Prostitutes want to ban GTA

[Decade]

Now the legal system in the US is just getting ridiculous.

Read below for the original article:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/grandtheftauto3/news.html?sid=6144286


In short: Prostitutes in the US are trying to get Grand Theft Auto banned from video game shelves because it promotes "The murder and rape of prostitutes."


The only flaw in their argument is:

...Prostitution is illegal in the US (except for instances in Las Vegas).

Can you imagine what the opening statements would be?

Judge: "Ok, your case?"
Prostitute: "I feel the GTA video game is going to promote someone murdering or raping me at work."
Judge: "And what is your occupation?"
Prostitute: "Prostitution."

I GOTTA hear how this one plays out. Just the opening statements and what the judge says.

Seriously, the legal system in the US today is way out of hand when anybody sues anybody over anything. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying I condone the behavior done in these video games in real life, but Prostitutes wanting to ban the game because of its demeaning acts towards prostitutes?

Seriously, where did common sense go?

[PinkRanger]

Wow. That's stupid. There's nothing else to say. It's just stupid.

[DesertLily]

Actually, prostitution is legal in ALL of Nevada. Just thought I would point that out!

But yeah, it's a fucking stupid argument. It probably has something to do with the reason they're all prostitutes to begin with.

[Decade]

Really? It's legal in all of Nevada? I'm really confused on that exception, I remember seeing cops bust a pimp and his hoe once on the TV show "Cops," but I'm guessing because you have to be registered or something to do it? anybody know any actual laws about it in Nevada/Vegas?

[Kusoyaro]

"According to its Web site, SWOP USA is an organization dedicated to improving the lives of sex-industry workers and to the promotion of a safe working environment for the industry."

[DesertLily]

Really? It's legal in all of Nevada? I'm really confused on that exception, I remember seeing cops bust a pimp and his hoe once on the TV show "Cops," but I'm guessing because you have to be registered or something to do it? anybody know any actual laws about it in Nevada/Vegas?
Yeah, it might have something to do with registration or something. The only reason I know about it is because I read of some brothels operating in Nevada towns other than Las Vegas, and they're all perfectly legal. Perhaps you have to be working in an actual brothel or something? If it was on Cops, then you're probably right, there's gotta be some sort of restriction.

The article was absolute class, though. Creating a safe environment for criminals to do their work.

[hanacker]

Prostitution isn't legal in Vegas. You have to go outside of city limits to find yourself a good ho (legally).

[Arctic_Slicer]

My impression was so long as they aren't picking up clients in the casios it was okay.

[General_Failure]

It's legal everywhere in nevada EXCEPT clark county, which would be las vegas, henderson, etc. >.>

[hanacker]

My impression was so long as they aren't picking up clients in the casios it was okay.

It's certainly present in Vegas but it is definitely illegal. I'm just not sure how much the cops crack down on it,

[Lisa M]

And to be a prostitute in Nevada, you have to be registered with the state and pay your taxes on the money you make.

Generally you don't get busted unless one of you clients winds up dead or you don't pay your taxes.

[mawande]

Actually, I don't find it unreasonable that the game would alarm prostitutes. That life is terrifying enough already.

[Citizen]

Under Nevada law, any county with a population of fewer than 400,000 is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses (NRS 244.345). As of January 2005, Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) is the only county in Nevada with a population of over 400,000, but Washoe County will soon reach that point as well. Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether.

As of July 2004, brothels are illegal in Carson City, Washoe County (which contains Reno), Douglas County, and Lincoln County. Eureka County neither permits nor prohibits brothels and does not have any. The other 11 counties permit licensed brothels in certain specified areas or cities.

The precise licensing requirements vary from county to county. License fees for brothels range from an annual $100,000 in Storey County to an annual $200 in Lander County. Licensed prostitutes must be at least 21 years old, except in Storey County and Lyon County, where the legal age is 18.

State law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus (NRS 041.1397).

Nevada has laws against engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, against encouraging others to become prostitutes, and against living off the proceeds of a prostitute. All of these behaviors are quite common, however. Brothels are also not allowed to advertise their services in counties where brothel prostitution is illegal.

Fun times with prostitutes.

[Roxie]

prostitution should be made legal anyway.

[Collapse]

Make prostitution legal so everyone can treat them like shit.

lololololololololol.

Sure prostitutes, point taken. Abuse is abuse after all, but seriously, it's just a game. If it's legal in your states, by all means abide by it. You still have human rights, right?

lolno. *craigslist*

[Blind_Dog]

the thing is like 75 percent of navada is owned by the military were they practice bombing missions so u cant live in that 75 percent and all prostitutes should be lined up and shot

[Roxie]

Make prostitution legal so everyone can treat them like shit.

lololololololololol.

No.

Make it legal so we can get rid of abusive pimps, have them regularly checked for STDs, recieve free condoms, and tax their income. Also to enable them more protection in their profession.

