View Full Version : United 93: To soon or let it be?
Decade
04-19-2006, 02:14 PM
There's been a lot of talk lately about the new 9/11 movie coming out, a lot of people are uncomfortable with the movie being released, regardless of the fact that the families of the people they portray in the movie have ok'd it (I think a few even wanted this film to be released).
I'm just looking for a general concensus as to how people feel about this movie.
Personally, I'm not really comfortable at the moment with the thought of this becoming a movie so soon, simply because I don't trust hollywood to do a good job with it. Not only that, I do feel just a little bit of general discomfort on the subject, but I can accept that at some time people are gonna have to deal with this and there will be movies like this that come out (like World War II, eventually people are gonna be seeing films based on it).
Opinions?
I don't particularly care about the timing, I'm uncomfortable with the movie. BUT. That is a personal thing. Being as close as I was to the Pentagon and the intended target, and that I'm a pretty emotional creature, I am still find it extremely difficult to watch these things. If others aren't, I think it is fine for them to make the movie or watch it.
I'm Australian. While devastating, I've never felt any kind of connection with the victims, or even with the average American citizen's feelings toward the disaster.
I'd feel fine watching the movie.
l337moomoo
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
it looks like a good movie, but it also looks like a movie made to get money from people, but i dont really care...
gyoza
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
I was living in Singapore when it happened, so like Jay I didn't experience the disaster on the same scale as Americans. Having been here for a couple years now I can see why releasing the movie at this time might be a sensitive topic, but I say if the families of the victims 'ok'd it, then it really should be fine.
Roxie
04-19-2006, 02:47 PM
It's too soon. Even though from the previews it looks like it was excellently done, it makes me very, very, very uncomfortable.
It's too soon. Even though from the previews it looks like it was excellently done, it makes me very, very, very uncomfortable.
Why is that?
Roxie
04-19-2006, 02:55 PM
1. It's just too soon
2. I'm not comfortable with people making profits off of anything that happend that day.
In the preview it says they have some kind of charitable foundation, but they want you to donate to it. Which means the ticket sales aren't going to it and that just made everything worse.
Im Australian, but only one in my family born here, I also grew up in America and have family that were envolved in the attacks. I was also flying on a United plane that day in heading to LA. I think it would be emotional for alot of people to watch myself included, but I dont think its to early for it to be done, depending on how they actually do it, they will probably end up making a joke out of it offending people and it being to hollywood. but hey..
Rogue_7
04-19-2006, 02:58 PM
I'm looking forward to it.
Why? Paul Greengrass.
Anybody who has seen his film Bloody Sunday knows that he can take a horrific real life tragedy and make a film that is impactful, insightful, fair, tasteful, and riviting. He is not in this for exploitation. Notice that there are no big names, no huge ad camapaigns. Its just a story of everyday people caught up in events that are maybe not quite beyond their control... Admittedly Bloody Sunday happened 30 years before the film was released, so I can see how the emotional trauma is still pretty raw for some people, but I certainly don't see this as tasteless or exploitative.
MeneerDijk
04-19-2006, 03:03 PM
I guess movies like this will always be painfull for a lot of people, so waiting much longer is futile i think. Heck i still cringe when i see images of the attacks, and i wasn't even there or personally affected by it.
Praetorian
04-19-2006, 03:12 PM
Like Jay and Gyoza, I don't particulary care. I'll probably end up renting it sometime. I don't have much of a connection to it. I feel horrible for the victims (which, to a certain extent, include most people living in the USA), of course. But it was already quite a while ago for me.
I think to some degree it might actually help people process and make peace with what happened today. Don't forget that the Vietnam war couldn't properly be processed in the minds of most Americans untill that day, close to 10 years later, that veterans started to build that memorial. After that, movies started to come that helped people to process what had actually happened many years earlier.
Perhaps it'll be the same here.
Roxie
04-19-2006, 03:13 PM
I guess movies like this will always be painfull for a lot of people, so waiting much longer is futile i think. Heck i still cringe when i see images of the attacks, and i wasn't even there or personally affected by it.
Yeah. That's probably how it'll be for me.
Documentaries and accounts on History channel I can deal with, but not a movie.
