The new 'bitch about the opposite sex' thread

[Pete]

Thought this might be nice to have again. And I'm drunk, so here goes :p

Spent tonight in a pub, talking to a nice young lady. Spent a couple of hours talking to her one on one (her friends even moved seats to accomodate this) then they all buggered off to get take out.

Heart = ripped out and thrown on ground

Why do women do this? If you're not remotely interested, why bother talking to a guy for hours?

Meh. I'm drunk and in bad spirits. Feel free to add your own miseries.

Pete

[StormShadow]

Pete,
Women are pack animals. Even if the girl is interested, if her friends gotta bounce then she has to as well. I hope you made enough of an impression that next time you see her you can hit it up again. You get digits? Your Irish, I am sure you'll bounce right back.

[Pete]

I was going to go for the digits, then her friends atarted talking to me and it was too much of a diversionary tactic. I think they were all going to get food not just her, she mentioned it earlier. Then I was diverted by the friends when I had screwed myself up to go for the number. In other words, I failed. :(

Apparently my mate I was with said that when the other girls moved they said something about 'Aww look they're bonding' about me and her, and she went red. I think that shot my chances down right there.

[KKF]

Sorry off topic but where in Northern Ireland do you live? Also is their a lot of red headed hot females there? ;) I plan to visit sometime soon. I have promised myself I will make it to Ireland in the next two years.

[Pete]

Belfast ;) More red headed ladies down in the Republic than up north

[scan2001]

How about the old saying"There other fish in the sea." I'm sure there other girls.

[ShadowDeth]

I don't have specific miseries, but general observations. Women on the whole tend to be a lot more boring than the average man.

I assume it's due to the intellectually unstimulating culture they are exposed to at an early age.

[Pretentious]

A girl gave me cooties once. What a day THAT was.

[kensei]

A girl gave me VD once. What a day THAT was.
Fixed for truth :P

[h2orowe]

Pfft, I love girls, they love me back, but in a friends way, and than I'll blow my brains out in a year or two, because I'll finally get a girlfriend, and then she'll only have used me.

I think girls are cute, they think I'm cute, not in that way.

I make a good "shoulder to cry on" I guess, considering I even "Counsel" male friends, I don't mind having friends that are girls, but there's a few that I really like/love and it sucks getting shot down, and than she runs back to her asshole boyfriend who won't take her back, and she has to appoligize to him, even though it was his fault, and I'm probably gonna sock him in the face next time I see him, which will than damage my relationship with said girl, and years down the road, she'll be like OMG OMG JOEY I SHOULD'VE CHOSE YOU, but by than, I'll be a monk, a celabate one :O !

[Kragar]

Thought this might be nice to have again. And I'm drunk, so here goes :p

Spent tonight in a pub, talking to a nice young lady. Spent a couple of hours talking to her one on one (her friends even moved seats to accomodate this) then they all buggered off to get take out.

Heart = ripped out and thrown on ground

Why do women do this? If you're not remotely interested, why bother talking to a guy for hours?

They talk for hours because they're remotely interested, and they want to see if you can make them more interested. If you were too slow for the numbers, though, it's your own damn fault. Don't blame the lady for your poor reflexes.

I should do the story of my Saturday night, but I don't have time right now. A friend of mine invited me to dinner with a couple of her friends, and I hit it off with one of them. We talked and flirted all the way through dinner, and she was pretty aggressive about showing how interested she was, winking at me, pushing the conversation, etc.

After dinner we went to a dance club, and we got to spend some quality time on the dance floor. Then we went off to find our friends and she proceeded to spend the rest of the night ignoring me. Not even the "blow you off to talk to her friends" ignoring me, but STARING OFF INTO SPACE AND NOT TALKING TO ANYONE ignoring me. To make it even more strange, the couple of times we made eye contact, she kind of smiled like she had back in the restaurant, so she didn't seemed pissed at me for anything.

Then, when we decided that we wanted to go home, my friend who invited me to this came up to me and said, "I want to go home, but the girl you were dancing with wants to stay for another half an hour. What are you going to do?" Hmm. Stay with a someone who likes to ignore me, or go home by myself. Choices, choices. I went home. On the way out, the woman started talking to me again, and then looked like she wanted to hug me to say goodbye. I thought "meh" and was out the door.

Very strange night.

[QreepyBORIS]

The opposite sex is hard to maintain an intelligent and non-boring conversation with.

[KujiInRetsu]

It is nigh-impossible to understand the opposite gender. Girls who are so simple you can understand right off the bat (using the average "think-from-the-penis" type mentality) are either whores or actually 14 year-old boys who are imitating girls. :D

Guess which thread I'm lampooning...

[Pretentious]

Fixed for truth :P

Oh dear, my secret code has been deciphered.

[Addicted]

I hate most of the opposite sex. And most of the same sex.

I guess I'm screwed, huh?

[General_Admission]

Mentioning problems with women...I Need help!

http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15394#post15394

[Joe]

Well, you see, the thing with women is that they're FUCKING INSANE AND THE FIRST CHANCE THEY'LL GET THEY'LL RID THE WORLD OF MEN.

Now, scientists have recently discovered the secret to most womens' brain. They have divided it into the following sections:

Money
Lies
Manipulation
Guilt Trips
Whining/Nagging
Worrying
Sex
Conscequently, the Left Parietal Lobe (speech center) was found to be made of bullshit

Scientists have conluded that women are a pox amongst the rash minded, male, and can be avoided with certain items that can ward them.

Scientists have found the following phrases capable of warding off women:
-I don't have a lot of money, but I love you, and that's all we need.
-I've never believed in having a lot of things.
-I love animals, especially dogs.
-Fur is murder.
-Women are Teh suck.
-Did you see the raiders game last week?
-Dude, I was palying halo, and I totally pwned these nubs
-1337 sp34k

Scientists have found the following things, when held out towards the enemy, are capable of keeping women at bay.
-A cross, or male gender symbol
-Bills
-Prenuptial agreement form
-Any sort of gaming equipment beyond the woman's fathom.
-A Palm Pilot
-The bible (However, one must follow up with reading psalms, whilst dowsing her with holy water)
-Garlic

Scientists have recently discovered three new types of women.

The first one is the so called "Feminist" who believes she is entitled to everything men have worked so hard for. She is quick to judge, and her main weapon against you is the guilt trip. Strangely enough, the guilt trip, and Left Parietal Lobe section of the brain are three times larger then is considered normal. She is quick to strike, and when shown her own hypocricy, quickly recoils into a defense position, gaining 1d4 hp per hit die. Saying things such as "oppression" and "double standard" the feminist can turn men's brain to mulch, a man can resist such speak by making a will save (DC 23)

The next one is the "soccer mom" who is busy shuttling her evil spawn about, screaming about traffic in her monstrous killing machine, the 'SUV'. This one is to be feared for she is quick to aggression, and can summon 1d3 toddlers to her aid once a day. The soccer mom usually has a brainwashed husband busy earning money so she can spend it, he will fight on her behalf, take heed! He is considered to be "pussified" so treat him as a level 5 outsider. If provoked, the soccer mom may attempt to run you down with her massive killing machine, the 'SUV", also known as the vagina-mobile. When in the 'SUV' the soccer moms grapple modifier increases by 2d4 per hit die.

The final new breed of women is by far the most feared, and should be avoided at all costs, for meeting one almost surely entails death. The 'bull dyke' are massive creatures, capable of devouring up to twice the amount of liquor a man can, and can throw a punch that can dent steel. The 'bull dyke' hates most men, and can and will pick a fight with one at the drop of a hat. A 'bull dyke' ussually has a lesser minion around, that while not as strong as the 'bull dyke' can certainly hold her own. If defeated in a fight, the bull dyke can transform into a fatter version of the feminist, gaining the feminists abilities. She is to be considered a "super bitch" as scientists have dubbed.

Take caution fellow men! Women abound!

(this is all in good jest, don't take me seriously)

[Chinamerican]

Every time I get a new boyfriend, it's a new chance to mold a person into someone you want him to be but you can only do it so much b/c "you don't want a man to do 100% of what you say. You want a little fight left in him, you want him al dente." So frankly, I don't think my bf has very good manners b/c sometimes he just disappears w/o telling me and I'm the weird, neurotic type that starts thinking up scenarios like shit fell from a shelf, hit his head, and now he's slowly dying of bloodloss/head trauma. If you saw his room, you might be more inclined to believe me but still, I worry unnecessarily. He knows this and even though I've asked him nicely, he still ignores it. Is it really so hard to pick up the phone and say "Hey, I'm stepping out for a bit, I'll call you later?" He just leaves in the middle of a conversation and picks it up later w/o so much as apologizing for leaving me high and dry.

I'm in the process of breaking one in and it's going decently. He's too far away and I need to get laid. Dammit. I just want to get back to school so we can commence fucking.

[Expert Insomniac]

Stuff.

So. You've found out the truth. I don't know how you infiltrated our secret base, but no matter.

Soon, a squandron of female ninjas will arrive at your house to kill you by shoving multiple poison soaked tampons into every orifice in your body. But first, we will drain you of your sperm, so that we can perpetuate the species without you filthy creatures.

Speaking of which, while you're waiting for the ninjas to arrive, could you scrub your house with bleach? My ladies find the scent of testosterone revolting.

[Kragar]

Every time I get a new boyfriend, it's a new chance to mold a person into someone you want him to be

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

At least I hope you were joking.

[Pete]

They talk for hours because they're remotely interested, and they want to see if you can make them more interested. If you were too slow for the numbers, though, it's your own damn fault. Don't blame the lady for your poor reflexes.

I don't really think there's much I could have done differently tbh. I was myself and if she's not interested, her loss. I just might have pushed the asshole envelope a little too far. At one point we somehow got onto Ladder Theory.

Next time, I'll dial the asshole back a little. It's a learning process :p

[Jay]

I was going to go for the digits, then her friends atarted talking to me and it was too much of a diversionary tactic.

I got a tactic for this, buddy.

When her friends come over and start nattering at her, you look across at her friends, look the pack leader directly in the eye, and say "excuse, me, I'M talking to your friend right now, could you fucking wait your turn?"

a) It shows the friends you're not about to let them walk on you, and
b) It shows the girl you're not going to take piss.

It's win/win, mate.

[Praetorian]

Speaking of which, while you're waiting for the ninjas to arrive, could you scrub your house with bleach? My ladies find the scent of testosterone revolting.


Then your ladies suck. Testosterone smells good, everybody knows that.

[Snake eyeS]

hmm, i have a complain about females: whats the need to start a gossip on everyone you know?