[Collapse]

No. Treat them both like shit because they deserve it more.

[Pierrot le Fou]

I've never understood the beef with prostitution.

It's paying for casual sex. Yet we pay for casual sex all the time anyway in this country. If I take a woman out on a date, buy her dinner and a few drinks, and then we retire to a motel, ain't it the same? Why not just cut out the in between crap if all I'm interested in is sex?

Wouldn't women be happier too? Rather than guys taking 'em out to get in their pants, they could be confident that if a guy just wanted a quick lay, he could get his jollies off at countless whorehouses rather than going through the rigamarole of trying to bed them.

You think whores are dirty? Their living (if regulated) is dependent on being disease-free. That's a big motivator to be safe. I would be much more concerned about the girl in the bar 'til last call waiting for someone drunk enough to take her, or really most people who have casual sex beginning with a bar encounter. Alcohol does not lead to the best judgment on either side, and there's no overwhelming reason to be safe.

Furthermore you get them checked for STDs on a regular basis, cut out abusive/manipulative pimps, and provide a safe place for them to ply their trade.

Really, what the fuck is the issue with prostitution? It's the world's oldest profession for a reason.

[Collapse]

I still abide to what I wrote earlier that they still have human rights. I have no wonder why someone would blow a fuse over such triviality.

[Bob]

Now the legal system in the US is just getting ridiculous.

Read below for the original article:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/grandtheftauto3/news.html?sid=6144286


In short: Prostitutes in the US are trying to get Grand Theft Auto banned from video game shelves because it promotes "The murder and rape of prostitutes."

You can't rape anyone in gta...

[Shadowknight]

Problem with their complaint.
1. The promotion of the rape of prostitutes - uh, no. You PAY for sex in the game. You kill and steal, but no rape.
2. Promoting the murder of prostitutes - by their logic, the game also encourages the murder of
-random passerbyers
-random drivers
-police
-fireman
-Hospital workers
-Gang members
-FBI agents
-U.S. Army
-Fast Food workers
-Gun store owners
-Workers in clothing stores
-People in sex shops(GTA:SA)
-your girlfriends (again, GTA:SA)
-Ice Cream truck drivers
-people who fly planes
-Coast card
-other people who drive boats.
Sorry, their complaints have no merit. Otherwise, every single person in the U.S. can file suit as well. I don't remember, but did Cuba successfully petition Rockstar to take out the Cuban gang members out of GTA3?

[Roxie]

I've never understood the beef with prostitution.

It's paying for casual sex. Yet we pay for casual sex all the time anyway in this country. If I take a woman out on a date, buy her dinner and a few drinks, and then we retire to a motel, ain't it the same? Why not just cut out the in between crap if all I'm interested in is sex?
No, b/c you're not paying the girl, you're paying the resturaunt.

Hey, you can cut out the crap if you like, just tell the girl right off what it is you're after. Will it work how you want it to? Probably not, but believe you me, there are girls who think the same as you and want the same.

Anyway, clear communication about wants and desires need to be crystal from the jump off.

Moreover, prostitution should be legalized.

[Pierrot le Fou]

And you're paying the pimp at brothels in Japan. Does that mean that it's not the same? When you use money/goods in order to get into someone's pants, it's still prostitution, it's just bartering rather than a direct monetary transfer. Ask the Louis Vuitton toting high school girls here.

[Hatsumomo]

Prostitution is legal. It's called porn. That's something I've never quite understood.

If a girl has a lot of sex with lots of people, she's a slut.
If she charges for it, she's a prostitute.
If she gets paid for it and is videotaped doing it, she's a porn star.

Anyway, the porn industry screened for STDs, except they did it completely wrong and ended up having to shut down for awhile because of porn "actors" were passing HIV to each other.

[Bob]

No, b/c you're not paying the girl, you're paying the resturaunt.

You're buying her things so she'll have sex with you, that is prostitution

[Bob]

Porn is the debil!

. .

[CrazyAce86]

*sigh*

All I have to say is...

Welcome to America

[Digital Masta]

Actually, prostitution is legal in ALL of Nevada. Just thought I would point that out!

But yeah, it's a fucking stupid argument. It probably has something to do with the reason they're all prostitutes to begin with.


ACTUALLY prostitution is VERY MUCH ILLEGAL in Clark County which is where Vegas resides.

Outside of Clark County it is legal...and its not "on the street prostitution" that is illegal. They have to be in brothels/cathouses and its top of the line shit...they got health plans and everything these women. And you pay for their time not neccesarily to have sex with them...however in paying for their time if you choose to you can have sex with them.

