Video of American Troops Beating Iraqi Childrean

[eyez0nme]

http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx

Apparently these kids were throwing rocks and 'make shift' gernades at the soldiers.

And that's how they retailated. The Iraqi Cameraman is fucking hilarious; it's as if he wanted to tape the beatings, so he could spread it around the world, and see just how fucked up we are.

[General_Failure]

Those aren't american troops, those are brits. The camo isn't ours, and the guns aren't ours either >.>

[Zonehunter1]

*Don't expect an answer back........

England is already having trouble with abuse reports in Iraq and i really haven't heard anything about soldiers attacking children. So i'm going to say the video is false until i see some story on it.

[General_Failure]

Um, the video looks pretty damn real if you ask me, and we have british troop at this base currently, they wear the SAME shit, so lets see... Brits, not americans

[c-rex]

I'm filled with a sense of outrage! How could our soliders do something like this? They need to choke up on the damn bats. Our troops deserve the finest batons money can buy so they won't strain themselves when kicking some Muslim ass.

Having said that prove to me they are America. I see dudes in camo pening up cans of whoop ass, but you can't forget Poland!

*those people are lucky that they didn't run afoul of my cousin's unit, it would not have been pretty*

[eyez0nme]

Those aren't american troops, those are brits. The camo isn't ours, and the guns aren't ours either >.>

Does it matter? What would've the Americans done in a situation like this?

I'm pretty sure they would've fired into the crowd, massacring the children.

[Zonehunter1]

Now that was uncalled for..
What makes you think that all american soldiers would do such a thing?

[General_Failure]

*blinks*

You hurt my head

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/PCphotos/misc/0000x7ry1.jpg

[c-rex]

Hey why have intelligent discussion on the Iraq war when you can scream and yell about how American troops would kill every Iraq given the chance.

Nevermind that they havn't done it anytime over the past year.

For bonus points note that the video is watermarked with a British show and the mocking voice is British.

[General_Failure]

I didn't even notice that o.o

[Vic_Rattlehead]

http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx



That's frigging disgusting. I think the cameraman screaming and enjoying it, made it so much worse. Just what kind of people sign up in the army?

[General_Failure]

That's frigging disgusting. I think the cameraman screaming and enjoying it, made it so much worse. Just what kind of people sign up in the army?


Easy to figure out

Look at the people who WANT to get shot at.

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

I'm going to say this even at the risk of sounding like a conservative freedomist.

Okay.

You really hate America don't you you freaking twit?

[Star Market]

This video made the evening news last night, and here's (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/13/iraq.beatings/index.html) a story about it from CNN. They are British troops.

Does it matter? What would've the Americans done in a situation like this?

I'm pretty sure they would've fired into the crowd, massacring the children.

Ah...I love people like you :bored: . Our guys are nowhere to be seen, minding their own business, being good soldiers, but the Brits do something stupid and you want to drag our troops into it. This sentiment reminds me of what happened after the Tsunami in 2004, when one of the European ministers said, "Well, if you Americans paid more in taxes, then you could have given more money in aid!" Basically, people who drag America into a situation when a completely different country does something stupid or when something occurs beyond America's control yet it is to be blamed or made to look bad annoy me to no end (read: YOU). We've got enough of our own baggage from situations that we do directly control. But now you want to toss us Britain's carry-on.

If you honestly believe that our troops would have fired at a crowd because some kids were throwing rocks at them, then you are very ignorant of the way our troops are trained. Bad things happen when troops aren't trained (Abu Ghraib), or haven't had enough training, so that the heat of the situation takes control over their good sense (My Lai). But speaking from personal experience (read: I work for Uncle Sam), in a hostile or stressful situation you react the way you're trained. If you think our troops are trained to fire into a crowd because some kids are throwing rocks at them, you are sadly mistaken.

[Praetorian]

That was horrible. Each and every one of those soldiers involved should be given a dishonourable discharged and put in jail for a couple of months.

They weren't just mildly beating them up either. I feel horrible having watched that video, knowing things like this happens in the world.

No wonder the the arabian world hates us when videos like these are spread around - and probably far more of them playing over there to as propaganda.

Those kids weren't exactly innocent, but those soldiers didn't do what they were trained to do.

[MrQ]

http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx

Apparently these kids were throwing rocks and 'make shift' gernades at the soldiers.

