The Three Stooges

[The_Penguin]

Wow, Az, that gives me a much better view of the Ghetto school. It kind of sucks that teachers don't have any authority/power to deal with little fucking brats.

One thing that struck me was this part.
-snip-

She also said that sometimes, these are the kids of politicians/wealthy and influencial businessmen in the city. Sure, you could come down on the bastard kid, but then the school suddenly loses it's funding for the computer classroom next year. She also hinted that some of these kids may be the sons/daughters of yakuza..."sometimes we have parent/teacher conferences" she said, "and the father looks like quite a, hmm...serious individual." Here, she held up a four-fingered hand (with her pinky tucked in) and gave me a shifty look.

This conversation did take place two years ago though, and that teacher doesn't even work there anymore, so I don't know how much of it is true now.

-snip-

Why would this be a problem? Maybe it's because I've lived my entire life without being bothered by any organized crime figures. Just tell the fucker to screw himself if he tries threatening you.

[crow-kun]

Are you insane would you go to the mafia and tell them to fuck off.

[The_Penguin]

Are you insane would you go to the mafia and tell them to fuck off.
What are they going to do? Whack a teacher because he didn't let the kid get an easy ride?

[The_Penguin]

Then again, I'm thinking about this within the context of the US, where you can buy guns and defend yourself if necessary... probably won't hold in Japan.

[gyoza]

Well, don't you remember that editorial when a bunch of yakuza panic when Az walks down the street? :)

[Masa the Masta]

Well, don't you remember that editorial when a bunch of yakuza panic when Az walks down the street? :)

I say Az should be recruited into the ranks of the Yakuza.

That way the Yakuza can say, "If you don't like what our policies are, you can talk to HIM... "


:watson:

[Tenlaius]

oh how Breast Girl has fallen :(
eh...things happen..

[Quartermaster]

Are you insane would you go to the mafia and tell them to fuck off.

War IS bad for business, generally, but since this is a school they're talking about, they might be able to "disappear" a body without serious consequences.

I have no idea about any of this. He or another teacher can slap the kids around and see what happens. Maybe you can spin it as the kid shaming their family by being jackoffs?

[Zensouken]

So, is there like no Japanese equivlanet to a detention session?

[fuurin]

So, is there like no Japanese equivlanet to a detention session?
I was thinking that too. Detention, referrals, calling parents, suspension... Although, suspension doesn't do much good anyway.

Aren't the kids in charge of cleaning the classrooms? Could that work?

[Zensouken]

I was thinking that too. Detention, referrals, calling parents, suspension... Although, suspension doesn't do much good anyway.

Aren't the kids in charge of cleaning the classrooms? Could that work?

They clean the classroom as a mandated responsibility, but honestly I'd rather clean my classroom as detention assisgnment then writing out an essay or the same damn word 5000 times or even just plain old sitting there for like 2 hours.

Breakfast Club anyone?

[fuurin]

... writing an essay or the same damn word 5000 times ...
That has a certain potential when assigned by an English teacher. If the assignment has enough variation, it could even, dare I say, be interesting. :eek: Some sort of physical activity could be combined as well.

Besides, if they're occupied, then they aren't causing trouble. :P

[Frankey-eh]

They clean the classroom as a mandated responsibility, but honestly I'd rather clean my classroom as detention assisgnment then writing out an essay or the same damn word 5000 times or even just plain old sitting there for like 2 hours.

yeah. cleaning isn't a punishment... it's what everyone does. punishment would be something like getting singled out, and embarassed in front of the whole class. I'll never forget that one time when I had to sing in front of the class as a punishment for asking a stupid question (Do I have to put my name on this?) in first grade.

[Xenotrauma]

...are there stupid questions in 1st grade? ;;

[Crowley]

yeah. cleaning isn't a punishment... it's what everyone does. punishment would be something like getting singled out, and embarassed in front of the whole class. I'll never forget that one time when I had to sing in front of the class as a punishment for asking a stupid question (Do I have to put my name on this?) in first grade.

It's moments like that when telling your teacher to fuck off in a foreign language seem appealing.