[h2orowe]

I would like to pay to have a lunch and a nice conversation with a prostitute one day :D

[Roxie]

And you're paying the pimp at brothels in Japan. Does that mean that it's not the same? When you use money/goods in order to get into someone's pants, it's still prostitution, it's just bartering rather than a direct monetary transfer. Ask the Louis Vuitton toting high school girls here.
Yes, it isn't the same. You're paying the pimp for the girl.
You pay the resturaunt for the food.

Will seeming analogous, it is not the same.
I cannot speak for the high school girls there, b/c I don't know where there is (anti-drug location?). Most, if not all of the LV toting girls here have fake bags they bought off of a street vendor.
You're buying her things so she'll have sex with you, that is prostitution
As in the case of food and drinks, no. In that case it is the time spent that is most important (unless it's some ungodly amount of cash). Furthermore, prostitution requires the agreement and understanding of both parties, not a pov of one.

So while you (the general you) think "I've spent all this money, I'd better get some", she is probably thinking, "Oh, he's spent all of this time with me. I like him, he's a nice hot guy." See? Different. Anyway, my point of the clearest communication still remains, no matter what it is you're after.

[Decade]

Huey Freeman: "Riley, all girls are not hoe's. We're talking 20...30% tops."
Riley Freeman: "Oh yea? Well why do I gotta pay for dinner then when I can just pay the girl?"
Huey Freeman: "Cause you're not paying the girl, you're paying the restaurant, it's two totally different things."
Riley Freeman: "But I'm still paying! Which makes her a hoe, so why don't I just give her the money and she can go grocery shopping??"
Huey Freeman: ":confused:......"

[Roxie]

hahahaha, yes I was pulling at that!

[Pierrot le Fou]

The difference is psychological, not practical. Mistress are high-paid prostitutes. They expect to be taken care of monetarily, and in exchange put out with someone of their choosing who can afford to take care of them. Bar sluts are low-paid prostitutes. They expect to be bought a drink or two, and in exchange put out with someone of their choosing who can afford to buy them a couple drinks and possibly give them an orgasm or two.

The assumption that a prostitute has zero choice in who they screw is silly. A prostitute can refuse clients if they so feel the desire. And I would make the wild and crazy assumption that most freelance prostitutes regularly do as much, most likely because they're higher class, and aren't being told by a pimp that they have to bring home the bacon or else.

I think the image of what prostitution is, and what it actually is, are pretty divorced. I think the line is a lot blurrier than people draw it to be, and that people feel a lot more secure when ignoring that fact.

[CrazyAce86]

That was a good episode. I like Riley, though I'm more of a Huey.

I still just think "Welcome to America" says it all, though.

[Darkblade]

the laws on being able to sue individuals has been laughable at best for a long time.

I once suggested we have a "Common Sense" law to protect against idiotic and frivolous lawsuits like this. This particular case would sound something like this:

Judge: "Ok, your case?"
Prostitute: "I feel the GTA video game is going to promote someone murdering or raping me at work."
Judge: "And what is your occupation?"
Prostitute: "Prostitution."
Judge: "Do the defendants have any pre-trial statements to issue?"
Defendant: "Your honor.. *shrugs* Common sense.."
*Judge bangs the gavel*
Judge: "Case closed"

That would have been an especially nice law to have when that person sued for coffee being too hot.. its just common sense..

I wonder if I could stick a fork in a light socket and then sue the energy companies because *gasp* THERE WAS ELECTRICITY IN THAT HOLE IN MY WALL!!

[BigJDiesel20]

That would have been an especially nice law to have when that person sued for coffee being too hot.. its just common sense..

I wonder if I could stick a fork in a light socket and then sue the energy companies because *gasp* THERE WAS ELECTRICITY IN THAT HOLE IN MY WALL!!

I wonder why anyone hasn’t sued over microwavable pizza stick to the roof of your mouth and burn the hell out of it.

I remember watching HBO and see a show called Cathouse. That was the day I found out about Vegas legal prostitution laws.

Funny side note my friends keep trying to convince each other to take a trip down there but I just laugh it off.

[Zonehunter1]

Take-Two is dead. Now the shareholders are suing for losses. The company was killed in one year due to a bit of code that was forgotten to be taken out.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

prostitution should be made legal anyway.

Why? Just because it's there doesn't mean it should be legal.

People aregue the same thing about weed, but just because you might "think" it would be better if it was legal it really isn't.

[Darkblade]

first of all, prostitution is THE oldest profession on the planet.

second of all, weed was outlawed in the united states because they were afraid the tobacco industry would suffer substantial losses. Back then there were still so few people that generally every 8th person or so was in some sort of governmental position.

"hey Jim Bob.. you remember when mah wife baked you that pie? Id like a favor. could ya outlaw them there marijuana crops? Theys bad competition for mah tobaccer crops"

we have even more absurd laws in our books. hell, even oral sex is still illegal in most states... what else do we have.. cant take a bath outside.. cant say "here boy"... these laws are fun to read through...

and I dont smoke, nor do I "smoke".