And that's how they retailated. The Iraqi Cameraman is fucking hilarious; it's as if he wanted to tape the beatings, so he could spread it around the world, and see just how fucked up we are.


How about posting the hordes of videos sent to Al Jazeera with beheadings, mutilations, etc. See if a new perspective comes to mind.

Of course I am not condoning bad behavior by us or our allies but its comical to me that as soon as we have a few screw ups out of a hundred thousand people its widely criticized and publicized. Yet these fanatics do unimaginable things to innocents and soldiers alike and glorify the videos but I never see these posted as front page news or even hinted at on here. HMMM.

[Praetorian]

Of course I am not condoning bad behavior by us or our allies but its comical to me that as soon as we have a few screw ups out of a hundred thousand people its widely criticized and publicized. Yet these fanatics do unimaginable things to innocents and soldiers alike and glorify the videos but I never see these posted as front page news or even hinted at on here. HMMM.

Perhaps because people expect (like they rightfully should) differently from civilised nations such as ourselves.

If we want nations to respect the west, shouldn't the civilised nations give the right example and be responsible?

[MrQ]

Perhaps because people expect (like they rightfully should) differently from civilised nations such as ourselves.

If we want nations to respect the west, shouldn't the civilised nations give the right example and be responsible?

Uh.. you calling middle eastern countries savages???

Obviously we are different then most nations and I said I am not condoning bad behavior. My point in this, try to understand it because I believe it is very valid.

By and large our forces do great things with a few bad apples. Yet, all we see are negatives in the news. When there is a rare abuse case on video, its widely publicized etc. Yet, EVERYDAY Al Jazeera gets videos by our enemies doing atrocious things to us and our allies and yet this NEVER make news or even comes up anymore. Its a serious problem I think that should be addressed.

[Praetorian]

Uh.. you calling middle eastern countries savages???

No. Please point out where I said that.

I called our nations civilised, like we like to think we are. Actions such as these however point out that our society (or at least military) isn't as civilised as many of us would like it to be, and this will reflect to the rest of the world.


By and large our forces do great things with a few bad apples. Yet, all we see are negatives in the news. When there is a rare abuse case on video, its widely publicized etc. Yet, EVERYDAY Al Jazeera gets videos by our enemies doing atrocious things to us and our allies and yet this NEVER make news or even comes up anymore. Its a serious problem I think that should be addressed.

I can't speak for your news - however, our news definitely publishes such issues. It makes me wheep for humanity every time I see something like that. This video however, is no exception to that.

[Tekdude]

American News is kind of a joke these days. They'll spend weeks covering a missing blond white girl, yet a few short minutes on anything in Iraq. The only time that isn't true is in times like this. Why? Ratings... It's simple, yet sad at the same time. The general American populace is so incredibly ignorant and narrow minded. I live on a college campus, and I find it hard to believe sometimes at how supposedly educated mature individuals think some times. They have no critical thinking skills, and in any sort of discussion, will merely recite some pundit's lines. These are the people that news corporations must cater to. After all, they must be profitable for the investors.

[rush]

Does it matter? What would've the Americans done in a situation like this?

I'm pretty sure they would've fired into the crowd, massacring the children.

If they ever do, I hope you're in the crowd.

[Angelyne]

Woot! Another anti-American flamewar! We certainly don't have enough of these around here!

American News is kind of a joke these days. They'll spend weeks covering a missing blond white girl, yet a few short minutes on anything in Iraq. The only time that isn't true is in times like this. Why? Ratings... It's simple, yet sad at the same time. The general American populace is so incredibly ignorant and narrow minded. I live on a college campus, and I find it hard to believe sometimes at how supposedly educated mature individuals think some times. They have no critical thinking skills, and in any sort of discussion, will merely recite some pundit's lines. These are the people that news corporations must cater to. After all, they must be profitable for the investors.

While I agree that most American "news" is a joke these days, the BBC isn't exactly covering this, either. You'd think they'd have a bit more interest in running this since the soldiers involved were British. The BBC also hasn't been afraid of criticizing the war, unlike the major American news outlets. The fact that this isn't being covered *anywhere* really makes me doubt how accurate this video is.

And knowing the types of misinformation eyez0nme tends to spread around these boards, it's best to take any of his links with a grain of salt.

