Wiki down or blocked?

[yao_yao]

Could someone (outside of China) check adn see if Wiki is still up? If not, the Great Firewall has risen again.

[kyaa the catlord]

Down! Down!

Must be the raving Islamists.

[Idlethought]

It's working for me. It's just really really slow

[Zonehunter1]

Thier servers must be extremely taxed.

[Vic_Rattlehead]

Could someone (outside of China) check adn see if Wiki is still up? If not, the Great Firewall has risen again.


Looks fine to me. Is there anything from Wikipedia you need pasting at all?

EDIT - got this from Wikipedia
Status

As of February 13, 2006, the block has not yet been lifted. There has been a trickle of Mainland China reporting that they are able to get through to Wikipedia normally; for the most part, however, users from Mainland China have been forced to use a proxy or some other circumventing technique in order to read and edit Wikipedia. Many sysops and other users from Mainland China have remained very active on Wikipedia using these means [3].

[Frankey-eh]

yao_yao: did you know, in addition to wiki, google's also censored? Like you look up tiananmen square on google.com versus google.cn, you get different images. That's the little experiment a person back from Microsoft in Beijing showed us.

[Vic_Rattlehead]

That's similar to Google Video being blocked in Germany

[NERD]

yao_yao: did you know, in addition to wiki, google's also censored? Like you look up tiananmen square on google.com versus google.cn, you get different images. That's the little experiment a person back from Microsoft in Beijing showed us.

Google has been under fire for supposedly cutting a deal with the Chinese government, that in exchange letting Google operating in China, Google will block out sensitive informations requested to be blocked by the Chinese government:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm

That's what you are referring to, I believe. Google has been facing some serious criticisms, especially since this news came after Google refused to cooperate for the US Justice Department.

As a fan of Google who has been using them ever since they went online somewhere in '99, I gotta say I'm disappointed with their decision to comply for the Chinese censorship.

Free Tibet!

[Citizen]

I gotta say I'm disappointed with their decision to comply for the Chinese censorship.

A little bit of Google is better than none at all. If they didn't comply, the Chinese government would probably do all they could to block the site. It's not their fault that the Chinese are being dicks. And a website can't fight a country (especially one that they aren't even based in), so there's not much else they can do.

[NERD]

That is true, and while I understand that, I guess I'm a bit sad to see my little search engine to be a big corporate entity making deals with China. I still remember the day I was telling people to try out Google, because it was the best search engine nobody ever heard of.

[Citizen]

I remember when I first found it as well. One day I got to school and all the default search engines had been switched to Google. So of course I shunned it and went to Yahoo, thinking that Google was some lameass school thing.

[paul]

Free Tibet!

What? Tibet is free as can be! as a part of china, so is taiwan :) Everyone's happy yay! :china: ;)

Anyhow, google's made a good corporate decision as far as I'm concerned, there's business opportunity in china like you wouldn't believe :)

Anyway I don't agree with censorship over small things like tiananmen, I believe this from wiki sums it up pretty well:

Growing up with little memory of Tiananmen and no memory of the Cultural Revolution, but with a full appreciation of the rising prosperity and international influence of the PRC as well as the difficulties that Russia has had since the end of the Cold War, many Chinese no longer consider immediate political liberalization to be wise, preferring to see slow stepwise democratization instead.
I was born in '88

[Angelyne]

Google has been censoring information for years now. (http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/google/) [This (http://www.sethf.com/anticensorware/general/google-censorship.php) is a little less wordy].

Kind of silly to get upset about them censoring in a Communist country, when they have been using the same exact practice in countries with far more lenient free speech laws :rolleyes:

[yao_yao]

China's on-off blocked Google alot... and in a way I DO believe that the automatic censoring of their Chinese search engine is a good idea... prevents China from grabbing information about their users, like Yahoo caved to China's pressure and gave info about a guy's email and put him in jail.

Yea, France and German googles have auto-blocks against Nazi info. But the US server is unblocked... I can go and search up Tianamen or Dalai Lama..... but the sites will be blocked.

[akitaka]

If Vic's quote was correct, couldn't you use a proxy to get into wiki/google at free will?