All women ever do is talk about others. its rare to see someone speak positive when the person is not around, but most females make it their sport to drag whoever they want into the mud but act like nice persons when that persons is in their face.

Some common traits of females,

they are the ones that will call eachother a slut. the guy using you as a slut will never say this as it will ruin his bootycall..but soon as females learn of your slutty behaviour, they trow around some crazy gossips making sure the girl that acted slutty wouldnt get more attention(out of jealousy mostly) the amount of girls that has been snatched away from me because she feared her girlfriends would call her a whore/slut is amazing. even with the best smooth talking i have lost my fair share of girls just because they were paranoid about how their friends would react.

Girls dont dress up for men, they do it to poke eachothers eyes out. who gives a rats ass whats new and popular at the moment? if it looks nice it defy's fashion trends. 9 out of 10 guys wont even look at what your wearing, but will try and see trough it and see how your body looks instead of wondering where you got that "cute" top and that matching belt.

Girls are the ones who will shoosh away their friends the second they get a serious date, guys will try and hold on to their mates and sanity for as long as possible.

Most girls are wannaB feminists, they want the same rights as men, but only the ones that help them, not the ones that actually matter(opening doors yourself, having to pay your own way, and similar things like that)

The thing that annoys me the most is that girls who start a fight with a guy expect the guy to stand there and take it. my motto is, if you can punch like a man, you can get punched like a man. ive made the mistake of doing nothing and ended up with a bloody nose and 2 teeth trough my lip. next bitch who tries to act like that is getting her head punched.

DISCLAIMER: Im generalising way to much, i know that. but even girls have to agree that 70% of your kind is pretty much fucked up. Im sure guys have similiar things you girls can whine about. and that why this thread is here!

Flame away!

and a repley to the OP, talking to a girl for a few hours will get you nowhere, you need to have things done within half an hour, maybe a hour if shes playing hard to get. but talking to her in the middle of her friends for hours will fail.. every minute counts, and every minute spoiled is another step down in her interest level in you.

[Jay]

and a repley to the OP, talking to a girl for a few hours will get you nowhere, you need to have things done within half an hour, maybe a hour if shes playing hard to get. but talking to her in the middle of her friends for hours will fail.. every minute counts, and every minute spoiled is another step down in her interest level in you.

What's lame about it is, they give absolutely no indication that they're not interested. Chicks are quite happy to go on talking and while you're sitting there thinking "yes, yes, keep talking, you're awesome, I want to *bone/date/whatever* you" she's sitting there thinking inoocently "this guy's nice. Wonder what I'm going to do tomorrow" or something. Or maybe she's not being so innocent. But that's beside the point - the point is, they give absolutely no indication of not being interested anymore.

[StormShadow]

I think it might go beyond that slightly. Think about it. If an ugly girl was hittin' on you, you would be like, "Damn, you're ugly!", yet at the same time, depending on your current mood, you could be like "Yes, attractive to the Lay-d's. Move over Mr. Pitt, Mr. ____ is taking over!" Same thing could be going on in the girls mind. "Oh, I feel so ugly! Wait this guy thinks I'm attractive? I'm going to milk this like the family cow."

[Jay]

I think it might go beyond that slightly. Think about it. If an ugly girl was hittin' on you, you would be like, "Damn, you're ugly!", yet at the same time, depending on your current mood, you could be like "Yes, attractive to the Lay-d's. Move over Mr. Pitt, Mr. ____ is taking over!" Same thing could be going on in the girls mind. "Oh, I feel so ugly! Wait this guy thinks I'm attractive? I'm going to milk this like the family cow."

Women who think they're ugly can kiss my arse. I swear, I spend so much of my time saying "no, you're not ugly at all" that I should carry around a fucking recording with those words and play it whevener I pass a woman.

[StormShadow]

She wants to hear it, so she'll act interested in you because she is really interested in what your saying. It's a power thing. Ladies suck. That's a fact. And they are jelious. Jelious like trolls..... But sexy trolls..... Trolls with breasts and vaginas..................... And makeup.

[Kragar]

I don't really think there's much I could have done differently tbh. I was myself and if she's not interested, her loss. I just might have pushed the asshole envelope a little too far. At one point we somehow got onto Ladder Theory.

I was just talking about the final moments. She didn't say good bye to you or anything? Just slipped out the back while her friends were distracting you? If all else failed, you should have been able to say, "Hey, you think you can get away without giving me your phone number? You still haven't met my pet hamster!" or something else in the vein of what you had said before. If your reflexes were too slow for whatever reason to even make a desperate last-second attempt for a phone number, even if it's not the coolest attempt, then no digits for you, padawan. Back to the kiddie pool.

[Pete]

She said 'Nice to meet you Jack-uh I mean Peter' referencing earlier in the night when she'd misheard me introducing myself. At that point she was standing up to go with the friends and if I'd asked for her number it would have been really awkward and probably failed.

[Kragar]

What's lame about it is, they give absolutely no indication that they're not interested. Chicks are quite happy to go on talking and while you're sitting there thinking "yes, yes, keep talking, you're awesome, I want to *bone/date/whatever* you" she's sitting there thinking inoocently "this guy's nice. Wonder what I'm going to do tomorrow" or something. Or maybe she's not being so innocent. But that's beside the point - the point is, they give absolutely no indication of not being interested anymore.

Whoever said they had to? It also requires a load of honesty and balls that most people (regardless of gender) don't have.

Also, they can't contol (or guess) your fantasies.

[Jay]

What's the Ladder Theory?

[Kragar]

She said 'Nice to meet you Jack-uh I mean Peter' referencing earlier in the night when she'd misheard me introducing myself. At that point she was stood up to go with the friends and if I'd asked for her number it would have been really awkward and probably failed.

Ah. You chose to be cool. Mistake.

Sometimes you have to do awkward things and apologize for them later. If you're not willing to show a little ass to get the job done, then the job won't get done. Sometimes doing something slightly embarassing shows your sincerity and gets you remembered.

And, yes, sometimes it fails. Not always.

[Kragar]

What's the Ladder Theory?

Isn't that one of Jeff's things about how women can only see men higher up on the ladder than them? It's in one of his articles about dating.

[Jay]

Whoever said they had to?

Um, duh. You're talking in a bar/nightclub for one reason and one reason only - to lay that person. Or, I suppose, you might just want to date them first.

So, two reasons.

You're not just there for the conversation.

I'd rather the person go "sorry, not interested" than keep on talking and only get me more interested.

[Jay]

Isn't that one of Jeff's things about how women can only see men higher up on the ladder than them? It's in one of his articles about dating.

Oh. I read those articles sometime months ago, I can't remember half of what was said. I remember the gist, but that's it, basically.

[Pete]

Ah. You chose to be cool. Mistake.

Sometimes you have to do awkward things and apologize for them later. If you're not willing to show a little ass to get the job done, then the job won't get done. Sometimes doing something slightly embarassing shows your sincerity and gets you remembered.

And, yes, sometimes it fails. Not always.

I know, and I was going to but then I wussed out at the last minute. In the unlikely event I see her again I will but it just didn't feel right. I wouldn't have cared about looking stupid it was more I felt like I'd already lost my chance to ask.

I just would have liked a bit longer to talk to work up to it, then when they announced they were going it was a bit quick for me to do anything about it.

Ladder Theory (http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html)

[Kragar]

Um, duh. You're talking in a bar/nightclub for one reason and one reason only - to lay that person. Or, I suppose, you might just want to date them first.

Dunno, that might be your only reason for talking to people at the bar, but I know a lot of women who go to bars just to relax and chill out. They're not looking to hook up or anything, and talking to someone new is just another part of relaxing. Sometimes they go out just to not be at home, and you're just helping them fill the time.

[Kragar]

I know, and I was going to but then I wussed out at the last minute. In the unlikely event I see her again I will but it just didn't feel right. I wouldn't have cared about looking stupid it was more I felt like I'd already lost my chance to ask.

I just would have liked a bit longer to talk to work up to it, then when they announced they were going it was a bit quick for me to do anything about it.


The best thing to remember is that there's never a better time. Also, just because it feels like the wrong time to you doesn't mean she feels the same way. For all you know, she could have walked away from that moment wondering why you didn't ask her for her number, and half expecting you to run and catch up with her to get it. Stranger things have worked.

Not that I want to keep bashing you, but you made the mistake and then came onto the board complaining about her being a bitch. I know your pain, but you still dropped the ball. The only real question is, will it help you not make the same mistake next time?

[Jay]

Dunno, that might be your only reason for talking to people at the bar, but I know a lot of women who go to bars just to relax and chill out. They're not looking to hook up or anything, and talking to someone new is just another part of relaxing. Sometimes they go out just to not be at home, and you're just helping them fill the time.

I kinda feel the need to express that I'm not looking for a fight here.

Anyhoo.

Chicks at bars are going to be targeted by guys, obviously. I would think they'd have the good sense to say "I'm just here to chill out; I'm not looking to hook up, however innocuous the get together may be", you know?

But then, I'm showing faith in people. Why in hell am I doing that? :rolleyes:

[StormShadow]

True that Jay! If a woman just wants to talk, there is body signals. Peter, was this lady leading you along? Body signals for that too. If this lady wasn't interested, yet made it seem so by body langauge and comments in convorsation, then totally, this girl sucks.

[Kragar]

I kinda feel the need to express that I'm not looking for a fight here.

Why?

Anyhoo.

Chicks at bars are going to be targeted by guys, obviously. I would think they'd have the good sense to say "I'm just here to chill out; I'm not looking to hook up, however innocuous the get together may be", you know?

Why? They might not even be thinking about that. There are a lot of oblivious girls out there.

But then, I'm showing faith in people. Why in hell am I doing that? :rolleyes:

We all make mistakes.

[Pete]

The best thing to remember is that there's never a better time. Also, just because it feels like the wrong time to you doesn't mean she feels the same way. For all you know, she could have walked away from that moment wondering why you didn't ask her for her number, and half expecting you to run and catch up with her to get it. Stranger things have worked.

Not that I want to keep bashing you, but you made the mistake and then came onto the board complaining about her being a bitch. I know your pain, but you still dropped the ball. The only real question is, will it help you not make the same mistake next time?

No no no... I'm not calling her a bitch, I made the thread to complain about general situations with the opposite sex. She was great, I'm the one who screwed up. If the opportunity presents itself, I won't make the same mistake again.

Body language wise she seemed interested to me, good eye contact, lots of OTT gesturing etc. I think it's just a case of chalk this one up to experience.