[Jerith]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=1081&&&edition=1&ttl=20060214005848
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4708866.stm

I didnt have any problem finding some coverage on this by the BBC, other than you have to make sure you are loading the UK version, not the International version.

[Overkongen]

They attack soldiers and don't get shot at? Those kids should be very very thankful.

[Mechs]

I say anyone that has the balls to throw rocks at a armed soldier and get caught needs to have his ass beat. I mean it's not liked they died or anything. They just got the beating of a lifetime :D.

[FireWolf238]

heck, iraquis should be very thankfull that JAG exists and that i'm not there. i'm not saying that i would have masecred those kids, but they were attacking an armed force, and a normal armed force returns fire when it gets attacked. i would however make sure that people will quickly learn that the amrican army is not a bunch of brainless wimps that the middle east so often deems us to be (too often i have to agree with them on this)

[B RoCkS1010]

i bet those kids are going to be the next suicide bombers and why you ask? all because of this beating they recieved. i mean shit thye shouldnt throw rocks at them but they shouldnt be beating kids like that i can understand if they fired shots up in the air to get them to go away but chasing them down then draging them back to beat them? that aint right at all.

[rush]

Punishment was a bit extreme, but honestly, throwing rocks at armed personal takes a special kind of retarded.

[Angelyne]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=1081&&&edition=1&ttl=20060214005848
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4708866.stm

I didnt have any problem finding some coverage on this by the BBC, other than you have to make sure you are loading the UK version, not the International version.

Funny how the BBC mentions that this story came from a tabloid. :rofl:

In any case, look at the context of the beatings:

On Monday, meanwhile, BBC News programmes showed footage of a street disturbance minutes before the alleged assaults.

Looks like there's more to this video than what meets the eye.

They should be lucky they only got a beating--most people who attack soliders end up shot and/or dead.

[sedatedmonkey]

Punishment was a bit extreme, but honestly, throwing rocks at armed personal takes a special kind of retarded.


clearly. After all, without US support 20 years ago, those would be Iranian troops beating the kids... sorry, they would be shooting those kids.

If you throw a rock at my head, i'm gonna kancho you... with a broomstick.

[DragoonPlatoon]

Hey, I am an avid reader of OP9, and read the forums occasionally, but never found the occasion to actually contribute in any way! But this video did the trick.

Firstly, I do not have sufficient background knowledge on the uniforms of the American army to confirm whether or not the beating was actually done by American troops. Really, the only thing that is pointing in that direction is a few people claiming that it is, but without sufficient evidence one way or the other, there is really no way to tell.

My gut tells me its not the americans, mostly because I do not believe what people tell me is true on the internet 99 out of 100 times. Basically, the first post of this thread reads: "ZOMG, heres a video of some muslim looking people in a desert area getting the shit kicked out of them by people in army fatigues." Nothing else in that post had or has any basis in fact, so that is what I take out of it.

And if it was us Americans, then I do believe that sometimes it can be hard to keep morale up with the kind of abuse that is directed at american soldiers on a day to day basis. Its not hard to imagine that one day the constant stream of "I hate americans!" propanda, as well as a feeling that the local populace is largely ungrateful for the work that you are putting in to help them would eventually boil over into some sort of "incident". While they might not be just in their beatings, whoever the perps are, I can definetly sympathise with them.

See how long you can take large amounts of death threats, car bombs, rocks, and near misses before you kick the shit out of someone, and make sure you do it before condemning our troops.

[sedatedmonkey]

Hey, I am an avid reader of OP9, and read the forums occasionally, but never found the occasion to actually contribute in any way! But this video did the trick.

Firstly, I do not have sufficient background knowledge on the uniforms of the American army to confirm whether or not the beating was actually done by American troops. Really, the only thing that is pointing in that direction is a few people claiming that it is, but without sufficient evidence one way or the other, there is really no way to tell.

My gut tells me its not the americans, mostly because I do not believe what people tell me is true on the internet 99 out of 100 times. Basically, the first post of this thread reads: "ZOMG, heres a video of some muslim looking people in a desert area getting the shit kicked out of them by people in army fatigues." Nothing else in that post had or has any basis in fact, so that is what I take out of it.