[gyoza]

Heh, I still remember this one class in 2nd grade when our regular teacher was sick and another teacher took over for the day.

Teacher: Okay, there won't be a lesson today, just take out a book and read it.
(I just sit there because I realize I don't have a book)
Teacher: No storybook?
Me: Yeah.
Teacher: Then draw a picture!
Me: I don't have a piece of paper
Teacher: I have something for you to do, how about you stand in the corner over there?
Me: WTF.

[fuurin]

We keep spendin' most our lives, living in the Ghetto Paradise...Coincidentally, a movie called Lean on Me (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305133514/103-6498710-9475868) was on A&E today. I had never heard of it, but it was quite good. Morgan Freeman is the principal. Just the fact that I saw it seems eerily appropriate right now.

Aside from Dangerous Minds (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305428271/102-7478270-9235306), some other movies in the same genre include To Sir, With Love (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003L9C1/002-5044128-4644851) (Sidney Poitier) and Stand and Deliver (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305161917/103-9692606-1042242) (Edward James Olmos). All are based on real people and events except To Sir, With Love, but that one is often referenced as having been more groundbreaking than the rest of them.

[Frankey-eh]

...are there stupid questions in 1st grade? ;;

yeah... the teacher said "Do I need to put my name on the paper" was the type of question we should know the answer to by May (after April when school year began). I asked that question in second semester.

[Azrael]

I was thinking that too. Detention, referrals, calling parents, suspension... Although, suspension doesn't do much good anyway.
There's no such thing as detention. I've told students about it as a cultural talk and they're appaled. "Wow, America is strict" they say. There are no referrals either.

Calling parents does no good because many of the parents downright suck. Many of them just don't care. Many others will blame everyone else except for their own kid. The parents are no help.

You can't send a kid home/suspend them because of an annoying Japanese law that states that all students have the right to attend class. I'd heard of a case a few years ago where one jr. high school teacher got fed up with the bad members of his class and told them to go home. And this caused quite an uproar with the parents. This is the one aspect I really hate, because things wouldn't be so bad if we could just isolate the bad students into "integrated studies" or something like that, or just send them home. Instead, the teachers spend half the day begging them to go to class and pay attention, and not only does that take away from the good students, the bad students presence also affects the good students, as they get bullied and messed with.

Even if you gave a kid detention or extra work, it has no effect because he/she isn't going to do it. They have no reason to. The bastard sannensei now...they haven't done a scrap of work since they came in the school, and they're still going to graduate with everyone else come March. The teachers will be happy to push them out of the school. It's like "once this class is gone, everything will be ok!" But the current ninensei are only going to get worse, and with an environment like this, students are going to realize that they can be little shits and get away with it.

The ONLY thing the teachers could possibly do is restrict them/ban them from their sports clubs...pretty much all of the bad kids participate in the sports clubs and seem to enjoy it. The prospect of getting benched for the big game might force some kids to keep in line I imagine. However, this thought would never even cross the teachers minds.

It's really annoying.

[Zensouken]

All that jazz...

Az, that's just stupid. Jeez.

[Bob]

There's no such thing as detention. I've told students about it as a cultural talk and they're appaled. "Wow, America is strict" they say. There are no referrals either.

Calling parents does no good because many of the parents downright suck. Many of them just don't care. Many others will blame everyone else except for their own kid. The parents are no help.

You can't send a kid home/suspend them because of an annoying Japanese law that states that all students have the right to attend class. I'd heard of a case a few years ago where one jr. high school teacher got fed up with the bad members of his class and told them to go home. And this caused quite an uproar with the parents. This is the one aspect I really hate, because things wouldn't be so bad if we could just isolate the bad students into "integrated studies" or something like that, or just send them home. Instead, the teachers spend half the day begging them to go to class and pay attention, and not only does that take away from the good students, the bad students presence also affects the good students, as they get bullied and messed with.