[Kragar]

No no no... I'm not calling her a bitch, I made the thread to complain about general situations with the opposite sex. She was great, I'm the one who screwed up. If the opportunity presents itself, I won't make the same mistake again.

Body language wise she seemed interested to me, good eye contact, lots of OTT gesturing etc. I think it's just a case of chalk this one up to experience.

Point taken. I looked back you did call her a nice young lady.

We all have nights like that, though. Did you read my story above? It's the nicest ending I've had in the past month. The weirdest one was the lesbian/bi who was talking to me to try and make her girlfriend jealous because her girlfriend wanted to break up and she didn't. Women are frustating because they are entirely different people and there's no way you can read their minds.

And every bit o experience helps.

[Jay]

Why?

Because IMO I came on a bit strong with the whole "duh" thing.

Why? They might not even be thinking about that. There are a lot of oblivious girls out there.

Ignorance is no excuse. ;)

Take this situation. You meet a girl, she's really cool; quick to laugh at what you say; puts in her own little bits here and there; she basically connects with you. Right, got that?

"Would you like to go out with me?"

"Sorry, I'm not looking for a date"

"...Fuck you."

I'm sure you can work out the rest.

We all make mistakes.

Yeah, but I generally don't put faith in anything but the fact that I need sleep and sustainance. Putting faith in ANYONE is a big leap for me. :mad:

(I'm a cynic. And a skeptic. And a realist. I automatically see the worst in everyone.)

[OliveButtercup]

I didn't know you guys were so bitter about us gals

[Kragar]

Because IMO I came on a bit strong with the whole "duh" thing.

I have incredibly thick skin so I didn't even notice, but I appreciate the courtesy.

[Kragar]

I didn't know you guys were so bitter about us gals

We're bitter about our failures with girls. Get us talking about our successes and we're as proud and happy as the day is long. Get us talking about the near misses that touched our hearts, and we'll sound religious and mystical. Get us talking about what we want in bed, and we'll sound like a bunch of sailors fresh of the boat.

[Kragar]

Take this situation. You meet a girl, she's really cool; quick to laugh at what you say; puts in her own little bits here and there; she basically connects with you. Right, got that?

"Would you like to go out with me?"

"Sorry, I'm not looking for a date"

"...Fuck you."

I'm sure you can work out the rest.

Oh, dude, I've been living that. One of the other stories from the past month* is the girl that I got along with really well, but almost slipped into the Friend Zone with because I had a girlfriend. After the break up, I started flirting with her more seriously, and she didn't mind at all. We would talk for hours, she would let me touch her (no, not that way, you perv), we started doing stuff together. Then asked her if I could take her out. She said, "Can I say no?"

Grrrrrrrrr.

Then, to make things more interesting, we're still doing stuff together. I'm not sure if I'm being an idiot or if I managed to change her mind. She isn't telling me anything.

* I broke up with a girlfriend about a month and a half ago, with is why I keep mentioning the time frame.

[Jay]

I didn't know you guys were so bitter about us gals

I'M certainly not bitter about girls. Well, not in themselves, anyway. It's just the little things you lot do that I have to work out how to get around. :D

(To all concerned - after establishing contact with a woman, I generally tend to ask if she's into dating or whatever withing the first half hour or so, and if she's not, move on after politely parting ways.)

Establishing contact, heh.

[StormShadow]

I didn't know you guys were so bitter about us gals

Be the ideal woman, or have a 7/10 point matchup to the pefect lady, adn you'll be fine. Otherwise, guys can be bitter. My girlfriend used to be perfect, and then she started losing points, and now she is just crazy.

It also goes with the fact that a guy is very predictable. We all know what they are after, or general likes and dislikes. Women on the other hand, can be ambiguous na d unpredictable.
Woman's mad
"Are you mad?"
"NO!"
"What are tyou mad about?"
"If you really knew me, you would already know!"
Guy is mad
"Max, are you mad at me?"
"Yeah, you made me mad when you _____"
I hope you got the point: Woman can just be frustrasting

[Snake eyeS]

Be the ideal woman, or have a 7/10 point matchup to the pefect lady, adn you'll be fine. Otherwise, guys can be bitter. My girlfriend used to be perfect, and then she started losing points, and now she is just crazy.

It also goes with the fact that a guy is very predictable. We all know what they are after, or general likes and dislikes. Women on the other hand, can be ambiguous na d unpredictable.
Woman's mad
"Are you mad?"
"NO!"
"What are tyou mad about?"
"If you really knew me, you would already know!"
Guy is mad
"Max, are you mad at me?"
"Yeah, you made me mad when you _____"
I hope you got the point: Woman can just be frustrasting

You pointed out that guys tend to tell the truth more often then the girls.

and I kind of disagree, girls are VERY predictable,not the guys

you have 2 types of females:
1: the normal ones act just like guys do to things. tend to be selfconfident and honest.

2: and you have the 70% of female fruitcakes that are so easy to see trough. The girls that backstab, the girls that follow fashion as a belief, the girls that cant speak for themself and try to let others speak for them, the girls that cry for all sorts of bullshit. you catch my drift?

I think that girls are more shallow then guys, girls will do anything to be liked or to be seen in a good spotlight. they hardly ever have a voice of their own. changing a mind of the "fruitcake" is piss easy, changing the mind of a normal girl is harder, cuz that 30% isnt fucked up and actually has a thing or 2 things to say.

and girls keep grudges against eachother for months/years while guys cant keep a grudge longer then the argument lasts.

Its only because the 70% is so easy to persuade into some action that i actually communicate to them. the remaining 30% i consider actual human biengs and give them the respect they deserve.

[Kragar]

I think that girls are more shallow then guys, girls will do anything to be liked or to be seen in a good spotlight. they hardly ever have a voice of their own.

I see that as girls being more self-absorbed than guys. They're like cats. They have this impossible-to-break belief that the world revolves around them and their comforts. They also don't pay attention to details and forget a lot of things.

Guys are like dogs. They can be vain and proud and self-absorbed, too, but once they figure otu someone else is the alpha male, they line up behind him and never forget their place. They learn when they've been taught, even it's just reflex and not thought.

Every guy want everyone to think they're the king. Every girl believes that they are already the queen, and will do nothing to jeopardize the illusion.

[OliveButtercup]

[QUOTE=PeterBlair]Thought this might be nice to have again. And I'm drunk, so here goes :p

Spent tonight in a pub, talking to a nice young lady. Spent a couple of hours talking to her one on one (her friends even moved seats to accomodate this) then they all buggered off to get take out.

Heart = ripped out and thrown on ground

Why do women do this? If you're not remotely interested, why bother talking to a guy for hours?

Meh. I'm drunk and in bad spirits. Feel free to add your own miseries.


Just so you know, If I had been that girl, I'd have to at least give you my number. Having already seen you picture on the 'pictures thread', I could superficially say that.

[Pete]

Just so you know, If I had been that girl, I'd have to at least give you my number. Having already seen you picture on the 'pictures thread', I could superficially say that.

Thanks, that's really nice of you - it cheered me up coming from such an attractive young lady :D

Mild glimmer of hope. My mate I was out with bumped into them today and apparently there might be a meet up on the cards on Tuesday. We shall see

[Roxie]

Most girls are wannaB feminists, they want the same rights as men, but only the ones that help them, not the ones that actually matter(opening doors yourself, having to pay your own way, and similar things like that)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHhAHAHAAA!

You think those things actually matter? lollerskates!!

I'll take a few extra women in govn't, the morning after pill over the counter, and govn't subsidized day care, thank you.

I love writing, politics, sociology, and fashion. Deal with it.

You can keep that "guess what I'm thiking" shit. That's some stupid stuff.

[Chelsums]

I actually like guys a lot better than girls. Although a lot of guys are testosterone-driven macho assholes who are only after sex :mad:, there still are many who aren't.

Girls are really vicious. I have been hurt and fucked over by many more girls than guys. I don't understand the point of gossip. And I absolutely hate how girls won't tell you they have a problem with you but instead spread rumors and be nasty. I'd prefer the guy way of, "Yo, you've got a problem? Bring it on! *punch*" Girls don't ever do tell people things directly and it's so irritating. People aren't mind readers!! And I absolutely hate that so many girls have low self-esteem. What the hell is wrong with them? There's nothing wrong with admitting the truth to yourself that you are beautiful.

So I join all you guys in bitching about girls :D

[Chinamerican]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

At least I hope you were joking.

Well it is slightly tongue-in-cheek but there are certain things I tend to tweak at - the aforementioned "manners" issue is one of them. I also do extensive culture shock training for them in case my parents ever want to meet them; if you've ever watched "Joy Luck Club," you'll understand what I'm talking about.

The first time my mom met my bf in person, he was high and he wasn't wearing shoes. He didn't smell like pot or anything but it was just kind of weird and not to mention totally impromptu. All the while I was just thinking "THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!" My parents hate him. I'm beginning to hate him too.

He did something stupid (i.e. very rude, embarassing, insensitive, and hypocritical) and I just totally broke down. He probably knows it by now but he's not getting pussy for another 2 weeks. Maybe it's too much to ask for him to be understanding and supportive but goddamit, it's my pussy and he just lost his priviledges, ALL OF THEM. No sex, no road head, no regular head, no handjobs, not even so much as a peck on the cheek. Sometimes I feel like I'm too easy on him; I mean FFS (for fuck's sake), these are very basic courtesies - when someone has had a bad day or several, you don't make a laundry list of his/her flaws, poke and prod at them and pass them off as "I'm just being honest." It's cruel and uncalled for.

Fuck him, he'll probably just go back to that full-fledged pot smoking habit.

Fuck.

[General_Admission]

Women who think they're ugly can kiss my arse. I swear, I spend so much of my time saying "no, you're not ugly at all" that I should carry around a fucking recording with those words and play it whevener I pass a woman.

OMG! I laughed so hard when I read that. :D

[CNagy]

Pardon my outsider-with-little-knowledge-of-the-situation opinion, but that guy doesn't really sound considerate enough for a good relationship.

[Roxie]

Women who think they're ugly can kiss my arse. I swear, I spend so much of my time saying "no, you're not ugly at all" that I should carry around a fucking recording with those words and play it whevener I pass a woman.
In my experience that feeling is geniune. I've spent most of my life feeling this way. I still can't believe my b/f is really finds me, I mean me, attractive. I've learned not to question it and I never question his true meanings or devotion, b/c his devotion to me is true enough.

Now it's not as bad as it used to be. I actually dress and make up like I care about myself and looking good makes me feel good. However, there is not one day that passes that I do not think about how ugly I feel sometimes.

