View Full Version : Japanese youth care less about school & family than their peers in US, China, S.Korea
fuurin
03-02-2006, 12:06 PM
Read all about it:
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060302p2a00m0na019000c.html
SDSUMarcus01
03-02-2006, 12:16 PM
That doesn't really surprise me.
At my university... I'd say most of the foreign exchange students who are asian are Chinese or South Korean.
The few native Japanese students who are here... just tend to be looking for American mates.
PiccoloNamek
03-02-2006, 01:28 PM
Well, that really seems par for the course.
Japanese students were also most reluctant to take a leadership role or speak out.
Daishikaze
03-02-2006, 01:34 PM
From what I understand Education is paramount in Korea. I've been told that alot of the divorces in South Korea seem to be because one partner perceives themselves to be much smarter than their spouse and so forth. pretty messed up really
Zensouken
03-02-2006, 04:28 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?! (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060302p2a00m0na022000c.html)
touche
03-02-2006, 04:45 PM
ouch, that must have hurt. BADLY
whispering
03-02-2006, 04:56 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?! (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060302p2a00m0na022000c.html)
Stuff like that isnt that uncommon, in any country. In a surgery there can be shitloads of stuff inside the patient, so its not that suprising they forget about something every now and then. It seemed that the nurses didnt check for all the equipment properly.
shukusatsu
03-02-2006, 05:53 PM
WHAT THE FUCK?! (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060302p2a00m0na022000c.html)
Owned. Seriously though, this stuff happens from time to time everywhere, you just don't hear about it. Usually the object isn't 30 cm long though.
CarneviLL
03-02-2006, 08:01 PM
Wow I can't believe American kids like education more than the Japanese. I guess I should stop bad mouthing them as nothing but delinquents. The surgery story was kind of creepy, but it does happen, apparently somebody forgot the instrument count. I've heard of sponges being left in but a 30cm spatula wow.
Zensouken
03-02-2006, 09:11 PM
Y'know...
I know that shit gets left in people time to time, that didn't phase me, it's the fact that the first nurse knows that the spatula is missing but since the second nurse suggests that it probably wasn't there in the first place, the first nurse shouldn't worry about it.
I don't know if that's Japanese mentality at work again but in any country for a nurse to think like that in a hospital scares me.
Doctor 1: "Oh we can't find this biohazrad ridden needle we used to test on an HIV patient and I think I put it over there but I just can't remember."
Doctor 2: "Oh don't worry about it, that was probably yesterday anyway..."
YES! This is good news! Those kids need to a little reason to live than to grow up and become as Az puts it "borg-like." Asides from 12+ hour "Sarari Man" jobs, is being an adult in Japan that bad as far as the pressure and free time ratio?
I think the results are a good thing anyways. I hate to see a bunch of kids go through something they don't want to do.
fuurin
03-03-2006, 12:46 AM
The survey was conducted "by the government-backed Japan Youth Research Institute" and "gave no margin or error".
Any survey or poll can easily be slanted. Each country has its own style of pop culture, so asking foreign kids if they like "comic books, pop music and dramas" would naturally result in more negative replies.
Zensouken
03-03-2006, 01:01 AM
Ａ ドラマ ｉｓ ｂｓｉｃａｌｌｙ ａ ｓｏａｐ ｏｐｅｒａ ｉｎ Ａｍｅｒｉｃａ， ｒｉｇｈｔ？ Ｔｈａｔ’ｓ ｎｏｔ ｓｕｒｐｒｉｓｉｎｇ ｗｅ ｗｏｕｌｄｎ’ｔ ｃａｒｅ ａｂｏｕｔ ｉｔ ｈｅｒｅ．
Ｉ ｌｏｖｅｄ Ｄｅｎｓｈａ Ｏｔｏｋｏ ｔｈｏｕｇｈ．．．
Frankey-eh
03-03-2006, 01:29 AM
why can't I find the Japanese version of this article...?
Chinpokomon
03-03-2006, 02:20 AM
WHAT THE FUCK?! (http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060302p2a00m0na022000c.html)
Interesting article. However, what does it have to do with the original thread?
I don't trust the silly american version of this article! Find me Japanese!
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10 char.
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10 char.
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CrazyAce86
03-03-2006, 02:37 AM
I know that the Japanese students here-- the guys, anyhow-- are PARTY GODS. If you're hooked up with them, you are gettin' it ON. They basically came here to do crazy shit that 1) they couldn't get away with at home and 2) just have fun and not have to worry about the next test.