Even if you gave a kid detention or extra work, it has no effect because he/she isn't going to do it. They have no reason to. The bastard sannensei now...they haven't done a scrap of work since they came in the school, and they're still going to graduate with everyone else come March. The teachers will be happy to push them out of the school. It's like "once this class is gone, everything will be ok!" But the current ninensei are only going to get worse, and with an environment like this, students are going to realize that they can be little shits and get away with it.

The ONLY thing the teachers could possibly do is restrict them/ban them from their sports clubs...pretty much all of the bad kids participate in the sports clubs and seem to enjoy it. The prospect of getting benched for the big game might force some kids to keep in line I imagine. However, this thought would never even cross the teachers minds.

It's really annoying.

So, lock them out of the classroom. Its not like they're gonna complain to they're parents because they can't do schoolwork

[The_Penguin]

There's no such thing as detention. I've told students about it as a cultural talk and they're appaled. "Wow, America is strict" they say. There are no referrals either.

Calling parents does no good because many of the parents downright suck. Many of them just don't care. Many others will blame everyone else except for their own kid. The parents are no help.

You can't send a kid home/suspend them because of an annoying Japanese law that states that all students have the right to attend class. I'd heard of a case a few years ago where one jr. high school teacher got fed up with the bad members of his class and told them to go home. And this caused quite an uproar with the parents. This is the one aspect I really hate, because things wouldn't be so bad if we could just isolate the bad students into "integrated studies" or something like that, or just send them home. Instead, the teachers spend half the day begging them to go to class and pay attention, and not only does that take away from the good students, the bad students presence also affects the good students, as they get bullied and messed with.

Even if you gave a kid detention or extra work, it has no effect because he/she isn't going to do it. They have no reason to. The bastard sannensei now...they haven't done a scrap of work since they came in the school, and they're still going to graduate with everyone else come March. The teachers will be happy to push them out of the school. It's like "once this class is gone, everything will be ok!" But the current ninensei are only going to get worse, and with an environment like this, students are going to realize that they can be little shits and get away with it.

The ONLY thing the teachers could possibly do is restrict them/ban them from their sports clubs...pretty much all of the bad kids participate in the sports clubs and seem to enjoy it. The prospect of getting benched for the big game might force some kids to keep in line I imagine. However, this thought would never even cross the teachers minds.

It's really annoying.
Wow... and I thought being a teacher in the states was a bitch (based on what some of my teachers had to suffer through.)

I agree that it's annoying that you can't get rid of the bad students. They don't want to learn (they'll probably become society's waste-product at some point), so it doesn't make sense to keep them in class.

[JusenkyoGuide]

It's really annoying.
Gods above, yes. I think I have the Nagano cousins of your stooges (just more of them) and I keep mentioning various was of doing something, ANYTHING, to keep them in control and all I get is wide eyed looks, mumbled comments, and no actions what-so-ever.

It always amazes me what the teachers put up with in class as well. Last year one of my ichinensei decided it would be fun to take a tennis racket and hit peices of chalk at his fellow students and the teachers. My JTE just kep on going while kids were getting hit and she had to dodge a few as well.

It didn't stop till he almost hit me with one and I went back and took the racket from him.

[羽之助]

What I'm doing - recall I'm in elementary school and I have previously interrupted a school lunch to chew out a kid who was bullying another, something I regret to this day (my way of handling it, not my stopping it) - is I have a yellow card, red card, and whistle. Act up, whistle and yellow card. Two yellow cards, watch out! I have yet to pull the red card.

For the hyper ones, a yellow card makes them laugh and settle down a little bit. For the ones who just hate being here, it makes them look sullen and quietens them a bit. Note: Has little effect on sixth graders who will give you a "You're trying to discipline ME?" look. Further note: Am in schools that are nowhere near the Ghetto School situation described by Az. When a bunch of ninensei (7-year-olds) burst into the office with a bouyant SHITSUREI SHIMAAASU!, they were immediately yelled at by an old teacher who scurried them outside and told them to do it again properly.

