin with, you should also practice understanding why you hate something. From there you can reason with your hatred and it will end.

Hate is not a necesary emotion

[Mastiker]

Hate is necessary to the point of defining ourselves as part of nature. I had assumed my metaphor with computers had said that, but I guess it wasn't clear enough. The thing that seperates us from nature is hate and love. Without hate, it wouldn't be possible to love. If I didn't have enemies, I would have no purpose for allies. In truth, people would become more friendly, but that is not a desireable postion for everyone. Perhaps you would like it if you never had to hate again, but for most it is something that proves that we exist. True people should become more rationale with their hate, but that's unlikely to happen.

In theory, however, if we were to entirely get rid of hate, what would happen to society? There would be less drive for competition for one thing. Why compete against somebody that you love? The whole idea of striving to be better than somebody else would be an ill concieved thought, because you would love everyone the same. This would be horrible for economy, as the USSR proved out for us. Everyone would be, on some small scale, able to assimilate their love for one another. What would happen if there was a murder? Not all murder is driven by hate. Most murder is chance, or out of rational thought. Why would cops catch the murderer? Would it be because justice must be served, or because they feel the necessary emotion behind the act to catch the criminal? If we got rid of hate, we would have less of our emotion, and therefore less of our humanity. I for one, would sorely miss the ability to distinguish my hatred for ignorance. Otherwise, I'd just be someone who was annoyed, but unable to tell why.

[Langosta]

I think the basics points that I disagree with your are that hate doesn't define existence nor do we compete out of hatred.
I'll start with competition because it's a simpler concept but people compete for self gain, they don't compete (usually) because they hate their rivals. A world completely without hate though would inevitably change the market, but it wouldn't be like communism in the USSR.
Hate does not define our existence, actually I don't feel anything that can be described defines our existence. They are effects of our existence but we would still exist with out them. There is no need to question or define existence, I exist therefore I exist is simple enough.

I'll restate my oppinion and maybe it will be a little more clear. Hatred is a negative emotion that occurs subjective to the individual, but is universally negative.
Self mastery, understanding of the self, will result in a self without hatred.

For a metaphor Hate is like an unnecesary part of a machine which only adds friction, upon review we can remove it and function better.

[InSo]

It is quite natural to have a severe loathing for certain people or things. If someone does something horrible to me or someone I hold dear, I will hate them as much as I damn well want, I don't buy into any of this forgiveness/turn the other cheek bullshit.

[Kewl Imp]

You shouldn't hate. Not liking, despiting, loathing are all acceptable but not hate. I only hate one person on this planet, but that man drug my life through hell by molesting me when I was 14. Court, therapy and the such can screw up someone BIG time.

[Mastiker]

I do not doubt that we would exist without hate. I merely meant that keeping hate, a vitally important (if negative) emotion, would help distinguish ourselves from machines. Machines exist, but they do not care, they do not have a range of emotion. I have never met a computer that hated me, although I do not doubt that it exists. Life would be a lot weaker without hate.

I think I shall restate my opinion as well; hate is a naturally occuring emotion that should be restrained but not gotten rid of. This particular debate, I believe we could argue about for months and neither one of us would back down from our opinions. I, however, have limited internet access, and I must leave it for now. I would love to further this discussion with you at any point.

(see the funny? i mentioned i would love to continue talking about hate :D i make myself giggle)

[Mastiker]

You shouldn't hate. Not liking, despiting, loathing are all acceptable but not hate.

those are very nice words, but when it comes down to it, they all represent the same inner emotion. although i use "hate" and "love" as very clean cut words, it is very hard to establish what exactly hate and love truely are. think of hate as anything you don't love, and love as anything you don't hate.

[Nights_into_dreams]

I think, therefore I exist.

I exist, therefore I endure.

I endure, therefore I feel.

I feel, therefore I like.

I like, therefore I hate.

[Mastiker]

I think, therefore I exist.

I exist, therefore I endure.

I endure, therefore I feel.

I feel, therefore I like.

I like, therefore I hate.

Exactly what I was trying to say! I'm not so good with speaking to the point.

[Langosta]

That sounds enjoyable enough so if you'd like to discuss it further we can do so via PM ^^

I will turn to InSo with my point that hatred causes personal suffering rather than doing anything to the person or thing you hate, while forgiveness (absolute forgiveness) will cure the suffering.

