World War III? Not Far From the Truth.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

There are things in the world that are happening that are a bit concerning. People have been ignoring it for a while now and I think it should be brought into the light.

Did anyone think the situation with Iraq was stupid and a bit nutty? Well look at the situation of Iran. Iran repeaditly has stated that they will wipe Israel, our allies, off of the map. But how? One would worry about the growing capabilities of nuclear power. We already know now that we have had plans to attack Iran if given an extreamly good reason. What will this cause?

At this moment, of course, Iran, Syria (I think), and Palistine have been working together to take care of the Israel "issue". Recently as well Iran has claimed to have trained 40,000 suicide bombers http://www.ibnlive.com/news/suicide_squads_on_alert_in_iran/8297-2.html to attack US and UK targets. Should this concern you? Yes.

If we are to be attacked again we of course will find the source which will most likely be Iran. We attack or if UK attacks we back them up. If we attack the UK will back us up and probably most of the European Union. Know what also is scary? Russia is great allies with Iran.

Recently Russia has be critisizing the US: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0417/p06s02-woeu.html Slipping us into a former chill.

Iran is attacked and Russia will back Iran up. It is speculated that China will jump in a back Russia (speculated of course I kinda have my doubts).

With a large war situation going on there is no telling what the hell OUR country is going to do. Patriot Act anyone? Think its bad now? I think they will make it worse.

Scared yet?

[Zonehunter1]

Let's see what wiki has to say on WWIII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWIII

[Cool Bones]

Hmm.. I'm not scared, I'll just go to a random third world country

[Zonehunter1]

Heard international waters are nice this time of year.
good time to buy an island somewhere.

[Jay]

Let's see what wiki has to say on WWIII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWIII

Arg, I don't have the patience to wade through all that! O_O

[Monkey]

We attack or if UK attacks we back them up. If we attack the UK will back us up and probably most of the European Union. Know what also is scary? Russia is great allies with Iran.


I very much doubt that the UK will be attacking anyone for a looong time. I also doubt that the EU will back America on anything.

[shimanotaka]

The funny/scary thing is that Nostradamus foretold that WWIII would start with Russia and the Middle East joining together and suddenly attacking Europe...

[c-rex]

Scared Yet?
No, not really.

Prior to the Gulf War Iraq had the world's third largest standing army and an assload of hardware. Yet the Iraqi Airforce still fled to Iran rather than face America and the Iraqi Army was decimated. Since that period America's military power has increased, introduction of systems such as the Patriot II that interdict most older Warsaw Pact style cruise missiles, British jets that forget to turn their transponders on, etc. Notice how Saddam's SCUDs did jack shit vs American troops in the Gulf War II. Also we have the M1A2, the F-22A, newer Block IIIC TLAMs and TSAMs, etc. Occupying Iran, Syria and Palestine [the hell you bitching about Palestine for? Palestine is a bunch of Arabs living in squalor in the West Bank and Gaza sniping at the IDF, they have no internal industry to build any type of fighting force that is not totally beholden to external interests] is out for us, but reducing those countries to rubble is entirely within our capabilities. My main fear of a strike at Iran is we'll FUBAR it and hit a children's hospital instead of the research facility.

As a bonus note: the M1A2 was designed for desert / open region combat and its frontal armor stops about ~80% of all Warsaw Standard rounds, such as those fired by the T-72. The M1A2 also has superior range, the ability to call in supporting fire from artillery, Apaches, etc. The Israeli Merkava has about the same standards, although the armor is weaker.

Now onto Russia. The Russia that needs American and Canadian grain to feed its people, the Russia that is so broken it is selling off carriers, using Kirovs as nuclear power plants in port cities, can't beat the Chechyna rebels etc. So now you're claiming I should be afraid that these Russians are going to react a joint US / UK / EU / NATO attack on Iran by backing them up? The hell they are. We toss Russia some bones, such as pulling troops of the Central Asian 'Stans, a bigger economic bailout package and they'll be sitting on the sidelines. Iran getting support from Russia likely means that Russia will sell Iran a shitload of twenty year old military hardware that will be reduced to smoking rubble by good NATO stuff and enough AKs and RPGs to run a decent insurgency if we do occupy Iran.

Now China, the China for example whose Navy relies on a bastardized Crotale II system to provide missile defense on their newest Type 052B Destroyers? Two American Carrier groups, six hours and goodbye Chinese Navy. How the hell is China going to project power and hel Iran anyways? They have no bluewater capability in the naval sense. Although I have to admit China has a lot of MiG-29s and Su-27s which could be trouble for any strikes we would direct at them. But why would China want to lose millions of dollars a day in trade with the West over Iran? If anything China is likely going to make local powerplays while America is otherwise occupied (Spratly Islands come to mind).

In conculsion:
Iran is likely going to bombed and pissed off. Quite possibly invaded. So when the Marine recruiter told me I'd get to go exotic places he wasn't lying.