[Praetorian]

People aregue the same thing about weed, but just because you might "think" it would be better if it was legal it really isn't.

Both weed and prostitution is legal in the Netherlands. Neither had a detrimental effect on our society.

[Crowley]

Netherlands being that major global player right now?

[Praetorian]

Netherlands being that major global player right now?


I fail to see how global power has much to do with the effect on weed and prostitution on the general population, and I think it is a shame that you had to use a silly argument like that in a debate. I think it would have more to do with the quality of life which, may I remind you, is higher in the Netherlands than in the UK (where neither prostitution nor cannabis is legalised), according to the Human Development Index published by the United Nations.

Also, the Netherlands was the world's very first global superpower, before Portugal and the British Empire. This was while prostitution and mind altering drugs were allowed, and neither seemed to have any effect on the Netherlands ruling most of the seven seas. Or do you think cannabis is to blame for the decline of power for most ex-superpowers? No, didn't think so either.

[Decade]

People aregue the same thing about weed, but just because you might "think" it would be better if it was legal it really isn't.

Totally serious, didnt somewhere in Colorado make weed legal? I swear to God, I thought I saw this on the news a few months ago.

(watch how half the members here magically dissapear for a few days, and come back reeking of cheetos and funnybones)

[Annoying MSN Person]

Criminalisation of prositution does nothing. It keeps the workers of the industry in the shadows, where they are more likely to be abused. We recently decriminised and regulated prostitution in New Zealand. Now, prostitution is being taken off the streets and into an environment that is safer for the prostitutes. It hasn't encouraged more people to take it up. You have to have a realistic attitude. Legislation does nothing to stop this behaviour, and harms more than it protects. It can place more blame on the prostitute than the man that uses her services. Even your so called Jesus was involved with a prostitute.

As for marijuana, look into the reasons it was criminalised in the first place. A heap of propaganda, racism and the Mormons. Clickity (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html)
In terms of the pharmaceuticals that are marketed at you these days, it is not sane for something natural to continue to be the big bad wolf. I abhor smoking, but to continue to keep it illegal for widespread medicinal use is just stupid. The number of recreational users would suggest that a regulated market could keep it out of the hands of the younger users, whom it really can screw the fuck up, and on both counts, there's always the lovely tax benefits to be made by getting these activities into common ground where they can be scrutinised.


About the game itself, good for them. Why the fuck people find this kind of game entertaining I don't have a clue. But prostitutes are not a lower lifeform. More than most of society, they need protection. Think about what must go through your head as you consent to strange men violating you. You don't get to that place willingly. They have all the more balls to decry it when their trade is not legitimate in the eyes of the court.

[Darkblade]

i almost threw up from laughing while reading that (the info in the link)
the tobacco plantation owners were responsible for a lot of funding back then. They played a crucial part in making "their competitors products" illegal.

[Crowley]

I fail to see how global power has much to do with the effect on weed and prostitution on the general population, and I think it is a shame that you had to use a silly argument like that in a debate. I think it would have more to do with the quality of life which, may I remind you, is higher in the Netherlands than in the UK (where neither prostitution nor cannabis is legalised), according to the Human Development Index published by the United Nations.

Also, the Netherlands was the world's very first global superpower, before Portugal and the British Empire. This was while prostitution and mind altering drugs were allowed, and neither seemed to have any effect on the Netherlands ruling most of the seven seas. Or do you think cannabis is to blame for the decline of power for most ex-superpowers? No, didn't think so either.

You are quite right, and I purposely misphrased the argument for the sake of being a dick ;)

The thing is: legalised drugs and legalised prostitution "works" for the population of the Netherlands, but as you've clearly stated, this is a population to whom these freedoms have been historically available. To take these now-controversial freedoms and apply them wholeheartedly to a population such as that of England, or America, and you have an entirely untested situation. People argue from their own experience, with barely a thought for real social demographics.

[eyez0nme]

Prostitution is legal. It's called porn. That's something I've never quite understood.

If a girl has a lot of sex with lots of people, she's a slut.
If she charges for it, she's a prostitute.
If she gets paid for it and is videotaped doing it, she's a porn star.

Anyway, the porn industry screened for STDs, except they did it completely wrong and ended up having to shut down for awhile because of porn "actors" were passing HIV to each other.


The fucking hypocrisy...

Fucking hypocrites.

[Masa the Masta]

The thing about porn is that they don't pay your average joe blow, but then again, I've seen butt ass ugly people in pornography.

At least in porn, chances are the girl you're fucking is hot and devoid of STD's.

[Shadowknight]

first of all, prostitution is THE oldest profession on the planet
I've never really bought that. I figure the oldest profession on the planet was hunting. The art of survival was around a long time before trading goods and or services for sexual congress.

