South Dakota House Approves Abortion Ban Bill

[drdan]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/abortion_south_dakota

"...Republican Gov. Mike Rounds said he was inclined to sign the bill, which would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless it was necessary to save the woman's life. The measure would make no exception in cases of rape or incest..."

I'm all for banning abortion but why do they have to ban abortions for rape victims and incest cases. Idiots.

[CrazyAce86]

They can't ban abortion without getting themselves entangled in the "separation of church and state" doctrine. Most believe abortion is wrong based on their religious upbringing and beliefs; can't make laws that favor religion. Sorry, nope, can't do it.

If you make a reasonable argument based on the crime of murder, then I'll listen. I will probably disagree-- I may not like abortion, but I'll fight for your right to it-- but I will listen.

I'm not too worried about rape and incest cases; in those instances, the morning-after pill is available. I realize not always and that this ban would severely impede such procedures, but what can you do?

What happened to Republicans / Conservatives? They used to be such good folks, but since the turn of the century they turned into the Axis of Evil for the most part.

I thought this country was founded on freedom, not fear and religion. Oops, silly me. :duh:

[kyaa the catlord]

They can't ban abortion without getting themselves entangled in the "separation of church and state" doctrine. Most believe abortion is wrong based on their religious upbringing and beliefs; can't make laws that favor religion. Sorry, nope, can't do it.

Gods, are you really this dumb? A legislative body can make any law it wishes to. It could pass a law stating that worshiping the Invisible Pink Unicorn is the one true faith, if it wanted to.

What SD did can't even be construed as a seperation of church and state issue, it is regulating a medical practice, which of course, is part of what governments do. Simply stating that is is a breach of the seperation of church and state, which is not even constitutionally found in the first place since it sets a preference of irreligion vs. religion, is simplistic and shows your ignorance on what the constitution actually protects.

This is actually going to be a fun case to come to watch, the Supreme Court has already shown that it is supportive of states rights over federalization and ruling from the bench. I'm hoping that this case climbs the courts quickly so a that a real discussion of the role of the judiciary can be opened. Roe v. Wade was a BIG mistake and a slippery slope from a constitutional view.

I now await flames from those who will jump to certain conclusions based on emotionality.

[Kusoyaro]

I agree, Kyaa (...), but we all know what the coverage will show: people shouting, holding banners and such, pro-life and pro-choice banners abound, etc. Whatever.
I don't really care, if someone wants and abortion, they can leave state, but the politics is really fun. The more I age the more fun it becomes, like a really good game of I'Go, haha.
I'm tired.

[ManiacLove]

I'm not too worried about rape and incest cases; in those instances, the morning-after pill is available.

Well, yes, if they report it. A Large percentage of rape, and a larger percentage of incest are not reported. (Source (http://www.rainn.org/) ) People who don't want to admit to rape/incest (Which you will have to do unless you walk into a Planned Parenthood, at least in my state) are screwed.

Now I realise this doesn't effect my state currently, but it could, and it's really scary to me, as a woman.

[Jay]

Well, yes, if they report it. A Large percentage of rape, and a larger percentage of incest are not reported. (Source (http://www.rainn.org/) ) People who don't want to admit to rape/incest (Which you will have to do unless you walk into a Planned Parenthood, at least in my state) are screwed.

Now I realise this doesn't effect my state currently, but it could, and it's really scary to me, as a woman.

How true.

:D

[Masa the Masta]

People who are raped/incested are screwed anyway, literally.

Edit: Oh shit, that was Jay's joke. :bored:

[phagan]

Fetuses: 1 Hippies: 0

[Matt W]

It will be struck down. I doubt if the Supreme Court will even hear it.

[Ozero]

coathangars and backalley abortions should be all the argument needed in the issue of abortion legality.

[c-rex]

It will be struck down. I doubt if the Supreme Court will even hear it.
It's a state law. If a state makes a law it stays in place until Congress amends the constitution to preempt that law. Notice how the Oregon suicide law is still around.

Constitution > State Law > Federal Law

[slinky]

It's a state law. If a state makes a law it stays in place until Congress amends the constitution to preempt that law. Notice how the Oregon suicide law is still around.

