Hey everyone! Let's make fun of white people [Archive]

Firefly

08-25-2005, 05:51 AM

...actually, let's not.

Am I the only one who is sick of racial comments? Here's an example.

"Stupid white people"

Why is the white in there? Why should it matter? To me, this says "they're stupid because they're white, and they're acting white." All I can say to this is WHAT THE FUCK. Why can't you just say "Stupid people"?

I'm tired of being part of the race that people think it is "okay" to make fun of us. Because it's not. Anyone makes fun of an African-American, Asian, Arabic, etc, they get called racist. Someone makes fun of a white person, it's okay. Oh HAHAHAH they're so WHITE. Oh, she's been WHITEwashed. God, you can't dance because you're WHITE.

Think about it from your point of view. Say you're Chinese, hanging out with a bunch of people that are not Chinese. They see a couple of Chinese guys driving slow. All of a sudden, someone shouts: "Fucking slow ass Chinese people!" Now really. Just because they're Chinese doesn't make them slow drivers. It's the same thing with white people.

You may have friends that say "ohhahaha it's because I'm white", and you may make fun of them for it. But deep down, its racial and it hurts. I know I don't like being made fun of, just purely because of my race. Sure, I'm crazy. But I'm not a crazy white lady. just crazy.

Discuss.

Inu Ga Urusai

08-25-2005, 06:11 AM

Reasons it's ok to make fun of white people (by a white person):
- Because white people still control about 90% of the world's wealth.
- Because there has never been a newspaper ad run in America that says 'whites need not apply'
- Because schools in white nieghborhoods don't have leaking roofs and rat problems.
- Because WW2 wasn't started by Africa.
- The KKK
- George W Bush
- The Olsen twins
- Because just about every other race in the world has at one time or another had their culture destroyed and their land taken by (you guessed it) white people.
- When black people start filling slave ships full of Nascar Dads and sending them to Africa to work themselves to death in diamond mines, then we can start making fun of them.

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 06:18 AM

I seriously don't mind being made fun of for being white, but the thing that bugs me is when Mexican kids treat me like a fucking retard for being a Pinche Gringo!
You know what! Tu madre en mi pantalones, Cabron! Chupa mi pito pinche puta! Pendejo!

PiccoloNamek

08-25-2005, 06:26 AM

Reasons it's ok to make fun of white people (by a white person):

So two wrongs make a right? Sounds fallicious to me.

And besides, whites have also done so much for the world. Think about it, so many of the things we take for granted came from the efforts of whites... from the computer you're using, (the transistor) to the car you drive, (the internal combustion engine) from the nuclear power plants that give us electricity, (Think Enrico Fermi and the first self sustaining chain-reacting nuclear pile) great advances in medicine and vaccines for many diseases, (think Louis Pasteur) even the toilet paper you wipe your ass with (1857: Joseph Cayetty sells first factory-made toilet paper in the USA, 1879: Scott Paper Company sell first toilet paper on a roll) were all invented or discovered by a white person as some point in time. Not to belittle other races' contributions, but I'm just saying.

And besides, whites aren't the only race that have taken over others' land. Or had slaves. Or killed large amounts of people. Every race has done it at some point in time.

I sure hope nobody takes this the wrong way...

Marblehead

08-25-2005, 06:26 AM

Fuck white people!! They're all fuckin' stupid! I hate them.

**Walks over to a mirror**

Ah shit...Dammit...

Arctic_Slicer

08-25-2005, 07:01 AM

The only people who are "white" are albino; everyone else is a different shade of brown.

hahaman

08-25-2005, 07:06 AM

its funny how black people always complain about racism while they make fun of just about every other race (especially white)

Dead Sexy Vocab

08-25-2005, 07:13 AM

First two people're right, it's mostly like getting back at them for what they did in the past.

Plus, the whole world's influenced by other cultures, from Japan's Anime, to the black community's music entertainment. Others just don't seem to think it's right to see a white person get influenced by these stuff, which makes it look uncommon and (not meant to be racist or anything), in other cases, wrong.

What I've wrote was worth my three quarters.

Arctic_Slicer

08-25-2005, 07:18 AM

its funny how black people always complain about racism while they make fun of just about every other race (especially white)

That's because a few African Americans people who want the government to help all African American people onto their backs by passing laws that enforce racism. Of course these same few African Americans can't be considered guilty of racism because they are above that or whatever. In all reality they are just hypocrits who like to spew ignorance and make others around them fall for it and give their support.

The recent laws that have been passed that give minorities special rights are technically in violation of the 14th amendment which gives all people equal protection under the law. In that same respect laws that were around before the 14th amendment became unconstitutional when that amendment was passed. The marriage law is one of these.

Dead Sexy Vocab

08-25-2005, 07:19 AM

That's because a few African Americans people who want the government to help all African American people onto their backs by passing laws that enforce racism. Of course these same few African Americans can't be considered guilty of racism because they are above that or whatever. In all reality they are just hypocrits who like to spew ignorance and make others around them fall for it and give their support.

If Az comes by, tell him I am NOT here.

l337m45t3r

08-25-2005, 07:23 AM

The only people who are "white" are albino; everyone else is a different shade of brown.

Actually, I'm a very light shade of pink.

Expert Insomniac

08-25-2005, 07:25 AM

eh... I look at it like this. Yes, it is more socially acceptable to make fun of whites. But a black guy driving down the street in a Mercedes still has more of a chance of getting pulled over for no reason than a white guy. And there are plenty of people who will still yell out "Fucking slow ass Chinese people!" No matter who or what you are, there is someone out there how will discriminate against you for it, be it because you're white, black, hispanic, asian, male, female, a punk, a prep, or a sparkly pink elephant with five trunks but no legs.

And to be fair, while people of white skin have contributed a lot to society, during slavery a lot of inventions by blacks were stolen by whites, and well... when you're the dominant race, you have a lot more opportunites to invent stuff.

erbiumfiber

08-25-2005, 07:31 AM

Yeah, I used to think everyone was a shade of brown/tan until I gave birth to my "glow-in-dark" red-headed, frighteningly white child...like I said on another thread, everyone in Japan would ask her how she got so white or why she was so white. Yeah, her father was like the whitest guy ever (kids used to point to him at a swimming pool) so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by my genetic mutant...

On topic...yeah it's ok to make fun of white people- especially white nuns- if Hollywood ever made as many movies making fun of any other religious group...

PiccoloNamek

08-25-2005, 07:40 AM

during slavery a lot of inventions by blacks were stolen by whites

Really. What kind of inventions? Seriously, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.

Benaire

08-25-2005, 07:51 AM

KKF

08-25-2005, 07:58 AM

I won't even touch this thread with a 100 foot pole.

Expert Insomniac

08-25-2005, 08:03 AM

Really. What kind of inventions? Seriously, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.

I'd love to tell you... but I can't remember. I remember learning about it, I remember there were about fifteen things specifically pointed out... and then I forgot all of them.

Yes, I realize this is lame. I take full credit for the complete lameness. I'm just gonna go whip myself in the corner... *sniff, sniff*

However, I do have a semi-contribution to make. Seeing as how this thread is dealing with racism, I feel obligated to link to this:

http://www.soundtracklyrics.net/song-lyrics/avenue-q/everyones-a-little-bit-racist.htm

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 08:18 AM

Reasons it's ok to make fun of white people (by a white person):
- Because white people still control about 90% of the world's wealth.Its ok to make fun because a group has money? It's called Tall poppy Syndrome.
- Because there has never been a newspaper ad run in America that says 'whites need not apply'I would place money on that not being true.
- Because schools in white nieghborhoods don't have leaking roofs and rat problems.'White Trash' schools? 'Trailer trash' schools?
- Because WW2 wasn't started by Africa.War in the Pacific.
- The KKKThe Black Panters. Al Qaeda. Japanese Extreme Right Wing groups. Australian Lebonese Rape Gangs.
- George W BushShintaro Ishihara. Robert Mugabe. Kim Jong Il.
- The Olsen twinsPretty much every J-pop starlet.
- Because just about every other race in the world has at one time or another had their culture destroyed and their land taken by (you guessed it) white people.Honeslty? The sins of the past, to which MANY white people are deeply appologetic and ashamed about are justification for Racism?
- When black people start filling slave ships full of Nacar Dads and sending them to Africa to work themselves to death in diamond mines, then we can start making fun of them. Chinese opression of Tibet. Robert Mugabes war on white residents of Zimbabwe.

Every culture/race has its bad sides, they shouldn't be a justification for being racist towards that culture/race.

You know what pisses me off more than the double standard that makes it 'ok' to be racist towards Whites?

White Pride.

Eh?

Well... Its obviously quite ok for an African-American to be proud of his/her heritage. Australian Aboriginal kids are taught from a young age to support their heritage and be proud. Asian-Americans/Australians can be proud of their culture, race and heritage.
And I support that 100%. Its great!

But... When a white person says they are proud to be white, that they are proud of their culture and heritage its on. Suddenly they are racists, nazis, white supremacists, rednecks etc. To be proud to be white is to be seen as racist. Why?

Now I understand that yes, groups like the KK and White Supremacists have used 'white pride' in their disgusting shit, and that may go towards why its bad to be proud of the fact you're white.

However, the antics of violent groups like extremist elements of the Black Panthers ahs done nothing to tarnish 'Black pride', or prevent a black-american kid going to school in a t-shirt that with a 'pro-black pride' statement. The actions of the chinese communist party in Tibet hasn't stopped people being proud to be Chinese. Heck, even the gangs of Lebonese kids in Australia that went around and self admittedly picked out young (13-18) white Australian girls for gang rape hasnt hurt 'Leb Pride' here in Australia.

Yet if I say I'm proud to be a white guy I'm a monster? Why is that?

I'm a far left, liberal. I abhor racist and supremacist groups of any creed. I have done work in the past with anti-racism and anti-discrimination groups, and protested against racist political entities. Yet if I wore a shirt saying 'White and Proud' to work I'd be fired and maybe worse.

Why?

erbiumfiber

08-25-2005, 08:18 AM

You were married to Jay-the-man? :confused:

My ex makes Jay the Man look dark and tanned...He had all his moles and freckles mapped by a doctor because he's so deathly afraid of skin cancer (of course, he would have to go out into the SUN for that to be a problem...)

Back on topic...I guess I feel like now that I'm in Japan I have to put up with "white jokes" or "stupid gaijin jokes" (kind of the equivalent of white jokes) so that I don't look like an activist. Hell, I even make the "I'm a stupid gaijin" type of remark because I really am clueless at times...

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 08:28 AM

OMG HES WHITER THAN THE JAY MAN!?
May god have mercy on us all, for who hat lain eyes upon thine vile abomination shall forever and hence forth be the walking dead!

Kustom

08-25-2005, 08:45 AM

First two people're right, it's mostly like getting back at them for what they did in the past.

No but just read what you're writing, man. Write this about a minority, you'll get your ass buried, and rightly so. So I guess they did it because they were white, hey? Like their skin pigment is why they did it, uh? Me too, I'm a mean bloodthirsty white guy, yeah let me start a few genocides of my own before I get me some slaves.

Dude you're not even saying "European", here which would already be a gross exageration. White people are no more an homogeneous group than black or Asian people. I don't see what kind of genetic behavior people get from being more or less tanned, this is all BS.

That said, jokes are always ok on any topic, so I hope that's all your post was.

Yes I'm pissed, there's a goddamn typhoon out there and I wanted to go for a drink.