[Ether_Elemental]

I've given this disciplinary thing a good thinking through and i recalled some things my teachers used to pull on me, one of which was separating a person/persons from the classroom via a screen, with the desk facing the wall. that way, if the kid had anything to look at it was either a wall or the teacher. but i guess in the age of cellphones it's power has diminished, sadly.

the other idea was reviving an old favorite! The good old DUNCE CAP! y'know big conical thing, makes the wearer look stupid. but i'm sure that wouldn't go over well with any PTA, american or otherwise. i think it'd be funny seeing them trying to sound out dunce (as its not widely used in the english language)

Dunsuru?

[koku]

yeah... the teacher said "Do I need to put my name on the paper" was the type of question we should know the answer to by May (after April when school year began). I asked that question in second semester.


Hhahahahahaha. I'm sorry but that's FUNNY. You should know this "not even a real question" by MAY. You measured what you knew in months. Was that question apart of the cirriculum that the school teaches? "We teach your children the finest things like the answers to life's deepest 1st grade questions such as 'how did I get paint on my fingers?' 'why do we have to nap NOW' and of course, 'do we have to put our name on this?' Come have your children study at our school; they will know all this by May."


How do you even remember what semester you asked this?

[Frankey-eh]

How do you even remember what semester you asked this?it was that traumatizing.
I moved to a new school right before second semester, and this happened like, two or three days after, and I didn't know anyone yet, and I was really nervous. Then I sang a song no one has learned yet, that I learned in my old school... and that made things worse. I sang a song about Hawaii

[GovernorOfCA]

No rhyme or reason to it, she'll just smack the nearest person with a penis whenever she feels like it.

That sentence almost makes it sound like she's walking around with a bag full of dildos, whipping them out and smacking people with them whenever she feels like it.

[Masa the Masta]

That sentence almost makes it sound like she's walking around with a bag full of dildos, whipping them out and smacking people with them whenever she feels like it.


Of course, that could've gone both ways, as in people with penises, or she literally hits people with penises.

Mushroom prints! :box:

[Frankey-eh]

I don't get why Az made such a big deal about girls randomly hitting guys... I can imagine it, and it's an everyday thing. especially in middle school. For us, my friends and I used to just randomly hit our guy friends. And I don't think those guys minded it either... just the opposite, it led to have a crush on us. now they're "nice guys"

maybe I'm missing some keywords...

[Boomer]

She is larger, possibly stronger, and is not doing it to guy friends but is taking her anger out on these people with the intent to cause physical harm.

In american schools we don't allow harmless hits between friends to occur right in the middle of class. Everyone sits down and works.

But in Japan, she is free to spill male blood and teeth on the floor.

[Frankey-eh]

She is larger, possibly stronger, and is not doing it to guy friends but is taking her anger out on these people with the intent to cause physical harm.

In american schools we don't allow harmless hits between friends to occur right in the middle of class. Everyone sits down and works.

But in Japan, she is free to spill male blood and teeth on the floor.
here's the scene I'm imagining.
It's before class starts, and everyone's talking and having fun, and she's just hitting the guys in the class with something similar to a rolled up textbook. Like a pon pon on the head... and the guys are going "ite" and stuff. that doesn't seem too strange...

[gyoza]

That sentence almost makes it sound like she's walking around with a bag full of dildos, whipping them out and smacking people with them whenever she feels like it.

Like this? (http://www.go-girly.com/go/2)

[Blind_Dog]

im sorry i would have to beat the fuck out of those kids.spank them like my dad spanked me.i have to give major props to teachers. they graduate from high school and pay tens of thousends of dollars to go to a college for 4 years possibly more only to come out and get a low paying job to teach a bunch of little fuck tards. out of a class of about 45 kids only like 10 care what they are saying. being a teacher is a god given tallent

[LJGroh]

Like this? (http://www.go-girly.com/go/2)
Ahh, good stuff gyoza.

[erbiumfiber]

Az, will these girls go on to high school? Are the exams THAT easy? Or is there an "alternative" high school that takes the kids who flunk the entrance exams to the local schools.

If they don't go to high school, what do they do? Teenage prostitution comes to mind because I don't think you can even get a regular job in Japan at that age, but I could be wrong...and you can't have that kind of attitude and work in a conbeni- you have to be TOTALLY genki for that kind of job.

