Banned thread

[shimanotaka]

I don't know if I'm just plain stupid, but it seems to me like people have been getting banned from this forum without any public notice why. It's weird when people just disappear, in a Gestapo kind of way.

Should there be a thread where the banner explains why the bannee was banned?

No need when coming to one-time spam posters, but sometimes people that have been on the forum for months suddenly turn up as banned. It would be nice to know who banned him/her and why.

[PopCulturePooka]

No.

There shouldn't. Mods make decisions, and not lightly.

People are banned for reasons, chronic rule breakers etc.

I only know of two recent bans, both are people who had numerous complaints against them, for trolling. One also liked to stalk, post porn, abuse people, give out private details and threaten people.

[Bob]

Its cause citizen hates orphans

[Firefly]

I have to say I haven't noticed any major bans but General Admission and Bob. I don't know why Bob was banned (trolling, I guess? I found him funny. :blank:). But, I don't need a thread about it.

[MeneerDijk]

I personally can see the benefits of a place where people can see what the mods actually do, our work isn't secretive. But it also gives the idea of a heavily policed forum, where people are persecuted in public. We are always happy to answer your questions about how and why, as long as it's done through pm. It's bad enough someone got himself banned, don't need to waste more space on the person. And trust us, if someone gets banned it's with just cause.

[Collapse]

The drama doesn't occur in General, it's down there by the Padded Walls as well as IRC. Quite a sight if you really take a look at what is going on.

I concur on the "alert the community" thing when someone gets a ban. Professional explaination is a must like banning someone for "incredulous behavior" and the like, not "oh? he's a fucking ass. That shitlicker actually did so and so and majority of people thinks he's a bull in a china shop".

It'd be reasonable to see a banned list without bias at the least.

[PopCulturePooka]

Why?
What purpose does it serve for the rest of us to se a banned list? Beyond a saking of our own curiosities.

[Collapse]

I'm just pointing out that it'd be of good interest. But if the moderators chose to ban the person and I'd ask why, I'd really like an answer, not "because".

[shimanotaka]

It's not that I want to gloat or anything. Like Collapse said, "incredulous behavior" and similar would be enough. It just feels like it would be more civilzed to notify the community that a person has "left", than to just quietly ban him and let the rest of the community find out for themselves and then sit around wondering what happened.

I'm well aware that this forum isn't a democracy in any way, and that we have no rights to claim, but still, the way people get banned now, I associate with the way of working of the secret police in a dictature; cause too much trouble and you're gone without a trace, like you never existed. *being overdramatic*
:gangster: :frypan:

[PopCulturePooka]

I think you are being way over dramatic.

The banned people were OBVIOUS troublemakers or spammers. They had cause lots of trouble with people and had numerous public warnings. Most forums I visit theres no reason given for bannings etc. No need. All it really leads to is people questioning the mods, silly hypotheticals and unrest.

If your trust the mods here, you should trust that they don't ban lightly. Should be enough.

[mawande]

I never noticed anyone banned. But then, I don't pay attention to the posts I dislike.

[Jay]

So far, I think General_Admission and caseylim are the only ones to actually MAKE it onto the permaban list.

God how I miss Casey Lim.

[Decade]

As soon as I saw this one I thought it was Bob.

But I guess he's like a case of herpes. Once you think you get rid of em they pop right back out.

[Jay]

Bob's the funniest guy here, no exceptions. He should never be banned again. :mad:

[gentlemanandscholar]

Why did General_Admission get banned?

[Cool Bones]

Why did General_Admission get banned?

he posted pics of baby circumption with the bloody penis and the knives ugh
and I think he treatened meenerdijk

[Hage]

Dedicating a thread to it is kinda unnecessary and the reason for the ban should only be answered when asked.

[Masa the Masta]

If they posted a thread about baby circumcision, it should say something about their mental condition... :boggled:

[Unknown]

It wasn't about baby circumcision. The thread was started by someone who is going to get a circumcision and wanted advice.

[Jay]

It had more to do with signing a member up for harrassing telemarker bombardment, endorsing rape, and the approximate dozen other against the rules pictures that he posted in his time here.

When not being a total knob, he was actually an alright bloke.

[Kaji]

Only real bans I've noticed have been people popping in to advertise and leave, personally...

[chad mullet]

What is "trolling"???

[h2orowe]

If it was like the secret police, IRT banning, I'd have been banned a long time ago >_>; calling Az a sellout...

[Citizen]

If there was any real reason to make a public bannings thread, it would have been made by now.

[Duke Luke of Juke]

Nah, I think a ban thread could be fun.

We could create a gambling pool based around when bob will next be banned and how, and our buddy Citizen could post the details up in the thread each time he bans him...might even be able to pay off my school loans with all of the money I'd be winning.

[JudoPorkChop]

I think you are being way over dramatic.

The banned people were OBVIOUS troublemakers or spammers. They had cause lots of trouble with people and had numerous public warnings. Most forums I visit theres no reason given for bannings etc. No need. All it really leads to is people questioning the mods, silly hypotheticals and unrest.

If your trust the mods here, you should trust that they don't ban lightly. Should be enough.

Wow.

Um...

I'd love to find a reason to disagree here, but there ain't one. Mods don't fling around INCREDABUL MOD POWARR 'round these parts. If someone gets themselves banned, one would think they deserved it.