Constitution > State Law > Federal Law

Kind of. But only if the state law doesn't violate the Constitution as already written/interpreted.

If it doesn't violate THEN the constitution needs to be amended in order to overturn the state law.

THe reason the Oregon law is till around is because no one's gotten around to trying to amend the contitution for that. Oh noes terrorism and gays are much more important.

[Roxie]

coathangars and backalley abortions should be all the argument needed in the issue of abortion legality.
Thank You!!

But you know how people feel about things like that, "that's you deserve"...:bored:

Honestly though, I think we might proper fucked with this Supreme Court.

[kyaa the catlord]

It will be struck down. I doubt if the Supreme Court will even hear it.

The irony is that the only way the Supreme Court will be able to hear it is if it gets struck down.

[kyaa the catlord]

coathangars and backalley abortions should be all the argument needed in the issue of abortion legality.

OMG! BACKALLEY ABOTRIONS! TEH HORRAR.

Fearmongering, fun for the whole family.

[Matt W]

It's a state law. If a state makes a law it stays in place until Congress amends the constitution to preempt that law. Notice how the Oregon suicide law is still around.

Constitution > State Law > Federal Law

Slinky is right. I'm saying the courts will rule it is unconstitutional, goes against Roe v Wade.

[Roxie]

Notice how the Oregon suicide law is still around.

To be fair, it is not a "suicide" law. IIrc, the law allows doctors to withhold care if that's what the patient so desires.

OMG! BACKALLEY ABOTRIONS! TEH HORRAR.

Fearmongering, fun for the whole family.
Ah, no, it's not fearmongering.
I'm sure you know that abortions happend before it was legal and it was very dangerous. The people performing them weren't always doctors and women often died from internal bleeding or resulting infections. So, in short not fearmongering.

I can't believe this. This happens along with the pharmacists that refuse to give out birth control or morning after pill to paitents with perscriptions and GWB's "Abstience Only" intiative. Hello, 1953

[Chelsums]

Gods, why is this country going fucking backwards?

I may not support abortion but I am all for keeping it legal so women will not have to have back alley abortions or take harmful measures themselves. I really hope this goes to the Supreme Court and they do something about it. And if the SC decides to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I don't know what I'll do.

Also, the thing with rape is that many of the cases are not reported. So then the case is more difficult to prove. So if a law was ever made that said abortion could be allowed in cases of rape, it would just make things so much more difficult. Because any woman who wanted one could say she was raped and a person who really was raped may not be able to prove her case. The courts would have lots of rape cases to deal with just so the women could get an abortion. So even though the law is totally and completely stupid, it does make a little sense that they did not include rape/incest in there.

[Roxie]

Check out the World Health Organization's Study on Unsafe Abortions (http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publications/unsafe_abortion_estimates_04/estimates.pdf)

It start on page 10. You'll need Adobe.

[CNagy]

To be fair, it is not a "suicide" law. IIrc, the law allows doctors to withhold care if that's what the patient so desires.


Actually, that law allows doctors to administer lethal doses of medication if the patient requests it.

[Roxie]

I think Planned Parenthood's taking care of that. They're everywhere.
Perhaps you should take a look at that entire sentence.

I may not support abortion but I am all for keeping it legal so women will not have to have back alley abortions or take harmful measures themselves.

If abortion was made illegal, then not even PP could perform them.

[Roxie]

PP isn't everywhere, not like it should be imo. I've had problems trying to get one since the closest one moved further away.

And heaven help you if it's the weekend. :knockout:

[Angelyne]

Not only are PPs not everywhere, but not all of them offer abortion services. A friend of mine pretty much had to travel across the state to get one done, and she lives in a suburban, left-leaning area. I'm not advocating that there should be an abortion clinic on every street corner, but I'm pointing out that for a lot of women, it isn't logistically easy to get one, especially if you're poor.



That said, it's really disgusting how women's rights are taking a step back into the Dark Ages. I have a feeling that I'm going to moving out of this country at some point in my life.