So, seriously, what happens next?

[Azrael]

^Probably not. Although I guess it wouldn't be surprising if they did. Entrance exams for a GOOD school are rough, but for your average public school they're not too hard. When I first came, the sannensei were horrible. I remember one girl in particular, who had a really short skirt, and spent the whole class period flirting with boys and flinging a yo-yo around the room. 3 years later, I see her around now...she is a high school student, and works a part-time job at the supermarket I always go to.

The Stooges...I'd kind of doubt it though. I see them headed for kabakura/the hostess industry/porn. And it's sad to say that about a 14-yr old, but unfortunately true.

But as I said before, The Stooges are annoying, but by no means the biggest problem at the Ghetto School. We have kids who have openly admitted to doing drugs, and some who have violent behavior disorders.

I don't get why Az made such a big deal about girls randomly hitting guys... I can imagine it, and it's an everyday thing. especially in middle school. For us, my friends and I used to just randomly hit our guy friends. And I don't think those guys minded it either... just the opposite, it led to have a crush on us. now they're "nice guys"



maybe I'm missing some keywords...

They're not her friends. Those boys don't even like her. She'll just be wandering around (in the middle of class) and just start hitting boys as they try to study. Just whomever happens to be in her path.

[erbiumfiber]

^But as I said before, The Stooges are annoying, but by no means the biggest problem at the Ghetto School. We have kids who have openly admitted to doing drugs, and some who have violent behavior disorders.

But you can still do a fair amount of drugs and get through middle/high school (I went in the 70's and everyone- teachers and students - was doing drugs- hell, my brother was a dealer...).

You can even be pretty violent and get through high school. Mostly, the school is probably rated on what percent get into high school and the administration could give a crap if you get murdered in the process by one of the more violent kids...

So probably the Three Stooges count more on how your school does on evaluations than the psychopaths...sad but I bet true. In my school they just cared that we showed up so we got more state/federal aid (which was based in part on attendance numbers).

[Zensouken]

Those three girls would be completely screwed in America, your life stops pretty quickly in this country if you refuse to do anything.

[Ether_Elemental]

unless you're family is well off and you can afford to.

[Zensouken]

OK, fuck Paris Hilton...

[Ether_Elemental]

literal sense: No. Just, no.
figurative sense: no kidding. thats a bitch that could teach the trio a lesson or two.

[羽之助]

On the topic of what can you do if you just don't care in middle school ...

During the summer these three girls came in to practice for a speech contest. Shy but cool, especially this one girl, where the high point of her speech was when she made this cute, mildly interested face and said 'Pond of Blood!'

Anyway, I asked about her family, etc, to get to know her a bit. Turns out she had an older brother who didn't even bother to go to high school - just flat out quit and moved to Sendai.

But you know, it does serve the Japanese mindset. If the students who don't care just drop out and take the low jobs nobody wants, then there is no need to import foreign workers for the factories and sanitation industries ...

[kitsunepixie]

I have a Canadian ALT friend (she kind of resembles Paris Hilton, who was strangely mentioned above in this thread, in both personality/looks) who came with me in July, and she already asserted herself in her classroom when a kid dared to act up in her class: "When I am the teacher, then you are in CANADA, not Japan, and if you act up, then you're getting deported!" Strangely enough, her kids love her...

[Takagou]

I go to my county's "ghetto" school. I have two AP classes with the better half of my school, and two regular classes. Its like night and day, and I'd hate to think about how terrible the kids would act if there weren't any detentions or referrals or pera pro's. Yea, there are people hired to walk around my school to break up knife fights. Go Morton! There are 4,000 kids at my school, and I'm pretty sure only about half of that would follow the rules if my school had Japan's standards.

