Full metal alchemist movie: Humoncalie?

[Decade]

I know I probably didnt spell it right (bah), but I been thinking about the movie.

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If you watched the series, you know how a humanculous is made. Since at the very beginning you see the mad scientist do a human transmutation, it implies that there is ANOTHER humanculous we havent seen yet.


Then there's another I'm confused about: 400 years ago when hoenhiem first made the philosopher's stone, at least one humanculous had to been made at that time too, anybody know which one it was?


another quesiton, if a humanculous is transmutated, is something created? We see Wrath do it all the time in the series, and then we see envy, gluttony and wrath all transmutated in this one. I wonder.

[Your Biggest Fan]

i havent seen that movie. i saw the conqueror of shanbala and the entire serie(which end is horrible) when Hohenheim made the phylosopher stone, a homonculi was not created but when he tried to transmute the body of his son then envy was created.

No, Wrath can use transmutation and can trasnmute his body. Envy, sloth, lust can transmute their bodies too. but they cant use transmutation circles.

Gluttony is the only one that doesnt have info about his creation. Pride was created by dante but no one knows how.

[Azrael]

According to the anime at least, Homunculus are made when someone tries to resurrect someone who has died. The result comes out all disfigured and not even human-looking. They can be brought to "normalcy" with red rocks.

I believe Wrath was special because Izumi tried to put him back through the gate...and then he came out himself with Ed's arm and leg. Which is why he could transmute things, but the other Homunculi couldn't.

[Artie]

Yeah, Wrath had Ed's limbs, which gave him the ability to transmute.

[Decade]

Ah, so it has to be when someone brings somebody back to life. That makes sense actually because if that werent the case, even by making a chimera a homunculus should be made.


But, if that's the case, is it possible that when hoenhiem and dante used the philosophers stone to put the other in another body a homunculus was made? Say, the first time it was used on Hoenhiem? And if not, possible when Al was transmuteted to the armor? One could argue that the armor IS the homunculous, but it's always a possibility.

Also, Envy is a transmutation of one of hoenhiem's sons?! When did they reveal this? I know he thought of him as a father, but I totally missed that!

[Azrael]

No, Homunculus are the failed attempts of human resurrection brought to fruition by red rocks. Remember that hideous pile that Ed and Al made when they tried to resurrect their mother? That eventually became Sloth. They can't be made accidentally by some other transmutation.

And it was revealed later in the series that Envy was created by a failed human transmutation from Hoenheim. Lust was, apparently, the wife of Scar's brother. We never found out who Pride (King Bradley), Greed, and Gluttony came from, but Pride and Greed at least had parts of their old selves around somewhere.

Does anyone read the manga? It's pretty different from the anime...and better I think.

[Decade]

It wouldnt surprise me that the manga is better than the anime (most written works usually are in comparisson to a tv or movie version).

I think they said Greed was made 130 years ago? Or was he SEALED a 130 years ago? It makes a big difference.

So lets list what we know about the humoncolus already

Warth: Izumi's Son

Lust: Scar's brothers wife (anyone else catch that in the movie she (or was that the original woman) was with Scar instead of Scar's brother?)

Envy: Failed human transmutation from Hoenhiem (since you read the manga, do you know if they ever showed this in it? I would love to know the background story of each of them)

Sloth: Ed and Al's Mother resurrection attempt.

Greed: Created at LEAST 130 years ago (remains still around)

Gluttony: Unknown (did we ever get a mention of his original remains?)

Pride: Unknown (remains still around)


Of course it's still possible for the creators to make up new homunculus if they want to make sequels and stuff, but I really wonder about it.


Also, I'm wondering about the ending of the FMA series into the movie: If Ed got back his arm and leg, but then gave his entire body to bring back Al, why is his arm and leg still gone in the other world? I think the ending of the series still confuses me all together with how Ed was able to bring back Al with his body, and how Al was able to bring Ed back to life with his arm and leg (do they actually know now how to resurect the dead, their original goal, now?).

All in all, I found this a fascinating story, full of tragedy and drama. It really does make you think about how everything does work on a system of equivalent exchange.

[Artie]

No, Homunculus are the failed attempts of human resurrection brought to fruition by red rocks. Remember that hideous pile that Ed and Al made when they tried to resurrect their mother? That eventually became Sloth. They can't be made accidentally by some other transmutation.