Arctic_Slicer

08-25-2005, 09:16 AM

I'm a far left, liberal. I abhor racist and supremacist groups of any creed. I have done work in the past with anti-racism and anti-discrimination groups, and protested against racist political entities. Yet if I wore a shirt saying 'White and Proud' to work I'd be fired and maybe worse.

Why?

For not wearing your uniform what else could it be? Actually if you are allowed to wear t-shirts where you work you should go ahead and do it. If they started shit and fired you for it you get a lawyer and raise an unjustified termination suit. If an asian guy can wear a shirt that says "asian pride" you should be able to wear "white pride".

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 09:44 AM

Excuse me, but the correct term is AZN pride.

Arctic_Slicer

08-25-2005, 10:18 AM

Excuse me, but the correct term is AZN pride.

OMG! h2orowe is a racist!

Just kidding but I don't think I have ever seen anyway writting "azn pride" being called a racist but someone saying "white pride" is going to get flammed into oblivion. Like was said earlier it really isn't any better but one is accepted but the other is not.

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 10:25 AM

Pfft, it's like now we have to say Irish Pride! But the poor poor Germans, Hitler messed them up, they can't even say German Pride without being call Nazis, they have to say like Northern Berlin Pride!

Inu Ga Urusai

08-25-2005, 10:27 AM

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 10:35 AM

Yeah, you must be a far left liberal. You obviously can't take a joke. I've known trees with a better sense of humor. Why don't you go make out with one?
I do love humour.

For example if you ate a magnum bullet fired from a 44 you her holding, I'd laugh until I stopped.
Then I'd make sure I'd have it on film to send to Americas Funniest Home Videos so everyone can laugh as your brain leaves your body at the speed of a brand new Mazda RX-8.

See.
Thats funny!

Inu Ga Urusai

08-25-2005, 10:44 AM

No, what's funny is the fact that I've pissed you off with a stupid post to the point you want me dead.

D-pad

08-25-2005, 11:20 AM

Damn I actually thought I'd get to make fun of white people in this thread.......

Tssss..

08-25-2005, 11:23 AM

this is the way i see it. if they're being pricks cause of your skin color, kick their ass. they deserve it.

if they're just joking around, its really not a big deal.

is anybody else so white their skin is day glow? its almost see through....i WISH i could tan.

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 11:47 AM

No, what's funny is the fact that I've pissed you off with a stupid post to the point you want me dead.
Actually... nah.
I love making over the top comments like that.
The fact that you're a 7 post bandit resulting to isnult alrady proes you're a troll and not worth taking seriously anyway. Hence I can make any posts I like in relation to you.

Calz

08-25-2005, 11:58 AM

they can't even say German Pride without being call Nazis, they have to say like Northern Berlin Pride!

I'm pretty sure they could get away with saying Bavarian Pride... and that's
really all that matters anyways...

But you do have a point.. There is no such thing as white pride t-shirts it's all "Irish Pride" or "Swedish Pride" or whatever

But that's because we're kinda divided against ourselfs...
but that would be the negative way of looking at it
the positive way of looking at it is saying we take pride in our heritage
or somthing like that...

is anybody else so white their skin is day glow? its almost see through....i WISH i could tan.

my skin is now radiation proof...
I go out in the sun for five hours now, without sunscreen, and it's like
i'm wearing spf 100

My cousins all have this amazing dark tan and I look like I was adopted from albino land

Mojinr

08-25-2005, 12:00 PM

Has anyone actually answered PopCulturePooka question? Cause ALOT of whites ask that question and I think I'd like to answer it.

The reason you can't is because of the forefathers of America and Europe and such. And also because of the terrible things people with the same skin color as you performed YEARS ago. Then the fact that much of the world's wealth seemingly belongs or is closely connected to people of your skin color as well. This is why you can't do the "White Pride" thing. I mean, yeah, it unfair. You should be able to do "White/Black/Gay/Lolicon Pride" if you want and not have the misdeeds and such of others hold ya back, right?

If it worked that way there would no such thing as stereotypes.

But not everything is bad, I've good news. I just saved a TON of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico! ;)

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 12:05 PM

Trump

08-25-2005, 02:37 PM

Affirmative action has far far outlived its usefulness. I understand racism exists, but it has gotten to the point it actually hurts the other side.

For example, the company I work with has a special program to help minorities get internships. Then they go and make a big deal about how 'diverse' a company they are because of these efforts. Then we got an intern in my group. He was hispanic of some sort (I don't know exactly where he was from), but he was almost worth negative productivity. We come to find out he was a freshman!! He had only been at college for 1 year so hadn't taken ANY of the classes that could help him be productive. The only reason he got this internship was through this minority program so the company could look good. When I think about it, there had to be tons of more qualified people out there. And he was back the next TWO summers! Man that pisses me off...

Benaire

08-25-2005, 02:40 PM

kiev33

08-25-2005, 02:42 PM

I know that it is hard to shed the upbringing you've had in regards to this. I mentally fight with myself every day because of this.

When I was groing up, I would fight with my parents because of the stupid ignorant thigns they would say, and now that I have been in the Army and worked in dead end jobs around the people they made fun of, I see myself beginning to think the same things.

yes, there were many things done in the past to people of other cultures in our counrty that weren't justified, and it isn't ustified to make fune of whites now because of what happened years ago, but there is still stuff going on now that just perpetuates the "myth."

Every time the KKK gets on Jerry Springer, every black man pulled over for nothing, every person passed over, or hired because of his skin color, all of this just seems to perpetuate what happened here long ago.
Maybe one day it will al go away, or transform into some other kind of hatred.

Kevin

tekkan

08-25-2005, 02:50 PM

see thats an interesting answer and all, but I disagree that people should be constantly guilty for the sins of the past.

Have white people done fucked up things? Yes. Many of us are all to happy to admit that, apologise about it. There was a huge deal made about 8 years ago in Australia for instance about apologising to the aboriginals about the shitty things we did to them. Our Prime Minister, John Howard (aka Captain MonkeyFuckface) still won't. Idiot.

Anyway yes, we should be repetant about our sins. But is it so wrong to take pride in the good things we've done? Literature, invention, culture etc? Like I pointed out, other 'races' and cultures have done fucked up things, but it doesn't hold back people being proud to be of that race. But as a white person can only be continuously guilty or viewed as racist. Its really quite interesting. Especially about Geico.

Because "White Pride" is associated with KKK.

They ruined it for the rest of you.

As for sins of the past.

Every race has sins of the past. Slaves? Almost every culture has had slaves. But the "white" people were the only ones (ever recorded that is) to enslaves people of other races enmass. All the other cultures enslaved their own people.

And Hilter's theory that the auren's(sp?) are the perfect race didn't help either. Yes that means white people with brown hair were killed too, but the fact is that hitler and his goons were white.

So when you bring up the topic of white pride, it is still a very senstive matter. And you probably won't see much of it anytime soon other than from neo-nazis.

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 03:04 PM

John Howard won't apologise because the government would then get the shit sued outta them. Why? becuase its happened before apparently in Canada I think. Our aboriginals have a reputation..... that is less then good.
Actually I've read somewhere that that argument is false. Its been shown that depending on the type of apology Howard gives, lawsuits won't come up.
Its just an excuse trotted out by the right.

StormShadow

08-25-2005, 03:09 PM

For the post that there were nover 'Whites need not apply' signs, there were variations. 'Irish need not apply' sign's onced graced windows of stores in Boston and New York.

I understand the upset feelings about sins of past white people...but....

I never owned a slave, and I don't think anybody in my family ever did.
Nobody in my family was ever in the KKK
An uncle fought the Japanese. So if your Japanese, I suppose you could kind of dislike me for that.

Other than that, no need to mock me for my whiteness.

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 03:09 PM

Irish Pride!

In fact, I have always wanted a bumpersticker that said Vote Sinn Fein, especially around election times. (For those who don't follow Irish Politics, Sinn Fein is the political party with very, very clost ties to the Provisional Irish Republican Army)

As far as making fun of white people, I'll admit that everytime I miss a high-five, and I do it a lot, I say "Damn, I am SO white!" And then we laugh, because we are so very very white.

I do think that people seriously need to get over the white sins of the past. As a student of history I can tell you that every culture has some serious skeletons in the closet. Europeans and their descendts have by no means cornered the market on rape, genocide, piracy, slavery, native displacement, etc.

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 03:23 PM

Because "White Pride" is associated with KKK.Didn't radical elements of the Black Panthers talk of Black Pride? Lebanese rape gangs in Sydeny talk of 'Leb Pride'.

Yet being proud to be black or lebanese doesn't associate oneself with those groups does it?

They ruined it for the rest of you.See above.

Every race has sins of the past. Slaves? Almost every culture has had slaves. But the "white" people were the only ones (ever recorded that is) to enslaves people of other races enmass. All the other cultures enslaved their own people. But other cultures still have histories of genocide and opression.
And like others pointed out, not every white owned slaves. It was mainly an 'american' thing.
I'm from Irish stock. The irish were persecuted, opressed and enslaved as well.

And Hilter's theory that the auren's(sp?) are the perfect race didn't help either. Yes that means white people with brown hair were killed too, but the fact is that hitler and his goons were white.And how should that be relevant to me and my racial identity?
If I say that all Muslims are like Bin Laden, or all Black People are like Mugabe, or all Chinese are like Mao or all Koreans are like Jong Il, would I not be racist? Wouldn't you say I'm being unfair?
Is it not then a double standard for you to assoicate me with Hitler because of my racial heritage?

And you probably won't see much of it anytime soon other than from neo-nazis.
And why is that? Because non neo-nazis whites are still told that we should be ashamed of being white?

tekkan

08-25-2005, 03:39 PM

Didn't radical elements of the Black Panthers talk of Black Pride? Lebanese rape gangs in Sydeny talk of 'Leb Pride'.

Yet being proud to be black or lebanese doesn't associate oneself with those groups does it?

Because it is not as widely known. This is the first ime I've even heard about the leb gang. And only vague recollection of the Black Panthers.

But other cultures still have histories of genocide and opression.
And like others pointed out, not every white owned slaves. It was mainly an 'american' thing.
I'm from Irish stock. The irish were persecuted, opressed and enslaved as well.

Yes, but by white people. It wasn't africans or chinese people who did it. So in the eyes of the other races, it was a "family affair" to put it lightly.

And how should that be relevant to me and my racial identity?
If I say that all Muslims are like Bin Laden, or all Black People are like Mugabe, or all Chinese are like Mao or all Koreans are like Jong Il, would I not be racist? Wouldn't you say I'm being unfair?
Is it not then a double standard for you to assoicate me with Hitler because of my racial heritage?

And why is that? Because non neo-nazis whites are still told that we should be ashamed of being white?

My post was not to say why white people shouldn't display white pride. My post was to explain why society dosn't approve of it.

I am not against white people showing pride for their race. Doing it tastefully and peacefully is more than acceptable.

However it will still be looked down upon by the other races. Yes, the sons shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers. By hatred and resentment runs deep and pass on from generation to generation. The enslavement of African Americans is a faily recent thing. There are people alive who's father's probably told them many stories about that age.

You can't cleanse such resentment over such a short time. You can have all righteous reason and logic on your side, but people will still resent you and hate you for being white.

That is what I meant by my last statement. It will have to be in later generations, when slaves are just something from history books, when such displays of "white pride" won't be frowned upon.