If you can tell me anything possitive you gained because of hatred I would be interested to hear it, but as it is I feel it's unhealthy to choose to continue hating things.

To Kewl Imp I will say that I can't sympathize with you because I can't honestly say I understand what you've been through (unless I had experienced it myself I would be liar to say so). But I will stay say that forgiveness comes more easily if you are less subjective.

When I was a kid I would say I probably hated things much more deeply than most people do, I can tell you that hatred blinds you to understanding things it burns your insides. Hatred will grow and control you.

That being said, hatred doesn't have to ammount to such a problem. But you will never be able to build anything possitive out of it.

At core we're all humans, we're equal in this way no matter what each other have done. The bad things we did, we've done because of circumstance and going about hating people who do bad things doesn't accomplish anything.

PS I am not a hippy... just in case that gets brought up later

EDIT so as not to double post

I'm going to add in about the Love and hate are oppsoite sides of the same coin and you can't have one without the other

If something is purely white, it can't be called white unless there is something to measure white against. White would not be without black.
But simply because there is black, doesn't mean it has to be everywhere white is.

[King Kong]

I don't think I've hated anyone.
I've disliked someone, but I haven't gone far enough to hate them.
This world is big enough for everybody, people you like, and people you don't like.

[/|/@/|/@し]

I don't hate really hate anything.

I mean, I'll say "I hate that band/food/tv show/etc" but that's a dislike of something. I've never wanted to kill or harm anything, this includes most bugs as I won't harm one unless it's pousinous. The only time I've come close to hating something or someone is when I hear about those people hurting a lot of other people, but that's more like pity for everone and wishing the person would die so everyone is safer. But then again, I've been told frequently that I'm not normal. :innocent:

At the same time there is a reason for hate. There is also a reason for war. There are many times it's unneeded but we'd be very opressed if we didn't stand up to the people us or other people. It's just I think people also use it to their own advantage as well, where it's unneeded.

[Nights_into_dreams]

Exactly what I was trying to say! I'm not so good with speaking to the point.

I <3 logic.

[Langosta]

So you think that without hatred of an imposing threat you don't have motivation to stand against it?

Or did I misinterpret the last bit there, I know I didn't understand what you meant by people take advantage of it.

Sorry if I'm posting and asking to many questiongs by the way, I'll stop and go about something else if it's bothersome.

[King Kong]

So you think that without hatred of an imposing threat you don't have motivation to stand against it?

I've used martial arts to protect myself from thugs without feeling the need to hate them. To me, hate is not a necessity for survival or protection. As long as you know who you are protecting and you are responsible, then you will not lack motivation.

[Jiant Flying Panda]

Because it's a lot easier to hate than to love.

^ True

[/|/@/|/@し]

So you think that without hatred of an imposing threat you don't have motivation to stand against it?

Or did I misinterpret the last bit there, I know I didn't understand what you meant by people take advantage of it.


I've never had to face an imposing thread to where my family would be harmed if I didn't stand up and harm someone, having never experienced this I wouldn't be sure if I'd feel hate, a need to protect my family, or pity. I might feel a mix of all three. Since I don't need to hate anything at this moment, I just don't. Because then it would be unneeded.

At the same time say there is an oppressed country somewhere out there, they've been lead by a group that's completely taking advantage of them. Money wise, emotionally, abusive. Everything. As much as I respected what Gandhi did with peaceful protests, it doesn't work with every situation. Thus hate might be needed to trigger a war to start a solution so the people wouldn't be oppressed anymore. That's how hatred can be used as a survival technique.

Now let's say from this hatred, the war created two groups within the country: One who is responsible in the war and really wants to help, while say another group goes around hurting anyone that isn't on their side or related to anyone on their side (this includes women and children) because they are filled with hate. This again, is when hate is unneeded and used in a wrong way.

[King Kong]

Hate is based on an exaggeration of negative preconceptions.
Since this kind of view is distorted and superficial, any war based on hatred, is a war based on false pretenses.

[/|/@/|/@し]

Hate is based on an exaggeration of negative preconceptions.
Since this kind of view is distorted and superficial, any war based on hatred, is a war based on false pretenses.