[Bobbybirdtree]

Women LOVE to beat around the bush. I will never understand women and their games. :o

[General_Admission]

Well it is slightly tongue-in-cheek but there are certain things I tend to tweak at - the aforementioned "manners" issue is one of them. I also do extensive culture shock training for them in case my parents ever want to meet them; if you've ever watched "Joy Luck Club," you'll understand what I'm talking about.

The first time my mom met my bf in person, he was high and he wasn't wearing shoes. He didn't smell like pot or anything but it was just kind of weird and not to mention totally impromptu. All the while I was just thinking "THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!" My parents hate him. I'm beginning to hate him too.

He did something stupid (i.e. very rude, embarassing, insensitive, and hypocritical) and I just totally broke down. He probably knows it by now but he's not getting pussy for another 2 weeks. Maybe it's too much to ask for him to be understanding and supportive but goddamit, it's my pussy and he just lost his priviledges, ALL OF THEM. No sex, no road head, no regular head, no handjobs, not even so much as a peck on the cheek. Sometimes I feel like I'm too easy on him; I mean FFS (for fuck's sake), these are very basic courtesies - when someone has had a bad day or several, you don't make a laundry list of his/her flaws, poke and prod at them and pass them off as "I'm just being honest." It's cruel and uncalled for.

Fuck him, he'll probably just go back to that full-fledged pot smoking habit.

Fuck.

I read the Joy Luck CLub. Doesn't seem like that much of a culture shock.

Are your parent super foby or something?

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Ladder Theory = Owns All

[Soli]

I'm reading through all this and I'm thinking: Ahh, the joys of being too young to seriously be attracted to anyone. :D

[General_Admission]

In my experience that feeling is geniune. I've spent most of my life feeling this way. I still can't believe my b/f is really finds me, I mean me, attractive. I've learned not to question it and I never question his true meanings or devotion, b/c his devotion to me is true enough.

Now it's not as bad as it used to be. I actually dress and make up like I care about myself and looking good makes me feel good. However, there is not one day that passes that I do not think about how ugly I feel sometimes.

wow...

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It's the media that's ruining girls. They see things like "20 ways to please a man' and beleive it. Then as they are reading it they see all these girls with beauty that can never be reached in reality by anyone and start feeling fatter and fatter and uglier and uglier until they have super low self-esteem and then us men have to deal with it. :mad:

If a guy likes you just accept it and don't wonder why. :D

[Chinamerican]

I read the Joy Luck CLub. Doesn't seem like that much of a culture shock.

Are your parent super foby or something?

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Ladder Theory = Owns All

Yes, my parents are super fobby. It's that scene where Waverly is introducing Rich to her parents. My mom LOVES that scene. I have a feeling it's going to happen to me one day.

[Chinamerican]

In my experience that feeling is geniune. I've spent most of my life feeling this way. I still can't believe my b/f is really finds me, I mean me, attractive. I've learned not to question it and I never question his true meanings or devotion, b/c his devotion to me is true enough.

Now it's not as bad as it used to be. I actually dress and make up like I care about myself and looking good makes me feel good. However, there is not one day that passes that I do not think about how ugly I feel sometimes.

It's funny b/c I think the opposite. It's probably b/c looks have been on the very last part of the priority list when it comes to picking a bf. That or perhaps it's b/c my bf is more introverted than I am. I tend not to think of him as having low self-esteem but there are just some things that strike me a result of being introverted rather than having a distorted view of one's self-image.

As for myself, I take the Dolly Parton route towards looks but probably less extreme - "Sure I've had some work. If it's sagging, dragging or baggin I'll nip it, tuck it, or suck it." I feel that regardless of gender, it's your job to keep your mate smitten b/c let's face it, looks count and they count even more when you're in a relationship. Everyone thinks that it's ok to let it all hang out when you feel nice and secure in a relationship - IT'S NOT. People get bored and you lettin' yourself go is just gonna make them head for the door, or the next available piece of ass that much quicker.

Call me superficial but I think of it as being realistic. Anyone that tells you that looks don't count (or the polar opposite, that looks are everything) is lying or stupid. My mum constantly preserves her face but will never resort to plastic surgery. Hell, she won't even get her eyebrows plucked! But she looks fantastic for her age and aside from her daily lipstick, she doesn't wear any makeup at all. She dresses for the occasion but she isn't too preoccupied w/ how she looks b/c there are more important things.

Trust me Roxie, we all have things we can improve on but from the pics I've seen of you, you are NOT ugly. Physically ugly is surviving ebola or the marburg virus - google at your own risk.

[Dead Sexy Vocab]

I hate it when fat chics wear spandex.

[delen]

i like girls because they give you pleasure and make babies for you

can you imagine having to make babies yourself? that would suck.

[Corinthian]

My biggest gripe about females would have to be..........

The Friend Zone. See, I am a simple creature. We aren't complicated. Some guys can handle it better than others but, when you have deep convos with a person. And i mean deep. The ones that only you and your girlfriend talk about. You put a type of trust to that person. Holds them in a higher light. And when you make a move you get that almighty "F" word. Worst thing ever. Put all this time into somebody and they dont feel the same.

and theeeeeen


Females wonder why dudes use the phrase "Fuck a Bitch".

This is just me though.

[Chinamerican]

I hate it when fat chics wear spandex.

Spandex - A priviledge, not a right.

I prefer spandex blends anyway. Those shiny spandex leotards = partner having a bad grip on you in a lift and you getting a concussion!

i like girls because they give you pleasure and make babies for you

can you imagine having to make babies yourself? that would suck.

If you had to bleed 7 days out of every month when you weren't pregnant, I think you'd be cranky too. Thank you for being understanding <3

[Kragar]

wow...

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It's the media that's ruining girls. They see things like "20 ways to please a man' and beleive it. Then as they are reading it they see all these girls with beauty that can never be reached in reality by anyone and start feeling fatter and fatter and uglier and uglier until they have super low self-esteem and then us men have to deal with it. :mad:

NO.

It is not the fricking media's fault. It's something inherent in women. Sorry, ladies, but it's true.

Women, and especially young women, are just as competitive as men. Their competition grounds are the social world and not the sports field. They hack at each other just as viciously as win-mad jocks would. And just as some of those same jocks would have steroids to increase their ability to win and damn the consequences, young women have anorexia and bulemia and all the other cosmetic madness.

This is NOT media driven. The media just profits off the sickness that already exists. The media does NOT force the women to compete with the images because it doesn't have to. A lot of women, especially those too young to truly have self-confidence, will naturally compete.

We like to think of children as naturally kind and innocent. For some that's true. For others, they are naturally vicious and competitive, and will do anything to win. Letting the second-best feel good is a sign of maturity, and is not a natural reaction. It must be taught.

[h2orowe]

If you want to hear a fucked up story, go to my thread in stories.
That's my bitch. I bitched. It's all in there.

[Chinamerican]

NO.

It is not the fricking media's fault. It's something inherent in women. Sorry, ladies, but it's true.

Women, and especially young women, are just as competitive as men. Their competition grounds are the social world and not the sports field. They hack at each other just as viciously as win-mad jocks would. And just as some of those same jocks would have steroids to increase their ability to win and damn the consequences, young women have anorexia and bulemia and all the other cosmetic madness.

This is NOT media driven. The media just profits off the sickness that already exists. The media does NOT force the women to compete with the images because it doesn't have to. A lot of women, especially those too young to truly have self-confidence, will naturally compete.

We like to think of children as naturally kind and innocent. For some that's true. For others, they are naturally vicious and competitive, and will do anything to win. Letting the second-best feel good is a sign of maturity, and is not a natural reaction. It must be taught.

I'm sorry, the denial of the effect of the media's presence in children's lives is [excuse the bluntness] ignorant. I agree with your stance that children are naturally competitive and strive for attention; I mean, many children lash out at a young age when a new sibling arrives but I don't think it's by any means permanent unless that resentment is nurtured in some way.

The media creates an ideal that very few can fulfill. Isn't that by definition "ideal" anyway? Of course no one is pointing a gun at their head forcing them to be leggy, big-breasted, amazonian dolts but when you feed those images in constantly, promising them the world if they can fulfill this ideal, many unconsciously choose to buy into it. And when I say buy, I really mean buy - read up on Marxist theory about simulated markets and you'll know what I mean.

The media is a very powerful tool in determining what is feminine and what is masculine and to deny on how it plays on that would be equivalent to shutting your eyes, clasping your ears, and going "LALALALLALALALALA FUCK YOU!" to reality.

[Roxie]

My biggest gripe about females would have to be..........

The Friend Zone. See, I am a simple creature. We aren't complicated. Some guys can handle it better than others but, when you have deep convos with a person. And i mean deep. The ones that only you and your girlfriend talk about. You put a type of trust to that person. Holds them in a higher light. And when you make a move you get that almighty "F" word. Worst thing ever. Put all this time into somebody and they dont feel the same.

and theeeeeen


Females wonder why dudes use the phrase "Fuck a Bitch".

This is just me though.
There's an easy way to stay out of the friend zone. Say in plain english "I'm interested in you as date/girlfriend/fuckbuddy/whatever." It's your own fault if you get stuck there.

Take control of the situation if it's not going your way and make it known. And guys always complain about women not being clear :p
NO.

It is not the fricking media's fault. It's something inherent in women. Sorry, ladies, but it's true.

The media does NOT force the women to compete with the images because it doesn't have to.
you're obviously not a woman. i bet you've never been a young adolescent girl either. you've obviously haven't studied the media either.

I can feel awesome about myself until I look at a woman's magazine. Then there's a host of things wrong with me and why I'm not good enough and there's this enormous guilt I feel from it. This is why I believe Cosmo is the devil.

[Snake eyeS]

There's an easy way to stay out of the friend zone. Say in plain english "I'm interested in you as date/girlfriend/fuckbuddy/whatever." It's your own fault if you get stuck there.

Take control of the situation if it's not going your way and make it known. And guys always complain about women not being clear :p


If i would do that the chances of letting that girl get to know me and like me are slim. I cant blurt out in the first 10 minutes that i want to have a relation with her, that will scare the shit out of a girl.

If someone is truely intrested in a girl.. he doesnt want to do what he does to his flirts(be blunt about wanting to get with her) He will try to be nice and let this girl get to know him.. its a stupid twitch in a girls head that you goto the "friend zone" whenever you lay off the flirting and just try to be her friend so you can go from there.