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 03:41 PM

You know, but I wonder is it really 'other' races who disaprove of 'white' pride? Or is it the self-hating politically correct elites?

koku

08-25-2005, 03:47 PM

race jokes among friends is all right. If it really bothers you say it. Tell them to you it makes you actually hurt. The asses are giong to be asses but the ones that are joking no reason getting mad about it.

yeah there is that double standard that if you make a black joke vs. a white joke, one's taken light-hearted[white joke] the other is taken seriously[black joke]. But you have to remember why. Ya it wasn't you who slaved people, probably didn't have any family that did it either, but hey if all you have to do is be a little sensative about it I don't really think that's much to ask.

Either way, you'll know who's joking and who's not. If it bothers you tell your friends/whoever it is. I make race jokes with my best friends alot(also because it's such a diverse circle) but we all know we love each other and enjoy each others company. If someone takes it seriously we just laugh more and they learn, it's never serious.

eh, my 2 cents on the subject.

Marblehead

08-25-2005, 03:55 PM

White people suck! They invented the wigger! That is so uncool!

Now Eskimoans are cool! Real cool! Chilli-cool! :cool:

Kustom

08-25-2005, 04:11 PM

And Hilter's theory that the auren's(sp?) are the perfect race didn't help either. Yes that means white people with brown hair were killed too, but the fact is that hitler and his goons were white.

Yeah, it so happens that his goons were mostly blonde, with blue eyes, and tall. Hell all tall people should be ashamed of themselves. You're Afghan, you got blue eyes? well go to hell because you're one of those Aryans Hitler was so fond of. And that's right, Aryans in Hitler's mythology were coming from the Indian peninsula... Yeah all of you South Asians, shame on you.

My own view on Pooka's question is that it's dumb to claim any racial pride of any kind. Yeah, Leonardo Da Vinci was white. So? Do you think he couldn't have painted Mona Lisa with a different skin color? Did you paint it? Did you invent any of those things you're proud of? I think that unless Leonardo Da Vinci is your great-great-great-great...uncle, you don't really have any grounds in claiming you're proud of his work ,except as a fellow human being. Isn't that enought? I'm proud of Louis Pasteur and Alexandre Dumas because they were great people, it doesn't concern me that one was white and the other half-black. And you don't need to be white to be ashamed of Hitler either. Do you really think a black or Asian Hitler is unthinkable? You might wanna do a google search on Pol Pot or Habyarimana.

[Edit] Read your second post that I missed and it seems I was wrong to take your comment too litterally... Still, could someone please explain me what "racial heritage" is supposed to mean? Things like national heritage I can understand (still don't agree with it though), but what the hell is white or black heritage? What do the Russian and South Africans have in common? An Ethiopian and a black American? Skin color, that's all.

Also, your statement that only white people enslaved people of their own race is completely untrue. East Africa was raided for slaves by Indian pirates and Arab merchants for centuries before the first European set foot there. And I'm not even talking about the Japanese in Korea or Mandchouria...
Are you somehow trying to prove that somehow white guys are more evil than others because of their skin color?

Josh

08-25-2005, 04:18 PM

I'd like to point out that racism was a european idea. They had to justify slavery to "God" so in order to do that they said that Africans were not humans, lower than dogs even. Thats why racism is best known in America. It happens everywhere, but since the slave traders needed to justify the act thats what they did to make it all legal and stuff.

Also, lets not forget that Africans sold other Africans to whites in exchange for guns, which led to more wars in Africa which led to even more slaves to be traded for more guns and so on. Its not like whites just showed up and forced them to get on the ship. Im sure that happened, but its not like whites just stole most of them. That would make other Africans pissed and therefore no more human trade unless the Europeans went to war with them which would have meant losing European lives, not a good idea to them.

EDIT: Not all Europeans felt that way, just the ones that made huge profits from the human slave trade.

BluZytrix

08-25-2005, 04:18 PM

I take pride in being a mocha mix. I'm an international man. I attribute my ability to look Mexican, Indian, Middle Eastern and Black from being half black and white. Perhaps the comments I get related to white people that really make me irate are ones like "You just an oreo cookie, black on the outside but white on the inside." But the most frustrating, and racist thing I have heard come out of numerous people is "Stop acting white." I hate this which such a passion that I usually have to blow off people who say this for the fear of my primal rage taking over my actions. Yes, I am smart and have the ability to speak with the utmost grammatically correct English statements that are non-accented. I can also drop some African American Vernaculars(AAF) on you if you want but I am who I am and that's it. Proud to be a mocha mix. Now taste the diversity of my blend! Silly humans....

tekkan

08-25-2005, 04:23 PM

Yeah, it so happens that his goons were mostly blonde, with blue eyes, and tall. Hell all tall people should be ashamed of themselves. You're Afghan, you got blue eyes? well go to hell because you're one of those Aryans Hitler was so fond of. And that's right, Aryans in Hitler's mythology were coming from the Indian peninsula... Yeah all of you South Asians, shame on you.

Again, not justifying it. Just stating why people feel the way they do.

Whoever posted that MonkeyShere article is awesome.

That article explains it well.

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 04:33 PM

koku

08-25-2005, 04:35 PM

yeah the "stop acting white" "stop acting asian" those comments piss me off to tears.

"why don't you act black"

who the hell is to say a certian race is suppose to act a certain way?? That to me, is already pretty biased/ and prejudice already. So if I have an interest in Japanese and try straighthing my hair, like it and keep it i'm actin asian??

I get into techno/trance music and now i'm acting white??

Luckily, with the friends I see now on a regular basis I don't run into this much anymore, but man I have some really close-minded dumb friends. I guess If i heard that non-stop it would annoy the piss out of me. Probably why I avoid some of my friends from highschool(yeah sounds mean, but when they're not mature enough to accept your intrests as interests and not "ooh i want to be that race," you kind of lose the motivation to be around them).

bluzytrix I sympathise with you too. Just find some open minded smart friends and hang out with them I guess. Or ignore it, it will happen don't even argue it because then you become involved and some of the anger goes to yourself.

One of my friends is like 4 races mixed, he titles himself, "one step closer to world piece."

I think that's pretty funny.

As far as the double standard thing, I see the arguements from both sides. If i was a white person I would probably annoyed that I'm getting punished at what some idiot did years ago. Or the sitiation of the economy now(the 90% control of wealth thing).

Both raise good points and I think both should try to see it from each others side. Because when you do, it sort of becomes ridicilous to be worried about such a thing.

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 04:45 PM

One of my friends is like 4 races mixed, he titles himself, "one step closer to world piece."

I think that's pretty funny.

no doubt, thats great! Yeah, I have Scandanavian and Irish ancestry (among a slew of other) So I like to say my ancestors raped, pillaged, and enslaved my other ancestors. ;-)

Kustom

08-25-2005, 04:58 PM

I'd like to point out that racism was a european idea.

That's very naive. The Japanese raided Korea three times and treated them like animals before Meiji. And every foreigner setting foot in the country expet Nagasaki got his head chopped off during Edo. China was pretty much the same except for merchants. It used to be that every human tribe had a word to call themselves, usually meaning the "humans", as opposed to every other tribe which were more like cattle. Europeans were the most outspoken about racism because they wrote books and laws about it, which you can still read today. They were by no means the only ones, and only the fact that they were more powerful because they had the best land for agriculture, climate and access to resources ensured that they got farther down that track.

It's actually humanism/tolerance that is a recent invention. One could argue that it also started in Europe, but to me it's really off the point.

Josh

08-25-2005, 05:05 PM

Of course Europeans werent the first to say others were different, saying so would be dumb. But Europeans used that reason so much that, in effect, black people really did become less than human in the eyes of most early Americans. Clearly not all of Europe felt the same way. Look at Spanish/Portuguese colonies. All of the different ethnic groups live together nicely, sans the native indian populations, but only on a small level.

I guess its mainly just America that is racist, but you can't blame Americans only for this. What I meant to say is that if the European Slave Traders hadn't relied so heavily on saying that Africans are less than human then Racism probably wouldnt have been as bad as it was/is in some places.

EDIT: Not trying to say that America is the only place with Racism, that also isnt true, but that is where it is most noticeble.

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 05:15 PM

EDIT: Not trying to say that America is the only place with Racism, that also isnt true, but that is where it is most noticeble.

heh, haven't noticed all the discussion of Japanese Racism then? I'd say thats probably a lot more noticable. Or how about the Irish question. We tend to think of it as Religious, Protestants Vs Catholics, but its not. It is a racial identity problem. People would be denied jobs, and well lets be frank, shot at, for being the 'wrong' race. Thats why the IRA has 30 years of blowing things up, and hey, whatever happend to the Black Panthers anyway?

StormShadow

08-25-2005, 05:23 PM

BluZytrix

08-25-2005, 05:28 PM

Kokujin, What you posted started to scare me for a second. You started to sound like me. Besides the straight hair, I too am really into Japanese everything and love techno/trance. I get the "Why don't you act black" thing all the time along with the "Are you trying to be Japanese?" thing. It's usually because of my language or the random expression I tend to utter in Japanese at people because it is what comes to mind first or the crazy knowledge I have about asian related things. I found it so satisfying and amusing when I took some Asian friends out to Asian stores and talk about all that stuff because I know about it. I like being cultured and wouldn't trade it for anything. I usually make an effort to use more of a college level type of English instead of talking like I'm from the hood. I'm not. I go to college. I'm an engineer. That's right. I said it. I'm an engineer. Perhaps what hurts the worst is when my own fellow blacks insult me/separate me from them by saying the same thing as if I have betrayed them and they are better than me because they follow "the black stereotype." In general, I do have very open-minded friends but every once in a while, I will come across some friend of a friend or classmate/friend that will drop that on me. It's kind of funny. My ol man calls me "The International Man." Because I am only English, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, Polish Ukraniane, West Indie, and African American. 9 things huh. lol I think I have many people beat.

Josh

08-25-2005, 05:51 PM

I know Japan has racism, I have seen the threads, but I meant that America's racism is known on a Grand Scale. Japans 1% of minority groups isnt the same as America's 49% minority groups. Then you get into the minority groups that dont like other minority groups. All I meant was that compared to other countries Americas Racism is better known to more of the world.

Trump

08-25-2005, 06:45 PM

For those who missed it (since it was buried on page 5 of another thread)

The monkeysphere:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

Dead Sexy Vocab

08-25-2005, 06:49 PM

For those who missed it (since it was buried on page 5 of another thread)

The monkeysphere:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html

Monkeysphere = true dat.

koku

08-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Spin Waffel

08-25-2005, 07:32 PM

So two wrongs make a right? Sounds fallicious to me.

And besides, whites have also done so much for the world. Think about it, so many of the things we take for granted came from the efforts of whites... from the computer you're using, (the transistor) to the car you drive, (the internal combustion engine) from the nuclear power plants that give us electricity, (Think Enrico Fermi and the first self sustaining chain-reacting nuclear pile) great advances in medicine and vaccines for many diseases, (think Louis Pasteur) even the toilet paper you wipe your ass with (1857: Joseph Cayetty sells first factory-made toilet paper in the USA, 1879: Scott Paper Company sell first toilet paper on a roll) were all invented or discovered by a white person as some point in time. Not to belittle other races' contributions, but I'm just saying.

And besides, whites aren't the only race that have taken over others' land. Or had slaves. Or killed large amounts of people. Every race has done it at some point in time.

I sure hope nobody takes this the wrong way...