[PriestPei]

Since V2, the HLC (one of my old boards) had a Deathrow section for people who were banned. You either had three strikes out or banned instantly regardless, depending on the gravity of the situation. The entire forum took their ToS extremely seriously, out of sheer necessity. People kept posting content in the wrong places, or the wrong content altogether. Some were trolling or had made first-post requests, etc. Therefore it was necessary to have a section documenting each strike or ban given in chronological order for all members of the board, with details on exactly what part of the ToS they had broken or something else they'd done.

In V3 the three-strikes format was nixed in favor of a 100 point HP bar, as some forum regulars voiced their concerns that there wasn't enough scope in distinguishing between less serious and more serious offenses. Warnings were meted out in multiples of ten. There were still a few things one could do to warrant an instant kill, however.

Mind you, this board had at least ten thousand members in any of its versions. Not many of them were inactive or content leechers or alts (IP bans were not commonplace) or accounts from invading communities, but percentages can translate into a lot, so it was much more important to be efficient in being a moderator. We had about six or seven, plus two admins. Around mid-V2, a bandwith meter was set in place to regulate the leeching problem as well as to get more lurkers to contribute.

The HLC will be back up in the next month or so, when they recieve their dedicated package. If you wish, there's a cross-section of its early days, shed in a more negative light on the SA Weekend Web archives.

EDIT: Something else I've forgotten...if someone donated ten dollars to the board, they were able to be unbanned (the board IRC channel is almost never down, and it's not an indulgence system either...you mess up, you get banned again). There's only been four cases in which this has ever happened, two of which involved me donating on someone else's behalf. The only exception that I can think of is if someone is revealed to be under 18. The board's approach to regulating this is somewhat loose, in that someone could get an account and enter a false birthdate, but if there's ever something suspicious in someone's post or they try to joke about being underage, a zero tolerance policy is applied, which is what involved my intercession on one of the four occasions.

[Nights_into_dreams]

I trust the admins here, if for no other reason than because of the fact that they are willing to post in the forums, and talk to us on IRC in an ordinary fashion.

I honestly don't think we need a public "shaming" of these people. Why give them the attention that they deserve? I am only aware of two people that got banned- Eyez and GA, and I honestly think they deserved it.

I trust Az, Meener (despite his taste in music), Kass, and Citizen to do their jobs, and to do them well. After all...if we can't trust the mods here, then why are we all still posting on this site?

[PriestPei]

I too appreciate their involvement with posting, and that they don't portray themselves as some arbitrary power. That's comforting and refreshing.

In the old board there was something like that. For each of the forum categories we had on the board, there were certain members who exercised a level of discipline and good judgement in their posts, so that as the board grew, they were offered to become moderators. It was especially surprising if you were new, as you had no idea that these people who fit right in were actually in positions to do something if the occasion arose.

[Kass]

With the exception of spambots who register solely to pimp their scams, precious few, meaning two, people have been banned. There's no reason for a thread just to talk about them and make fun of them.

[Jay]

What is "trolling"???

A 'troll' is generally a sarcastic, stinging remark designed to get the other person to bite and make a cock of themselves by yelling at you. Baiting, in other words.

[Nights_into_dreams]

A 'troll' is generally a sarcastic, stinging remark designed to get the other person to bite and make a cock of themselves by yelling at you. Baiting, in other words.

/nod

Just look at most of Jay's posts, for example.

:P

[Roxie]

ASK A MOD!

[Jay]

/nod

Just look at most of Jay's posts, for example.

:P

Damn right.

[Roxie]

What is "trolling"???
Urbandictionary.com defines "Trolling" as

Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
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Example:
Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most retarded thread in existence."

Jay is more of an instigator...he doesn't start the trouble, but supports it.

[Jay]

Hey, I start my fair share thank you. But start, support or stir the fire, I love a good drama as much as the next man. :D

[Roxie]

I love a good drama as much as the next man. :D
psh, more than the next woman is more like it

[Jay]

A good verbal stoush is delicious. Who am I to break the combatants apart? :D

[King Kong]

Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most retarded thread in existence."

Lawl. Coolest ninja pencil ftw!

[Jay]

? :eyepop:

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/60056842/Images/laserpointer.jpg

[PriestPei]

I hadn't clarified it, but if any board is to have a deathrow at all, it should not be a postable thread other than what the moderators update on it.

[Mastiker]

we've had two permanent bans, which isn't enough for a death row, and countless spam bot bans which isn't interesting enough for a death row :P

[Jay]

I think General_Admission is the only permanent ban so far, aside from all the advertisers.

[Mastiker]

someone said that... *glances over review* dammit... someone else was banned though, i'm sure of it X_X

[Jay]

Bob. But he got unbanned.

[Mastiker]

i have solved the mystery of the "who said that other person was banned?":watson: and...

So far, I think General_Admission and caseylim are the only ones to actually MAKE it onto the permaban list.

God how I miss Casey Lim.

it was you!

[Jay]

Oh yeah, I forgot that post.

I still miss Casey Lim and his weird sex questions.

[Mastiker]

i don't think i remember casey lim... oh! i do. sort of. not really.

hey, was eyez0nme banned permanently?

[Jay]

I don't think so. Only Azrael has the power to permaban. Unless he handled eyez0nme, I think he's free to register another account.

Though, that account would get banned too.

[Mastiker]

but recently meener banned someone and said Hi Eyez0nme...closed
so does that mean he came back, or... gah. confused X_X

[Citizen]

Caseylin - Perma
Bob - IP, if Az ever gets around to it.
GA - IP
Eyez - IP

There, there's your list. =D

Locked, for not being needed.