Personally, I say it's too soon. Everyone who'd be going out to see it remembers watching the attacks on the news the day it happened. Most people are frankly too jaded about it by this time, have coped with it their own way, or simply can't handle the reminder of their losses. You didn't see movies about Pearl Harbor before the war ended, did you? They all knew what it meant and its impact. It was the postwar generation that needed the reminder of its significance, and I think it's the same case here.
Xephon
04-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Considering the families of those on that plane were contacted and were asked if they approved of this movie getting made all before production and they all said yes gives me hope that this will be a very tasteful movie.
Nevermind their opinions are really all that matters, and if the families of people who died on that day are willing and accepting of this film, I have no problem with it.
Firefly
04-19-2006, 04:22 PM
There were veterans who said it was too early for Private Ryan, and for Pearl Harbor. There will always be people who can't handle it or get over it, and that's why they'll have to stay away from these kinds of movies. Hollywood will do what they will- there was going to be a movie about it someday. I may or may not see it, I still haven't decided yet. I want a movie that leans towards the facts of what happened, and not something that glorifies the Americans on the plane. (Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be American, but honestly, it's a bit much to have them go down in a display of blazing glory.)
I can see I'm going to cop shit for this, but I just want something that entertains me for a few hours. So long as it follows the general rule of planes > towers > collapse > fallout, I'm good.
Jiant Flying Panda
04-19-2006, 06:10 PM
I can see I'm going to cop shit for this, but I just want something that entertains me for a few hours. So long as it follows the general rule of planes > towers > collapse > fallout, I'm good.
Flight 93 is about the plane that crashed in PA.
Not the WTC or the Pentagon.
There you go. Just shows how little I know about it and how little it will affect me. My mistake.
I guess I don't really have a say in this, because of my lack of knowledge.
(off topic...)
Speaking of people killed in accidents, nice avatar, Panda...hehehe...
Angelyne
04-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Too soon for my tastes. At least wait a freaking decade before popping out bad movies about it. Then again, I liked to be entertained by movies. I don't think something so tragic and recent will be entertaining in the least.
I'll save my money for Snakes on a Plane, instead. :yes:
phat_al
04-19-2006, 08:33 PM
It's too late. I was surprised how late this film took to make. I thought only a couple of years after 9-11, but what a surprise.
Decade
04-19-2006, 09:25 PM
There you go. Just shows how little I know about it and how little it will affect me. My mistake.
I guess I don't really have a say in this, because of my lack of knowledge.
Actually Jay, you brought up a great point, most people I think DON'T know that this is the one to PA and are assuming this is the plane that hit the WTC or pentagon, even though it's clear knowledge that this flight was the flight of people who fought back against terrorists trying to fly to PA.
Regardless, while I agree with many points made for both arguments here, I think my biggest concern with the movie is that they'll make it to "hollywood." I felt they kinda did that with Ladder 49(?) when they tried to make a movie about "real heros...firefighters" and such.
Whatever, they probably did that with a lot of WWII movies as well (hell I bet most of you could give me a list). Regardless, I think it's different for Americans today because this was an event most people witnessed, unlike say World War II which is now about 60 years ago and most of the people from it who are still alive are old or deceased.
Unknown
04-19-2006, 09:29 PM
I never really connected with 9/11 and I live in America. I think that people who are young, overall, were not affected as much. I would be fine watching this movie.
MNJetter
04-19-2006, 10:16 PM
Regardless, I think it's different for Americans today because this was an event most people witnessed, unlike say World War II which is now about 60 years ago and most of the people from it who are still alive are old or deceased.
Yeah, but the movies and stuff for WWII started coming out well before that. I just did a quick browse on IMDB and started finding them as early as 1946 - less than a year after the war had ended.
For me personally, just like Unknown, even though I lived in America at the time, it was very far away and neither I nor any of my friends were connected to the event personally, so while we watched it on the news and were concerned and all that, it might as well have been in another country. I still wouldn't see the movie, but that's because I am an unapologetic escapist when it comes to my entertainment, and I loathe anything that might not have a classic happy ending.