\m/ Rock on, Japanese students. :D
Frankey-eh
03-03-2006, 03:33 AM
:clap:
10 char.
haha. you're getting better at reading tatemae's :D
okay, I've just spent five hours writing a Japanese essay on my mixi about this (pm me if you want to read it...not that anyone would), so I have nothing else left to say, but here's the Japanese version of the article on Mixi which I based my response/reflection on
■ 元の記事：
成績、友人関係、異性との交遊などに「希望」を持つ日本の高校生が、米国や中国、韓国と比べかなり少ないこ とが１日、日本青少年研究所（東京）の比較意識調査で分かった。半面、「特に悩みがない」と答えた生徒の割 合も１位の米国に近づいた。
同研究所は「日本の高校生の意欲の低さと勉強離れの傾向が出ている。ゆとり教育との関係なども分析したい 」としている。
■ 英訳：
The survey conducted on March 1st by Japanese Youth Research Institute (TOKYO) shows a significant gap between the Japanese high school students and those of America, China, and Korea in terms of their low hopes on academics, friendships, and relationships. On the other hand, there appears to be nearly equal proportion of students who answered "I don't have any stresses in particular" as in America.
They say, "This shows the Japanese high school students' low ambition and the tendency to avoid academic work. We'd like to investigate how this relates to the stress-free education as well"
I would like to see the msn one in Japanese, to compare.
touche
03-03-2006, 03:48 AM
The survey was conducted "by the government-backed Japan Youth Research Institute" and "gave no margin or error".
Any survey or poll can easily be slanted. Each country has its own style of pop culture, so asking foreign kids if they like "comic books, pop music and dramas" would naturally result in more negative replies.
The October-December survey, taken from questionnaires distributed through schools to 1,342 students in Japan, 1,008 in the U.S., 3,221 in China and 1,714 in South Korea, gave no margin or error. (AP)
hm...if i'm right, Japan has about 300,000 students, US 400,000, Korea about abit lower than the two (230,000?) and China waaay too much, that gives us about ...hm...let's say 10 to the 80th degree amount of possible combinations of different students that could've been used on the survey.
hm...let's consider...we all don't think alike, right? so...let's see....i cannot see the basis from which they derived "gave no margin or error".
First of all, with that many choices, random picking isn't really "fair". Two, as you stated, cultural difference. Three, lastly, i really don't think all those students, if they were so deliquent, would answer to such surveys about their private life so completely even if it might be confidential >_>
KujiInRetsu
03-03-2006, 03:58 AM
There are many countries around the world that deride Western civilization on its perceived hedonistic cultures-- perhaps this is actual evidence that they might be right.
For the record, I am counting Japan as part of Western civilization, because face it-- their media, their technology, their universities, their government, their economy-- all outgrowths of mostly American (pre-World War II: generally European) imports refashioned by Japanese minds and cultural influences into what they are today.
To be honest, sometimes I really wonder whether today's secure societies and convenient methods have made "Generation Y," the "echo-boomers" somewhat soft and pasty in constituency. That we haven't known the kind of abject suffering the World War II generation knew nor the constant devil's shadow of Communism that the boomer generation had hovering over their shoulders kind of makes me more wary about how most of us take our security for granted.
MSquared
03-03-2006, 04:17 AM
That we haven't known the kind of abject suffering the World War II generation knew nor the constant devil's shadow of Communism that the boomer generation had hovering over their shoulders kind of makes me more wary about how most of us take our security for granted.
Don't worry, there are always those anti-American Islamic fundamentalists!
gyoza
03-03-2006, 05:15 AM
I know that the Japanese students here-- the guys, anyhow-- are PARTY GODS. If you're hooked up with them, you are gettin' it ON. They basically came here to do crazy shit that 1) they couldn't get away with at home and 2) just have fun and not have to worry about the next test.
\m/ Rock on, Japanese students. :D
Japanese people can DRINK. I'm an alcohol monster among my (non-Japanese Asian) friends, and one of the first people I met in college was a tiny 5' Japanese girl who could kick my ass at any drinking duel.
haha. you're getting better at reading tatemae's :D
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I cheated. I looked up the answers in the book.
PopCulturePooka
03-03-2006, 05:57 AM
Hahaha yeah.
Japanese are mad party animals.
So many high school and college kids in Japan told me the only reason they study in high school is too get too uni.
None seemed interested in learning for the sake of knowledge. It was all for an exam. Said a lot about attitude.
touche
03-03-2006, 06:00 AM
that's not good =(
what about their future? they can't ALL be AV idols...
Rellik
03-03-2006, 06:05 AM
Ａ ドラマ ｉｓ ｂｓｉｃａｌｌｙ ａ ｓｏａｐ ｏｐｅｒａ ｉｎ Ａｍｅｒｉｃａ， ｒｉｇｈｔ？ Ｔｈａｔ’ｓ ｎｏｔ ｓｕｒｐｒｉｓｉｎｇ ｗｅ ｗｏｕｌｄｎ’ｔ ｃａｒｅ ａｂｏｕｔ ｉｔ ｈｅｒｅ．
Ｉ ｌｏｖｅｄ Ｄｅｎｓｈａ Ｏｔｏｋｏ ｔｈｏｕｇｈ．．．
no not really a soap opera... when we think of soap operas we think of shit like "the young and the restless"... asian dramas would be more equivilant to something like "The OC" which lots of teenage (girls?) love.
from wiki:
What differentiates a soap from other television drama programs is their open-ended nature. Plots run concurrently, and lead into further developments. An individual episode of a soap opera will generally switch between several different concurrent story threads that may at times interconnect and affect one another, or may run entirely independent of each another. Each episode may feature some of the show's current storylines but not always all of them. There is some rotation of both storylines and actors so any given storyline or actor will appear in some but usually not all of a week's worth of episodes. Soap operas rarely "wrap things up" storywise, and generally avoid bringing all the current storylines to a conclusion at the same time. When one storyline ends there are always several other story threads at differing stages of development. Soap opera episodes invariably end on some sort of cliffhanger.
+soaps have the backlighting/shadow effect and the settings are always indoors, with lots of dark wood
PopCulturePooka
03-03-2006, 06:08 AM
that's not good =(
what about their future? they can't ALL be AV idols...
They go to college.
Men get engineering or business degrees and get dull office/engineering jobs.
Women get other degrees, work for 4 odd years, get married and be housewives. Its the way.
Varia
03-03-2006, 06:51 AM
This test is bogus because it only represents a small amount of teens in Tokyo. Tokyo is a soul-destroying city. Have 10,000 inaka kids do the test and see the results. I think that would produce much more accurate results.
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They go to college.
Men get engineering or business degrees and get dull office/engineering jobs.
Women get other degrees, work for 4 odd years, get married and be housewives. Its the way.
And people wonder why kids aren't excited about their future and growing up.
If that's what I had to look forward to, I'd probably party every minute I could too.
Kind of OT: how big of a percentage of men work more than 9 hours a day? It's not as common as most would think, no?
Depends on the day, but I'd say that most people in my office work a good 10. In terms of actually being there, anyway. Whether that has a connection to real work ...
Depends on the day, but I'd say that most people in my office work a good 10. In terms of actually being there, anyway. Whether that has a connection to real work ...
So the 12 hour+ work days are only for a few exagerrated professions?
I'm just wondering if a lot of Japanese people have to put up with staying at the office because leaving early (err...ON TIME) makes you look bad.
9-10 hours doesn't seem TOO bad when you take in all the stories i've heard of looking busy vs. hard work :)
If we were talking December, the average workday would go up to 14 hours per day. It's only 10 now because it's not busy.
If we were talking December, the average workday would go up to 14 hours per day. It's only 10 now because it's not busy.
Wow. That 14 hour figure is your office or would you say the average work day period? That's just too much pressure and expectation. I can't believe so many people are so accepting of that from my point of view. :boggled:
touche
03-03-2006, 04:30 PM
They go to college.
Men get engineering or business degrees and get dull office/engineering jobs.
Women get other degrees, work for 4 odd years, get married and be housewives. Its the way.
i was kidding XD, but i ahve to agree with you, their future isn't pretty grim averagely.
wow...14 hr work days....it's like....school....except it's from 7-11 :eyepop:
8 to 10, actually. And near the end of the year most people I knew had those kinds of workdays. Paperwork, hurrah. I guess it differs from season to season.
From everything I've read about Japan here, I wonder how we have this image that everyone is really studious and school obsessed here in America. Like Japan = Kids who are obsessed with good grades and are so distressed about not getting into a good school that they commit suicide. Okay, not always suicide, but I'm using that for emphasis. :P
Funny how countries can represent themselves.
Rellik
03-04-2006, 08:41 AM
what's the japanese word again for those students that work really hard during highschool but then burn out as soon as they graduate?
In Japan, women grow up to be this. Clipped from an Economist article from 2003 (I think it's still true).
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