Russia and China are not going to go to the war with the West over some pissant Muslim state that is angering most of the world with its unstable nuclear plans. The Chinese are cool for the most part as long as you stay out of their sphere of influence, and Iran is not part of that sphere. Russia is still pissed at the Iranians for funding the rebels in Chechnya anyways.

Syria, Iran and the like can try to solve the Israeli issue, but the Middle East vs Israel has been done before and has resulted in the Middle East getting its ass handed to it multiple times. The balance power hasn't shifted enough in the Middle East's favor for them to have a prayer.

[Jiant Flying Panda]

WW3 won't even be a war at all; at least not in the traditional sense. It will most likely be a conflict that will last less than 5 hours where dominent powers in the world will put out the big guns from the get go.

I highly doubt it'll be like the war fought by The Greatest Generation.

And no Im not scared.

The funny/scary thing is that Nostradamus foretold that WWIII would start with Russia and the Middle East joining together and suddenly attacking Europe...

Yeah I heard of that. But now that Russia is our allies (or at least we think they are) it will probably be China or N. Korea.

[Jay]

Yeah I heard of that. But now that Russia is our allies (or at least we think they are) it will probably be China or N. Korea.

Russia will most likely back Iran, as stated...

In all seriousness though, I've always agreed with JFP's line of thinking - every country's gonna nuke the shit out of eachother and the world will be left a blazing wreck.

Aside from Australia. Last I checked we didn't have nukes. ^_^

[Jay]

Best video ever. :D

[andrewt]

it will probably be China or N. Korea.
agreed.

and not scared. we know for at least 2 years china won't do crap. they want them 2008 olympics so bad they can taste it.

[Jay]

Haha! .

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Long rant.

I'm not worried WHAT the countries will do. I'm sure that Iran could be left into a smoking crater from our power.

I'm more worried about the effects of such war and after effects of such war. You think with terrorism that we are NOT going to lose personal freedoms? Wake up. We already have.

[Fish]

How about US stop stirring shit outside of USA? Mind their business, improve their education system so less xenophobic "non-white = evil" ppl. What causes all that is because Iraq's war has proven that no country is safe unless they have WMD, NATO can't do jack shit about US's action and US can use the pre-emptive excuse to attack anyone in the world. So while you guys are spreading your troop thin fighting in Afgan and Iraq, they are hurrying to get their hands on nuclear weapons before you guys finish the Iraq business. Even if a WWIII breaks out, it will always be US fault this time.

[Angelyne]

Funny, I was just reading an article about Halliburton building large scale detention centers (http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0418-27.htm) before I read this thread.

The source is iffy, but there have been reports and pictures over the last several years of FEMA building similar detention centers, so I can't say I'm suprised.

[Daie]

If we are to be attacked again we of course will find the source which will most likely be Iran.

North Korea disappeared?


We attack or if UK attacks we back them up.

Not going to happen.

If we attack the UK will back us up and probably most of the European Union.

Better do it before Labour loses the next election. Public opinion is unlikely to justify following to another war. France and Germany won;t be happy 'bout it either, unless you're depending on 'New Europe' again.

Know what also is scary? Russia is great allies with Iran.

I'd worry more about China then Russia.

I'm not worried WHAT the countries will do. I'm sure that Iran could be left into a smoking crater from our power.

Oh, thanks. I needed a giggle. Moral of today's tale: don't piss off nuclear powers. War with Iran will lead to retaliations. The lessons of the Cold War don't apply here. The Russians were reasonable. They were interested in looking after their own people. Nuke Iran, and all they'll care about is making the US go kaboom, nuclear stylee



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The funny/scary thing is that Nostradamus foretold that WWIII would start with Russia and the Middle East joining together and suddenly attacking Europe...

He also predicted the invention of chocolate digestives, the tin can, and jell-o. Nostradamus is so vague, you can claim he predicted anything.

[NERD]

Yeah I heard of that. But now that Russia is our allies (or at least we think they are) it will probably be China or N. Korea.

I wouldn't bet the farm with N.Korea. It has the hardware to wage a war, but I don't think highly of the troops morale, since they've been starving for years. Do you know what the average monthly salary for North Koreans is? About a dollar, more or less. A lot of people are defecting from North Korea and escaping into China- China has been helping N.Korea keep mum about that though.

China sounds more likely, but since they rely a good portion of their economy on foreign investments, I'm not sure about that one either. Japan-China relations have been tepid, if not frigid recently.

I don't think a World War III is imminent. There's too much to lose nowadays, and I don't think most people would be up for war.