Unknown
04-19-2006, 10:28 PM
At my school, none of the kids seemed to care about it(I think I was in 7th grade). It was like we were watching a boring movie. Some people were just happy that we didn't have to do anything in school. It kind of shocks me when you compare this to how some adults were acting. The ones I taked to were scared and sad. It hit them hard, while at the same time the kids were playing card games like nothing was happening.
Actually Jay, you brought up a great point, most people I think DON'T know that this is the one to PA and are assuming this is the plane that hit the WTC or pentagon, even though it's clear knowledge that this flight was the flight of people who fought back against terrorists trying to fly to PA.
The terrorists were trying to fly to DC. The intended target was the Capitol Building. They didn't make it and crashed in Pennsylvania.
The plane that hit the Pentagon was supposed to hit the White House, but people don't realize how small the White House really is and how hard it is to distinguish from other buildings from the air. The Pentagon was the back up target and is much easier to see.
Firefly
04-19-2006, 10:39 PM
At my school, none of the kids seemed to care about it(I think I was in 7th grade). It was like we were watching a boring movie. Some people were just happy that we didn't have to do anything in school. It kind of shocks me when you compare this to how some adults were acting. The ones I taked to were scared and sad. It hit them hard, while T the same time the kids were playing card games like nothing was happening.
7th grade? In 7th grade the kids were probably more worried about their hormones than anything. I was a Sophomore in high school in the west and we were all effected by it. The whole day teachers talked about it and had TV's going on in the classrooms, my Math teacher talked to us about problems with the towers collapsing, etc. I remember one girl had to leave class because she had an Uncle that worked in the towers, and she was in a mess because they didn't know if he was okay.
Roxie
04-19-2006, 10:42 PM
I was a freshman in college in the heart of atlanta. it was craziness.
CNagy
04-19-2006, 10:44 PM
I probably won't see it, but it doesn't seem too soon or too late (or even at just the right time, for that matter.) If it came out too soon, it could have been used as a propaganda film (the americans who stood up to the arab terrorists and died fighting instead of in defeat,) and as long as we are still in the generation that the event occurred in, I don't see it as too late.
It didn't affect me, though. And it's not that I am unsympathetic for anyone else's loss, I'm sure I could empathize with the individual families, but the sheer magnitude of the event in this day and age simply never computed. It remains surreal, and the body count remains a number-- a faceless group of unfortunates. That made it hard to feel one way or another. I was a freshman in College.
Not to mention, that time has alot of bad memories for me. America died for a time, democracy was forgotten, anyone who didn't support the popular opinion became unpatriotic, unamerican, and was told "love it or leave it." America became a fascist nation practically overnight, and we are still feeling the effects. That coupled with disturbing questions that were never answered (why did the towers look like they were taken down with a controlled series of explosions akin to a demolition? why does the official explaination say that the jet fuel, which burns at 2000 degrees fahrenheit, melted the interior steel support when those steel supports were able to withstand 3000 degree temperatures?) that is a time period that I do not like to think about too often.
Thankfully, though, this movie is about none of that. I still won't see the movie, but I am sure it will give some people a sense of closure, since we never did manage to catch the man who claimed credit for the attacks, Osama bin Laden.
Unknown
04-19-2006, 10:47 PM
I wonder how the ones who knew people on the flight would feel about this movie. It must be strange to see some actor play the role of a friend or family member.
CNagy
04-19-2006, 11:01 PM
There is a difference between giving an okay for the movie to be made, and watching someone portraying your son in his last moments. Yes, they agreed, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't feel strange for someone connected to the event to watch it. I'd be surprised if it didn't feel at all odd.
Unknown
04-19-2006, 11:10 PM
Thanks CNagy. Thats what I was going for.
I know that the families said ok, but it might still feel a bit off them.
MNJetter
04-19-2006, 11:15 PM
It kind of shocks me when you compare this to how some adults were acting.
So me being an adult at the time and acting the way I described in the post is invalid and shocks you, because you knew people who acted differently? :P
If you weren't talking to me, ignore this. But you posted right after mine and didn't specify who "you" is, so I can only assume you were.