And it was revealed later in the series that Envy was created by a failed human transmutation from Hoenheim. Lust was, apparently, the wife of Scar's brother. We never found out who Pride (King Bradley), Greed, and Gluttony came from, but Pride and Greed at least had parts of their old selves around somewhere.

Does anyone read the manga? It's pretty different from the anime...and better I think.

I am starting to, and I like it more too (but the anime is still great).

Did you catch the movie? I did, I liked it.

[Shishio]

Does anyone read the manga? It's pretty different from the anime...and better I think.

I do.

I do not watch much anime, but I am a voracious reader of manga. The Fullmetal Alchemist manga is quite good and interesting.

[Azrael]

Envy: Failed human transmutation from Hoenhiem (since you read the manga, do you know if they ever showed this in it? I would love to know the background story of each of them)
Actually, it doesn't work that way in the manga.


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The Homunculus in the manga are NOT failed human transmutation attempts. It seems that they are just created by "The Master". But they aren't linked to any one who previously died, and as such don't have that weakness they did in the anime. Lust and Scar aren't even remotely connected. Envy isn't one of Hohenheim's old sons. Izumi's failed transmutation does NOT come back. Wrath is King Bradley. We've heard Pride, but haven't seen him (?) yet. We've seen Sloth in all of one panel - apparently he's "working" on something. He isn't Ed and Al's mom.

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I did see the movie. It was pretty good.

I like the anime as well, it's just amazing how different the manga and anime are turning out. As I understand it, the anime caught up with the manga about halfway through - instead of creating filler arcs the animators just went in a different direction and finished the story themselves.

[Decade]

Really? I think you're convincing a non-comic/manga reader to try the FMA one out. You're in Japan though, do you know if the manga hit stateside yet?

[Artie]

The manga is slowly, but steadily making it.

Also, isn't the reason for the direction change because the FMA manga only comes out once a month (and that my friends, makes great quality art work).

Also, it's "Homunculi" :)

[Zaysho]

No, Homunculus are the failed attempts of human resurrection brought to fruition by red rocks. Remember that hideous pile that Ed and Al made when they tried to resurrect their mother? That eventually became Sloth. They can't be made accidentally by some other transmutation.

And it was revealed later in the series that Envy was created by a failed human transmutation from Hoenheim. Lust was, apparently, the wife of Scar's brother. We never found out who Pride (King Bradley), Greed, and Gluttony came from, but Pride and Greed at least had parts of their old selves around somewhere.

Does anyone read the manga? It's pretty different from the anime...and better I think.

I recently started reading the comic version. It's good in some parts, but personally I prefer the cartoon version. It certainly is different from the anime. They sorta stick together in the beginning and then go in totally different directions soon after. I've currently read volumes 1 and 2.

Yeah, I think Dante mentions something about Envy was supposed to be Hohenheim's "treasured child" or some such and that's apparently why Envy hates him so much, since he was unloved.

EDIT: Does anyone know what the last episode's title is? I've read several titles. One site says "Munich 1921" while another says "Death Pt.2" or no title at all. Adult Swim lists the title as "Laws and Promises" though. I was wondering, is there an actual title for that episode?

[crow-kun]

I would have liked the anime more if there weren't so many sob storys and the fact that they made Greed die like a bitch pissed me off.

[sEvInDeAdLySiNs]

I would have liked the anime more if there weren't so many sob storys and the fact that they made Greed die like a bitch pissed me off.

I must agree...Greed is by far the coolest dude

maybe its because he really isnt as much evil as just doing his own damn thing

[crow-kun]

If you haven't seen Greed's death in the manga it's pretty badass, a death worthy of Greed-sama.

[Decade]

Actually, come to think of it, How DID Wrath (in the anime) Open the gate back up to come back? My understanding of opening the gate right now means that you need to do a human transmutation to do it, but then again, didnt we see the Al saw the gate just by touching Ed? I'm still confused on a lot of things.

Also, my memory's a little fuzzy, why did the mad scientist transmute those bodies in the movie? Was it to bring them to life to fight them, or was he trying to merge it with the U-bomb, or something else? I cant remember, but I actually wish they made it that he was trying to revive them to make them fight, it would leave room for a possible new character in a possible sequel

[Artie]

Wrath came out when Ed opened the gate.

[Decade]

So he was on the island for years then? I thought he only got the arm and leg when he tried to ressurect his mom and bring Al back, but he didnt get out of the gate for a while. At least, isnt that what he said?

[Artie]

I don't understand what you're trying to ask me, could you re-phrase it?