And if it was us Americans, then I do believe that sometimes it can be hard to keep morale up with the kind of abuse that is directed at american soldiers on a day to day basis. Its not hard to imagine that one day the constant stream of "I hate americans!" propanda, as well as a feeling that the local populace is largely ungrateful for the work that you are putting in to help them would eventually boil over into some sort of "incident". While they might not be just in their beatings, whoever the perps are, I can definetly sympathise with them.

See how long you can take large amounts of death threats, car bombs, rocks, and near misses before you kick the shit out of someone, and make sure you do it before condemning our troops.

It has been confirmed by every news agency in the area that it was UK troops. In fact, one soldier has already been identified for questioning. (if you believe the Clinton News Network)

[Masa the Masta]

It wasn't so much the beating that got me.


It was the sadistic fuck talking. :bang:

[DragoonPlatoon]

Ahh, well, there you go then. Yet another case of being correct by not believing what I read on the internet at first.

And ya, that creepy british guy talking in the background was freakin me out man.

[King Kong]

That was incredibly bizarre. Beating kids. What has the world come to?

[General_Admission]

http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx

Apparently these kids were throwing rocks and 'make shift' gernades at the soldiers.

And that's how they retailated. The Iraqi Cameraman is fucking hilarious; it's as if he wanted to tape the beatings, so he could spread it around the world, and see just how fucked up we are.

Despite being beaten they still aren't going down without a fight.

The kids got off pretty easy for attacking soldiers.

[King Kong]

Despite being beaten they still aren't going down without a fight.

The kids got off pretty easy for attacking soldiers.

I can't seem to watch the video, but from reading this, Im assuming the children were probably ugly and rat faced which would warrant a justification for beating them.
Otherwise, beating children is fucking lame and is not justified in anyway.

[Kusoyaro]

never mind

[akitaka]

@G_A: I agree with this, especially considering the counter-violence that's already been going on with both sides of the war. If it wasn't a beating, it could have been gun-fire "in defense", which is plausible. Crude explosives don't seem to be uncommon.

==
Despite this view I think that Praetorian is correct in needing to play a good example; counter-violence if better reserved until needed, otherwise it's easy to fall prey to the misconception (i.e. attacking a thief in self-defense) that Mr.Q mentioned. The media has a lot of bias, and so far, only the worst seems to have been displayed in this war.

But what other impression can you get, when you know the definition of "war"?

[darkmateria]

Jesus christ....why is anybody surprised that this sort of thing happens? Whether they're brits or yanks, it makes no difference.

These guys are soldiers...trained killers. So when a bunch of bastard kids throw makeshift grenades and rocks at them, after helping to get rid of a dictator is it any wonder they lost thier rag a wee bit?

Not to mention the constant stress that these guys are under from the constant threat of snipers, bomb attacks and ambushes. So oh no! We'll just send our troops to a part of the world where everybody hates us, and not provide them with any counseling on dealing with the stresses of it all and crucify them when the snap under pressure.

The beatings are pretty brutal though, and I'd say that the video is being taken by another soldier (is that the muzzle of some sort of cannon I can see at the start?).

I do think these guys should be court martialed though...headbutting one kid, and then kicking another in the groin while he's laying down? That's just sadisitic.

[Spaatz965]

Here's another perspective to keep in mind (and I am not defending what was captured in that video).

When gearing up for the first gulf war (I was in a Civil Affairs unit and expected to interact with both civilians and enemy prisoners of war), we went through some classes on Arab culture. I don't have the references on this, and am only going off my recollection of information presented 15 years ago...

Standing up to someone obviously stronger than you, and getting away with it, is a HUGE deal in Arab culture. The David and Goliath story is seriously taken to heart. There are a lot of historical background for it, including the old raiding culture. It is doubled when Islamic teachings hold that a Martyr can expect 72 virgins to attend him in heaven.

So...take a mob of individuals with this cultural bias. Let them violently act out. Instead of responding directly with violence, just turn the other cheek...what will happen. Will that be a demonstration of civilization? Or, will it be a demonstration of impotence that will embolden and fuel further and escalating attacks?

I betchya the grunt on the ground has a general sense of this, even if he doesn't have the class room training behind it.

This is one of the reasons we have so much trouble in the middle east. It's a catch-22. If you react, you're the bully on the block enforcing your will on the huddled masses. If you don't react, you're an impotent big guy ripe for being attacked.