Unknown
04-19-2006, 11:17 PM
So me being an adult at the time and acting the way I described in the post is invalid and shocks you, because you knew people who acted differently? :P
If you weren't talking to me, ignore this. But you posted right after mine and didn't specify who "you" is, so I can only assume you were.
Sorry, I hope you didn't get upset. The post wasn't aimed at you.
It was just about the adults that I talked to the day it was happening.
I need to work on my wording.
Renter
04-19-2006, 11:42 PM
Sad. Just sad. This is an excellent time for a propaganda movie, and any hollywood 9/11 movie will fail to be anything but that *sigh*.
PopCulturePooka
04-20-2006, 12:04 AM
There is a difference between giving an okay for the movie to be made, and watching someone portraying your son in his last moments. Yes, they agreed, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't feel strange for someone connected to the event to watch it. I'd be surprised if it didn't feel at all odd.
I saw an interview on TV with a woman whose sister was on the plane. She endorsed it quite well (as did her mother) and actually became good friends with the actress that played her sister.
As far as the movie being too soon or not. Not my place to see. Granted I think S11 did effect me a lot, and contrary to Jay's nonsense, most Aussies do have a knowledge of what happened that day (at least Urban and Suburban educated ones). I had friends online that were either in the WTC or pentagon or who had family there.
MSquared
04-20-2006, 12:16 AM
Well, for all of you who think it's too soon, just wait until August.
World Trade Center - August 11
Oliver Stone's 9/11 drama has a narrow dramatic focus: the rescue of two police officers (Nicolas Cage, Michael Pena) trapped in the rubble of one of the collapsed towers.
chad mullet
04-20-2006, 01:22 AM
[QUOTE=Decade...and most of the people from it who are still alive are old or deceased.[/QUOTE]
Being alive AND deceased!!.Just like "Zombie Jesus" perhaps??
chad mullet
04-20-2006, 01:25 AM
Actually Jay, you brought up a great point,
most of the people from it who are still alive are old or deceased.
Just like "Zombie Jesus"?
I had turned 18 the July before, and had actually stopped in the parking lot of the Pentagon at 8 that morning to turn around because I missed my exit by one on 395 going to Japanese that morning, so it was a bit hard to ignore that day...
Decade
04-20-2006, 03:27 AM
YES!!!
EXACTLY Like Zombie Jesus!
Take THAT Roman-Catholics, your saviors a zombie!
BushyDough
04-20-2006, 09:40 AM
I found this a few days ago. It poses some interesting questions. Take a loook Loose Change 911 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true)
phat_al
04-20-2006, 10:42 AM
You again with your conspiracy theories.
BushyDough
04-20-2006, 10:50 AM
Naw, Im a firm non-believer in the existence of time. The phenominological evidence suggests that it is always "now" and, therefore, everything is a memory. It would then follow that you are all in my immagination and I am really just having a conversation with myself...if such a thing as myself could be said to exist. :box:
/equip tinfoil hat
MNJetter
04-20-2006, 11:20 AM
Sorry, I hope you didn't get upset. The post wasn't aimed at you.
It was just about the adults that I talked to the day it was happening.
I need to work on my wording.
Naw, I just wasn't sure who it was aimed at, and wanted to make it clear that I was qualified to talk about adults being relatively unaffected if it was aimed at me.
Honestly, it didn't even occur to me when you first posted about not being affected that you were that young at the time. I'm still not used to being outside the current generation of adolescants. :P
(at least Urban and Suburban educated ones)
Hah! Implied burn. Jay, you gonna take that? ;)
Jiant Flying Panda
04-20-2006, 06:01 PM
(off topic...)
Speaking of people killed in accidents, nice avatar, Panda...hehehe...
lol, thanks.
Hitokage
04-20-2006, 11:37 PM
I just think that they're going to make it too... hollywood. And those 9-11 videos about how its a whole government thing are... weirdly accurate and have alot of good points...
Biggest question I have: how could an airplane, at 20k+ feet actually have a call connect and stay on it that long?
Radiance
04-20-2006, 11:48 PM
Well, personally I support it if the families of the victims support it. However, lets just say the release of this movie doesn't help my pre-flight anxiety since i'm taking my first flight in about two weeks. Hell, i'm already freaked out about a huge metal object flying through the air against gravity. I know well how they function, doesn't change the fact it scares the shit out of me.