[Darkblade]

without sex, there would be no hunters :)

[Shadowknight]

Ah, but sex is sex, sex being traded as a form of currency is something different.

[FireWolf238]

the laws on being able to sue individuals has been laughable at best for a long time.

I once suggested we have a "Common Sense" law to protect against idiotic and frivolous lawsuits like this. This particular case would sound something like this:

Judge: "Ok, your case?"
Prostitute: "I feel the GTA video game is going to promote someone murdering or raping me at work."
Judge: "And what is your occupation?"
Prostitute: "Prostitution."
Judge: "Do the defendants have any pre-trial statements to issue?"
Defendant: "Your honor.. *shrugs* Common sense.."
*Judge bangs the gavel*
Judge: "Case closed"

That would have been an especially nice law to have when that person sued for coffee being too hot.. its just common sense..

I wonder if I could stick a fork in a light socket and then sue the energy companies because *gasp* THERE WAS ELECTRICITY IN THAT HOLE IN MY WALL!!
there has been a proposition by Bush for a law of such kind because all those bullshit cases hurt companies with all the court time they have to finance. obviosly congress who gets it's money from lobbists who have close ties with trial atternies didn't pass that law. it was initiated from the wave of bs cases like the one's against McDonald's "i have eaten in MC all my life and now i have high cholasterol, i demend money"

[Decade]

I can only see this being talked about on the daily show...

"The case in which prostitutes wanting to ban the video game 'Grand Theft Auto' has been postponed for a few days with a requested change in location for the actual trial. The reasoning for this is the mass heckling from numerous men standing in front of the courthouse in a rainbow of different colored fur coats demanding 'BITCH you got my money??'"

[sedatedmonkey]

Actually, prostitution is legal in ALL of Nevada. Just thought I would point that out!

But yeah, it's a fucking stupid argument. It probably has something to do with the reason they're all prostitutes to begin with.


EXCEPT Las Vegas. (and within certain distances of schools and churches)

[sedatedmonkey]

No.

Make it legal so we can get rid of abusive pimps, have them regularly checked for STDs, recieve free condoms, and tax their income. Also to enable them more protection in their profession.

*clap* *clap*

Hear hear! Of course, nothing wrong with charging a little extra to the clients for the condoms. (negating tax dollars used for such)

Nothing like having much ado about a business that has been going on since before moses was born unto this world. This subject pre-dates any person who has ever posted on this message board. (unless your name is caine, and you can prove that you were the first one. fake teeth do NOT count.)

Regulated, taxed, inspected, controlled. The proper way to do anything that brings in income.

Was this covered in the Sarbanes-Oxley act?

[Digital Masta]

EXCEPT Las Vegas. (and within certain distances of schools and churches)

yeah man I said that like a page back.


About the whole GTA thing...since when do we care about what prostitutes think because according to Peter Griffin they aren't real people anyway.










For all those who took me seriously...that was a joke

[Pierrot le Fou]

Why does everyone assume that prostitutes must be disease-dripping dirty women? Have you ever considered that there are plenty of perfectly clean whores out there, a majority of who take VERY good care of their body because it's their business and don't fuck everyone who tosses a little money at them?

[Decade]

I'm waiting for crack dealers to try and sue Rockstar games for the promotion of murder and rape of drug dealers.


And then watching Dave Chappelle get enough material for another 3 seasons.

[Renter]

Sex workers cry foul, say game "accrues points to players for the depiction of rape and murder of prostitutes."

I never managed to find a prostitute in GTA:SA. I pimped them, though, and you'd think that would be good -- you drive your girls around in a fancy car and protect them when someone's trying to ditch without paying or trying to beat them up.

I had what, five girlfriends, though. *g* Lessee, the hoodgirl, the petite oriental martial arts babe (who loved it when you did stunts with a car, lol), the cop, the rich girl, paint shop owner, aaand I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting someone.

Maybe I should play that game again, maybe actually finish it this time.

[Shadowknight]

Girlfriends in GTA:SA
1. Cop
2. Nurse
3. Ghetto girl
4. Car repair shop
5. Millie - S&M girl/works in a casino

[ManiacLove]

Even your so called Jesus was involved with a prostitute.


Actually Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute. She was introduced after the story of a prostitute with the same. The church officially apologized for this misunderstanding in 1969.

Back to subject...

I agree with Roxie. I think it should be legalised. I think it will be better for the prostitutes themselves.

As far as the Louis Vuitton bags, I think PLF was referring to Enjo Kosai. (Which is spreading over here mighty fast, I hear.)

[Pierrot le Fou]

(Enjo Kosai being 'compensated dating' or somesuch, which is essentially bartering for sex)

[Roxie]

Why does everyone assume that prostitutes must be disease-dripping dirty women? Have you ever considered that there are plenty of perfectly clean whores out there, a majority of who take VERY good care of their body because it's their business and don't fuck everyone who tosses a little money at them?
Yes, tell that to your cracked-up pimp after you didn't make enough money for the night. I'm sure he'll understand.