[Darkblade]

The tape includes what sounds like a running commentary of approval from the cameraman. (a corporal). "Oh yes! Oh yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys!" the narrator can be heard saying as the blows land. "Die! Ha, ha!"

that should have been a hint and a half for your ass that theres more behind this story than just "soldiers beating children"

[Bob]

How about posting the hordes of videos sent to Al Jazeera with beheadings, mutilations, etc. See if a new perspective comes to mind.

Of course I am not condoning bad behavior by us or our allies but its comical to me that as soon as we have a few screw ups out of a hundred thousand people its widely criticized and publicized. Yet these fanatics do unimaginable things to innocents and soldiers alike and glorify the videos but I never see these posted as front page news or even hinted at on here. HMMM.

Muslim extremists behead soldiers that try to kill them, not teenagers that throw rocks at them you fucking idiot

[Zonehunter1]

What about that female reporter they have captive?
Did she try killing one of them?

[Bob]

What about that female reporter they have captive?
Did she try killing one of them?

She went to a warzone and tried to convert the natives to christianity. They should kill that stupid bitch out of principle

[ruaidhri]

People sure do love to hate, don’t they?

There’s an old saying that war is hell. Bad things happen. Otherwise good people do unimaginable things when stressed to the point common for soldiers in a war zone. Of course, that doesn’t excuse bad behavior, unless, of course, you’re on the winning side.

I believe all sides in a war commit atrocities. Look at what the allies did when they bombed Dresden, Germany in February, 1945.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm

Following a war, world courts only prosecute and punish the losers. The winners walk away and forever try to forget what they did to “win the war”.

War isn’t pretty. That’s one of the big reasons we shouldn’t be too hasty to rush into armed conflicts. Bad things will happen.

Now, to the question of the children. War is a combination of aggression and defense. When an army attacks it is what it needs to be, aggressive. When it’s enemy stops resisting the need for aggression and defense should end. When the soldiers captured the children they should have restrained them from committing further acts of violence against the troops. They would have been in their rights to detain them for prosecution and possible detention. They did not have the right to beat defenseless captives of any age. That’s just wrong. Which gets us back to my original point that people do unimaginable things when stressed to the point common for soldiers in a war zone.

[Jerith]

Upon hearing of this story, I thought that I better see the video myself so I'll have a proper informed view of the whole deal. So I wandered over to Ogrish (not for the weak stomached) and found the video. Their version has some footage of the MOB, not just the kids who were beaten, but the whole mob of about 200 people who were pelting the soldiers with debris. I saw NO grenades or explosions. The video was slightly edited and some was missing, but after the mob dispearses the video shows the soldiers hauling some kids back to a courtyard where they proceed to beat the kids.

Were the kids grabbed because they were directly targeted as thowing rocks, or were they randomly picked because they were not smart enough to run away? I can't answer that question, but it really makes me wonder if it was a deserved beating, or just punitive and revengefull on anyone they could get their hands on.

Any way you look at it, it brought disrespect upon the services and other soldiers who ARE doing a good job. And it certainly isn't a good way to win the hearts and minds of the citizens. What we need to see is them pulling kids into a courtyard, and giving them some candy bars or freash water or food...

I've also seen video from inside a american convoy where iraqi kids line the roads to hurl rocks at the americans, and the soldier who's driving complains about how they can't do anything to address the issue, except to replace the windshield weekly, and accept the behavior. I can understand what kind of stress and dissatifaction with their 'job' of trying to help the citizens could come out of this. But is the solution to beat the kids? Personally, I'd think that would be a way to guarentee that kids throw MORE rocks at anything that isn't iraqi owned.

Do I have any more points to put forward? Not really, but I just wanted to voice my opinion, and to hopefully clear up some mis-information about this situation. Some folks (myself included) will post without trying to learn all the details, or at least some of the established facts. Is there a way to edit the topic after its been posted?

Jer

[CRX driver]

Who cares? Those same kids'll be the same ones that grows up and kills your family members. Kill em before they can do it.

As a note, I don't hate em because of race/religion, I hate em because I know they'd try and kill me with no second thought, so fuck the towelheads.

[King Kong]

Those same kids'll be the same ones that grows up and kills your family members. Kill em before they can do it.

Whoa, dude you are so full of shite.