BushyDough
04-21-2006, 03:22 AM
Biggest question I have: how could an airplane, at 20k+ feet actually have a call connect and stay on it that long?
30k feet is regular crusing altitude for a comercial jet and to answer your question the chance of a call connecting at that altitude is less than 1/100.
After the terrorists took over the planes, they weren't cruising at normal altitudes. It's kind of hard to hit a building when you're at 30,000 feet. People use the air to ground phones during flights all the time, especially at cruising altitude.
Beowulf
04-21-2006, 10:31 AM
As a business major let me make my opinion perfectly clear here:
When Hollywood makes a movie, Hollywood does so to make money. Hollywood does not do so to "tell stories." This is about exploiting a national tragedy but since they wrapped it in the pretty paper and bows of supposed acceptance then its okay. Why do you think Mel Gibson made Passion of the Christ? Because he's a good christian? Hell no, its so he could make a quarter of a billion dollars and buy his own private island (which he did make, and he is doing). Of course I'm sure the monetary incentives given to the families certainly helped them decide whether they wanted to give their approval or not (I think a whole 10% goes to the families involved).
Considering how much money this movie is going to make, 10% is an awful lot.
Beowulf
04-21-2006, 07:44 PM
Considering how much money this movie is going to make, 10% is an awful lot.
No kidding.
You want proof that this is exploitation? Take a look at the movie poster:
http://www.impawards.com/2006/posters/united_ninety_three.jpg
Jesus Christ, the only way that could get more exploitative is if they had a crying firefighter with a bald eagle on his shoulder. They should also add the message:
"If you don't see this movie, then the terrorists win..."
dimfeld
04-22-2006, 04:05 AM
I think it's too soon, but not because it's offensive to the memories of the victims or anything like that. I just don't see the point in making a docudrama about something that happened less than 5 years ago.
I watched the news as it happened, and I read about it afterwards. (And I visited New York and the WTC for the first time just two weeks before 9/11, which was a little creepy.) I remember it fairly well. Why should I need to see Hollywood's take on it?
Maybe it will be good. Maybe it will be worth seeing. But until I hear otherwise, it just seems unnecessary.
Beowulf
04-22-2006, 09:25 AM
Bastards took down my hotlink image!
Here is reprint in text form if you read my post but didn't see the image:
http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/364974.1020.A.jpg
Praetorian
04-22-2006, 03:39 PM
EDIT: I just saw the current results of the poll. That so many people "Don't really care" about this is, in my feeling, wrong. You guys need to take a break from your computers and start caring. Be human.
Would you as an American care about a Dutch movie around the assassination of Pim Fortuyn? Or the assassination on Theo van Gogh? Or perhaps a Dutch movie around the fireworks accident in Enschede which killed 22 people, injured far more, and left thousands of people homeless?
Be honest here.
Xephon
04-22-2006, 06:39 PM
BTW, the 10% is for The Flight 93 National Memorial, so the families don't receive any of the profits. They didn't ask either. So get your facts straight beowulf. As for the poster, what did you want? A plain white background with the title? I mean, god forbid they'd have an outline of New York and the Statue of Liberty in a movie about 9/11! And captions actually telling the potential viewer what it's about! Shocking!
I extremely doubt this movie will do too well in the box office. Too many people still have that day fresh in their mind. It's interesting that the people closest to the tragedy are the adamant supporters while those who probably have no close connection to the passengers react negatively to this movie.
I probably won't be seeing it in theaters, probably on dvd.
Now Oliver Stone's 9/11 movie, that I'm worried about. Probably some quack consipiracy about how the New York government planned the whole thing or some crapshit.
Beowulf
04-22-2006, 07:22 PM
BTW, the 10% is for The Flight 93 National Memorial, so the families don't receive any of the profits.
My bad, but not the point, a buy-off is a buy-off.
They didn't ask either.
I'm curious as to how you know this.
As for the poster, what did you want? A plain white background with the title? I mean, god forbid they'd have an outline of New York and the Statue of Liberty in a movie about 9/11! And captions actually telling the potential viewer what it's about! Shocking!