It's not about them being dirty, but the johns as well. Keeping everyone healthy and clean is the issue.

[tamachan]

Prostitution is legal in Australia. The customer goes to an establishment pays his set price for the hour and what happens in the room stays in the room. They have credit card facilities small licensed bars inside them and a major chain of them were going to list on the stock exchange. The services rendered to the customer are entirely the business of the 2 parties concerned in the room. The ladies get 40% of the fee and are taxed in their wage brackets. Some prostitutes earn $200 000 a year after tax. Marijuana is decriminalised in some states in which its legal to smoke it privately but illegal to sell it and in the ACT you can cultivate up to 3 plants for personal use. If youre caught selling it you go to jail in any quantities even 1 cigarette.

I hate when people say it is "legal" in Holland because its not really. You can sell it but youre not allowed to import it. The cafe's pay their tax but dont have reciepts from their suppliers for that business expense. This is a grey area because they sell dope from all parts of the world. So in essense they have imported it. It has nothing to do with the law just the way its acted on by the police and authorities. Under the law there they could arrest every cafe owner there if they wanted to on tax or conspiracy to import/import charges but they just dont. They keep it this way to catch the big importers and to close it all down if there was a backlash by the public without having to draft new laws.

To that dutch poster the marijuana laws have caused alot of problems with the border towns there with your lax laws with people going there and making dickheads of themselves from germany belgium etc. Also they tried it with harder drugs and it was a disaster! All the druggos from around the world came there for cheap smack and died in the streets. You also have the biggest problems in Europe in regards to human sex slaves from eastern europe. Policing is too lax and poor woman are suffering because its just too relaxed. Ive been there and its not a positive thing as its a magnet for organised criminal gangs making huge dollars.

[Decade]

Everyones talking about how prostitution should be legalized, ok, fine. But the real issue of the thread is people complaining about a VIDEO GAME making their ILLEGAL work unsafe.


Not only do I find this ridiculous, but if they're gonna argue that, why dont they go after other stuff too? Like Family Guy? They showed the abuse of hookers a few times (or at least making fun of them, VERY well I might add). They showed the death of a stripper once (the episode where Peter became the President of a Tobacco company), but thats open to interpretation as to how that counts. But hey, if you see that from a videogame, where they DONT actually show the rape of hookers or actual murder of them (they only allow you to beat and kill random women on the street but never actually call them hookers when you do it), then why NOT make the argument?

Man, this whole case just reeks of bullshit.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Yes, tell that to your cracked-up pimp after you didn't make enough money for the night. I'm sure he'll understand.

It's not about them being dirty, but the johns as well. Keeping everyone healthy and clean is the issue.
So to recap, Roxie, all whores have cracked-out pimps waiting for their money? There is absolutely no chance that a whore could actually be a clean and safe person.

[Digital Masta]

So to recap, Roxie, all whores have cracked-out pimps waiting for their money? There is absolutely no chance that a whore could actually be a clean and safe person.

and also pimp free....some don't have pimps

[Renter]

Girlfriends in GTA:SA
1. Cop
2. Nurse
3. Ghetto girl
4. Car repair shop
5. Millie - S&M girl/works in a casino

You forgot the rich girl. You know, the one you have to be fat to date. She has a retreat in the mountains, the cool wired car, molotov coctails and a chainsaw in her stash.

[Roxie]

So to recap, Roxie, all whores have cracked-out pimps waiting for their money? There is absolutely no chance that a whore could actually be a clean and safe person.
I'm sorry, can you point out the part where I said that? Quote me, please I'd love to see it. Or you could quote the part where I said something completely different. But you won't, so let me help you out.

It's not about them being dirty, but the johns as well. Keeping everyone healthy and clean is the issue.

It's Amazing!

[Pierrot le Fou]

Why does everyone assume that prostitutes must be disease-dripping dirty women? Have you ever considered that there are plenty of perfectly clean whores out there, a majority of who take VERY good care of their body because it's their business and don't fuck everyone who tosses a little money at them?

Yes, tell that to your cracked-up pimp after you didn't make enough money for the night. I'm sure he'll understand.

It's not about them being dirty, but the johns as well. Keeping everyone healthy and clean is the issue.

Pretty clear-cut to me. I state that not all whores are dirty, and that some respect their bodies as it's what makes them money, and destroying it would remove their revenue source. Your response? Tell that to their cracked-out pimp who wants more money.

Not all whores have pimps. Not all pimps are cracked out. Believe it or not, there is a large prostitution industry that revolves around more than just 'getting another fix' or whatnot. And plenty of it is the work of women without a pimp.

And rather than stating that this could be the case, you state that even if the woman isn't diseased, then there's a good chance the men who visit them are. Swell. Way to entirely miss the point of my statement.