[General_Admission]

What we need to see is them pulling kids into a courtyard, and giving them some candy bars or freash water or food...

rofl

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[Jon885]

Even though as somebody else already pointed out this wasn't American troops this is still very unfortuneate. I wonder if any of the children were seriously injured.

[kiev33]

Muslim extremists behead soldiers that try to kill them, not teenagers that throw rocks at them you fucking idiot

Bullshit. How about the female reporter they are holding now, that I guarantee you will be beheaded. How about the civilian contractors who worked for the oil and shipping companies? Is that killing a soldier who tried to shoot them?

And about that, if I were over there now, and I knew a beheading was what I could expect, I'd damn sure shoot the bastard too.

[kiev33]

Bullshit. How about the female reporter they are holding now, that I guarantee you will be beheaded. How about the civilian contractors who worked for the oil and shipping companies? Is that killing a soldier who tried to shoot them?

And about that, if I were over there now, and I knew a beheading was what I could expect, I'd damn sure shoot the bastard too.


To further explain what I wrote in anger here, it seems that the "enemy" is more than willing to grab defenseless non-combatants, and snipe from far away, and generally act in a cowardly fashion, because they know they will be killed otherwise. However, none of this does anything to help their cause, and I can't beleive the general populace over there can possibly believe these people are "standing up" to America when they shoot a reporter, or kidnap a Christian woman doing charity work. It seems though, that far too many of these "allies" we have over there readily believe this and hate our guts. I am beginning to feel perhaps all of them deserve a beating.

[immi]

In my opinion, this is just one of a string of outrages associated with attempts to apply military solutions to political problems. It just doesn't work. The West, whether you believe us right or not, wants to oust totalitarian leaders for the benefit of the public. This in and of itself, seems a perfectly justifiable goal. But to the Iraqis, it just doesn't look that way. All they see is a bunch of aggressive soldiers beating protestors into submission in a violent attempt to impose alien Western values on a completely unwilling population.

Russia tries the same in its rogue republic of Chechnya, and historically the Americans tried it in Vietnam, where struggles against political and criminal activity become bloody wars of nationalism and religion, acting as a catalyst and a magnet for those with an axe to grind. In a vicious circle repeated across the Middle Eastern theatre, aggression breeds retaliation, breeds justification and more aggression.

The war now perpetuates itself.

I don't think we can say the West is right and the Iraqis are wrong, but we can't exactly argue the reverse either. You just end up getting so depressed, and wondering why any attempt to do good for another country becomes misinterpreted by its people, and misconstrued by the press, where the enemy is unseen, far away, only referred to in the Two Minutes' Hate and retold stories of barbarism. :box:

[conners]

Too bad their British. Otherwise I could claim one of them is my brother and razz him about it when he gets leave.

*I'm sure he has anger issues to work out, his Christmas/Tet wish list was for better boots, a camelback, and a working GPS Unit.

[Overkongen]

I'm gonna have to agree completely with Spaatz965. Then again, I'm from Denmark, the little country where the government tries to reason with imams, and they go out and agitate the masses, and then the government tries to reason with them, and you can see where this is going.

I'm ALL for being friendly in the beginning, and turning the other cheek, and so forth. However, if being friendly and forgiving isn't earning you any respect, and you need respect to not get threatened and attacked, I think we need to consider other ways of getting respect.

People might say "But they're children, they don't know that it's wrong!" Now, those kids on the video, they aren't toddlers, and if they don't know that throwing rocks and makeshift grenades at other people by now, I'd say they just might be a bit lacking in the empathy department. And if they don't consider the soldiers people, but rather enemies, well... If I threw a rock at my enemy, I'd very much be expecting a beating.

My view on these things? Try the dialogue option. If it fails, try it again. If that fails, try one more time. After that, maybe another. Once you're certain dialogue doesn't work, try the M-16 solution.

[Bob]

Bullshit. How about the female reporter they are holding now, that I guarantee you will be beheaded. How about the civilian contractors who worked for the oil and shipping companies? Is that killing a soldier who tried to shoot them?

And about that, if I were over there now, and I knew a beheading was what I could expect, I'd damn sure shoot the bastard too.

Ok, dickface. If iran invaded america and sent contractors to steal our resources what would you do?

[Kash]

Ok, dickface. If iran invaded america and sent contractors to steal our resources what would you do?


That's a tough question, but I can tell you a couple things I wouldn't do.