Perhaps the names of the unfortunate souls on the plane. Perhaps an image from the film of the passengers in their seats or attacking the hijackers. But perhaps you could remind me of what the hell the Statue of Liberty has to do with 9/11 in the first place, let alone the plane that didn't crash anywhere near New York. And look closely champ, those towers in the background are completely undamaged. They just have some kind of smoke coming off the tops of them. The photo isn't even from 9/11 let alone does it have anything to do with the plane that crashed in PA.
I extremely doubt this movie will do too well in the box office.
Ha, BS it won't. Check out this IMDB "review" of the movie:
Life-Changing, 20 April 2006
9/10
Author: dynapoleon from San Diego, CA
Probably the best movie of the year! This movie handles the many different emotions it brings to the surface in a professional and technically proficient way - it is one of the most well-crafted "docu-dramas" I have ever seen. We sit in the plane with the heroes of that day, we watch it unfold from the perspectives of the flight controllers and NORAD, we feel the confusion, the torment, and ultimately, the victory in the end. It is a great commentary on the human spirit and a great achievement in cinematography and editing. Paul Greengrass has opened up a dialogue that hopefully will never stop - a positive dialogue about that horrible day.
Seriously. And if you think thats nutty then check some of the posts in the forums:
Recent Posts (updated daily)
Is anyone else uncomfortable with this movie coming out? just_checking_with_you
Absurd Exploitation Anyone???
ChickenRuggles
Liberals upset with this movie because...
blue_state_conservatives
All Americans must see 'United 93'
freesprtmc
If 9/11 was carried out by the government......
Bad_Dude
Two words: SHOT. DOWN.
dbreckman
This movie is gonna make some big bucks, just like they knew it would.
Xephon
04-22-2006, 07:43 PM
A positive review doesn't equate to big box office earnings.
Reading some of those comments...yeesh, I wonder what it's like in their heads. Maybe some of them still believe Roswell. :P
Rogue_7
04-23-2006, 02:16 AM
Would you as an American care about a Dutch movie around the assassination of Pim Fortuyn? Or the assassination on Theo van Gogh?
Actually I would like a movie on those subjects, especially the hit on Theo van Gogh. I think that is a fascinating study of the clash between western style freedoms of expression and middle easten repression and retaliation.
Roxie
04-23-2006, 02:34 AM
Would you as an American care about a Dutch movie around the assassination of Pim Fortuyn? Or the assassination on Theo van Gogh? Or perhaps a Dutch movie around the fireworks accident in Enschede which killed 22 people, injured far more, and left thousands of people homeless?
Be honest here.
Actually, I've read quite a few articles on Theo and I find the story intersting. I would definently see a movie about him.
I don't know who Pim was, but I'm always willing to learn.
Lots of Americans saw Hotel Rwanda, btw!!
Beowulf
04-23-2006, 09:47 AM
Lots of Americans saw Hotel Rwanda, btw!!
Don Cheadle was great in that. The scene where he's trying to put on his tie but he's so stressed out that his hands shake like leaves in the wind. Brilliant.
Decade
04-23-2006, 02:52 PM
I think the one thing we've all forgotten about this movie is:
If you don't wanna see it cause it's to soon, don't watch it.
I'm probably doing that myself, but I'll feel kinda guilty about it, as you know they make it almost seem like it's your patriotic duty to watch this movie.
...but I don't trust hollywood.
NumSkull
04-23-2006, 07:06 PM
America is a better country than the Netherlands.
Why?
We, as a nation, economically, politically and militaristicly, have more power than Poland, therefor more important.
9/11 wasn't just an attack on America...it was an attacked on Western ideals, politics, cutoms and beliefs. Tell me, how many other nationalities perished in the Dutch fireworks explosion? How many wars were spawned because of it?
9/11 was a turning point. It shifted the goals of our military and our nation. No longer do we fear a communist invasion, but now rogue governments and groups of extremists bent on our destruction, along with our allies.
That's the significance of 9/11 to the world.
Thanks.