Why not think of those accomplishments as HUMAN accomplishments and the falts of whites are human falts.
Racism is a human falt, like lieing, or stealing. Perhaps it would be best to think of ones self as human first, and as a color second.

PiccoloNamek

08-25-2005, 07:34 PM

The fact that we are all human doesn't change the fact that those were all accompishments of either European or European descended people.

Spin Waffel

08-25-2005, 07:38 PM

If that makes you happy

Rogue_7

08-25-2005, 07:42 PM

The IRA is more than just race or religion. It's also political, so I think that that argument doesn't pass the smell test. I'm sure Micheal Collins was hatin' on the Protestants for racial reasons, just because they supported English oppresion of Irelands people. I just hate those English so much

And race in America isn't political?

I could have been more clear. In Northern Ireland the racism, oppression, and discrimination was so ingrained and so virulant that the oppressed peoples supported and maintained decades of violence and underground warfare. The only analagous group in the US, the Black Panthers didn't do much in the first place, and sure haven't lasted anywhere near as long as Irish Republicanism.

Jormungand

08-25-2005, 07:47 PM

wer all racist wer all fucked up wer all wrong im just waiten till we whipe ourselves off the face of the earth

ps. hispanics r the most fucked up

Tssss..

08-25-2005, 09:27 PM

i'm probably going to offend some people here, but...i am brazenly going forward.

its ok to make white jokes because they are the 'majority'....which is fucked up anyway, cause i'm a minority in my state. regardless, its never ok to make fun of the underdog, ie, minorities.

racism will always be evident in any society composed of several different races. everyone wants to make sure that if there are special privileges, that they're the ones getting em.

everyone would feel sorry for an 8 year old boy that is abused. but after that child is an adult, he has to take responsibility for his own actions.

yeah, everyone (rightfully so) feels bad for what happened with slavery. but its been a while since anyone in the united states has (openly) owned a slave. if it didn't happen to you, or your parents, i don't really see you have rights to bitch. i'm not bitching about what my ancestors went through.

mmm...i'm rambling. i've been up for over 24 hrs, forgive me.

in short, racism will always be a problem, slavery is still rampant in the world, and i don't give a damn and refuse to feel sorry for anyone if they didn't actually go through it or suffer directly from it. its time to grow up and work towards fixing the future not bitching about the past. if that seems a little harsh, i apologize. i detest racism but even more so i detest how its constantly in the limelight. we should get over differences, get over the past. grow together instead of focussing on why we're different.

ah me i sound like a fuckin pacifist. i'll stop now.

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 09:52 PM

I don't know if anyone was lame enough to post this yet, cuz I didn't read ALL of the posts but

C'mon people now, smile on your brother everybody get together try to love one another right now.

Dead Sexy Vocab

08-25-2005, 09:56 PM

Tssss..

08-25-2005, 10:00 PM

I don't know if anyone was lame enough to post this yet, cuz I didn't read ALL of the posts but

C'mon people now, smile on your brother everybody get together try to love one another right now.

...i hope you're happy. that sappy lovey dovey song is stuck in my head now and it wont LEAVE. :(

haha....the doors fixed it. nm

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 10:02 PM

Hahaha, that songs been stuck in my head since the first time I heard it. What Doors song is in your head?

Tssss..

08-25-2005, 10:05 PM

the end. i love how its really poetic and beautiful in the beginning, then it goes all crazy and disjointed later in the song. and the music is amazing. its my favorite song by them. :D you like the doors?

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 10:11 PM

Nah, I don't like them at all.

I love em! I love em I love em I love em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Molly Shannon-esque voice*

Hahaha, They're awesome, I haven't heard them in a while though. :( that makes me sad.
My favorite song is probably the end or People are strange (Whatever it's called haha)

Tssss..

08-25-2005, 10:16 PM

:D

the doors are awesome....i wish i owned one of their cds. but i'm not really a cd person. apparently though, their best of cd is really good.

Spin Waffel

08-25-2005, 10:20 PM

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 10:29 PM

Ooo! Watch the Doors movie, it was awesome, Val Kilmer or whatever his name is made an awesome Jim Mo.

PopCulturePooka

08-25-2005, 10:45 PM

Ooo! Watch the Doors movie, it was awesome, Val Kilmer or whatever his name is made an awesome Jim Mo.
Back on topic please kid.

PiccoloNamek

08-25-2005, 11:36 PM

It occurred to me after I posted that the real difference attributed to races is really a difference in culture. Genetically the difference between Black people, Asian people, and White people are very small. There is less difference between a Norwegian and an African in there genes than between two chimpanzees in the same troop (but not directly related). All humans are very closely related compared to most other animals. What we call racial differences are really family differences. Different family's developed different cultural outlooks and different innovations based on where they lived and what challenges they had to face for survival. Having said that, making fun of other family's is fun and enjoyed by all.

There's also only a 1 or 2 percent difference between a human and a chimp. What's your point?

From Wikipedia:

Some scientists have argued there exists more variation within racial groups than between, and therefore human races have no taxonomic value. This opinion can be traced back to a 1972 paper by Richard Lewontin. Some researchers report the variation between racial groups (measured by Sewall Wright's population structure statistic FST) accounts for as little as 5% of the total 80 000-100 000 genes found in each human cell.² This argument was widely popularized after Lewontin's original publication. However, most geneticists now recognize that low FST values do not invalidate the suggestion that there might be different human races because of technical limitations of FST and the observation that genetic variation between races is highly structured (Edwards, 2003; Risch, 2002). Thus, when one considers many points (i.e., genetic loci) of variation one can distinguish groups and allocate people into groups. The rules of biological classification do not set any 'smallest allowable difference' between taxa: any distinct difference is sufficient.

h2orowe

08-25-2005, 11:42 PM

Sorry haha, but the Doors kick ass. XD

It's kinda weird if you think about it though.... it's like
White people and Asian people kinda look alike in a way, and Latino people and Black people look alike in a way.

Pfalzer

08-26-2005, 12:02 AM

I think black people have such a huge disliek of whites because they as a racial group have severely dehumanized and demonized them in so many different nations eyes. Yes whites said they are sorry and etc but they have struck so deeply that for years this social stigma will exist why? Becuase whites got away with it so why cant they. It has become a social norm to think less of blacks and hispanics. It may have been expected not too long ago. Just recently have people let lose of such things. We have many many years.

Sayign tht its just the whites fault for it is wrong. But u cant deny the fact tht whites made the whole deed look
A. Easy
B. Just
C. Needed

These three things jus madee it an easier entity to diffuse throughout different social patterns and life. No white person will ever understand this until they have become the "minority" who no one trusts just becuz of their skin color.
I live in the south or midwest as soon as people hear my voice "sounds very white mixed with some german etc" they dont know wht to expect but if i came walking in there in my hollister polo they would think im some kind of smug black guy.
BLack people are even worse to me. Call me oreo and shit. Same fuckers tht go home and sit thier ass on a couch calling me tht. Im goign to college to make something of myself dare i say make us as a people look somewht better. But becuz i dont copy the mtv channels rappers persona im a sellout and an oreo ...fuck tht. Ill be seeign them cleaning my fucking pool in 5 years.
I think becuz of tht i don really care about black people tht much and i am black i think after years of ridicule jus becuz i want to make something of myself has made me want to set aside and affiliation with tht group epole ask me where im from i say germany why becuz people there white black spanish don give a shit about color and i always will feel more at home there than here... i think i sidetracked a bit... gomen

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:07 AM

White culture sucks, its true, were like sponges, we basically just rip everything off everybody else, making most people think that we made it.
White people made Classical. True (I think)
White people made Rock 'n Roll. False! It originated in Africa.

Our whole "OMG YOU LIKE ROCK JEROME YOU'RE SO WHITE!" is totally wrong, it's supposed to be "OMG MCFARLEY YOU LIKE ROCK, YOU'RE SO BLACK!"

Watch, it will happen with rap, somehow.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 12:09 AM

But... When a white person says they are proud to be white, that they are proud of their culture and heritage its on. Suddenly they are racists, nazis, white supremacists, rednecks etc. To be proud to be white is to be seen as racist. Why?

Yet if I say I'm proud to be a white guy I'm a monster? Why is that?

I'm a far left, liberal. I abhor racist and supremacist groups of any creed. I have done work in the past with anti-racism and anti-discrimination groups, and protested against racist political entities. Yet if I wore a shirt saying 'White and Proud' to work I'd be fired and maybe worse.

Why?
Let me try and and put this into perspective.

1. White privilege. While you might not've asked for it, it exists.
A definition. from White Privilege (http://www.whiteprivilege.com/definition/)

a. A right, advantage, or immunity granted to or enjoyed by white persons beyond the common advantage of all others; an exemption in many particular cases from certain burdens or liabilities.
b. A special advantage or benefit of white persons; with reference to divine dispensations, natural advantages, gifts of fortune, genetic endowments, social relations, etc.
2. A privileged position; the possession of an advantage white persons enjoy over non–white persons.
3. a. The special right or immunity attaching to white persons as a social relation; prerogative.
b. display of white privilege, a social expression of a white person or persons demanding to be treated as a member or members of the socially privileged class.
4. a. To invest white persons with a privilege or privileges; to grant to white persons a particular right or immunity; to benefit or favor specially white persons; to invest white persons with special honorable distinctions.
b. To avail oneself of a privilege owing to one as a white person.
5. To authorize or license of white person or persons what is forbidden or wrong for non–whites; to justify, excuse.
6. To give to white persons special freedom or immunity from some liability or burden to which non–white persons are subject; to exempt.

Here's some examples/checklist (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:nBwgEbdwuwwJ:www.unh.edu/residential-life/diversity/aw_article17.pdf+examples+of+white+privilege&hl=en&client=firefox-a) of white privilege.

Also, I'm surprised no one has made the "how can you be proud over something you can't control" arguement yet.

Well, it's not that simple.

When you're constantly told that you're not the norm, you are not the ideal, you are the criminal, the oversexed, the undesirable it's very hard to feel happy about your skin color.

So the pride thing is really about "I'm human! See me! I'm not a deviant just b/c of my skin color! I'm not the other, I am you!"

It kind of goes like (and I know I am not putting it in the most delicate or best of terms, but I honestly can't think of any better way atm) white people in this culture have nothing to not be proud about. You're the beautiful, the majority, the rich, the powerful. When people think of Americans they think blonde hair, blue eyes the classic "American Beauty". I mean you down right pretty much own the whole thing, so what need do you have to say "White Pride!"?

It's almost redundant.

In the historical, American context, white people (in general, not talking about forgieners and the discrimination they faced) have not been opperssed by a nation they didn't choose to live in. At least not for 400+ years.

in short, racism will always be a problem, slavery is still rampant in the world, and i don't give a damn and refuse to feel sorry for anyone if they didn't actually go through it or suffer directly from it.
Newsflash, we still suffer the ill effects of slavery.

It's not as if everything was cool when slavery ended.

Jim crow laws carried on and weren't made illegal until the early 1960's. That's my parents generation. There are still schools in the south that have seperate black and white proms.

Ever hear of Marcus Dixon? His case so racist through and through it was nuts.

Racism is the fruit of slavery.