It depends. Things such as hate crimes are based on those reasoning, but hatred can also be an emotion of detest and wanting to get rid of or avoiding a situation to where forceful action can occur. In that scenario above, having just a will to survive is could just make someone endure throughout their troubles. A will to survive does not always mean a will to change something. Which is where hate and aggression can come into play as a helping factor. Evolution is great, really, as we all of our emotions are for a reason. Someone can pervert hate as they can also pervert love. I also things there are more than one kind of hate as there are multiple kinds of love.

[King Kong]

A will to survive does not always mean a will to change something.
There should be a will to quench the problem, as well as the will to survive.
Of course problems can be better solved with a clear mind and its difficult to solve a problem objectively whilst hate is clouding the mind.
Hate will only spawn more hate.

[gyoza]

i don't know why anybody would bear a grudge against a twinkie.

Unless you're a FOB who doesn't like Americanized Asians. :P

But seriously, I just believe hate is something that's irrational, and part of our human nature. I'm interested if any of you guys believe there's a 'rational' kind of hatred, and what it's like...

[Possum Jenkins]

Because I'm a terrible person.

[RoxFontaine]

Because it makes that which you love all the mo' sweeter!

[InSo]

I'd love to be able to forgive people for doing atrocious things, but I can't. Take for example those who organised/performed the bombings on the London transport system. I live 20 minutes from the main site, and I hate all of them from the bottom of my heart, because of all the innocent people they killed just to get their pathetic 'message' across. I don't understand how it is possible to 'forgive' someone for soing such an act. I see it as far healthier to actually feel negative emotions towards them, if someone could please explain how it is possible to forgive any of these people? Their crime is unforgivable. Thankfully I have never experienced anything as horrible as this on a personal scale, but I still find forgiveness laughable.

[Mastiker]

The Yin and Yang is a representation of balance; good and evil scaled exactly the same. Without hatred, there could be no love; without love, there could be no hatred.

It's true that hatred is a negative emotion, but that's true for plenty of things. Greed is a negative emotion, as well as fear and sadness. Moreso to the point, happiness is a positive emotion. Some days we feel sad, some days we feel happy, some days we feel angry, some days we feel lucky.

If we were to get rid of one emotion, it would entirely disrupt the balance of life. Without hatred, I would have nothing to fear, but I would also have everything to love. I'm not one who loves everything. Some things are acceptable to hate. Forgiveness is not something that everybody can accept, and there are some things that you cannot forgive.

If you look at the structure of an atom, what is it composed of? Equal amounts of electrons and protons. If you were to take away, or add, different electrons and protons you would end up with an entirely different atom.

True, the notion of not hating anything is a idealistic one, but like all romantic ideas, they can't come true. And yes, I do agree that hate can be a hazardous emotion, but only to those who fail to rationalize their hate, or don't even attempt to understand it.

[King Kong]

If you look at the structure of an atom, what is it composed of? Equal amounts of electrons and protons. If you were to take away, or add, different electrons and protons you would end up with an entirely different atom.

Emotion is multifaceted, whilst the atom is otherwise.
Its hilarious how you are trying to compare the complexity of emotions with the atom.

Besides, like I've said, I don't think I've hated anyone or anything in my life, I've felt a repulsion, but not hatred. I think you are trying to create a theory of everything based on your life, but it doesn't apply to everyone.

[Mastiker]

I was comparing an atom to emotions to simplify my point. You make it sound as if that was all my opinion is based on. I have noticed that you do attack the weaker points of someones arguement (at least in this discussion) rather than take them on as a whole. Taking it out of context weakens the statement more. For the sake of arguement, we have simplified emotions thus far in this discussion into simply hate or love (with few varying alternatives) so I had assumed it would be quite all right to use such a non-specific example such as that.

I'm not creating a "theory" based off of my own life, I'm merely using my own self as an example for my opinion. I'm sorry if that troubles of confuses you, but that's merely how I'm stating my "theory", as you so put it.

Emotion is multifaced; that's what I've been trying to point out. However, without one, the others cannot exist. Having hate doesn't necessarily mean acting on that hate. Agression and rage are not the same things as hate. Acts of agression can come from stressful activity, but not necessarily hate.

Hate is necessary because people need to hate. It is healthy to hate, but it is not healthy to fester on hate or to let it overcome your life, just as it isn't healthy to focus on love. If there was only one emotion driving us through life, it would cloud our judgement. Having hate is necessary to give us a different perspective in life that love couldn't show us.

[King Kong]

Hate is necessary because people need to hate. It is healthy to hate

I respect your opinion.