I've been testing this stuff out and it really ticks me off to see that if im rude and show little respect, girls swarm around me. and if i play the game bieng myself, nice and friendly and intrested, i get pushed aside when a bad boy comes by.
Someone ones wrote here that a man can turn a good friendship with a girl into a relationship, but a girl cant/wont do that. thats just wrong.

@ Chinamerican: if you woudnt like it, you would have kicked him to the curve along time ago, it seems to me you kind of enjoy his behaviour, rebellious to your parents, bieng rude and blunt about stuff. My best guess is that you will be having sex again within 2 days. or am i mistaken in presuming you go for the bad boy because the trouble he brings entertains you?

[Kragar]

I'm sorry, the denial of the effect of the media's presence in children's lives is [excuse the bluntness] ignorant. I agree with your stance that children are naturally competitive and strive for attention; I mean, many children lash out at a young age when a new sibling arrives but I don't think it's by any means permanent unless that resentment is nurtured in some way.

The media creates an ideal that very few can fulfill. Isn't that by definition "ideal" anyway? Of course no one is pointing a gun at their head forcing them to be leggy, big-breasted, amazonian dolts but when you feed those images in constantly, promising them the world if they can fulfill this ideal, many unconsciously choose to buy into it. And when I say buy, I really mean buy - read up on Marxist theory about simulated markets and you'll know what I mean.

The media is a very powerful tool in determining what is feminine and what is masculine and to deny on how it plays on that would be equivalent to shutting your eyes, clasping your ears, and going "LALALALLALALALALA FUCK YOU!" to reality.

Nope. I'd accept if you said the media powerfully reinforces the ideas of feminine and masculine, but it does NOT create them. Many of the ideas and ideals are already a part of culture, and that's a factor that should not be dismissed.

What happens if you take the media out of the equation? I've lived in Taiwan for the past three years, and I've dealt with a number of people who came from an environment that wasn't nearly as media-soaked as America is. Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Indonesian -- sure, they have television, but it isn't as all pervasive as it is in America. This is especially true for Vietnamese, since it's still a Communist state that for a long time has had strict control of the media.

Guess what? The competitiveness is still there. The clamoring for white skin and large breasts is still there. There are women in mainland China who are getting their legs surgically lengthened so they can get better jobs and better husbands. There are cases of plastic surgeons being sued because people didn't get promotions after the plastic surgery. As a matter of fact, I'd say that the competitiveness is greater here. Can you imagine what your body image would be if your friends greeted you with, "You've gotten fat." That happens here, every day, with girls who are already too thin. Is there media pressure for this? No. Is there social pressure? Yes.

Originally, a single person could only be in competition with the people that they encounter in their local area. The hometown beauty queen could be the most beautiful person a man would ever see, and she didn't even have to be that beautiful. Now, thanks to the media, that same man can see every shape, size and form of beauty available on the Internet, doing things that no sane person would have asked their wife, or even a prostitute, to do. Mostly for free.

The media has simply expanded our perspectives. It was widened the playing field, permitting a global view of the players on the field. The only problem is the single person is still only competing for people on the local level. That means, no matter what shapes and forms of beauty are presented in the media, a person can only date people they meet (cybersex not withstanding). The media does not create this local environment. The media does not control the people you meet in your life. If I had a thing for, say Rachel McAdams, it doesn't matter because I will never, ever meet her or have a chance to date her. I can only date someone that I've actually, you know, met, and I can only compete against the people that she has met, because those are the only people she can date.*

The media is like those books on explosives that they sell at gun shows. Somewhere on the cover, there's always a warning that says something like, "This book is being provided for educational purposes only. The contents should never be used to actually create a bomb." People who buy them always want to build bombs, even if in the end they don't.

The media gives techniques and information about dealing with relationships. Most of it is bullshit that never worked in the first place, but how are you supposed to know that? It actually does not present itself as the truth. TV and ad producers all agree that television is fantasy, a lie for pushing product. If you're going to accept the claims of an admitted liar at face value, then what can anyone do to help you? If you're going to base your self-image off of the words of a charlatan, what then?

To paraphrase someone famous, if media were as all-powerful as you make it out to be, then everyone would be in love with someone and there'd be peace in the world, because 90% of all products push that ideal. It ain't so, because people are still only seeing and reacting to what's around them in their local environment.

*Unless you're dealing with someone who is waiting for the perfect wo/man, which is a choice that has always been available, at all times, everywhere.

you're obviously not a woman. i bet you've never been a young adolescent girl either. you've obviously haven't studied the media either.

Oh, I've studied, alright. I just wasn't looking for an enemy at the time and let the data inform me.

[Pete]

you're obviously not a woman. i bet you've never been a young adolescent girl either. you've obviously haven't studied the media either.

I can feel awesome about myself until I look at a woman's magazine. Then there's a host of things wrong with me and why I'm not good enough and there's this enormous guilt I feel from it. This is why I believe Cosmo is the devil.

I think men should start getting t-shirts made that say:-

"We're not intested in stick-thin women, who are plastered in makeup, dressed like sluts who are covered in fake tan, have gone through plastic surgery or look like Joan Collins"

Seriously, the most attractive thing to me is a woman who is comfortable in her body, isn't wearing much make up* and is smiling. Honestly. Stick thin girls make me feel a bit ill (for example, look at Lyndsay Lohan now compared to the good Mean Girl days... or Marissa from the OC.).

*Although I can be a sucker for really dark eyeshadow around the eye.

[OliveButtercup]

I think men should start getting t-shirts made that say:-

"We're not intested in stick-thin women, who are plastered in makeup, dressed like sluts who are covered in fake tan, have gone through plastic surgery or look like Joan Collins"

Seriously, the most attractive thing to me is a woman who is comfortable in her body, isn't wearing much make up* and is smiling. Honestly. Stick thin girls make me feel a bit ill (for example, look at Lyndsay Lohan now compared to the good Mean Girl days... or Marissa from the OC.).

*Although I can be a sucker for really dark eyeshadow around the eye.

Pete! you're so cool :p

[Kragar]

I think men should start getting t-shirts made that say:-

"We're not intested in stick-thin women, who are plastered in makeup, dressed like sluts who are covered in fake tan, have gone through plastic surgery or look like Joan Collins"

Seriously, the most attractive thing to me is a woman who is comfortable in her body, isn't wearing much make up* and is smiling. Honestly. Stick thin girls make me feel a bit ill (for example, look at Lyndsay Lohan now compared to the good Mean Girl days... or Marissa from the OC.).

*Although I can be a sucker for really dark eyeshadow around the eye.


Right on!

Over on another message board we have a smiley that has two beer glasses clinking together. That would be very appropriate here.

[Praetorian]

I think men should start getting t-shirts made that say:-

"We're not intested in stick-thin women, who are plastered in makeup, dressed like sluts who are covered in fake tan, have gone through plastic surgery or look like Joan Collins"

Seriously, the most attractive thing to me is a woman who is comfortable in her body, isn't wearing much make up* and is smiling. Honestly. Stick thin girls make me feel a bit ill (for example, look at Lyndsay Lohan now compared to the good Mean Girl days... or Marissa from the OC.).

*Although I can be a sucker for really dark eyeshadow around the eye.


Cheers to that. http://www.mmorpg.com/images/emoticons/emt_beer.gifhttp://www.mmorpg.com/images/emoticons/emt_beer.gif

[Clark_Kent]

Seriously. Who can bitch about women?
They are warm and squishy and oh so good.
I defy you to find anything wrong with them that can't be rebutted with that.

[Chinamerican]

@ Chinamerican: if you woudnt like it, you would have kicked him to the curve along time ago, it seems to me you kind of enjoy his behaviour, rebellious to your parents, bieng rude and blunt about stuff. My best guess is that you will be having sex again within 2 days. or am i mistaken in presuming you go for the bad boy because the trouble he brings entertains you?

He's not really a bad boy in most senses of the term. I should have kicked him to the curb a long time ago and I've come close but I tend to blow up when things around me aren't going right; by the time that incident had happened, a lot of other stuff was already going around me that he knew about but he deliberately prodded. Then something stupid happened and the shit hit the fan. It's a case of misguided efforts and I was sorry I overreacted and he's apologised profusely.

He does entertain me - all my men do. They're all little pet projects. I don't say it to sound like a bitch but people do change when they're in a relationship and it's probably a good thing if you change for the better, regardless of gender. I've said it time and again and having him as a boyfriend is like having a second little brother; he's lashed out when I start chewing out my little brother and he says I sound like his older sister (he has one).

We're both pretty introverted, him more than I so the good thing about that is that we're able to talk our problems out rather than merely reacting to each other, no matter how ugly it gets. Self-reflection is a very good thing in relationships. And the makeup sex is always great :D

[Expert Insomniac]

She said 'Nice to meet you Jack-uh I mean Peter' referencing earlier in the night when she'd misheard me introducing myself. At that point she was standing up to go with the friends and if I'd asked for her number it would have been really awkward and probably failed.

Ah, but here's the thing: it might have been awkward, yes.

But you have three possible outcomes.

1. You ask for her number, and she gives it to you.
2. You ask for her number, and she doesn't give it to you, and you never see her again.
3. You don't ask for her number, and you never see her again.

The only way that situation could really be embarassing is if you ask her for her number, she says no, and it's awkward every time you see her again. However, since you'll only see her again if she does give you her number... go for it! You'll never win if you don't try!

[Chinamerican]

Nope. I'd accept if you said the media powerfully reinforces the ideas of feminine and masculine, but it does NOT create them. Many of the ideas and ideals are already a part of culture, and that's a factor that should not be dismissed.

What happens if you take the media out of the equation? I've lived in Taiwan for the past three years, and I've dealt with a number of people who came from an environment that wasn't nearly as media-soaked as America is. Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Indonesian -- sure, they have television, but it isn't as all pervasive as it is in America. This is especially true for Vietnamese, since it's still a Communist state that for a long time has had strict control of the media.

Guess what? The competitiveness is still there. The clamoring for white skin and large breasts is still there. There are women in mainland China who are getting their legs surgically lengthened so they can get better jobs and better husbands. There are cases of plastic surgeons being sued because people didn't get promotions after the plastic surgery. As a matter of fact, I'd say that the competitiveness is greater here. Can you imagine what your body image would be if your friends greeted you with, "You've gotten fat." That happens here, every day, with girls who are already too thin. Is there media pressure for this? No. Is there social pressure? Yes.

Well couldn't you argue that that is a media pressure b/c China is rapidly industrialising and opening up to the west? The clamoring for white skin was there before Westerners ever arrived. If you look at the Han dynasty in China, women did paint their skin white (much to the gripe of some people watching Disney's Mulan that thought they had mixed Japanese w/ Chinese).