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:21 AM

Fuck the American Beuty, I fit in less because I'm white at my school than I would if I wasn't.
I'm not saying that thing is wrong, but if you live in SoCal it is, and I'm glad that shit's wrong, noone should have a fucking privelidge over someone else, why should I get blamed for something that MY RELATIVES DID NOT DO! I'm not from fucking ancestry that owned slaves, I'm Irish/German pretty much all the way, so if anything my ancestors got discriminated against. I have a family history tree thingy and we never owned slaves, so we didn't contribute. Also, Why the hell should today's black generation get something extra from what their ancestors suffered, I mean I understand that sucks but still, also, where I live, there is no fucking discrimination unless it's between minorites and other minorites or minorities hating white people. Wait nevermind I take that back >.< I just remembered the stupid fucking Minuitemen, I swear to god I will crush one of those fuckers heads in one day. People from Mexico shouldn't have to die for trying to cross the border, fuck!
Ehh anyways.... I think it should be even now with races..

MajorProblem

08-26-2005, 12:22 AM

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:25 AM

The only thing on that list we can take blame for is Olsen Twins.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 12:27 AM

Fuck the American Beuty, I fit in less because I'm white at my school than I would if I wasn't.
I'm not saying that thing is wrong, but if you live in SoCal it is, and I'm glad that shit's wrong, noone should have a fucking privelidge over someone else, why should I get blamed for something that MY RELATIVES DID NOT DO!

Woah. I'm not blaming anyone here. It just is what it is (I've been saying that alot lately :/ )

Also, Why the hell should today's black generation get something extra from what their ancestors suffered, I mean I understand that sucks but still....
Ehh anyways.... I think it should be even now with races..
Well, it's not really "something extra" if you consider all the injustice dehumnization and racism that has and still happens. I mean, it's like alot of people got a 400 yr start. And you expect it to be caught up in 40 yrs time?

Also, I hate the fact that discrimination of other races in America is even less talked about (in schools) than slavery. It could be an East Coast thing, but hardly anyone knows about the Chinese Ban back in the 1800's.

Myrsilus

08-26-2005, 12:28 AM

Thing is that most of these things were not caused by the current generation.
You are right and I don't think white people should be held accountable as a whole for things they didn't do. But you know the stigma sticks like glue.

It's just like the whole deal with the Chinese and Koreans hating Japan. It's not like all the Japanese commited horrible acts on them, but the stigma sure does stick and the hatred remains strong.

The good thing is that this whole stigma thing for whites is beginning to fade away, so I'm glad for that. Sure there are still some that try to take advantage of it to make jokes or even extort money, but it's calming down.

Hopefully this will all be in the past one day. Every respective race have made their own mistakes, and the most important thing is to learn from these. I think this is happening for the most part.

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:39 AM

I wasn't mad, I just hate the fact that this stupid discrimination shit goes on, while back in the day, I could've protested against it, but now it's so small and not talked about openly that I can't!
Plus! Since I'm 15 if there ever was something such as a pro gay marriage rally I couldn't join! Cuz my mom would probably be like no!
I didn't know there was a Chinese ban, that's weird, I love history class too! That's totally weird, I knew they were pretty much slaves for the Railroad....

Also I don't know what Japan did to Korea, but it's OK IMO for them to be hated by China, because of the Rape at umm whats it called well some place, and like that was sick.... the Japanese gov't doesn't acknowledge it or appoligize for it.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 12:45 AM

I didn't know there was a Chinese ban, that's weird, I love history class too! That's totally weird, I knew they were pretty much slaves for the Railroad....

From wikipedia.org
The Chinese Exclusion Act, signed into law May 6, 1882, followed revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. The revisions to the treaty allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration and Congress acted quickly to implement the suspension.

The act excluded all Chinese laborers to the United States for 10 years. Amendments made in 1884 tightened the provisions that allowed previous immigrants to leave and return, and clarified that the law applied to ethnic Chinese regardless of their country of origin. The act was renewed in 1892 by the Geary Act for another 10 years, and in 1902 with no terminal date. It was repealed by the 1943 Magnuson Act, allowing a national quota of 105 Chinese immigrants per year, although large scale Chinese immigration did not occur until the passage of the Immigration Act of 1965.

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:48 AM

Jesus christ, that's horrible. -.- I get so pissed off (even though I'm a cracka) when people get asian types wrong. I bet they did that.

US import/deport guy thing: So are you chinese or Japanese
Asian guy: I'm laosian
Us: GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY !
Asian: I'm laosian though!

Rogue_7

08-26-2005, 12:56 AM

from http://www.americanlynching.com/infamous-old.html

after this Denver didn't HAVE a chinatown.

The “ethnic cleansing” of Chinese (including Chinese-Americans) from the American West was one of the darkest chapters in our nation's history. Writes John Higham in Strangers in the Land, “No variety of anti-European sentiment has ever approached the violent extremes to which anti-Chinese agitation went in the 1870s and 1880s.” Many of the estimated 200 American lynchings victimizing people of Asian descent occurred during this dark era.
In 1880, many Chinese lived in Hop Alley, Denver's Chinatown. In October of that year an anti-Chinese riot resulted in the lynching of a Chinese man and the injuring of many others. A mob of approximately 3000 people had gathered in Hop Alley, consisting of “illegal voters, Irishmen and some Negroes.” Only 8 Policemen were on duty at the outbreak of the riot. Firemen brought in to disperse the crowd hosed them with water but this only made them angrier. The mob began to destroy Chinese businesses, to loot Chinese homes and to injure many Chinese. According to the Rocky Mountain News, the Chinese quarter was “gutted as completely as though a cyclone had come in one door and passed out the rear. There was nothing left...whole.” During this vicious mob attack, a man named Look Young, was dragged down Denver's 19th Street by rioters. According to a physician, he died “from compression of the brain, caused by being beaten and kicked.” Look was twenty-eight years old and employed at the Sing Lee Laundry. He left behind a wife, father, and mother in China, who were wholly dependent upon him for support.

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 12:59 AM

Jesus, that sent shivers down my spine.....
God damn people are fucking sick....

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 01:09 AM

White culture sucks, its true, were like sponges, we basically just rip everything off everybody else, making most people think that we made it.
White people made Classical. True (I think)
White people made Rock 'n Roll. False! It originated in Africa.

Do you really know so little about European culture and history that you would make such a stupid statement? Try reading about Europe during the renaissance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Renaissance) and then tell me "White culture sucks".

Honestly.

Spin Waffel

08-26-2005, 01:26 AM

There's also only a 1 or 2 percent difference between a human and a chimp. What's your point?

From Wikipedia:

My point is that it is a mistake to think in terms of race.
This may seem crazy but it will seem less so when when there are more mixed race people than "pure race" people.
This is happening at a fast pace.
This is a good thing.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 01:32 AM

are you trying to say race is a social concept, not a biological one?

hanacker

08-26-2005, 01:34 AM

White people made Rock 'n Roll. False! It originated in Africa.

Africa?

Edit: Apparently seven characters isn't enough. So here are three more: 123.

Pfalzer

08-26-2005, 01:51 AM

Yeah rock and roll was started not by "white americans :P but white americans made it popular.

Race is purely social. Theres nothing biological about race. Melanin perhaps but nothing else. :P Any one who can honestly say race is more than social is not all right in the head...

Spin Waffel

08-26-2005, 02:00 AM

Well, races look different, and the cultures act different, but as far as the genes go we are all very similar.
One of the few other species that has genetic conformity like humans is the Siberian tiger. They were hunted down to a very small number and all the decedents are from that small gene pool. All of the people alive today must have come from a similar small group. This happened over 100,000 years ago so humanity has had time to develop into strong family differences. Underneath we are all very similar.

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 02:01 AM

Race is purely social. Theres nothing biological about race. Melanin perhaps but nothing else. :P Any one who can honestly say race is more than social is not all right in the head...

Or perhaps better versed in physical anthropology. There are many physical differences other than melanin. Did you know that the different races have differing skull shapes?

http://www.wku.edu/~darlene.applegate/forensic/lab7/lab7.html

Pfalzer

08-26-2005, 02:15 AM

co_delphi

08-26-2005, 02:51 AM

As much as I love re-reading the same views reworded I feel the need to propose a unusual concept.

All around the world, the entertainment industry tries to capture the attention of the populace. The ever growing target market are the angst ridden teens of the world. To capture their attention and sell their products/get their shows watched they incorperate racial slander into their products/scripts to appeal to the kids by making their parents disapprove of them. The teens then use this to try to define themselves based upon what they are exposed to. This either results in them realizing the errors of their ways and becoming overtly concerned about the effects of racism or becoming biggoted racist adults. Then they become parents, the kids become teens and it all happens over again.

If you think racism will ever disappear it most likely will not as long as it is used as a entertainment medium. If you doubt me take a look at any prime time sitcom and tell me you do not see any racial/sexist undertones. As long as this is considered entertainment it will never go away.

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 03:19 AM

Are you so sure its due to race or to geographical differences. I bet no ones thought of tht huh... jus becuz a "race" inhabits an area more than another doesnt mean they are on a different biological strata than anyone else... maybe its just becuz of how they adapted to tht area... No cant be tht becuz no one would have anyhting to bitch about huh...

But the racial differences come from the fact that they had to adapt to the conditions of their particular area. They differentiated into the races we know today because of the selective pressures of their respective environments.

Pfalzer

08-26-2005, 03:28 AM

wow u totally still dont get it... nvm then this is why our world views are fucked up.

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 03:31 AM

I think I "get it" a lot more clearly than you do. You said "Are you so sure its due to race or to geographical differences". Well guess what, the racial differences as well as the races themselves are both the results of differing geographical conditions. They are one and the same.

Marblehead

08-26-2005, 03:48 AM

once again, white people suck.

MajorProblem

08-26-2005, 03:55 AM

Yeah rock and roll was started not by "white americans :P but white americans made it popular.
Rock evolved FROM an African art form. Rock and Roll is NOT African, it is American. There is a huge difference.

On a side note: Pfalzer, could you please use better grammar? It just bothers me when people use "becuz" instead of "because" and things like that. Not to be insulting at all.

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 03:59 AM

once again, white people suck.

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. Personally, I don't believe it is normal or healthy for anyone of any race to believe that their race "sucks" but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Marblehead

08-26-2005, 04:04 AM

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. Personally, I don't believe it is normal or healthy for anyone of any race to believe that their race "sucks" but hey, whatever floats your boat.

ROFL

I'm sorry man, I'm just fuckin' with everybody. I'm whiter than Harry Potter's ass!!

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 04:07 AM

I know, you said that earlier. But I thought you were being serious. One thing you should know about me is that I'm a serious guy with a very underdeveloped sense of humor.

h2orowe

08-26-2005, 04:44 AM

once again, white people suck.

Pfft, green people suck! You heard me! Fuck you Marvin! Marvin the Martian!

l337m45t3r

08-26-2005, 06:27 AM

ROFL

I'm sorry man, I'm just fuckin' with everybody. I'm whiter than Harry Potter's ass!!

Thanks Marblehead, till now I had never even thought about Harry's butt. Care to speculate about Snape's attributes? :p :horrified: ;)

QreepyBORIS

08-26-2005, 06:33 AM

I don't think very many people will more than fake moral outrage at a white person who white bashes.

Kustom

08-26-2005, 08:53 AM

Or perhaps better versed in physical anthropology. There are many physical differences other than melanin. Did you know that the different races have differing skull shapes?

http://www.wku.edu/~darlene.applegate/forensic/lab7/lab7.html

You're blending two concepts of race here. Biological differences between human groups do happen, like people from Iran, Turkey and Irak are very different physically and from different gene pools. It doesn't stop a huge majority of Americans from thinking they are all Arabs.