Praetorian
04-23-2006, 07:22 PM
I'm not even going to try and debate to you exactly why the Netherlands (or more specifically, the European Union) is, in my opinion, a far better nation to live in than the United States. This is not the thread for it, and even if it were, it's not like it'd change your mind anyway. And I respect that. If you choose to honestly believe your nation is somehow better than mine, I'm OK with that. Your opinion doesn't affect my life in the least.
Nor am I going to try and explain to you why I couldn't care less about a Hollywood film being made about the United Airlines Flight 93.
In case you didn't notice, this thread is about a film being made about the efforts of the people aboard the United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. Not about 11/9 and its effects on the world.
NumSkull
04-23-2006, 07:26 PM
I'm not even going to try and debate to you exactly why the Netherlands (or more specifically, the European Union) is, in my opinion, a far better nation to live in than the United States. This is not the thread for it, and even if it were, it's not like it'd change your mind anyway. And I respect that. If you choose to honestly believe your nation is somehow better than mine, I'm OK with that. Your opinion doesn't affect my life in the least.
Nor am I going to try and explain to you why I couldn't care less about a Hollywood film being made about the United Airlines Flight 93.
In case you didn't notice, this thread is about a film being made about the efforts of the people aboard the United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. Not about 11/9 and its effects on the world.
I agree, this is not the place.
But *somebody* was talking about why people don't really care about it.
I simply made the statement that it is not even comparable to anything in The Netherlands. If you're going to say EU, only two events are comparable: Spain and Britain's taste of Al Qaeda. If you wish to further the debate, let's make use of PM, as not to take this thread too far off topic.
Praetorian
04-23-2006, 07:32 PM
I agree, this is not the place.
But *somebody* was talking about why people don't really care about it.
I simply made the statement that it is not even comparable to anything in The Netherlands. If you're going to say EU, only two events are comparable: Spain and Britain's taste of Al Qaeda. If you wish to further the debate, let's make use of PM, as not to take this thread too far off topic.
I don't want to further a none existing debate. I'll have my views and you'll have yours. Debating on the internet, especially about issues like these, is pointless.
It's simply a misunderstanding though. You seem to think that I didn't care about 11/9 as a whole, the innocent lives lost and the political turbulation that has followed. I do. What I tried to say is that I honestly do not care about the film about the United 93. Simply because it happened too far away from my home to even remotely sympathise with the people that might be offended by the film coming out "too early". I didn't mean to sound mean like that, I'm just being honest.
Decade
04-23-2006, 09:15 PM
America is a better country than the Netherlands.
Why?
We, as a nation, economically, politically and militaristicly, have more power than Poland, therefor more important.
:confused: ...the fuck?
Id post my opinion, but i'd probably get banned
America is a better country than the Netherlands.
Why?
We, as a nation, economically, politically and militaristicly, have more power than Poland, therefor more important.
9/11 wasn't just an attack on America...it was an attacked on Western ideals, politics, cutoms and beliefs. Tell me, how many other nationalities perished in the Dutch fireworks explosion? How many wars were spawned because of it?
9/11 was a turning point. It shifted the goals of our military and our nation. No longer do we fear a communist invasion, but now rogue governments and groups of extremists bent on our destruction, along with our allies.
That's the significance of 9/11 to the world.
Thanks.
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Thank you.
Pierrot le Fou
04-24-2006, 05:16 AM
If they advertise it on TV with images that evoke the memories of that day, I think it's rather tasteless and too early. If they allow it to be advertised by word-of-mouth or at least tasteful ads without any evocative images of the day, then it's not too early. I don't think I'd see it, as I still cringe every time I see footage of the towers from that day, and I think 2 hours of seeing it would turn me into a mess.
Beowulf
04-24-2006, 06:18 AM
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Thank you.
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Seriously.
9/11 was a turning point. It shifted the goals of our military and our nation. No longer do we fear a communist invasion, but now rogue governments and groups of extremists bent on our destruction, along with our allies.
Bullshit. All 9/11 did was give us americans what we really wanted. A new scapegoat. Damn that Gorbachev for taking the pinko commies away! We used to just blame all our foreign problems on commies, then we were kinda stuck taking the blame for our actions for awhile there, then the terrorists came along and now everything is their fault.
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