[Langosta]

.. Name one healthy thing that comes from hate? Not to be rude I just can't think of any.

Hate exists, therefore it can't be completely destryoed there will always be some reminant. But there are times and places without hate, so if even for an instant you can be without hate you can do so for a lifetime as well.

Hate is not something love is dependent on, as to the "it makes love more appreciated" that's like saying you look smarter next to a retarded ape. That retarded ape didn't actually make you smarter, and you'd be the same without it.

Hate also happens to be completely irrational, though I suppose most emotions are.

I think trying to live without having a reaction to hate something is also strongly outlined in some major relligions, buddhism, christianity, maybe hinduism. Probably a lot more.

There are a lot of negative, animalistic natures in man. All of which will continue to run relatively outside your control if not addressed and few of which have many possitive aspects. Just like you can domesticate a dog, you can train your heart as well.

And living with forgiveness and love is much more enjoyable and far healthier. Though just like training your dog, it might not do circus tricks for you and different breeds aren't going to behave as well. You've got to work at it and be understanding that results will take time and may not be 100%

That's my thoughts on the matter at least, it's something I try (though poorly) to do myself. Other people I know who've done the same seem to be living much happier lives

[Idlethought]

I harbor hate because it's the only way to stop me from releasing my hate in a physical form. And the hate is there in the first place because people are douches. Some people are more douchy than others, and the more douchy a person is the more I tend to hate them.

I hate my cousin.
He is a douche.
If I didnt harbor the hate he might be dead.

[Mastiker]

I respect your opinion
And I respect yours, so long as it makes some inkling of sense.

.. Name one healthy thing that comes from hate? Not to be rude I just can't think of any. One healthy thing that comes from hate? The French Revolution.

Hate exists, therefore it can't be completely destryoed there will always be some reminant. But there are times and places without hate, so if even for an instant you can be without hate you can do so for a lifetime as well. There are times and places without plenty of things. There are times and places when we're without food. Or without rest. Or without love. Yet, we all know what happens if we do not continue to get food, rest, or love(ing).

Hate is not something love is dependent on, as to the "it makes love more appreciated" that's like saying you look smarter next to a retarded ape. That retarded ape didn't actually make you smarter, and you'd be the same without it. I get what you're saying, but you said it wrong. The way you said it, I would have to be comparing love to hate, but I'm not. I'm saying that because hate exists, so does love. Without having something to hate, you wouldn't have something to love.

Hate also happens to be completely irrational, though I suppose most emotions are. I can't name a single emotion that isn't rational or irrational.

.. I think trying to live without having a reaction to hate something is also strongly outlined in some major relligions, buddhism, christianity, maybe hinduism. Probably a lot more. Christianity focuses more on forgiveness than lack of hate. You are allowed to hate, you just need to repent afterwords. On the other hand, some people (like myself) do not follow a religion, and therefore do not have a "moral compass" like that.

There are a lot of negative, animalistic natures in man. All of which will continue to run relatively outside your control if not addressed and few of which have many possitive aspects. Just like you can domesticate a dog, you can train your heart as well. But even a trained dog will bite if provoked.

And living with forgiveness and love is much more enjoyable and far healthier. Though just like training your dog, it might not do circus tricks for you and different breeds aren't going to behave as well. You've got to work at it and be understanding that results will take time and may not be 100% You may believe this, but I don't, and so do others. There are a few people in my life that I will never forgive or love. In that sense, there are some people that I could never hate. The results are, like I said, romantic in notion but askew in reality.

.. That's my thoughts on the matter at least, it's something I try (though poorly) to do myself. Other people I know who've done the same seem to be living much happier lives
Those are they themselves. I live my life like the Four Noble Truths, minus the Eightfold Path part. The world sucks, the world sucks because people desire and are ignorant, and that there is an end to the sucking. I spend my life, not loving, or forgiving, or hating, just merely... not sucking. At least, I try.

I harbor hate because it's the only way to stop me from releasing my hate in a physical form. And the hate is there in the first place because people are douches. Some people are more douchy than others, and the more douchy a person is the more I tend to hate them.

I hate my cousin.
He is a douche.
If I didnt harbor the hate he might be dead.
Harboring hate isn't healthy, as you proved by your last statement. I can't really suggest anything that you can do with your hate, since I'm just a kid, and I don't really know anything about getting rid of hate.