[Roxie]

Actually, I state it's about keeping everyone healthy.

The majority of prostitutes do have pimps. A majorit of pimps abuse thier prostitutes and charge money from them. A majority of both pimps & prostitutes use illegal substences. You don't become a prostitute because you respect your body.

I've seen it and I've heard it.

[Shadowknight]

Roxie: Could you please stop posting everything in pink? It makes it hard to read your comments.

[Roxie]

No, I can't, as I'm not posting in pink.

[Crowley]

No, I can't, as I'm not posting in pink.

Tomato, tomato. It's still annoying.

[Pierrot le Fou]

So Roxie, you're an international authority on prostitution all of a sudden? You've been from the bordering-on-slavery brothels of Indonesia to the high-class whores of Washington DC? You've concluded that a majority of all whores all use substances, don't take care of themselves, and have drug abusing pimps?

Golly gee, how could I ever doubt you?

It's only, if you had some way of proving it, like statistics, or at least something beyond "I've seen it" because, as silly as this sounds, the anecdotal evidence of one girl (you) doesn't really seem to mean much to me in the grand scheme of things. Hell, I'm no prostitution conaisseur or anything either, but I've at least seen prostitution in the US, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, and Korea. That's a bit more of a range of experience than you.

So where do you get this cockamamied notion that you are the all-knowing Goddess of the sex trade?

[Masa the Masta]

cockamamied


You never cease to amaze me with the kind of words that come out of your keyboard.


As for prostitutes, I could care less. Even if we make laws in order to prohibit it, they're still going to exist, either in the form of pornography, or illegal prostitution. I just find it funny that they'd speak out against Grand Theft Auto. If for some reason, the number of prostitutes that have been murdered mysteriously shot up significantly since the release of GTA, then they could have an argument.

[Decade]

Amen hermano.

On an unrelated note, more and more children feel the need to hit police officers with bats across america. Police blame that damn MTV

[Roxie]

So Roxie, you're an international authority on prostitution all of a sudden? You've been from the bordering-on-slavery brothels of Indonesia to the high-class whores of Washington DC? You've concluded that a majority of all whores all use substances, don't take care of themselves, and have drug abusing pimps?

Golly gee, how could I ever doubt you?

It's only, if you had some way of proving it, like statistics, or at least something beyond "I've seen it" because, as silly as this sounds, the anecdotal evidence of one girl (you) doesn't really seem to mean much to me in the grand scheme of things. Hell, I'm no prostitution conaisseur or anything either, but I've at least seen prostitution in the US, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, and Korea. That's a bit more of a range of experience than you.

So where do you get this cockamamied notion that you are the all-knowing Goddess of the sex trade?

Firstly, I never said anything about the international sex trade, so I'd apperciate if you'd stick to the subject.

And if you're so experienced, where are your stats? You're just saying the same exact thing I said, only you've seen & heard it in different places. Which, in your own words would make it silly anecdotal evidence of one boy who doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Nice way to not address my arguement and completely skip over the point that I'm concerned about everyone's health, b/c it doesn't just affect protitutes and their johns, but the johns wives or g/f's. I'm also concerned about the emlination of pimps (as well as some johns) b/c as I've seen & heard they almost always are emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive.

Previous research on women who engaged in prostitution has found a high rate of drug abuse among this population (Kuhns, Heide, & Silverman, 1992; El-Bassel et al., 1997; Nadon, Koverola, & Schludermann, 1998; Potterat, Rothenberg, Muth, Darrow, & Phillips-Plummer, 1998). Among the reasons for women entering into prostitution, drug addiction itself is one of the main explanations given by researchers (Weeks, Grier, Romero-Daza, & PuglisiVasquez, 1998; Kuhns, et al; Gossop, Powis, Griffiths, & Strang, 1994). Prostitution may be the only means with which to finance a drug habit for many drug-abusing women who often lack education and skills, which often leads to the entrapment of women who prostitute in this sex-for-drugs lifestyle (Gossop et al.). (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3733/is_200010/ai_n8906396)

Click on the quotes for the links

and

A pimp may beat up a disobedient prostitute in the presence
of other prostitutes.(16) He
may threaten to disclose that she is a prostitute to
others in order to insure her obedience.(17) He
may also threaten to leave her or to harm her, her children
or her other family members.(18)

A pimp will subject a woman to emotional abuse by calling
her derogatory names. He dehumanizes her by making her
into a commodity.(19) He
tells her she's "only good for one thing." One
pimp, for example, sent a letter to his woman from prison
referring to her as "his little slot-machine."(20) This
type of emotional abuse is compounded by the fact that
it occurs within an environment of total emotional deprivation.(21) Pimps
deprive prostituted women of nurturing, affection, and
ordinary developmental support. The restrictions put
on a woman by a pimp impedes the normal development of
self-expression and the recognition of an autonomous
identity. (http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/prostitution_research/000018.html#FOOTNOTE%2015)
I propose we make prostitution in the US legal to prevent the dangers associated with it, b/c it is not going away and ignoring it is only endangering society as a whole.