I wouldn't kidnap journalists, cut their heads off while they were alive, and post the video on the internet with about an hour of various lectures that have one point. Blame the jews.

[Mechs]

Ok, dickface. If iran invaded america and sent contractors to steal our resources what would you do?

What stealing of the resources? Have you heard of one report saying contractors are stealing from the Iraqis? Cause if they were stealing from them, you know the media would be all over it because they always have to report the bad shit that happens in Iraq. Man you really need to get your facts straight man :blank:.

[Phyphor]

Does it matter? What would've the Americans done in a situation like this?

I'm pretty sure they would've fired into the crowd, massacring the children.

Yes, because obviously, you have an excellent grasp of just how the USA runs it's ground wars.

By the way, might wanna duck, the pigs are flying awfully low today....

[Phyphor]

Muslim extremists behead soldiers that try to kill them, not teenagers that throw rocks at them you fucking idiot

Since the fuck when were those reporters and aid workers that have been cruelly beheaded been soldiers trying to kill them?

[kiev33]

Ok, dickface. If iran invaded america and sent contractors to steal our resources what would you do?

Excuse me, how did I get called this? I don't recall personaly insulting you, just questioning you. If Iran invaded America, I would be one of the first to go underground and start the Resistance, but I sure wouldn't start beheading women and civilians. Sounds liek you're trying to justify what they are doing as "right."

[DragoonPlatoon]

Ok, dickface. If iran invaded america and sent contractors to steal our resources what would you do?

Do you have some evidence to back up this claim? Give us some links to some specific news stories, perhaps. Or just keep your mouth shut.

As far as the beheadings go, there have been numerous instances of both soldiers and civilians being brutalized and beheaded, then recorded and posted on Al-Jazeera and such. While you are correct, the beheadings of soldiers would be fighting back against america, most of the civilians were either journalists or aid workers. Did Jill Carroll (http://news.google.com/news?q=jill+carroll&hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8) beat any Iraqi children, or "fire bullets into the crowd"? Jill Carroll is the only specific example I can recall at the moment, but there are many other cases of journalists being taken hostage and/or killed.

[Bob]

Do you have some evidence to back up this claim? Give us some links to some specific news stories, perhaps. Or just keep your mouth shut.

As far as the beheadings go, there have been numerous instances of both soldiers and civilians being brutalized and beheaded, then recorded and posted on Al-Jazeera and such. While you are correct, the beheadings of soldiers would be fighting back against america, most of the civilians were either journalists or aid workers. Did Jill Carroll (http://news.google.com/news?q=jill+carroll&hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8) beat any Iraqi children, or "fire bullets into the crowd"? Jill Carroll is the only specific example I can recall at the moment, but there are many other cases of journalists being taken hostage and/or killed.

To back up what story?

[General_Failure]

Yes, because obviously, you have an excellent grasp of just how the USA runs it's ground wars.

By the way, might wanna duck, the pigs are flying awfully low today....


I laughed pretty hard at this one, considering I work at Thunder here at nellis for the A-10's. All the guys here at the shop busted out laughing(since we are weapons troops, we are all very sick individuals with no morals except BLOW IT UP*cough*u.u)

It's so true XD


Honestly it would save everyone a shit load of money(IE tax payers from all countries that pay them) if we glass the place, doesn’t cost a shit load to fire one off, the David vs Goliath theory would be proven that David got owned, history was wrong, and there would be no need for us to stay over there, except to get fuel for all those idiots that drive SUV’s and other large assorted vehicles. But that would be the easy way, and not the moral way to do things, SO that being said all of our nations that are involved in this will sit around playing hide and shoot, everyone will get even more pissed off, and the whole thing starts over again and never accomplish anything except waste more fucking money, people, and resources, but I’m getting out of the military very soon and won’t have a care in the world for a bit except for school, and bitch about what the military isn’t doing and the presidents.

[Phyphor]

I laughed pretty hard at this one, considering I work at Thunder here at nellis for the A-10's. All the guys here at the shop busted out laughing(since we are weapons troops, we are all very sick individuals with no morals except BLOW IT UP*cough*u.u)

It's so true XD


Honestly it would save everyone a shit load of money(IE tax payers from all countries that pay them) if we glass the place, doesn’t cost a shit load to fire one off, the David vs Goliath theory would be proven that David got owned, history was wrong, and there would be no need for us to stay over there, except to get fuel for all those idiots that drive SUV’s and other large assorted vehicles. But that would be the easy way, and not the moral way to do things, SO that being said all of our nations that are involved in this will sit around playing hide and shoot, everyone will get even more pissed off, and the whole thing starts over again and never accomplish anything except waste more fucking money, people, and resources, but I’m getting out of the military very soon and won’t have a care in the world for a bit except for school, and bitch about what the military isn’t doing and the presidents.