I have written in some other posts that wanting paler skin has a biological reason behind it. Women that go through pregnancy may suffer a condition called "melasma," which results in the PERMANENT darkening of the skin, sometimes uneven. Of course there are to sociological reasons for it but most people already know this so I won't go into it. Pale skin and full, perky breasts are a sign of youth and many women want to emulate it.

Many plastic surgeons get sued b/c they botch up the surgery. There is a lot of back-door surgery going on there and I've heard some horror stories.

I would argue that the "you've gotten fat" thing is a cultural difference. I find that Chinese people, as obtuse as they can be sometimes, are brutally honest w/ people they are close with. My mother tells me that when I come back from university but she also tells me "you look pale, have you been eating enough?" So mixed messages? Yes. I find that family members and close friends will NOT lie to you and tell you you're not fat/ugly/etc. Better that you find out from someone you love than to make an ass of yourself in a poorly fitted dress right?


Originally, a single person could only be in competition with the people that they encounter in their local area. The hometown beauty queen could be the most beautiful person a man would ever see, and she didn't even have to be that beautiful. Now, thanks to the media, that same man can see every shape, size and form of beauty available on the Internet, doing things that no sane person would have asked their wife, or even a prostitute, to do. Mostly for free.

The media has simply expanded our perspectives. It was widened the playing field, permitting a global view of the players on the field. The only problem is the single person is still only competing for people on the local level. That means, no matter what shapes and forms of beauty are presented in the media, a person can only date people they meet (cybersex not withstanding). The media does not create this local environment. The media does not control the people you meet in your life. If I had a thing for, say Rachel McAdams, it doesn't matter because I will never, ever meet her or have a chance to date her. I can only date someone that I've actually, you know, met, and I can only compete against the people that she has met, because those are the only people she can date.*

I agree that media has expanded our perspectives - actually, that's "globalisation" but w/e, media is a large subset of it. I will argue that it does aid in the creation of new ideals of masculinity and feminity; how else do you explain "metrosexual" and that gawd-awful emo music? There is a very simple example that I think everyone can understand actually - abs! Everyone is clamoring for abs in this generation but before that, it was huge arms. Huge arms were the thing for men b/c many of them worked on farms and that ruggedness represented [American] masculinity. Skip ahead a few decades, add industrialisation and globalisation and all of a sudden, it's all about abs. Well-toned abs on a "power professional" says to others "I'm a busy professional yet I have the time and money to invest in these abs." They're the hardest part to work and contrary to many exercise programs, there's no such thing as "spot conditioning."


The media is like those books on explosives that they sell at gun shows. Somewhere on the cover, there's always a warning that says something like, "This book is being provided for educational purposes only. The contents should never be used to actually create a bomb." People who buy them always want to build bombs, even if in the end they don't.

The media gives techniques and information about dealing with relationships. Most of it is bullshit that never worked in the first place, but how are you supposed to know that? It actually does not present itself as the truth. TV and ad producers all agree that television is fantasy, a lie for pushing product. If you're going to accept the claims of an admitted liar at face value, then what can anyone do to help you? If you're going to base your self-image off of the words of a charlatan, what then?

To paraphrase someone famous, if media were as all-powerful as you make it out to be, then everyone would be in love with someone and there'd be peace in the world, because 90% of all products push that ideal. It ain't so, because people are still only seeing and reacting to what's around them in their local environment.


What happened to the role of the "smart consumer?" There's gotta be some responsibility on the part of the consumer, assuming he/she is a rational adult. That notion is not completely correct just b/c the media may be powerful, but it may not be effective. You said that it's just an image that they're selling so they have considerably less impact on the world than the notion would imply. There's a term for people who are dumb enough to buy into EVERYTHING that's advertised to them - TOOL:

http://www.voideity.com/funny/toolpic.jpg

Heh, I just needed something to lighten up this thread.

[Kragar]

Well couldn't you argue that that is a media pressure b/c China is rapidly industrialising and opening up to the west?

But there is a large difference between their viewing habits and American viewing habits. Television hasn't gotten to the point where it's threatening to replace the national culture.

*snip stuff I don't have a comment on*

Many plastic surgeons get sued b/c they botch up the surgery. There is a lot of back-door surgery going on there and I've heard some horror stories.

We're talking successful surgeries without any complicatons. It's just that the people got the surgeries because they had certain goals in mind (either in their career or their social life) and didn't achieve them, then turned around and sued the doctor. Of course, it might be cases where the doctor promised that the sugery would have a postive effect on those matters, which makes it almost false advertising. I didn't read too much into the stories.

I would argue that the "you've gotten fat" thing is a cultural difference. I find that Chinese people, as obtuse as they can be sometimes, are brutally honest w/ people they are close with. My mother tells me that when I come back from university but she also tells me "you look pale, have you been eating enough?" So mixed messages? Yes. I find that family members and close friends will NOT lie to you and tell you you're not fat/ugly/etc. Better that you find out from someone you love than to make an ass of yourself in a poorly fitted dress right?

One flaw in the argument: not close friends. We're talking co-workers, students talking to teachers, casual acquaintances. People that you've never had a serious conversation with in your life. People who aren't doing it to help you. They do it because they see it and focus on it and don't have enough social filter to keep their mouths shut.

They are also saying it because of 1-2 pounds. Not significant weight gain. Nothing to threaten a dress size.

There is a very simple example that I think everyone can understand actually - abs! Everyone is clamoring for abs in this generation but before that, it was huge arms. Huge arms were the thing for men b/c many of them worked on farms and that ruggedness represented [American] masculinity. Skip ahead a few decades, add industrialisation and globalisation and all of a sudden, it's all about abs. Well-toned abs on a "power professional" says to others "I'm a busy professional yet I have the time and money to invest in these abs." They're the hardest part to work and contrary to many exercise programs, there's no such thing as "spot conditioning."

There might also be something about sexuality, and the fact that big arms don't really help you in the sack.

What happened to the role of the "smart consumer?" There's gotta be some responsibility on the part of the consumer, assuming he/she is a rational adult. That notion is not completely correct just b/c the media may be powerful, but it may not be effective. You said that it's just an image that they're selling so they have considerably less impact on the world than the notion would imply. There's a term for people who are dumb enough to buy into EVERYTHING that's advertised to them - TOOL

...which was the point I was driving at in my own way. Does that mean you agree with me, or at least see where I'm coming from?

Huzzah.

[Pete]

Went out tonight. No sign of her. Bah :( Back to being a disheartened guy.

[karioskasra]

Seriously. Who can bitch about women?
They are warm and squishy and oh so good.
I defy you to find anything wrong with them that can't be rebutted with that.

Holy teenage angst, Batman. But you're right, it's just a few people unloading some steam. Most of us are actually either well-adjusted or too far off the deep end to give a flying llama :D

[Pete]

Boy is it sad to be bumping this myself.

Met the girls from before last night, spent the whole night talking to the girl I was interested in, lots of flirting etc. got her and her friends numbers.

There were tentative plans made to meet up tonight, as I was already meeting a friend of mine. I said I'd let them know when and where etc.

I texted to let her know time and place etc... No response. Went out as planned, had a good night catching up with my friend but no sign of them.

TBH I can't be bothered with this sort of being messed about - if she's not interested she's not interested. Unless she texts me tomorrow saying why she wasn't there (and if the excuse wasn't 'My arms fell off' I don't want to know) I'm giving up any interest.

I'm still amazed by the capacity of a woman to mess you about.

[Arvynia]

Peter = I'm experiencing the same with men and their inconsistencies. I already gave up. For now at least. I'm burnt out from everything. I don't even care about meeting guys right now. I'm just going to concentrate on what makes me happy. I kinda figured I wanna work on myself and be the type of person that someone wants to be with first before I try to LOOK for a guy that is somone "I" want to be with.

They'll come flocking to me. ;)

[Dana]

I read the whole thread, took me almost an hour! I have to say for the most part I agree with everything you guys said about girls. I have always thought that wearing trendy clothing and makeup and stuff is for girls to impress other girls, because we all know boys don't appreciate the subtleties of fashion ^__~

I don't think most girls are vindictive bitches, out to get you though. I have a lot of girlfriends and I am confident that none of them talk about me (in a nasty way) behind my back. Though that may be because I don't hang out with people I don't like, which I know a lot of girls actually do. Never understood that one, though I assume it has something to do with bad self-esteem. A lot of girls need someone around who they can feel superior to. I feel superior to everyone, so its never a problem XD

Some things about boys that drive me insane: You really can not just be friends, even when you DO tell them you only want to be friends. I don't know if you lot think I am just playing hard to get when I say things like that, but I have never had a friendship with a man last longer than a year. Its sad really.

Boys will not sleep near eachother!! Right now I have a group of friends that is made up of mostly males and me and one other female. Whenever we go somewhere together and have to crash on any given floor, its always me and the other girl who have to sleep on the crack of the futons or double up in a twin bed because boys just can not stand to be anywhere near eachother when they sleep. I find that so stupid and childish!!

I hate that boys treat you differently when they are with their friends. I am not asking you to be all lovey dovey, but not making fun of me and my friends would be nice.

Now a question for all the boys:

I am a confident person and I believe I am relatively good looking. I like my body, I don't wear too much make up, and I consider myself to be at least mildly interesting. I haven't had a boyfriend in more than two years now. Anyone out there got any theories on why no one seems to be interested in me?? I guess its not a fair question since you have no idea who I am or what I look like, but superficially I have been wondering about it for a while now...

edit: Here is a picture (http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kwambuka/detail?.dir=/1b45&.dnm=80fe.jpg&.src=ph) I am in the red.

[history1me]

Hey PeterBlair, don't get down. It's a numbers game. You strike out... hey it happens. Just don't sit on the bleachers, for then, you're sure to miss out and loose the game. So get out there and pound some balls!

Dana, you're a cute girl. You sound intelligent and witty, there are a multitude of reasons that might answer your question. I wont pretend to know the answer. I'll tell you however, what has worked for me (around 70% of the time). It attitude, be it seductive or confident, I put "it" out there. Look in the eyes, the smile, holding hands for a bit longer than it's expected and so on. If you like a guy and if he's not with anybody, go up to him and make it known what you want. If that doesn't help, give him a few drinks (I'm joking, but if it helps, why not).

[General_Admission]

I read the whole thread, took me almost an hour!...

*snip*

...I am in the red.