[Decade]

Roxie could you please at least use a darker pink for text? It's so light and difficult to read.


For an update, pimps continue to demand their money. Prostitutes blame GTA

[Roxie]

1. It's not Pink, it's plum, a shade of purple
2. No, any darker would make it hard to read for me.
3. This is the color the mod & I agreed on.

But I am open to suggestions that would look good on black and white forum skins.

[Decade]

Blacks pretty good, cant mess with proven goodness

[Roxie]

black doesn't work on the black forum skin.

[Decade]

Use gray then, not to racist in either aspect.

[Roxie]

Use gray then, not to racist in either aspect.
:boggled: Uh....I don't think that's racist.

Gray
Dim Gray
Slate Gray


Slate Gray it is.

[Decade]

Hey, that dim gray is sexy :clap: I really like that one :D

[Roxie]

Nah, too dim on black backgroud....what about teal?

Ohh, teal works real well.

[Decade]

YEA! Actually, that teal is even sexier! Use that!! :D :D :D

[marycatherine]

I think I'd like to input my two cents, although I'm really just agreeing with a lot of other posts.
If prostitution were made legal, it'd help the prostitues stay clean. They'd get taxed on their income like everyone else in a legal profession. And heck, people would know where to go to get some if that's all they want. I think it's a lot better to just say "hey, I want some sex" than trying to get with someone who might not be aware of the intentions.
As for pot. A few of my friends have started smoking quite a bit in the past year, and I can't really say I like them more for it. They've become boring and all they do over the weekends is smoke pot. They hardly ever leave their apartment. But at least they aren't really bothering anyone. They could be out being loud drunks or causing other kinds of trouble. Instead, they sit and watch tv, cook and play video games while they're high (and they discuss philosophies of life...or so they say).

Making it legal all of a sudden for a country with this many people (the US) might make some guys and gals go nuts for a while, but some people like me wouldn't really care either way. And then after a couple of years when people get used to the idea that they can smoke and have sex on a whim if they've got the $, the hype will die down and it'll be fairly normal. The lack of STD's, being able to grow and smoke your own weed...it'd prolly make some people really happy.

I've always been of the opinion that if something is illegal, it has more appeal. "ooooh, it's illegal, I wonder why? maybe we should try it and see what the big deal is!" Granted, the most illegal thing I've done is be around people smokin' pot and drinking before I was 21. Either way, when my parents didn't want me to do something, I had this crazy urge to do it. Most of the time I was able to do anything and I didn't really do anything bad...because they didn't care if I did it or not.

I guess that's just me. I'm sure there are other people out there with similar views.

Mary Catherine

[Roxie]

Teal it is.

Cool MYC

[Pierrot le Fou]

Roxie, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

The assumption that a prostitute has zero choice in who they screw is silly. A prostitute can refuse clients if they so feel the desire. And I would make the wild and crazy assumption that most freelance prostitutes regularly do as much, most likely because they're higher class, and aren't being told by a pimp that they have to bring home the bacon or else.
Post #34

Why does everyone assume that prostitutes must be disease-dripping dirty women? Have you ever considered that there are plenty of perfectly clean whores out there, a majority of who take VERY good care of their body because it's their business and don't fuck everyone who tosses a little money at them?
Post #58

Not all whores have pimps. Not all pimps are cracked out. Believe it or not, there is a large prostitution industry that revolves around more than just 'getting another fix' or whatnot. And plenty of it is the work of women without a pimp.

And rather than stating that this could be the case, you state that even if the woman isn't diseased, then there's a good chance the men who visit them are. Swell. Way to entirely miss the point of my statement.
Post #71

Is it THAT hard for you to concede that being a whore is not synonymous with spreading disease, being addicted to a substance, and being physically/mentally abused?

Gennifer Flowers (Clinton's ol' Mistress) was a whore. She sold her body for a whole boatload of cash. She did not accept any old Joe off the street who offered money. She didn't do it to get another hit of crack. This proves my point that not all whores are disease-infected drug addicts being abused by pimps.

Having prostitution be illegal is part of the reason that these problems exist. Since there is no system in place to allow these women to work in the open (and therefore garner protection through the law), they are forced to work in unsavory conditions much of the time, and rely on a pimp for protection since the police would rather arrest them then follow up on a rape claim or somesuch that they made.

You are confusing cause and effect, and making assumptions that go well beyond the scope of the information you have. Just like proper information on drug use, it's hard to get proper information on prostitution, because it's a crime which makes it difficult to collect accurate samples of the occupation and whatnot.