Some biological differences happen, and they have mostly NOTHING to do with skin color. People with black skin have huge differences in genetic features, even if you stick to Africa. The bantu and twa ethnicities in East Africa never actually mixed because of racial taboos specific to that area, and therefore are still extremely different genetically speaking. The Japanese descend in part from Caucasian (and Oceanian) stock because of their Jomon ancestors, and that's why a good third of the population has some Caucasian features to some extent, making them very different genetically speaking from most south east Asians.

On the other hand, Black people in the Carribean routinely have white or hispanic ancestry (assuming white and hispanic have strong different genetic features, which is complete BS scientifically speaking. Never met anyone who buys this outside of Northern America...) and share a lot of common genes in spite of their skin color.

So do humans have varying genetic features? Yes. Are those differences related to skin color? Huge NO, except for the genes that determine melanine levels.

Saying "black people" or "white people" is a judgement based on skin color, nothing else. Biology can never justify putting people of the same color as one homogeneous group, that's major BS.

PiccoloNamek

08-26-2005, 09:07 AM

Good, then we agree 100%. I never claimed that other biological differences between races were related to or caused by skin color. Skin color itself is a biological differences, just like all of the rest of the biological differences.

Kustom

08-26-2005, 09:35 AM

Great ^^
We're friends!

Expert Insomniac

08-26-2005, 09:35 AM

Though I'm a little late on the topic, and Roxie made about half my point for me already, I'm still feeling self important enough to give my opinion, on why there is no white pride.

The fact is, if anyone said white pride, I would immediately think KKK. If anyone said German pride, I'd immediately think of Nazis. Meanings of words change, and events in the past has changed the initial meanings of this word.

It's the same way that although the swastika originally was a symbol for good luck, if you saw someone with a big swastika on their shirt you would think "Nazi!" And even outside of the political/historical realm... if any of my guy friends said they were feeling really gay, the first thing that would come to mind is they feel sexually and emotionally attracted to men, not that they're happy. Meanings of words and phrases do change over time, and the meaning of white pride has now changed to first and foremost mean racism.

One of the main reason is that these things are not that far gone. Because of where and when I grew up, it's hard for me to understand that there was a time not too long ago where I could endure serious hardships for the fact that I'm Jewish and in love with a black man. But to people my age, it happened to our parents. Our grandparents. While many people have argued that "I haven't done anything! My family didn't do anything!", there is still a large portion of the population that remembers when it did happen to them, and to people they knew. Maybe many, many years from now, the phrase "White Pride" will be acceptable again... but it's too soon. Way too soon.

Others have argued that there have been other groups who have used racial pride in a negative way, yet they can get away with it (like the Black Panthers and Leb groups). There are two reasons for that. One is the fact that knowledge of these groups is not as well known. Another major factor that I know applies to the Black Panthers, though no idea about the other because I was uninformed of such a thing, is that while the Black Panthers existed, they were the minority. Being in the minority, meant that the meaning they brought to "Black Power" was not the most common meaning. But while everyone is shouting that their families never did anything, the fact is the majority of America supported slavery. The majority of Germany agreed with Hitler. The majority of America at least supported the KKK's ideals. Thus, these groups meaning of white pride became the most common meaning, making it the first thing people will think of when you use that term.

Also, I know a lot of pride is based on survival. I know a lot of my Jewish friends who barely follow the religion take pride in being Jewish, simply because people have tried and failed so many times to get rid of us. There is pride in the fact that your ancestors survived, that despite many people's best efforts we still exist. While different factions of white people (like the Irish) have experienced such a thing and can feel that pride, there has never been a giant campaign to slaughter anyone with pale skin. Since racial pride has been shown to me to be primarily pride in survival during adversity, since white people as a whole have never struggled against extermination the main pull is gone.

And in terms of affirmative action, I personally am for it: but I don't think it should be based on race. Instead, it should be based on income, the neighborhood where you live, the school you attended. I know many minorities whose families have more money than mine. But I also had a friend who was a minority who grew up in South Central. And the fact is, she did have a lot more trials than I did. I never had to worry about borrowing a sweatshirt before I walked home so I would be wearing neutral colors. I didn't have to spend hours on a crowded school bus just so I could get to a school where I could get a decent education. My father wasn't killed by a stray bullet before I was old enough to remember him (I swear, with the way innocent bystanders get shot, it seems safer to be the target and just join a gang.) She had to work harder than me to accomplish the same goals. While we applied to different schools anyway, I would have no qualms if she got accepted over me, because she DID have to work harder for it. There are other factors besides grades and extracurriculars, and they should be part of the deal: how you did in terms of what opportunities you had. Now, if done from a non-racial background, yes: it will still be mostly minorities that can utilize it. However, for the white people who had to work their way up from the bottom, and for the minorities that attended fancy prep schools, they will be judged fairly.

I can't think of a closing sentence, so I'll just stop typing before I type something REALLY stupid.

Kustom

08-26-2005, 10:13 AM

You're making some good points, ExpertInsomniac, and I agree "White pride" is a fucking inappropriate slogan. I'd kick the ass of a guy wearing such a shirt myself. Although I don't think it's a good thing to wear "Black pride" or "Asian pride" shirts either. "Black pride" maybe means something in the US of A, as a reference to the civil right movement, perhaps. Asian pride I cannot understand. When was there "a giant campaign to slaughter anyone" Asian? Biggest Asian killers were Mao and PolPot as far as I know.

Besides, you're basically stating you're proud of something other people did because you share an identity trait with them. I don't agree. If you share qualities or values they had, fine. No need to be Jewish, Black or Indian to admire and be proud of Ann Franck, Luther King or Gandhi. The risk of proclaiming your pride of fellow
people according to indentity, is to take credit for what they accomplished without having done it yourself, and then become arrogant with others who don't have the same background; while in fact you didn't do shit. Prime example of this attitude: http://www.outpostnine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361

I think basically we're all human and giving credit or blaming people for what others did on the sole basis that they share the same ethnicity is Wrong.

Yes, it's even wronger if European people boast about this as historically they got the best deal, but two wrongs don't make a right, and it doesn't make it ok for others to be racists.

I despise a racist prick of any ethnicity, and even if you're the grand-nephew of Hitler, I will judge you only on your own acts (including what you say also, of course). Keeping track of what people do now is exhausting enought, I ain't gonna judge them by their ancestors unless they're being apolegetic.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 10:45 AM

Asian pride I cannot understand. When was there "a giant campaign to slaughter anyone" Asian? Biggest Asian killers were Mao and PolPot as far as I know.
Try pages 3 & 4 of this thread.
Besides, you're basically stating you're proud of something other people did because you share an identity trait with them. I don't agree. If you share qualities or values they had, fine. No need to be Jewish, Black or Indian to admire and be proud of Ann Franck, Luther King or Gandhi. The risk of proclaiming your pride of fellow
people according to indentity, is to take credit for what they accomplished without having done it yourself, and then become arrogant with others who don't have the same background; while in fact you didn't do shit.

I think basically we're all human and giving credit or blaming people for what others did on the sole basis that they share the same ethnicity is Wrong.

Yes, it's even wronger if European people boast about this as historically they got the best deal, but two wrongs don't make a right, and it doesn't make it ok for others to be racists.

Again, pages 3 & 4!!

InsertWapNameHere

08-26-2005, 01:35 PM

Kustom

08-26-2005, 05:19 PM

I read pages 3 & 4 before, still don't see what you mean. Give me the exact death toll of the Chinese ban, (you could also talk about internment of Japanese American during WW2), and I doubt it amounts to a "giant campaign" (and will never compare to what the Khmer rouge did, nothing in history even comes close) which was what Insomniac was talking about. I'm not saying it was in anyway small or forgetable, or anything like that, what I'm saying is that sadly you could find a hundred thousand similar massacres in history, and then everyone could go around wearing shirts boasting about their ancestry that got killed or raped. Anyway, it is about Chinese immigrants in America, so you could wear a shirt stating "Chinese immigrant pride" and that would be less of a simplification. But why would a guy from Thailand or Singapore feel victimized because Chinese immigrants built the railroad?

And, like I said, even if someone sharing an identity trait with you has been victimized, it doesn't make you a victim. My family came from Poland and I don't go bitching to everyone about how proud I am to have been through anti-polish pogroms or Yalta, because I never have. It concerns me as a fellow human being and I empathize with the Polish victims just the same as the Jewish or Gitans, not more. In spite of the fact that I share a last name, a few genes and an unability to get tan with him, I don't feel closer to a Polish than to a black guy in America, or rather I feel just as close. I'm doing my best to be color/nationality blind and I don't think going around bragging about "Polish pride" would help...

Now I understand that if you are a black guy in America today (keep in mind that this is a situation peculiar to a time and place; in most other places around the globe other minorities would face prejudices. So please, let's stop the "Whites are from Mars, Blacks are from Venus" shit), and face racism on a daily basis from white people, you feel like hitting back; but it still doesn't make sense to fight racism with racism. The answer to "White pride" BS is not "Black pride" or "Asian pride", it's a reaction, not a solution. The solution for me is to look at people beyond their skin color, including your own. I'm not shooting the messengers here, though, I know you are explaining, not excusing. This was mostly aimed at Pooka to begin with.

Now I agree that words are somewhat coined because of certain people, so if "black pride" was used during the civil right movement and hints to that, you could wear that slogan around to show that you share the same values they promoted. But other terms have no such historical meaning to the best of my knowledge, and I don't think it's a good idea that everyone whose ancestry somewhat suffered goes around with Pride shirts. It looks like another form of chauvinism to me.

Unactuality

08-26-2005, 05:34 PM

I'd like to contribute something here, but Kustom's got this one locked down tighter than... well, let's just say there's not much left to say.

Kudos, and full agreement from this white boy.

Expert Insomniac

08-26-2005, 06:35 PM

Everyones alittle bit racist sometimes~
Doesn't mean we go around comitting hate crimes~
Look around and you will find no one's really color blind~
Maybe it's a fact we all should face~
Everyone makes judgments based on race~

I can't believe no one has quoted this song yet. Well, all I have to say on this subject is simply "Ethnic jokes may be uncooth but you laugh because they're based on truth, don't take them as personal attacks, everyone enjoys them so relax".

YES! I posted a link to it on page one, but everyone either
a) ignored it, or
b) thought I was being silly.

Let's go show off our "People who Know Avenue Q" Pride! We know the internet is for porn!

And Kustom, I definitely agree with you. I've never understood having to advertise racial pride (though to be fair I AM white), not even Jewish pride which is my closest equivalent. If I am going to outwardly proclaim pride, it's going to be for something I accomplished, like nailing a monologue, writing a kick ass essay, or making delicious cookies from scratch.

Another thing I was thinking of is that people use racial pride to show that they're not ashamed of their race. They don't feel there's anything wrong with being black, white, asian, hispanic, etc., etc. And this is a good thing. You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are. Yet, even if that's the big kicker, like Shakespeare said, "The lady doth protest too much." Why the need to shout everywhere that you're not ashamed of what shade your skin is? Is it that you think people expect you to, or are you not sure that you are okay with your ethnicity? Either way, both of these situations are sad, and should be remedied in other ways beside pride advertisements.

i'm curious, to all the white people who complained about not being able to show white pride? Why is that? Do you actually really want to wear a white pride T-shirt, or is it just one of those principle things? I know that while I love my heritage because it's a part of me, I don't feel the need or desire to advertise it. Then again, I've always hated wearing T-shirts with writing on them.