I don't want to be mean, but I don't find you attractive. :( I never lie unless necessary. Especially when I have the protection of the internet. :D

I do not have much exp in dating (damn parents wouldn't let me date until late Junior year...JUNIOR YEAR! & i had to beg!...bastards), but I have been hit on many many times. I don't try...it just happens. Sometimes they will come to me, but usually I will just notice them flirting or having an eye for me and I will let it build for a week or two and then ask her out on a date.

So yeah, I'm all for letting people come to you and then filtering them.

But yeah, I don't like girls who are perfect. I have too many fetishes, er things I find attractive in girls that the majority does not. :D To me loyalty is much more important than her being some trophy girl I can drag around with me so I look like a winner.

Why all the stress over these relationships. I mean wtf? Just go out and have fun. Don't stress about what other people do b/c u can't change people.

Then again, I have only read some of the posts here.

EDIT:

Dana, you're a cute girl. You sound intelligent and witty, there are a multitude of reasons that might answer your question. I wont pretend to know the answer. I'll tell you however, what has worked for me (around 70% of the time). It attitude, be it seductive or confident, I put "it" out there. Look in the eyes, the smile, holding hands for a bit longer than it's expected and so on. If you like a guy and if he's not with anybody, go up to him and make it known what you want. If that doesn't help, give him a few drinks (I'm joking, but if it helps, why not).


Yeah, but don't pretend to be desperate. This one Russian girl did that to me and it was such a turn off. She actually pretended to be like a baby or something? WTF is that!?!

One thing I would like is if a girl was jsut direct to me w/o being pushy. Just poked me or soemthing and then started a conversation. I also like it when girls jsut come up to you and radomly hug you for no reason at all or for the smallest reason. That is really cute. :o

EDIT II: Also, don't forget, you can always go to the morgue and dig up your man. 'turn me on turn me on MR DEADMAN!' - Union Underground :P

[Arvynia]

If you are confident and believe that you are pretty good looking, just leave it at that. Don't question why guys aren't flocking to you. Perhaps you're just a special gal who needs a special guy. And no guy yet is special enough for you. ;)

In my experience, the more I turn the guy down, the more they seem to want me. I don't know what I am to them, but I don't really care to find out - sometimes I feel like it's all a joke to them, like a challenge or something. But if it is one thing I learned about the game of love, it's never let it show that you're looking.

For me, that's a turn off. I just like to "hit it" - I don't want to know the guy is looking for a mate.

I hate manipulative guys.

[koku]

you need women, women you need men.

Let's all stop pretending like we don't and live happliy ever so mellow ever after.


the end.

[General_Admission]

you need women, women you need men.

Let's all stop pretending like we don't and live happliy ever so mellow ever after.


the end.

AMEN! :D

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[Arvynia]

well, many of us are still boys and girls...

[Dana]

yeah i am still a girl... definitely! But Arvynia, I agree with what you said, and for the most part I am just letting it be. But sometimes I get a little frustrated. I guess I could just be being too... casual about it though. I definitely don't go out looking for a guy on a regular basis. Eh, I am lazy, what can I say!

Kokujin: Unless your are gay, then "men you need men and women you need women!" ^__~

[Pete]

Texted said girl on Monday night asking if she'd be up for a meetup on the Tuesday. No reply...

Still hadn't heard anything back on Tuesday so headed out to the pub I'd said we'd be at. Was there with my mate from about 9pm, and then saw the girl and her friend show up at about 10.30pm.

I wasn't too sure what to do as they were there but I hadn't heard anything. I asked my friend and he said he'd go to the toilet and let them know we were here etc. He went over and said hi to them, and the girl asked who hewas here with, he said me, she said she'd gotten a text message from me but didn't have any credit. My friend then told them where we were sitting etc. and invited them to join us.

He came back, told me this, and I was fairly pleased. Now the wait began... I waited about 45 minutes and still no sign of them. So I went up to go the toilet and walk past them, thinking I'd just strike up a conversation and that'd get things going. Walked up, went in, and on the way back said hello to her friend and the guy she was chatting to, but the girl on the other hand was sitting down with her back to me and deep in conversation with one of her friends. I didn't really feel like I could break in so went and sat back down... For most of the evening she seemed to be talking to some other guy, who may have been one of the many guys she expressed an interest in.

Waited a while longer in the hopes the friend would say I was definitely here etc. Still nothing. Gave my friend some cash to go to the bar and see if they were still there. Yup, and while he was there he met some of our friends and blatantly pointed to where we were sitting etc.

The wait continued. I'd had enough by this point so went up to the bar to get a drink... I saw the girl talking to her friend and saw the friend see me, and say something to the girl... The girl kept her back to me and continued talking to her. Basically about as blatant ignoring as you can get.

At this point I'd had enough and pretty much just wanted to go. My friend kept pestering me and saying I should just talk to them but tbh I could tell I wasn't wanted and didn't want to make an even bigger prat of myself but he then ran over to them to tell them we were leaving, with me reluctantly in tow. She made some sort of feeble protests about us leaving to him, saw me, smiled and waved, which I returned fairly half heartedly and turned away.

Went home, pissed off, splitting headache and not best pleased. So there you go.

[Trump]

Stop running your life around her. Do the things you want to do. Go to the bar and maybe let her know you are going but don't expect to hear from her ever. If she shows up and you hit things off, great. Regardless, start talking to other girls because that's why you were there anyway.

[Snake eyeS]

snip
Damn dont you just hate it when that happends? :/
not sure what the girl was thinking but that was playing extremely hard to get. but it was good you turned around and walked off, if you would given in her protest of you 2 leaving you still would of ended up with the same result. Cant give you any adivce but to just try again, maybe tell her you were felling sick of that you had something on your mind, and thats why you didnt went up to say hi and stick around.

[Pete]

TBH I don't think it's worth persevering with her as she seems intent on messing me about/playing games. All she had to do was say hi at any point and apologise to me for being out of credit.

I'm just going to act as disinterested as possible next time I see her.

[Snake eyeS]

TBH I don't think it's worth persevering with her as she seems intent on messing me about/playing games. All she had to do was say hi at any point and apologise to me for being out of credit.

I'm just going to act as disinterested as possible next time I see her.


Yepp that can work aswell, but expect her to to the exact same thing, girls pickup on this real fast.. just do it like 2 times orso, then supirse her by sneaking up from behind and asking "am i the only one playing hard to get..or are your guilty of it aswell?" *SMILE*

just a thought :)

[Pete]

I think a clean break is the way to go really, I don't want to be involved if there's going to be conflicting signals all over the place. It's not worth the aggro.

[Ceirnian]

Just walk up to her and say straight up "Are you interested in me or not? I'm starting to get annoyed by these games you play". That way you find out which one it is.

[Katiekoneko]

Thought this might be nice to have again. And I'm drunk, so here goes :p

Spent tonight in a pub, talking to a nice young lady. Spent a couple of hours talking to her one on one (her friends even moved seats to accomodate this) then they all buggered off to get take out.

Heart = ripped out and thrown on ground

Why do women do this? If you're not remotely interested, why bother talking to a guy for hours?

Meh. I'm drunk and in bad spirits. Feel free to add your own miseries.

Pete


Im just wondering..
What do you mean by interested? Like in going HOME with you? Or... Like you asked her out "sometime"
Im just a bit confused.
Sometimes girls just like making new friends. Ive talked with people before for a while- guys and girls.. Doesnt mean I want to be WITH them.

But I might be misunderstanding the sitch. Because you left out part of it.

[Pete]

Interested as in going out with me and not just flirting for fun and for the sake of it... Have a look at my latest two posts on page four for the last few things that've happened.

[Katiekoneko]

Ah okay
Hmm.. .well I dont think its every girl who does that.
I never did.
I did have some guy -who is even JUST A FRIEND. Do that kind of stuff with me.
I met him a while ago
And I was talking to him online cuz he said he was comming into town and that we should hang out.
Gave me his new #. I called her wasnt in yet. So I talk to him afew days later and his car broke down. Still wants to hang out. I call him later and ask him to go to the bar.
He says he'll call his cousin and ask if he wants to go since he's 19 and can go out and drink now. He never calls me back.
I know it isnt the same sitch.. its almost the total re-versal. But why would he give me his # anyhow?! Like .. I think alot of ppl play mind games no matter what.

[Bobbybirdtree]

Yeah games are fun, until you have played them a million times! :D

[Roxie]

TBH I don't think it's worth persevering with her as she seems intent on messing me about/playing games. All she had to do was say hi at any point and apologise to me for being out of credit.

I'm just going to act as disinterested as possible next time I see her.
You're too darn hot to be dealing with all of her bullshit. Remember that and you'll be a-ok.

[Pete]

I know it's not every girl who does that - I just need to vent this a bit. It just seems to be every girl I've tried to start a relationship with has done it to me. I don't feel very hot when I've not had a long term relationship (or really much in the way of notable relationships at 21!). I know I'm not picking the wrong women, as I've changed what I look for in a lot over the years and it's had no effect. I'm just sick of playing games when I'd rather actually get a relationship off the ground.

I think I'll just give up again for a while, as the stress isn't worth it atm.

[Roxie]

If ever girl you run into has done this to you, perhaps you need to look at yourself.

See who you are attracted to and why you're attracted to them. People often follow a pattern in picking people for partners (say that 5 times fast!) and don't realize it. You should really take a good look at yourself.

[Pete]

Well not every girl lol. There was some real fun with a stalker girl who sent me 20+ text messages a day. It's not that this has always happened, it's been a mixture of getting into the friends zone, girls not being interested and then other things like being 15 and being crap at relationships.

I really don't think it's me, unless I'm putting out some psychotic vibe that I'm not aware of. I just seem to have bad timing.

[Katiekoneko]

Oh
so pretty much what you're going through is the same as alot of other ppl you mean then? :P

Ya.. ppl are odd. You should stop "trying" for a relationship. And still talk to ppl. You might be surprised.


Is it weird for a girl to ask a guy out? Ive heard no. But only if they girl is extreemly goodlooking.

[JudoPorkChop]

No. If a girl asks me out, I assume she's confident enough to go after what she wants. Far from wierd.

[Katiekoneko]

Ive heard alot of guys say they would LOVE a girl to ask them out

but when they actually do..they get creeped out
Like "why does this girl NEED to ask out a guy? I thought she was hot..but why arent guys asking HER out? Is she desperate"

*lol*
I dunno..

[Kragar]

Is it weird for a girl to ask a guy out? Ive heard no. But only if they girl is extreemly goodlooking.

It's just like with a guy. It depends on how they ask.

If they seem needy, then of course it's creepy.

If someone walks right up to you and it's the first thing they say, it might be a turn off.