Sad about BREASTS! girl. She was one of my favorites. Ah well, her memory will live on when I buy the shirt :hat:

[Frankey-eh]

I go to my county's "ghetto" school. I have two AP classes with the better half of my school, and two regular classes. Its like night and day,
I know what you mean about AP and regular classes. It doesn't have to be a ghetto school. Almost every school is like that, even mine. In AP, we take notes all day, or we get bombarded with homework, and no one complains, but in regular, we make a huge fuss and revolt. In AP, your goal is to learn as much as you can so you don't have to cram for the Ap test. In regulars, your goal is to waste as much time as you can. I used to dislike regular classes for that reason... but now, I've changed my mind. You can get your homework done in regulars! :D

[Zensouken]

The point of Ap and regular is balance, you can't be doing AP for very damn class, the average person would crack.

[Frankey-eh]

The point of Ap and regular is balance, you can't be doing AP for very damn class, the average person would crack.
not really. If I was anywhere but MV (the crazy HS), I could. If I know few people at Cal(the average HS) with 5.0's.

[gyoza]

What I'm wondering is why the kids go to classes in the first place if they don't want to learn. Is it because they just want to hang out with the other slackers, or because they're forced to because of the whole 'every student has the right to attend class' thing?

[Frankey-eh]

What I'm wondering is why the kids go to classes in the first place if they don't want to learn. Is it because they just want to hang out with the other slackers, or because they're forced to because of the whole 'every student has the right to attend class' thing?

in Japan? middle school kids are forced by law to go to school.

[gyoza]

...wow, I can understand why the law was made, but it really sucks for the kids who want to learn.

[羽之助]

Hurrah for mandatory education! No, seriously. We're all a little idiotic at that age, not realizing that disliking/hating school will be very very bad for our future. Unless we've already decided that our career goal is welfare (knew a few people like that in my high school).
What I'd like to see is where it says that education is an unalienable right (it's in the constitution, yeah) but then the interpretation that no kid can get kicked out of school/suspended/disciplined EVER.

To Kitsunepixie: Heh, that's cool. I like the strict but regular style.

[Azrael]

in Japan? middle school kids are forced by law to go to school.
I dunno how strictly they enforce that law though. I can think of at least 4 kids from the Ghetto School who have dropped out, just off the top of my head.

In my Ghetto School, the bastards go because it's fun for them. They hang out with their friends, get a kick out of making problems for everyone else, and then get to play in their sports clubs.

[JusenkyoGuide]

Hurrah for mandatory education! No, seriously. We're all a little idiotic at that age, not realizing that disliking/hating school will be very very bad for our future. Unless we've already decided that our career goal is welfare (knew a few people like that in my high school).
What I'd like to see is where it says that education is an unalienable right (it's in the constitution, yeah) but then the interpretation that no kid can get kicked out of school/suspended/disciplined EVER.

To Kitsunepixie: Heh, that's cool. I like the strict but regular style.
Article 26:
All people shall have the right to receive an equal education correspondent to their ability, as provided for by law. 2) All people shall be obligated to have all boys and girls under their protection receive ordinary education as provided for by law. Such compulsory education shall be free.
Unfortunately, when the US wrote this, they didn't bother to check the translation into Japanese. The Japanese have since stated that this article means just that, unless in the case of criminal behavor, you cannot remove a student from the classroom.

[羽之助]

Thanks, Jusenkyo. Now I've got something to work with ...

Article 26:
All people shall have the right to receive an equal education correspondent to their ability, as provided for by law. 2) All people shall be obligated to have all boys and girls under their protection receive ordinary education as provided for by law. Such compulsory education shall be free.
第２６条　すべて国民は、法律の定めるところにより、その能力に応じて、ひとしく教育を受ける権利を有する 。
　　すべて国民は、法律の定めるところにより、その保護する子女に普通教育を受けさせる義務を負ふ。義務教 育は、これを無償とする。



21.
(2) A child is excused from attendance at school if,
　　　　(b) the child is unable to attend school by reason of sickness or other unavoidable cause;
(f) the child is suspended, expelled or excluded from attendance at school under any Act or under the regulations;

While the education system I was under spells out the ways to send a student home, the Japanese one doesn't. But let's see ...

correspondent to their ability その能力に応じて
If they are sick, then their ability is judged to be zero for the time being and they are sent home*. So, reasoning from that, if they step out of line too much, they could be sent home.
*Caveat: If a Japanese student (let's say high school) was coughing and hacking over anyone, and they absolutely refused to go home/to a hospital, would the teachers override the student's wishes for the sake of all? If not, then my argument is invalid.**
**However: If the students are disrupting class, their ability is judged to be minimal, and they are sent to a detention room to do homework/punishment essays and the like, which are judged to be of the said students' ability.