Another thing that pisses me off a lot is the whole "You're not acting black" thing. Simply because I've noticed that for the most part, what you need to do to act black is act uneducated. Which is horrible: to be black you can't speak eloquently? Now THAT'S discrimination. On a related note, I find it hilarious when I would see black and white people in my schools who dressed like they were in a gang and acted so tough, yet the two people I know who either lived in really crappy neighborhoods or had been on welfare didn't act that way. Just amusing... it must be so hard to live in the frickin valley. After all, you're five miles from the mall and your mom's making you take the bus and won't buy you a pimped out Escalade! The horror!

dillon

08-26-2005, 08:58 PM

i skimmed through a majority of the posts in this thread but i think a lot of people are confusing race with ethnicity and using them interchangeably. race is white, black, yellow, brown, etc. and ethnicity is irish, german, european, asian, japanese, etc. saying "white pride" or "black pride" or "yellow pride" isolates people specifically based on their skin tone and nothing else (yes, i know that "yellow" usually refers to asian people but the distinction of which "color" is which ethnicity tends to blur with white, black, and brown). however, being proud of being irish, or german, or asian, etc. relies on cultural heritage and whatnot.

i don't think that the concept of "it's okay to make fun of white people" is dominantly based on slavery, the past, etc. i'm not saying that it's right, but it just tends to be widely accepted that making fun of the more dominant group is okay. i.e. women making fun of men.

QreepyBORIS

08-26-2005, 10:29 PM

Well, during the times of slavery, you could say (and I would say) that whites were the dominant group. I mean, white people dominated the hell out of black people--forced labor, terrible conditions, and beatings are definitely evidence of that. But with women, it was similar, too (though too a much lesser degree, clearly). A woman never recieved an education, did everything the man told them to, did all the housework etc., reared the children, and more. Men were dominant there, too, and only because of the rise of feminism can women make fun of men--because they were dominated. Much how any group that was dominated by white people (read: anyone who is not white) can do the same thing, since they were, as you put it, dominated.

So, in a way, the concept that it is okay to make fun of white people is based on slavery in part. It is also based on all the other times white people dominated other races and even other whites of different ethnicities. And, of course, since white folk are the CLEAR populational majority in North America and many other English-speaking countries.

EDIT: Sorry, when I said English-Speaking, that really was not broad enough. I guess I mean "White-ruled" coutries, or countries that were in any way dominated by white folk.

Roxie

08-26-2005, 10:50 PM

Another thing I was thinking of is that people use racial pride to show that they're not ashamed of their race. They don't feel there's anything wrong with being black, white, asian, hispanic, etc., etc. And this is a good thing. You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are. Yet, even if that's the big kicker, like Shakespeare said, "The lady doth protest too much." Why the need to shout everywhere that you're not ashamed of what shade your skin is? Is it that you think people expect you to, or are you not sure that you are okay with your ethnicity?
Well, it's because you get daily messages telling you how you aren't the norm, your race didn't contribute anything to this society, you're criminal, etc...b/c these msgs haven't stopped, niether have "pride" movements.

Another thing that pisses me off a lot is the whole "You're not acting black" thing. Simply because I've noticed that for the most part, what you need to do to act black is act uneducated. Which is horrible: to be black you can't speak eloquently? Now THAT'S discrimination. I completely agree and suffered through alot of that, however, that's a whole 'nother bag of cats.

Expert Insomniac

08-27-2005, 12:09 AM

Well, it's because you get daily messages telling you how you aren't the norm, your race didn't contribute anything to this society, you're criminal, etc...b/c these msgs haven't stopped, niether have "pride" movements.

This is a good point. When I wrote that last comment, I was mainly thinking of my own personal viewpoint of having white pride, which is in a different realm than other types of racial or ethnic pride. I should've thought that through a bit more before I sent it, and thanks for catching me on it. I guess... it's really just too bad that we need to have pride movements. That fact that someone would be put in a position where they need to say "Hey! I'm black, and that's a good thing!"

Well... it is getting better than it was. I mean, look at the twentieth century, and where racism (in America at least) was then and where it is now. Maybe things will be even better by the end of the 21st century.

Hey, someone's gotta be an optimistic dreamer, right?

dillon

08-27-2005, 12:22 AM

Well, during the times of slavery, you could say (and I would say)..
snip.

...
i'm not even going to bother refuting.

Kustom

08-27-2005, 01:38 AM

Snip

So, in a way, the concept that it is okay to make fun of white people is based on slavery in part.

The concept of making fun of white people is based on judging a whole lot of different people living on four different continents with very different personal history (some of them having ancestors that were victims of genocide, slavery or Enron) because they share a certain skin color. It's exactly the same as making jokes against blondes, Americans, Jews, women, etc.

Now if you are with your white friends and feel like making fun of them for their skin color, go for it if they're ok, because them being your friend, you most likely see them as people before you think about their skin color. There's plenty wrong with making fun of strangers about their skin color, and if you do I don't want my hypothetical kids to be near you at any time.

QreepyBORIS

08-27-2005, 03:04 AM

...
i'm not even going to bother refuting.

You probably misinterpreted it because I wrote it badly. My bad.

And Kustom, I do not condone making fun of strangers for their skin color. And also, I cannot remember ever making fun of my white friends for their skin color. Also, I am white.

Roxie

08-27-2005, 03:29 AM

Damnit, I feel I made a kick ass post and to which no one has responded! :mad: :p ;)

But I think alot of people aren't looking at the real issue. Instead of focusing on "it's okay to make fun of white ppl b/c" you need to look at "why is making fun of white people more acceptable" and "why is screaming 'white pride' cultural murder?"

Well... it is getting better than it was. I mean, look at the twentieth century, and where racism (in America at least) was then and where it is now. Maybe things will be even better by the end of the 21st century.

Hey, someone's gotta be an optimistic dreamer, right?
I agree to an extent. I mean I can do anything without having to go in the back door or go the "colored only" side, but racism is still prevelant. Just alot more quite.

I do not think they'll be as they should be the end of the 21st (we're talking over 400 yrs of oppressions here), but I would hope they would. I mean, I did my part, my first b/f was white ;)

Kustom

08-27-2005, 05:31 AM

Pfalzer

08-27-2005, 06:11 PM

Myrsilus

08-27-2005, 06:22 PM

Mririan obviosly hehe u are not black i wish things were handed to us its only handed to the poorest of us. Everyone else tht falls in between gets nothing. Please dont think u have a worldview of being black becuase you will never be black i hope you dont take it hard. I didn tmean to flame u or anyhting. But the only person tht will ever know wht we actually go through are black people. I live down here in oklahoma i get treated liek shit. until they hea rme talk and they know "well he doesnt really sound black at all he seems pretty nice" thts good until when helping you is a hassle then ur left in the cold. Dont assume please.l and Btw I LOVE YOU MRIRIAN I HEART YOU MUCH lol dont hate me!
I think she is trying to talk about how SOME, not all, black people take advantage of the turmoil their descendants had to go through. I think the board pretty much calls it the "Racism Card". I'm sure you've heard about the cases where blacks try to get compensation for the turmoil their DESCENDANTS had to endure. And they have won in the past.

I know a LOT of black people(maybe it's because I'm Hispanic... we seem to get along really well). And I'll agree, many work hard for what they get. I know a friend who has a mother that is going through college to try to become a teacher. She is a very hard worker and a very kind woman. She always calls me "baby". :D

But then you have the activists that want to milk the racism situation for all it is. And it's not like blacks are the only people that do this.

Sorry to hear that you are treated poorly in your area, but understand that it's not the same everywhere. Here, especially, black people are treated as everyone else is treated. I can understand you feel very strongly about this, though, and that's great.

About the whole "white pride" thing... I really try to not think about it, but it's very hard not to relate the phrase to the KKK and all. Mainly because most of the people I hear about that feel the need to make that statement are usually affiliated with the Aryan Nations, KKK, and etc.. If it was used enough by people unaffiliated, I'm pretty sure this automatic relation would die down a bit. I hope so, at least.

Pfalzer

08-27-2005, 06:53 PM

I say racism is everyones fault except for children :D * i need my own theme music for tht garbage*

Kustom

08-28-2005, 04:20 AM

In my experience, children can be the worst racist brats... :D

They usually swarm around the "different" kid like a pack of hungry wolves...

JudoPorkChop

08-28-2005, 05:15 AM

Yes, some people do play the race card way too quick. Most often these are the same people who haven't really experienced heavy discrimination or outright racism. They just feel it's something going against them, and it's solely because they're black.

It bothers me that so much is handed to blacks these days. Not just because it isn't fair to whites (which it isn't), but also because it detracts from all the hard work and strife of the blacks from years past. I have enormous respect for that group of people who fought for their freedom, and then equality, against huge odds, and actually won.

What about those who are still fighting? Look into what equalizing effect Prop 209 had on the UC college system. Immediately following it's passing Minority enrollment rates bottomed out, and STILL haven't made it back to where they were pre-209. It had an immediate cooling effect on minority applications, who correctly assumed that without the AA protections in place, they would not be admitted.

http://www.ags.uci.edu/~gvoice/fall97/prop209.html][/url] On UC campuses, some effects of SP-1 and Prop 209 are starting to be felt. The University of California may have already come to be perceived as a less-than-hospitable environment for underrepresented minority students. UC's five medical schools saw an unprecedented 22 percent drop in the number of non-Asian minority applicants, as well as a 24 percent drop in minorities in UC's current first-year medical class. This drop has been largely attributed to a new perception of UC as an unwelcoming place for underrepresented minorities. In reply to this, opponents of affirmative action have countered that, compared to "people in the sixties who had to be escorted to school with guards and bayonets," today's minority students have little basis for feeling that they are not welcome at the University of California merely because they are not given preferential treatment due to their race.

The number of minority applicants who were accepted to UC graduate departments has decreased as well. This year, UC Berkeley's graduate programs accepted 18 percent fewer Latinos, blacks and Filipino Americans than last year. The drop in Latino admissions was the greatest (27 percent), but the number of African Americans who were admitted also decreased (3 percent). Native Americans admissions, another group previously targeted by affirmative action efforts, actually increased by 5 percent, however. Asian Americans and Caucasians, the groups with the greatest representation before SP-1 or Prop 209, either benefited from the new admissions policy or were unaffected. Asian Americans saw a 6 percent increase in acceptances, while the number of white students accepted to Berkeley graduate programs remained steady.

That was in the first year. Such measures are coming into place in Michigan that will have the exact same effect as it did in California. The fight isn't over. The face of higher education is slowly becoming disturbingly homogenous.

But as to making fun of white people? Specifically because they're white? Thats every bit as jacked up as crossing the street because there's a few black people there. (Last jab, I swear...) It's okay to make fun of someone's cultural ineptitude, like your average WASP in Compton is comedy gold. Same goes for Taking Homie G-Thugg Murder Dawg and tossing him in the middle of White Settlement, Texas is gonna be amusing. Yes, there is a White Settlement, Texas. No, it's not as bad as it sounds. Humor based on cultural difference is fine, as long as somewhere in there you're making an effort to build a bridge.

Marblehead

08-28-2005, 05:25 AM

But as to making fun of white people? Specifically because they're white? Thats every bit as jacked up as crossing the street because there's a few black people there. (Last jab, I swear...) .