If they have confidence and verve, and they've said it right, then it can be as charming as anything. Let's face it, there's something nice about someone saying, "I want to go out with you," especially if it's someone you're getting along with.

[Katiekoneko]

I asked someone out before.
but it was the ol'

'you wanna hang out sometime?' So it could have been taken as friendship if they wanted.
It all worked out anyhow.

[caseylim]

The best way is to abstain from getting into relationship with anyone. Live as pure as a a true mankind. With this you are sure not to get any problems. Want a child, adopt. Start a family without sex. Don't do sex, like why must every one do sex?

[Pete]

Saw the girl who'd been messing me about out last night. She absolutely ignored me - literally turned her back on me about twice. I saw her looking over in my direction at one point and her friend literally grabbed her head and made her look away.

I still don't get what the fuck was she was playing about asking interested at the start and going to totally ignoring me, but as far as I'm concerned she can piss off. I have just deleted her number from my phone.

Women have a massive capacity to disappoint. </bitter>

[Jay]

Ouch, man. :(

Go out and play the field, that'll make you feel better. Trust me.

[Pete]

I know I could do that but tbh it's not really me. I'm just going to take a break off thinking about women for a while.

[Jay]

That doesn't work either. LIke most males over the age of 15 I've been there too. You only end up kicking yourself over and over again for being SO... FUCKING... STUPID... RRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG!!!! :mad:

Although confronting said woman and informing her loudly and profanely of her shortcomings works wonders. :)

[Alphonse v.2]

I'm gonna stay on topic and say: 7/10 times I would like to touch the boobs of the opposite sex, and I can't.

[Loc]

I've done exactly the same as you Pete, playing games for so long isn't really my thing.
I'm way more relaxed too :D

[Jay]

I'm gonna stay on topic and say: 7/10 times I would like to touch the boobs of the opposite sex, and I can't.

Why not? Just walk up to them, grab a knocker and run away cackling.

I do! :cool:

[seijihuzz01]

Pete/Kermit: Confidence, man! Waiting to get her number, going back repeatedly & waiting/hoping she might talk to you = certain death. Your friend being the one (multiple times no less) to go talk to her & her friends and point you out waiting hopefully in the corner = certain certain death. Drop her for real - not like, talking to other girls & hoping she notices & gets jealous - just cut that one loose in your head & see what happens. If you see her out, be polite, not embarassed. She should be embarassed for being dumb enough to lose you. That's the mentality you need to have.

Girls, much like Chewbacca, do NOT...make...sense. This is why if you ignore them entirely, they wonder what's up & come around to find out. Be confident, not sheepish. Act like you know you can always do better, but you aren't necessarily looking, cuz you're happy with who you are & what you're doing. Confidence doesn't have to equal asshole either.

Chinamerican: 'Pet projects' and 'new chances to mold people into who you want them to be' are bullshit. Let people be who they are. If they're not who you want to be with, find somebody else. Your pot-smoking barefoot boyfriend sounds like a retard. Dump him for somebody equally superficial who will treat you like crap until you mature to the point where you realize what you want & find somebody who provides it of their own free will. Not trying to sound mean, but seriously...

Men like women for who they are & what they look like. Women like men for who they might be able to make them become & how much they can dress them up.

Oh, and all the girls in this thread are hot. :p

[Pete]

I have dropped her for real - as I say I've deleted her number etc. and the way she acted (which to me was exceptionally rude) has ruled out being interested.

I'm just glad not to have to think about it any more. I'm just annoyed I ran after her at all, been a while since I've done that lol. Mainly because my friend was pushing me into it.

[Pete]

I just don't get what she was playing at as to me that's just fairly rude. Literally, when she was walking in my direction, her friend grabbed her as if she hadn't realised I was standing there or something, even though I know they did as earlier in the night i'd accidentally made eye contact with the friend.

Bah. I won't even try to understand women.

[priest]

Pfft, I love girls, they love me back, but in a friends way, and than I'll blow my brains out in a year or two, because I'll finally get a girlfriend, and then she'll only have used me.

I think girls are cute, they think I'm cute, not in that way.

I make a good "shoulder to cry on" I guess, considering I even "Counsel" male friends, I don't mind having friends that are girls, but there's a few that I really like/love and it sucks getting shot down, and than she runs back to her asshole boyfriend who won't take her back, and she has to appoligize to him, even though it was his fault, and I'm probably gonna sock him in the face next time I see him, which will than damage my relationship with said girl, and years down the road, she'll be like OMG OMG JOEY I SHOULD'VE CHOSE YOU, but by than, I'll be a monk, a celabate one :O !

Bah! Chin up lad. Stop being a counselor. Stop being available. Do not sock him no matter how good it would feel to do so. Don't be a jerk but at the same time don't be available. In other words ignore her and pay attention to her friends. This will really get the "What's wrong with me?" process going in her head and you will become more attractive to her.

Priest

[priest]

Why not? Just walk up to them, grab a knocker and run away cackling.

I do! :cool:

Oh that's a good plan mate! Nothing like adding Perv to your CV! ;> Works well for you down in Oz does it? Mind you I am sure you do it while avoiding the drop bears and wheel snakes, right? ;>

Priest

[priest]

Pete/Kermit: Confidence, man! Waiting to get her number, going back repeatedly & waiting/hoping she might talk to you = certain death. Your friend being the one (multiple times no less) to go talk to her & her friends and point you out waiting hopefully in the corner = certain certain death. Drop her for real - not like, talking to other girls & hoping she notices & gets jealous - just cut that one loose in your head & see what happens. If you see her out, be polite, not embarassed. She should be embarassed for being dumb enough to lose you. That's the mentality you need to have.

Girls, much like Chewbacca, do NOT...make...sense. This is why if you ignore them entirely, they wonder what's up & come around to find out. Be confident, not sheepish. Act like you know you can always do better, but you aren't necessarily looking, cuz you're happy with who you are & what you're doing. Confidence doesn't have to equal asshole either.

Chinamerican: 'Pet projects' and 'new chances to mold people into who you want them to be' are bullshit. Let people be who they are. If they're not who you want to be with, find somebody else. Your pot-smoking barefoot boyfriend sounds like a retard. Dump him for somebody equally superficial who will treat you like crap until you mature to the point where you realize what you want & find somebody who provides it of their own free will. Not trying to sound mean, but seriously...

Men like women for who they are & what they look like. Women like men for who they might be able to make them become & how much they can dress them up.

Oh, and all the girls in this thread are hot. :p
sejihuzz01 is spot on. Women do not make sense. I apologize to the women on this list but the reality is that men, as a general rule are very very simple creatures.

We function as follows: If we can't sleep with it or eat it we will kill it then sleep with it and/or eat it. In other words we are chaotic in our evilness. This means that if there is an opportunity to take the shot we will but we generally don't sit back and plan it out.

Women on the other hand are quite complex and are diabolical evil. This means that they will be all peaches and smiles until you are at your weakest point then before you can say "My God! She's killing me!" they will have ripped your still beating heart out and shown it to you.

Nothing personal ladies. Just stating my POV.

Priest

[priest]

I hate most of the opposite sex. And most of the same sex.

I guess I'm screwed, huh?

Naw. You are spot on. I do too. 99% of the opposite sex are far too random for me and 89% of my sex are bloody gobshites and/or wankers. Keep looking for that .1% and 11% to hang out with.

Priest

[Joe]

You're a gobshite wanker!

[ArkhanTerra]

Wow, I haven't bitched about girls for a while. Okay, here's my little rant.

I'm 17, my (not so close) friend is 16. His sister is 14, and she could convince ANYONE that she's 17. I mean, she has the body, the maturity and the general mannerisms of an older person. She's really attractive (take that as pretty, hot, or sexy, I think she's all 3), but I'm not going to post her picture online (I will take IM requests though). Now, guess what she does in her spare time? She plays video games and watches anime.

I've already come to grips with the age difference thing, it's legal, it's cool, whatever. I don't feel like a pedophile. Her parents are like 12 years apart, 43 mom and 55 dad, so it's not like they can say all that much. I don't care what people at school think, because I care about the opinions of 6 people there, and three of them know the situation and one of them is her, so I have a definate majority on my side. Besides, every year my school has a senior guy who dates a freshman girl, it happens.

Anyways, I got a nice little package from a college inside of Boston (no more college issues), and so I'll be attending college like 45 minutes from her house, so it's not like I have to drop her (I honestly can't tell you if I would or not). I also have here, a chat log for your enjoyment:
Proud2Slack4Life (7:43:31 PM): I can only imagine what the prom would be like...
Notgivingyouherscreenname (7:43:43 PM): ahahah oh my god
Notgivingyouherscreenname (7:44:14 PM): freshman can only go to prom if they're invited, right?
Proud2Slack4Life (7:44:35 PM): Yeah
Proud2Slack4Life (7:44:49 PM): Haha, want to go? It's not like I have a date or anything
Notgivingyouherscreenname (7:45:05 PM): :o omg I got asked to prom by a SENIOR
Notgivingyouherscreenname (7:45:08 PM): yeah sure, I'll go

I don't know why, but I'm totally not sure if she wants me. I mean... wtf? Am I being too self-conscious? Or am I getting fucked with? ARG! I really wish women could be totally direct, for just like, one day. Homecoming is coming up, and I have no idea what the hell I'm doing here. She's sending really mixed signals, and my other friend, Dave, thinks he's getting them too. So, I can't tell if she's just inexperienced and doesn't know what she's doing, or if she's trying to say something, and I'd feel like a retard if she really had no interest.

So yeah, that's my mini-rant.

[Katiekoneko]

You wish women could be more direct?
Well Im sorry but the girl is 14 and isnt a "woman" so it may be hard for her to be direct. Why don't you just ask her.
Alot of girls like having ppl like them and arent nessecarily interested in relationships with them. It feels nice to be wanted. They enjoy flirting.
Actually, guys I know do that too.

[Jay]

People don't know HOW to be direct in the whole man-woman-relationship thing. The man beats around the bush and the woman beats around the bush and eventually the lines cross so much that no one knows WHAT the hell is going on and they end up saying things they regret.

People should practice being more direct.

[ArkhanTerra]

I'm going to ask her eventually, Homecoming is in a few weeks. I just want to try and set it up so I don't screw up too badly, and if people were more direct then set-ups would be a lot easier.

[Masa the Masta]

People don't know HOW to be direct in the whole man-woman-relationship thing. The man beats around the bush and the woman beats around the bush and eventually the lines cross so much that no one knows WHAT the hell is going on and they end up saying things they regret.

People should practice being more direct.

Is it okay if we beat on eachother's bushes? :confused: