Moussaoui: Death or Life?

[phat_al]

Do you want Moussaoui to die or to live? Killed or be spared? State your reasons why.

And if he's executed, do you believe he'll cut in front of the line, like the illegal? Or appeal after appeal, and then, die of old age--the number 1 reason how death-row inmates die.

Who else believe the American justice system is corrupt?
If your rich and famous you can get away with murder, but if your poor and less known you end up life in prison for smoking crack. Anyone else find this disgraceful?

[MrQ]

Do you want Moussaoui to die or to live? Killed or be spared? State your reasons why.

And if he's executed, do you believe he'll cut in front of the line, like the illegal? Or appeal after appeal, and then, die of old age--the number 1 reason how death-row inmates die.

Who else believe the American justice system is corrupt?
If your rich and famous you can get away with murder, but if your poor and less known you end up life in prison for smoking crack. Anyone else find this disgraceful?


No one will argue against some type of reform for our justice system. Corrupt might be too strong of a word. I would think of it more along the lines of flawed.

[Cool Bones]

Who is moussaoui?

[Unknown]

He was involved in 9/11, well he said he wasn't. He said that he was preparing for a separate attack.

[MeneerDijk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui

Hmm the topic of this thread consists of 3 different things, i'll adress them seperatly:

- Do you want Moussaoui to die or to live? Killed or be spared? State your reasons why.

If this man is found guilty i think a life scentense would be appropriate. I personally don't believe in the death penalty. Since i see it as taking the convict out of his misery. It doesn't make a difference in cost, and the man will never be released anyway.

- And if he's executed, do you believe he'll cut in front of the line, like the illegal?

The justice system should be equal for everyone, so if this man gets a death penalty, he should have the same rights as other convicts.

- Who else believe the American justice system is corrupt?

I'd go along with mrQ. and say it's flawed. If you say corrupt i think more along the lines of judges being bribed and such.

[Jay]

It doesn't make a difference in cost

Aside from the whatever per year to feed him his daily bread and water, clean his sheets, et al...

[MeneerDijk]

Hmm you made me do more checking of my own arguments, it is very hard to find an obective source. I find contradicting stories like: Cost of death penalty vs life in prison (http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php?pid=cost) or Death penalty arguments and recourses (http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/410/410lect15.htm)I'll stick with what the last one says: money should never be an argument for choosing a death scentense above a life scentense or vice versa

[Jay]

I would have thought the money spent on paying for a prisoner's food and general keep would be quite large over the course of 40 or 50 years, whereas things like the substances in the needles and the burial (you can hardly call it a funeral...) wouldn't be all that expensive, comparitively.

[Cool Bones]

Oh he's a terrorist...
I think they should let him choose between death and prison forever.
I doubt it will happen though >.>

Fanatics devote their life to the thing they are fanatic about and no matter how many years they spend in jail they wil resume their activities when they are released.

[Jiant Flying Panda]

He shouldn't be executed.

Executing him might portray him as a martyr to his fellow terrorist.

[Unknown]

He shouldn't be executed.

Executing him might portray him as a martyr to his fellow terrorist.

That's a very good point. I hope that people will consider that before they decide what they will do with him.

[SekiSelu]

I would have thought the money spent on paying for a prisoner's food and general keep would be quite large over the course of 40 or 50 years, whereas things like the substances in the needles and the burial (you can hardly call it a funeral...) wouldn't be all that expensive, comparitively.

The problem with assigning the death penalty is that people can (and often do) appeal, and the court costs for the repeated appeals adds up very quickly, as you also have to pay for room and board for them during this time. While I don't know which is more expensive, 40 years of imprisonment or 4 years of appeals, either way there's a large sum of money that must be set aside for said criminals.

This is another way in which I think our justice system is flawed... Heck, if I ended up on the street (due to unforseen, uncontrollable circumstances), prison might even be a nicer place. Heat, 3 meals a day, a place to sleep... It's not a good life, but it's not nearly the kind of punishment it used to be (and still is elsewhere).

I'm not trying to say we should go back to the dark ages with wall shackles and only stale bread and water, but more incentive to stay out of prison might do us good.

As for this guy... Death could make him a martyr, life could make him a target, either way there will be trouble, and I don't know enough about it to decide.

My thoughts ^_^
-Seki

[Radiance]

I demand he be held indeffinatly and allowed to be cell mates with every lonely bubba and tiny in existance. >_< Frankly, I don't care what will happen to him, i'm not here to judge, he will get what he deserves (be it good, bad, or neutral) in the afterlife. (Even though I don't really believe in anything after death.) So while I won't comment on what I think should be done with him for what he is accused of, I will say I wish him nothing but a horrible long drawn out existance until his inevitable death. (be it by old age, an executioner, or some fellow convict that doesn't like him) We all die, it doesn't matter how.

[KujiInRetsu]

Yeah, given that he could end up being martyred if we execute him, I say we lock him up and cut away all of the soap holders in his cell block showers. Teach him to try and fuck with us.

[Cool Bones]

The problem with assigning the death penalty is that people can (and often do) appeal, and the court costs for the repeated appeals adds up very quickly, as you also have to pay for room and board for them during this time. While I don't know which is more expensive, 40 years of imprisonment or 4 years of appeals, either way there's a large sum of money that must be set aside for said criminals.

This is another way in which I think our justice system is flawed... Heck, if I ended up on the street (due to unforseen, uncontrollable circumstances), prison might even be a nicer place. Heat, 3 meals a day, a place to sleep... It's not a good life, but it's not nearly the kind of punishment it used to be (and still is elsewhere).

I'm not trying to say we should go back to the dark ages with wall shackles and only stale bread and water, but more incentive to stay out of prison might do us good.

As for this guy... Death could make him a martyr, life could make him a target, either way there will be trouble, and I don't know enough about it to decide.

My thoughts ^_^
-Seki

That reminds me of a charlie chaplin movie.
He was homeless and tried to piss off the police officer to get send to jail.
One day in jail, a prisoner tried to escape and he stopped him so he got a new cell with better meals, tv and the newspapers.
But when his sentence was over and he needed to leave he tried to stay by hanging to the cell bars but was still kicked out lol

[kyaa the catlord]

I say we make him march in every gay pride parade we can get him to... and arrange for bonus ones just for his benefit.