[Tenlaius]

Heard international waters are nice this time of year.
good time to buy an island somewhere.

may i join you?

although we should stalk up on supplies before moving in >.>
food and such..lots of batteries..and whatnot.
maybe guns...who knows

[The_Penguin]

At this moment, of course, Iran, Syria (I think), and Palistine have been working together to take care of the Israel "issue". Recently as well Iran has claimed to have trained 40,000 suicide bombers http://www.ibnlive.com/news/suicide_squads_on_alert_in_iran/8297-2.html to attack US and UK targets. Should this concern you? Yes.
The mullahs have always blamed the jews and westerners for all of their problems, this is hardly anything new. They're simply flashier now than ever before.
If we are to be attacked again we of course will find the source which will most likely be Iran. We attack or if UK attacks we back them up. If we attack the UK will back us up and probably most of the European Union. Know what also is scary? Russia is great allies with Iran.
Iran has money, but no high-tech weapons. Russia has high-tech weapons, but no money. Need I go further?
Recently Russia has be critisizing the US: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0417/p06s02-woeu.html Slipping us into a former chill.
What else is new?! We've hardly been the best buddies with Russia. You think the old cold-war mentality has long died? Think again. Russia wants its thunder back of being big and bad.
Iran is attacked and Russia will back Iran up. It is speculated that China will jump in a back Russia (speculated of course I kinda have my doubts).
No, not really. Russia has too much to lose to back the Iranians. That and it won't declare war on us since it can't afford it and it's getting alot of its money from the west in terms of sales of oil and natural gas.

China? Umm... no. Where do you think all of that crap that's stuffed on the shelves of walmart comes from? China will bitch to the UN and will 'protest' and crap like that, but they won't do jack. They have a $202 billion trade surplus with us, jeapordizing that would be beyond retarted.
With a large war situation going on there is no telling what the hell OUR country is going to do. Patriot Act anyone? Think its bad now? I think they will make it worse.

Scared yet?
No. Not really. A scarier and more realistic scenario would be more terrorist attacks (such as you've pointed out at the beginning of your post) and maybe even a dirty nuke bomb of some sort going off in a major western city. If that were to ever happen here, Iran would probably be done in a few weeks.

[The_Penguin]

agreed.

and not scared. we know for at least 2 years china won't do crap. they want them 2008 olympics so bad they can taste it.
China won't be able to do jack for 30+ years. They've made strides in their military capability lately, but that's because their military was in the crapper for god-knows how many decades due to Mao's retarted policies.

[The_Penguin]

The Israeli Merkava has about the same standards, although the armor is weaker.
Actually, their armor is much stronger than that of an Abrams. It's probably the best defended tank in the world.

[SDSUMarcus01]

I sincerely doubt China will back Russia if it's a move against the US because China's become very economically minded as of recently... and most of its economic opportunities are from the US.

[Komachi Angel]

I'm hardly as educated on all the intricate lines of politics floating around at the moment, but I've often wondered on this myself. WWII began with a lot of political manuvering and side-taking before it took off in full, and I have thought on more than one occassion that the current situation is quite similar.

However, I find it hard to believe there will be another war of such a scale. It may not be written off completely, but when it comes down to it, I think people in general realise what a full-scale nuclear war could do. And I don't think anyone wants that. True, there may be those who don't fear the possible consequences and go ahead with it, but I would like to think that even so most countries will show the common sense not to start pushing buttons like mad.

When it comes down to it, I am hoping quite greatly that while the nuclear bomb is a terrible device, there existence remains a political device, not a military one.

[Idlethought]

*applause* for carrick first off for that, he pretty much said everything. I just wanna add that China would be out of their minds to go against their newest and closest business partners as of late, the US. So who does Iran really have to back them up? If there really was to be an all out war, us with our allies vs theirs, it would be a massacre.

Not that I'm for a war of any kind, I just know that if an all out war was to break out, it would be akin to me and my friends stepping on a colony of ants.

[Daie]

The war itself wouldn't be the problem,it's dealing with the shit afterwards that is the problem. Besides, if the Iraqis are still killing soldiers, imagine what an entire country of hostile people would do to any occupation force.

I'd rather not see any more British soldiers killed in a pointless war.

[Jay]

Any soldiers, for that matter...

[Morel]

If China/Russia thought they could defeat the US without the nukes flying.. They do it in a heartbeat. Since the rulers of those countries wouldn't be the ones that would suffer in the economic aftermath..

But, as long as the US doesn't drop nukes first, or any of the other "major powers" Nobodies going to launch a full scale war anywhere..

Now limited wars, like Korea, and Vietnam? It's a possibility.. China/Russia supplying forces with arms and "Advisors".. It's been done before..

[Radiance]

I concur with Carrick. The most likely result is some people at the UN getting pissed off and China making local power plays.

[tamachan]

I think all you guys should read this!

240 000 turkish troops are on the Iran and Iraq border as we speak moved into positions yesterday. The Iranian regime will fall very soon and maybe from within give it 3 months and no more IR.




http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78855

[Blah]

I don't have to worry, i live in sweden, we never go to war and noone gives a shit about us. If they do attack, they will probably mistake Switzerland as Sweden

[tamachan]

I don't have to worry, i live in sweden, we never go to war and noone gives a shit about us. If they do attack, they will probably mistake Switzerland as Sweden


Sweden has occupying troops (peacekeepers) in quite a number of places.