View Full Version : Bush and company are in for a load of hurt...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0406061libby1.html
Lets just say unless a miracle happens for him. (Im sure he is on his knees praying now.) He is in for a world of hurt soon.
Angelyne
04-07-2006, 12:47 AM
Don't hold your breath. If Bush and Cheney managed to go this long without any repercussion, then it's not going to happen any time soon.
Anders
04-07-2006, 03:31 AM
Still, I hope it waits 'til we get a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.
You guys need to stop getting your news from them, and learn the truth at
www.colbertnation.com
sever
04-07-2006, 06:08 AM
Plamegate
What's with all the 'gate' stuff on every presidential scandal? I mean, come on, "Plamegate." Why not just call the Iraqi War "Oilgate" or something? Doesn't anyone realize Watergate was a place, not a classification?
And speaking of oil, I also doubt Bush will get in any trouble for this whatsoever. People don't get impeached for stuff like this. You have to do something truly horrendous, like get a blowjob, or quickly and peacefully restore the Union. It's not like he has to keep his approval up for reelection.
He is fucking the Republican party over. So it is important in that sense, but hey Im not a Republican. ;)
kyaa the catlord
04-07-2006, 08:24 AM
Newsflash: Accused criminial points finger at another person! Shocking news at 11!
Anders
04-07-2006, 02:24 PM
We might actually find out who is Mr. Big! The thing is, if jr or Cheney is found responsible for the information leak, that would be a crime they could be impeached over and removed from office. Criminals ratting out others to avoid jail time is nothing new, but when the criminals ratted out are the current president and vice president, it becomes a very big deal.
Shishio
04-07-2006, 02:42 PM
Don't hold your breath. If Bush and Cheney managed to go this long without any repercussion, then it's not going to happen any time soon.
I have to agree.
SDSUMarcus01
04-07-2006, 02:50 PM
Back in October of 2003 I was pretty much the only person who opposed the Iraq war that wasn't extremely liberal. A lot of "fellow Christians" told me I was a traitor and what not... but everything I said would happen happened, and nothing they said would happen did. I got into quite a number of email arguements with those "fellow Christians" and not a one of them has apologized yet. Suffice to say, my instincts are usually right.
There is something fishy about this. I do not understand why a top LT of the Bush Administration would so quickly turncoat unless it was to save his own ass or profit. I have to wonder if he was offered a deal. Even more fishy is that Libby says that only he, Cheney, and Bush knew about the authorization.
Then again, I can't say I'd be completely surprised if he was involved. There is a lot of corruption in the government right now... on both the democratic and republican side.
It makes me wish I could stage a military cout for 1 year so that I could rewrite the laws of this country. Nobody seems to have the foggiest idea of what they're doing and even if they do, the legislation they try to pass never passes because of lobbiests and special interests. I'm amazed that these politicians have so much power and yet many of them don't even know basic economics let alone how to plan for the long term.
Klilynkun
04-07-2006, 02:53 PM
Why would you be a traitor for not wanting to go to war with iraq?
Politics... go fig
Shishio
04-07-2006, 02:58 PM
It makes me wish I could stage a military cout for 1 year so that I could rewrite the laws of this country. Nobody seems to have the foggiest idea of what they're doing and even if they do, the legislation they try to pass never passes because of lobbiests and special interests. I'm amazed that these politicians have so much power and yet many of them don't even know basic economics let alone how to plan for the long term.
So you would improve the country for a year, then let things go back to normal? You can rewrite laws all you want, it won't amount to anything if noone enforces them.
As for the thing about politicians, I think it's because stupidity, ignorance, and greed are the most powerful forces in the universe.
Anders
04-07-2006, 05:24 PM
I thought Libby was indicted because he was identified as the source for the newspaper article. Regardless of his role, he will have to suffer the consequences of his actions. The question is, does he take the blame entirely by himself, or does he include the other people involved in the leak and possibly get a shorter prison term? Either way, his political career is over.
I thought Libby was indicted because he was identified as the source for the newspaper article. Regardless of his role, he will have to suffer the consequences of his actions. The question is, does he take the blame entirely by himself, or does he include the other people involved in the leak and possibly get a shorter prison term? Either way, his political career is over.
He includes those involved, I think he is more worried about prison time than anything else. Slate has a good article about this, http://www.slate.com/id/2139469/ Regardless of your political affiliation this should worry you.
SDSUMarcus01
04-07-2006, 07:06 PM
Why would you be a traitor for not wanting to go to war with iraq?
Politics... go fig
Most Americans are idiotic sheep ruled by their emotions and ignorance.
SDSUMarcus01
04-07-2006, 07:06 PM
So you would improve the country for a year, then let things go back to normal? You can rewrite laws all you want, it won't amount to anything if noone enforces them.
As for the thing about politicians, I think it's because stupidity, ignorance, and greed are the most powerful forces in the universe.
Well I don't really want to rule the world. Just fix it.
Matt W
04-08-2006, 02:14 AM
The Bush Administration and the Republican Party are in huge trouble right now, and this only makes it worse. From Delay to Cunningham to Abramoff to Libby, the corruption and disregard for the law is really hurting them. Bush's approval ratings are in the mid thirties, and there is definitely a reason, as he has been so dishonest and such a terrible president. This news shows how dishonest he is. Hopefully this news will help contribute to the Dems getting back control of Congress.
Dishonesty in government is hardly anything new in government or a Republican creation. It's merely that this administration has done far less to cover it up than most.
Matt W
04-09-2006, 07:35 AM
It merely that they are much more dishonest, and about more serious things.
It merely that they are much more dishonest, and about more serious things.
Very well said, with Iran looming in the background, things are not looking so hot for Bush and company.
Artful_Dodger
04-09-2006, 09:01 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0406061libby1.html
Lets just say unless a miracle happens for him. (Im sure he is on his knees praying now.) He is in for a world of hurt soon.
They will be long out of office before this gets to them, if it ever does. They are experts at grabbing the nearest toady and throwing him in front of the speeding bullet to both dodge the bullet and distract the hunter.
Kewl Imp
04-10-2006, 06:40 PM
Both parties lie. two things most people forget out about this country. It was founded by slave owners who wanted to free from taxes from another country. And the war that followed after was how this country was fought for and won. This country was founded in blood. That being said, I do love this country very much. I have lived out of the country and I wouldn't want to live away from my home ever again. (not to say I won't visit other places)
Dishonestly is politics is like violence in Grand Theft Auto, it will always be there. They dodge the bullets until they are out of office. That offical who quit, I am guessing has a book deal lined up about all this. I doubt many of the people who quit suddenly realized that the government isn't what they thought.
Both parties lie. two things most people forget out about this country. It was founded by slave owners who wanted to free from taxes from another country. And the war that followed after was how this country was fought for and won. This country was founded in blood. That being said, I do love this country very much. I have lived out of the country and I wouldn't want to live away from my home ever again. (not to say I won't visit other places)
Dishonestly is politics is like violence in Grand Theft Auto, it will always be there. They dodge the bullets until they are out of office. That offical who quit, I am guessing has a book deal lined up about all this. I doubt many of the people who quit suddenly realized that the government isn't what they thought.
You do know that the US does not have the highest standard of living? This is far from being dishonest, if not short of treason. How you can say, oh they all lie, and move on is sort of sad. Maybe i read what you wrote wrong.
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/04/09/does-fred-hiatt-even-read-the-washington-post/
I found this intresting, no I don't read blogs a friend sent this to me.
Matt W
04-11-2006, 12:24 AM
Dishonestly is politics is like violence in Grand Theft Auto, it will always be there. They dodge the bullets until they are out of office. That offical who quit, I am guessing has a book deal lined up about all this. I doubt many of the people who quit suddenly realized that the government isn't what they thought.
No, he doesnt have a book deal lined up, he has many years of prison in his future, and he is trying to make it so he spends less years in jail. The problem with your post is that you have a general view of politics that is very negative, and you are applying it to current events that you know nothing about. Of course, both parties aren't always completely honest, but there are degrees of honesty and lies and credibility, and Bush and Cheney are far worse then the average politician in these regards.
Kewl Imp
04-11-2006, 02:24 AM
I know the US doesn't have the highest standard of living, but that does not take my love away from this country. Just because PCs tend to have more bugs, doesn't mean I just going to change to MAC. Its the way I see things. I also will not lie to myself about politics, it is a corrupt system and the people who try and make change either leave too quickly or fall into the corruption. The very few who stay don't make much, if any, progress in changint the system.
Its not a negative view, its a realistic view. Most people in politics or public eye will try and make money off of jail time. You goto the public say I'm sorry and here is a book about why it happened and most people will buy it. When something is "leaked", it is hardly a real leak. Things like that are a quick diversion from whatever else is going wrong at the time. Now, getting into specifics, I can't really do. I don't stay that much up on politics, but Bush is just as bad at Clilton if he lies/lied/will lie about it.
As for degrees of honesty, there is none. My view is you tell the truth or you don't. The expection of that rule is the "Am I fat" rule where there is no right answer ever.
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