***High fives JudoPorkChop*** :D

Spydr

08-28-2005, 05:35 AM

I have a much better idea. Why don't we just open up all races to mockery and ridicule? I'm sure this is likely to make the highest number of people happy. Especially those of us that happen to like racist humor, like myself.

Corinthian

08-28-2005, 05:54 AM

Lifes too short to worry bout racism bullshit. Man i was up in Salem oregon last week. While up there, there was a Aryian nation rally. Did it FUCK my day up? No. Kept my ass movin man.

And with the jokes and what not about white people, its just funny. I mean you dont HAVE to like it. But shit happens you know?

Deadhead

08-28-2005, 05:58 AM

I really am not bothered by it.

Sure it happens, but there are so many better ways to insult someone other than race that I really just laugh at them.

Yeah its a little hypocritical that white people jokes are OK and other race jokes arent, but if you cant deal with that you deserve to be offended.
Besides, its not like there are any good stereotypes for white people anyways (other than that we are 'average at everything' but whats wrong with that?).

Ive been trying to make up good stereotypes about white people for years (we deserve some, I dont wanna be left out).

I havent come up with a ton. Any ideas?

makavelithedon

09-01-2005, 07:46 AM

to all the people who keep saying in this thread that racism is getting better needs to come to my blokc or any block ive been at. i have to deal with racist coment on a regular basis. i dont see it ever stopping either. i hope theres a day when my kids and there white friends can chill wit no problems like martin said but now instead of the "kill dem niggars" its grumpy white males muttering under there breathes "i cant believe amanda brought that nigger over for diner, new boyfriend my ass". and that scares me more the a klansman. i rather u make fun of my race to my face then playin the nice nonstereotyping gentlmen.

about making fun of white people i catch myself doin it sayin things like thats the whitest guy ever but i know how much it pisses me off when people make fun of me for no reason. but white jokes are funny and so are black jokes and every other race jokes as long as there not takin like a joke and not for a fact

to the people who think blacks should stop using the race card for things like affirmative action and our 40 acres and a mule(Fuck a mule son give me a playstation) slavery is still being felt today in every ghetto in america. were just "behinde" u could say white people in the sence of economical status and that will all change as soon as more blacks pursue higher learning.

the day racism dies is the day theres only one race of extremly fucked up looking brown people(me being one of those)

ManiacLove

09-01-2005, 03:02 PM

Inu Ga Urusai, I love you.

I think white people are more sensitive to race jokes then any other race, and it's stupid. That's just my opinion/experience.

(Also mind you, I am half white.)

- To the Black panthers Comments.. I don't remember them hanging anyone, but that's just me.

- Ghandi was racist.

Pfalzer

09-01-2005, 06:13 PM

Yeah people tht whine about race cards is annoying i mean yeha we use it sometime slol but dont we deserve it? I mean if we were on equal grouns with slaveowners form the start we wouldnt be so far behind economically its only been 50 years or less since we are even beign recognized as equals in the fucking united states. So shove the race card comments up ur ass and and spit it back up. Its a privilege we deserve and it is a privilege some of us abuse sadly. BUt it is nontheless soemthing needed in order for us to catch up O on about 200 to 300 years of slavery and injustice. I think lienancy may be deserved :P But i don know im goign to college going to be a surgeon goign to make the money goign to raise a family or not beats me. O i find this also annoying epoeple say KKK and they immediately say Black Panthers lol the two organizations though common in violent views are not NOT the same. Black panthers didnt hang people from trees and drag them behind pickup trucks so dont confuse or compare them. I woudl rather deal with panthers atleast they allowed whites and etc into their organizations... Imagine a black guy goign to the KKK he would be hanging from their front door before he knocked. So kiddies before you get pissed off because of affrimative actioon race cards and etc. Think about some of the thing sur ancestors might have done to our ancesters which would in turn put us back economically socially and etc. Its something at the very least we deserve we may even deserve more.

Native Americans got the most out of being fucked by "Americans" and they didnt deal with half the shit African americans or Africans had to deal with. Fuck we didnt even get our fuckign forty acres and a mule. So dont bitch about wht we are getting now its long overdue... And i want interest! Peace Bitches! :cool:

Sorry for the grammar and typos im in class huzzah for laptops ans supositories!

eyez0nme

09-01-2005, 07:36 PM

You said nothing.

MrIan, you are a racist

Native Americans are like zoo animals.

Annorax

09-01-2005, 08:04 PM

You said nothing.

MrIan, you are a racist

Native Americans are like zoo animals.

Potkettling will get you nowhere here.

Also, Indian casinos are not zoos. There's a huge difference... eventually, the Indians will win all their land back. One would hope they have enough of a sense of humor to stash the rest of us on the worst reservations they can find. ;)

Katiekoneko

09-02-2005, 05:17 AM

A joke that was on tv the other day:

"What do you call a native that finishes medical school?" :D

"A doctor you racist!!" :mad:

It was SO great and funny how the guy told it too. His face went from "ooh it looks like Im gunna say something funny, I, may even laugh about it right now!" to SUPER serious.

Roxie

09-02-2005, 11:01 AM

I'm really interested in this. Really, everyone should check this out and see if they notice these things in daily life. You don't need to post your answers, but look it over.

White Privilege Checklist

Peggy McIntosh, Associate Director of the Wellesley College Center for Research on Women, describes white privilege as “an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks” (McIntosh, 1989).

The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race.

___ 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
___ 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed
or harassed.
___ 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my
race widely represented.
___ 4. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people
of my color made it what it is.
___ 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the
existence of their race.
___ 6. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a
supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone
who can deal with my hair.
___ 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work
against the appearance of financial responsibility.
___ 8. I am not made acutel aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a
reflection on my race.
___ 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
___ 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my
co-workers or peers assume I got it because of my race.
___ 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
___ 12. I can choose public accommodation with out fearing that people of my race cannot get in
or will be mistreated.
___ 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group.
___ 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the “person in charge” I will be facing a
person of my race.
___ 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t
been singled out because of my race.
___ 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and
children’s magazines featuring people of my race.
___ 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more or less match
my skin.
___ 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
___ 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race.
___ 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of
my race.

Pfalzer

09-02-2005, 12:52 PM

Good post i couldnt check any of those ...maybe becuase im black! :D

InsertWapNameHere

09-02-2005, 01:13 PM

I was able to check 17 of those. Now stop trying to justify racist jokes. Sure, everyone is alittle bit racist, some more than others, and jokes that shouldn't be told get told. Yes, people make fun of _____, let's move on. This topic should have been dead by now. :/

Edit: Yes, I know you're not actually trying to do that, but under the context it looks like it and I just wanted to get my point across.

ManiacLove

09-02-2005, 05:25 PM

I could only check one of those.. I feel weird now. =\

Mojinr

09-02-2005, 09:21 PM

Hmm... I guess many people still don't understand the mindset of those blacks that "Pull the Race Card" as it is said. Not surprising but why do people act like it's only black that do it? Whites have done it and in fact are doing it more. Especially poor whites but that doesn't stop middle class whites from doing it too.

h2orowe

09-02-2005, 11:36 PM

I live in So-Cal, so like, the community is mostly Vietnamese, than Mexican, than Korean, than White, than other asians, and lastly black. For some reason, there is few black people in Orange County.
and this thing:
___ 6. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a
supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone
who can deal with my hair.
I'm kind of confused with that. It's like, what the hell are you meaning food of your race? Super markets are in my neighborhood, and then there are little 7-11 things, unless white people food is twinkies I don't think we can really have the advantage there, and the other markets are Vietnamese supermarkets.
Wait, a place that can deal with your hair? Wasn't there a movie called Barbershop with black people starring in it? Wasn't there a sequel to that movie with black people starring in it?
Music stores, music representing your race? How the hell does one do that? Pretty much all if not all popular music originated from Africa. So, it's like unless I'm looking in the classical section or like "Weird Al" I don't have a chance of finding "White" music (God, I hate Weird Al -.- ), don't say Rock n' Roll is white people music, when I think original Rock, I think of Chuck Berry. Well, there is stupid country music, but I don't like country (cept like Cash and a very small selection of Bluegrass songs, just because of the banjo). Isn't rap the biggest genre of music now?

Edit: Early in this thread, I was total defend the minorities guy :D I just wanted to somewhat play the Devil's Advocate.

Roxie

09-03-2005, 05:49 AM

I live in So-Cal, so like, the community is mostly Vietnamese, than Mexican, than Korean, than White, than other asians, and lastly black. For some reason, there is few black people in Orange County.
A reminder, the rest of the U.S. is NOTHING like So-Cal. This country is 75% white.

Orange Country was, until recently, known as the whitest county in America.

and this thing:
___ 6. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a
supermarket and find the food I grew up with, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone
who can deal with my hair.

I'm kind of confused with that. It's like, what the hell are you meaning food of your race? Super markets are in my neighborhood, and then there are little 7-11 things, unless white people food is twinkies I don't think we can really have the advantage there, and the other markets are Vietnamese supermarkets.
Well, fried chicken, collard greens and chittlins aren't traditional American foods. They were cooked by slaves. Niether are tortillas or carne asada. Supermarkets around here have JUST started carrying hispanic/latino spices, drinks, and foods. We have ONE store that I know of, that sells Carribean and African spices, drinks, and foods. And we're a ways away from the highway.

Wait, a place that can deal with your hair? Wasn't there a movie called Barbershop with black people starring in it? Wasn't there a sequel to that movie with black people starring in it?
Now, I am about to lose my paitence with you.

Barbershop, as you stated, is a movie. Not only that, but the movie took place in an urban area where you are more likely to see places that deal with black hair.

It seems you don't understand that there is a difference between white & black hair. ESPECIALLY when it comes to female hair care. There are different rules and processes. There are things you can do with white hair that you can't with black hair and vice versa. It can be especially hard to find hair care products in stores.

Music stores, music representing your race? How the hell does one do that? Pretty much all if not all popular music originated from Africa. So, it's like unless I'm looking in the classical section or like "Weird Al" I don't have a chance of finding "White" music (God, I hate Weird Al -.- ), don't say Rock n' Roll is white people music, when I think original Rock, I think of Chuck Berry. Well, there is stupid country music, but I don't like country (cept like Cash and a very small selection of Bluegrass songs, just because of the banjo). Isn't rap the biggest genre of music now?

Well, you have to remember, it's not just black and white. Some music stores here don't carry any spanish-spoken music. They definently do NOT carry any songs from Asian artists. The "World" sections are down right pitiful.

h2orowe

09-03-2005, 06:11 AM

Heh, I just brought up Barbershop to see if I'd get yelled at XD sorry.

I didn't really know there was a difference between white and black hair until I went on these forums.
Don't think though, that all white people get the white benefit thingy, I probably got very few of that, I can walk around Target, and probably not see a white face, except for maybe a worker or two. I honestly don't care.
The only thing that bugs me, is when people that work at the stores... don't speak English. I went to a computer store last year, to fix my old one.... and like the guy at the front spoke perfect English, I asked him about getting some RAM, and he took me further to the back of the store, where an old asian lady was sitting down. He told me to talk to her about buying RAM, and like I could barely understand a word coming out of her mouth -.- it was like "Buy Ram? You need? Ram buy you? Bring campootore heearea an' I poot RAM in campootore" well, you know, the usual Viet accent. I was like "All right, I'll probably come back sometime this week"... and I never returned.

But yeah, there is very few Asian music carrying places, which pisses me off, because I like J-rock. The old Wearhouse record store we had had a huge section of Latin music, it was like half the size of all of the other music sections.