[Shamu]

Ummm...Spoilerific? Although there are enough other spoilers in this thread, I think I'm ok...
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I always thought that Envy was Hoenhiem and Dante's child that he tried to bring back and that Greed was created by Dante somehow (I'd have to go back and watch the last part of the series, but I think it's mentioned in ep 48?).
I haven't seen the movies yet, but I can't wait to! The series leaves so many unanswered questions. I think that Ed doesn't have his automail arm and his leg on the other side of the gate because the "other Ed" died when he was hit by the bomb/plane/whatever the first time Ed went to the other side and met up with his dad there. Remember he was in another body then because he had all his limbs in tact.
I read the manga also (although, I'm alittle behind on the chapters. It's been a few months since I've read them). They should be up to chapter 54 or 55 now in Japan (I think) and Volume 5 is out here in the US already. I really like both the manga and the anime. The manga has some characters in it that are really cool, that don't appear in the anime though.
My mom loves the anime! She has a little Hughs figure that she keeps in the kitchen, since he's her favorite. She still gets mad that he was killed off :P

[Artie]

Shamu- You are correct about envy ... however, I don't think they ever told us how Greed came to be.

Also, the movie is great. I won't spoil but two words: fucking Gluttony.

Also, LOL at how they killed off Lust in the manga. Pure greatness.

[Azrael]

I have the 12th volume of the manga, which goes up to chapter 49. I guess the chapters come out in the weekly installments, but it's much easier to just buy and read the volume. Ultimately cheaper too.

A few manga vs anime stuffs....

It was kind of odd that in the anime, Roy Mustang was the one who killed Winry's parents. I felt it gave the character a bit more depth, but it was still an odd thing to deal with. He also seems to have more of a big brotherly/look out for Ed complex in the anime than he does in the manga.

Barry the Chopper/66 was wasted in the anime, but he came back to play an important role in the manga. Also, I liked the Maria Ross conspiracy story.

Finding out that King Bradley was Wrath in the manga was SO MUCH COOLER than it was in the anime. He singlehandedly DEVASTATED Greed's entire camp.

[Decade]

Do the homunculai have the same abilities in the manga as they do in the anime?

What exactly WAS Pride's power in the anime? Yea, he was fuehrer, but what was his actual ABILITY?

[crow-kun]

They pretty much do have the same powers in the manga and anime with the exception of anime Wrath they just made his up. I believe Bradly's eye had the power of foresight or some sort of tracing ability in both the anime and the manga. I remember in a funny omake he use his ultimate eye to figure out Marthels (the snake lady) measurements.

[Radiance]

I had a very long post that I scrapped when looking for details that I was having a hard time remembering. I came across a wikipedia page that does a very good job not only explaining the story of the homunculi but shows you the difference between the anime story and the manga story. (Warning, link contains major spoilers about the series and movie.)

Homunculi of Fullmetal Alchemist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculi_of_Fullmetal_Alchemist)

[crow-kun]

The one thing I don't like about that wikipedia entry is that they compare the anime's humunculi to the manga's as if the anime came first. That just pissed me off to no end.

[DarkFire168]

So he was on the island for years then? I thought he only got the arm and leg when he tried to ressurect his mom and bring Al back, but he didnt get out of the gate for a while. At least, isnt that what he said?

Yes, basically. He was stuck in the gate before Ed opened it again to try and resurrect his mom because Izumi used her kids body for the transmutation. When Ed offered up his ended up giving his arm and leg to Wrath in-gate, Wrath got yoinked out and dropped off at the island. So basically:

Izumi creates Wrath, who gets stuck in the gate because his own body was used as the transmutation material.
Ed tries to resurrect his mother, but fails and ends up losing his arm and leg.
Wrath takes the arm and leg and is somehow brought out on the island, possibly because he transmuted himself there.

[sEvInDeAdLySiNs]

Yes, basically. He was stuck in the gate before Ed opened it again to try and resurrect his mom because Izumi used her kids body for the transmutation. When Ed offered up his ended up giving his arm and leg to Wrath in-gate, Wrath got yoinked out and dropped off at the island. So basically:

Izumi creates Wrath, who gets stuck in the gate because his own body was used as the transmutation material.
Ed tries to resurrect his mother, but fails and ends up losing his arm and leg.
Wrath takes the arm and leg and is somehow brought out on the island, possibly because he transmuted himself there.

Yeah...that makes sense...i still think that they should have explained things more (i watched the movie BTW)

i am going to read the mangas soon (i had 1-6 for months but never got to read them)