All people shall ... receive ordinary education すべて国民は...普通教育を受けさせる
If disciplining students/sending them home was called 'Social Education' or 'Discipline Education' and applied equally to everyone at the school, and thus was ordinary, would it be acceptable under the Constitution?

[JusenkyoGuide]

All people shall ... receive ordinary education すべて国民は...普通教育を受けさせる
If disciplining students/sending them home was called 'Social Education' or 'Discipline Education' and applied equally to everyone at the school, and thus was ordinary, would it be acceptable under the Constitution?
I'm not too sure about sickness, but I shall try from here.

From what I have researched a few years back, the Japanese courts have held that they cannot unless a child is a danger to the class of such a degree that they have to be arrested. Only once a child is in the criminal system can a child be removed from the school against the will of the child and the child's parents (At any time can a child be pulled from the school by the parents as long as they are enrolled in a like school).

The reasoning behind this was to remove the last vestages of the ranking system in Japan. Before the new constitution came into effect, certain schools were desginated as peer schools for familes with rank in the peerage, women were not allowed in most high schools/universities, and the burakumin were not allowed in schools at all.

The Americans who came over on the first US Education Mission reported these factors and quickly abolished the Japanese system in place and revamped to to match the American system. The idea being that removal of the various ranks would allow democracy to bloom and prevent Japan from re-emerging as a militrist state.

Part of this effort was introduction of the exam system (In its present form), BTW. One of my books noted the irony of the fact that in attempting to induce equality to the Japanese educational system, the Americans ended up giving a system that was forced to treat all students equally and unable to deal with students who really do need special help.

[羽之助]

See, this is why I support Japanese constitutional reform. I wonder if it's too late now?

Do you happen to know if the interpretation is removal from school or removal from classroom? If it's removal from school then there could at least be detention rooms. If it's removal of class ... it's time for me to concentrate on making my money and then jumping ship.

[羽之助]

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/news/20060222p2a00m0na010000c.html

Schoolgirl arrested for pimping 13-year-old girl to man

KYOTO -- A 14-year-old schoolgirl who introduced a younger girl to a man who paid to perform obscene acts with her has been arrested, police said.

The second I read this, I thought, "Oh cool, Azrael's school is in the news."

[JusenkyoGuide]

See, this is why I support Japanese constitutional reform. I wonder if it's too late now?

Do you happen to know if the interpretation is removal from school or removal from classroom? If it's removal from school then there could at least be detention rooms. If it's removal of class ... it's time for me to concentrate on making my money and then jumping ship.
I do not know if it goes to removal from the classroom, or just the school. The key phrase is ordinary education so anything that cannot be considered ordinary or normal may not pass muster.

[necromancer_duo]

Then again, I'm thinking about this within the context of the US, where you can buy guns and defend yourself if necessary... probably won't hold in Japan.

god bless america

[Lea]

Wow, crazy school Az! When I went to middle school no one really ever behaved badly. I guess that's because I live in the most sheltered and peaceful areas around. Haha.

[CarneviLL]

If I didn't know this was Japan, I would swear you were talking about Detroit public schools. The stories I've heard coming out of there are similar. Kids telling teachers to go F themselves and shit like that, and people wonder why Detroit is such a dump. One question though, is the male students behavior partially based on the jigger thing? Them thinking they're gangsta or hard because they talk shit and act like assholes. That was part of the problem in my old highschool, the wiggers trying to make names for themselves. The way they acted and the way you say the bastards act is very similar. I do admire you Az, you seem like a dedicated teacher, it's just to bad we don't have more of you.