[Josh]

I have a list 400 items long of people/places/ideas/words that I hate with a passion. Eventually when I feel there are no more things I hate, im gonna burn the list. Once that happens, i'll let it go. Its more of a time killer though. Its taken me 12 years to think of everything on it. Its actually kinda cool to see my 1st grade writing evolve into what it is now.

Willem Dafoe and Madonna appear on the list several times each... just FYI >.>

[Morel]

Because if it wasn't for hate, I wouldn't feel anything? :)

[Morel]

I have a list 400 items long of people/places/ideas/words that I hate with a passion. Eventually when I feel there are no more things I hate, im gonna burn the list. Once that happens, i'll let it go. Its more of a time killer though. Its taken me 12 years to think of everything on it. Its actually kinda cool to see my 1st grade writing evolve into what it is now.

Willem Dafoe and Madonna appear on the list several times each... just FYI >.>


William Dafoe?

LOLOL..

I'm sorry man, thats funny as hell :)

[Vic_Rattlehead]

I don't hate anything. Hate to me is like having absolute disapproval for someones actions or motives. Last time I checked, most of the imfamous people in history had some plausibility behind their 'wrong doings'.

I dislike many things, and I turn my cheek on many more, but hate is too strong of a word for me.

[Collapse]

Because all lovey-dovey things make me fucking sick </intensehatred>.

No seriously, it does. That and because you've come to envy/fear/detest anyone who is better than you and/or someone who gains an advantage over you.

Hate is something I can attest to. People tell me that hate "is wrong! Don't hate!!!11" but no, hate is a part of human nature. No being is of full love to me anyway.

And no, I'm not bitter. Just getting sick from all these "non-hatred" things basically.

[Beowulf]

I learned to hate at about the same time people were trying to kill me. The world isn't the happy place lots of people like to pretend it is.

[Josh]

William Dafoe?

LOLOL..

I'm sorry man, thats funny as hell :)


Its all because of this horrible movie he and Madonna did several years back. I cant remember the exact name of it, I think it was the Body of the Evidence or some crap like that. That movie actually inspired the list lol.

[bigchris1313]

Why do people hate? A variety of reasons.

Why do I hate?

I hate because of the only proper reason one would hate: I despise the violations of moral absolutes.

Example: murder, the unlawful killing of one human by another, is wrong. If a person were to kill someone close to me, except in an act of self-defense, I would hate the murderer. Period. If I were to witness someone murder my mother, brother, or father, I am almost sure that I would kill him. I would tear him limb from limb.

I would hate him.

[Kass]

Hate is a wasteful, energy draining, soul sucking emotion. To actively hate someone diminishes you in some small way. It keeps you focused on a very negative, unattractive feeling. Negativity in a person is off-putting.

There are people I dislike. There are things I find revolting. There's one person who just royally pisses me off. If I were to allow myself to hate them and focus on them in such anegative way, I'd be negative as well. I'drather be happy.

I don't waste my time on hating. It's more effort than those people are worth.

[cenanan]

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hatred leads to power.
Power leads to victory.
Let your anger flow through you.
Your hate will make you strong.
True power is only achieved through
testing the limits of one's anger,
passing through unscathed.
Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
The dark side of the Force
offers unimaginable power.
The dark side is stronger than the light.
The weak deserve their fate.


Yes, I acually registered an account just to post that ^.^

[King Kong]

Hate is a wasteful, energy draining, soul sucking emotion. To actively hate someone diminishes you in some small way. It keeps you focused on a very negative, unattractive feeling. Negativity in a person is off-putting.

There are people I dislike. There are things I find revolting. There's one person who just royally pisses me off. If I were to allow myself to hate them and focus on them in such anegative way, I'd be negative as well. I'drather be happy.

I don't waste my time on hating. It's more effort than those people are worth.

I agree wholeheartedly. Carrying a grudge on your shoulders requires a certain amount of energy, which in effect causes psychological stress.
Its somewhat absurd to hate someone whilst they are oblivious of the fact that you spend your time and effort contemplating and concentrating your hate towards that person.
To top it off, the stress can build up and cause psychological and biological stress, even an acute pulsation of stress can vibrate throughout your being.
Too many people waste their lives, knowing not how to live it properly. I may sound arrogant, but this is the ultimate truth.

[chad mullet]

I hate Dr Colin Reid of Paisley,Scotland.