Exactly. We could glaze the whole middle east with ease. Oh, it'd be political suicide, to be sure. But it's well within our reach.

However, we choose to fight in a manner that tries to minimize civilian casualties, kill as many of the terrorists/supporters as possible, and even respect their religion (Since Mosques and places like that can't be targeted w/o permission, hence, the BG's hiding inside them fairly often. )

But hey, I guess to people like Eyez, we're all just a bunch of evil genocidal fuckers who like nothing more than beating kids for fun, blowing up the rest of their people, and then nuking the rubble, right?

That's one thing I'm so damned sick of, the whole judgemental "THE USA IS IN TEH WRONG!" mentality that seems to float around the whole frickin' net. Hell, look at France. They take damned near every chance to bash us, while convieniently forgetting about that whole little tiff with southeast Asia.... Seems like we tried to clean up their mess back then.... They sure didn't have a problem killing civilians when it suited their purposes.


(Sorry, hadda rant a bit. )

[Rogue_7]

Exactly. We could glaze the whole middle east with ease. Oh, it'd be political suicide, to be sure. But it's well within our reach.

However, we choose to fight in a manner that tries to minimize civilian casualties, kill as many of the terrorists/supporters as possible, and even respect their religion (Since Mosques and places like that can't be targeted w/o permission, hence, the BG's hiding inside them fairly often. )

But hey, I guess to people like Eyez, we're all just a bunch of evil genocidal fuckers who like nothing more than beating kids for fun, blowing up the rest of their people, and then nuking the rubble, right?

That's one thing I'm so damned sick of, the whole judgemental "THE USA IS IN TEH WRONG!" mentality that seems to float around the whole frickin' net. Hell, look at France. They take damned near every chance to bash us, while convieniently forgetting about that whole little tiff with southeast Asia.... Seems like we tried to clean up their mess back then.... They sure didn't have a problem killing civilians when it suited their purposes.


(Sorry, hadda rant a bit. )


I wonder if I could get a t-shirt that says "I'm an evil genocidal fucker" and has an American Flag on the back.

But in all seriousness, thats the fun of being the big man on campus. All the little men want to be you, and hate you for it. They also second guess you to death.

[darkmateria]

To further explain what I wrote in anger here, it seems that the "enemy" is more than willing to grab defenseless non-combatants, and snipe from far away,

and....

and generally act in a cowardly fashion, because they know they will be killed otherwise

That's because there people believe that they are fighting a WAR. This isn't dueling pistols at dawn, it's club your enemy over the back of the head when he isn't expecting it.

In this instance....perhaps cowardly should be replaced with smart.

[Phlips79]

grab defenseless non-combatants, and snipe from far away

and...

perhaps cowardly should be replaced with smart.

Are you serious? You think that assaulting/killing/taking hostage non-combatants is a valid methodology of combat?

If that's your belief, then why claim outrage at some British soldiers beating some kids? I mean, that's not as bad as beheading non-combatant journalists, right?

[mamba]

It is part of the way terror works! it is not beat the militarty but scare the general populace. the kidnapping of the civies is more of an attack on the public of their home countries! it is in all defences a smart move, despite me not liking it, it is war, and as the wise man of the boards said, war is hell. remember the phrase all's fair in love and war. its basically saying, do what you need to do to win, and this is their strategy!

[Mechs]

and....



That's because there people believe that they are fighting a WAR. This isn't dueling pistols at dawn, it's club your enemy over the back of the head when he isn't expecting it.

In this instance....perhaps cowardly should be replaced with smart.

It's not a war their fighting, its a insurgency. Bit of a difference there. And it is cowardly and definitely not smart. The insurgents are fighting a highly trained, highly motivated, professional army that outnumbers and outguns them in every possible way. Does that sound smart to you? And they fight the U.S. military.....by blowing up their own people......sounds real brave to me :rolleyes:.