On the subject of sterilyzation

[Anubis Nine]

Read this thoroughly before calling me a Nazi please. >.> I get that too often,

I believe that there should be basic emotional and mental tests required of everyone to have the privilege (not the right) to procreate.

There are a lot of reasons why. Firstly, well, in the shortest. There are too many humans on the planet anyway. Unfortunately, the countries that have the money to implement this here idea don't really have population issues. So though it's a moot point, it's still a point.

In the world in my head where this would happen, the test that people would go through, would not be hard, it would be made by a panel of psychiatrists and it would have been made based on that person’s province/state/region. It wouldn’t be hard like I said, it would be basic questions that would unearth deeper psychological roots in the answer. Things that would basically screen out people who are going to:

Emotionally abuse their children,
That are basically crazy,
That will not be able to rear their children emotionally,

People that would in effect make the lives of their children hell because they were stupid enough to bear kids.

This would also mean that a number of my friends would never have been born.

I have known one girl who’s mother abused her verbally and humiliated her for most of her life because she had a plethora of psychological problems. I’ve known a girl that was told she was fat all her life by her parents and hasn’t been hugged since she was six years old, and other than that, wealthy.

These things which could have been avoided through an emotional/mental testing of the would be parents.

Now: That all stated, I know it’s a slippery slope and would be too easy to abuse. I know that it would result in harder tests and the idea that the poor can’t have children and all that stuff. That it could extend to you and I, or that it’s basically a degradation. And that the only people that can decide if a person should not have had kids is their child. But a wish is a wish.

Basically, it’s a theoretical idea/wish that will never really be recognized. Because I’m an eighteen year old girl with aspirations to be a massage therapist rather than a dictator.

[Collapse]

I suppose (this being from my assumption, so it could be absolutely wrong but I don't care anyway) that Vancouver's really, rather open-ended right now, so all human rights.

Yet on the subject of sterilization, or from what you wrote, diagnostic screening, tests usually don't prove something to people, that is, on some part. People are indeed different and they have their own experiences that shape their right or wrong. And the fact that the world is moving towards a single entity yet upholding the concept of multiculturalism is definitely hard.

What am I saying?


What I'm trying to get at is that even with tests, you can't hold these people back. Like you or a lot of people who have their own vision of the world should be, it offers diversity, both good and bad. Once again, many assume like me that tests hopefully be good.

And too many people on the planet, I just refer to Dr. Suzuki's article about negative growth. A lot of countries have tried controlled population. What does Canada need right now?

And we have only 32 million people here.

I need sleep.

[Anubis Nine]

It's not really diagnostic screening, it's emotional testing, on an emotional level,

To see if you're going to call the cops on their kids screaming that they're trying to posess them, to see if you're going to call your (not overweight but pudgy) daughter fat all her life.

To see if you have an emotional capacity to raise children.

[Lea]

I see what you mean, but how can you stop people from getting pregnant? If she's pregnant and takes this test only to find out she will be a bad mother, is her child taken from her? I'm going to guess that most kids are "surprises" anyway.

[Kusoyaro]

I really wish i could agree. I mean, i DO agree in a sense, because A LOT of problems would go away with this. however, and this is a huge but ( :blank: ), without abusive parents, people who don't know how to rear properly, and such, the world wi=ould become rather bopring.
Here's how: It is the abused children, the emotionally deprived and insulated and stifled people, the ones whose natural tendencies are hammered down in that japanese way, that become the greatest world changers. Abuse is almost a NECCESITY in artists. As artists, writers, they've ALL suffered. And I don't mean in that vague general sense that most people suffer. this is extremely revealing, and I don't like showing my true colours, but I'm fucked-up. I've had Problems in my past. And this helps me in my daily ventures. My philosphies and beliefs are extremist because I become the antithesis to what i was raised to become. And only when you go too far will people listen. A realist is never a good leader, but the idealist will drag people at least an inch. Progress is made by those so motivated by making sure other people won't feel pain that they'll inflict pain on the inducers. Shit, this is so wayne.
anyway, people who are defective, in any way, spice up life. if you deny people having children, that is, REALLY, telling them they have no right to life itself, for the primary goal OF LIFE, is to procreate. If you're NOT ALLOWED, then that goes against human rights and freedoms. This happened in India a few years back, they just grabbed almost a 100 million men and sterilized them, and gave them radios. They didn't even know wtf was happening. China probably did the same thing, they just wouldn't tell.
Shit, i got so off topic. Sorry.

[mawande]

I know it's a wish. It's a wish that people who would be bad, abusive parents, would not end up raising children.

[Invictus]

Indeed. In the hypothetical case that you could hypothetically enact this, it immediately devolves into special-interest tyranny. Who decides what the standard is? You? Pardon me, but you're not really in the best position to make that kind of judgment. Psychologists? Half the time they need more help than their patients (my grandmother is a psychologist, so I ought to know). "Good parents?" Well, who decides who's a good parent and who's not? Who defines emotional abuse? Some folks think spanking children scars them emotionally. I happen to think it's a darn fine way of obtaining discipline in a household.

Also, people change. I know some folks who were positively evil in their younger years, but straightened out and are now fine upstanding citizens. I also know people who were as clean-cut as a Mormon missionary and are now positive dregs of society whom I wouldn't trust near any children. The test might be a good indicator of who is presently stable enough to have children, but there's no way to predict whether that would remain constant.

Even if tests did exist that could accurate tell whether someone would be a "good" parent or not by universal standards, the probable result would be some massive special-interest muddle attempting to mold society into having kids who are raised to pay their taxes (the IRS lobby), have no religion (atheist lobby), drive Chevys (the General Motors lobby), use Compaqs (the HP lobby), drink obsessively (the Anheuser-Busch lobby), burn factories (the extreme environmental lobby), and adore Brad Pitt (the Hollywood lobby). And if you don't find that image scary, perhaps you should think about whether you'd be a suitable parent. *grin*

Basically, the only way your wish is workable is if God steps down out of Heaven and decrees that from now on all people unsuitable to be parents will be born sterile. :P

EDIT: Kusoyaro, you make a spectacularly awesome point. *bows*

[Tensei]

Anyone else having flash backs of "1984"? Big brother is watching. :sarcasm:

[MeneerDijk]

Sometimes i think some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids, but in reality i think there is no way sterilisation is feasable. Like said before: who sets the standard? And sometimes it isnt possible to see in advance if people will have the emotional capacity to raise children. What are you gonna screen on then? Income? Genetics?

I think we as a society should take more responsability when we see children getting burdened with their parents problems. Most people simply look away and think: it's not my problem, or i dont want to mess things up, suppose i'm wrong? It should be easier for people to get information on how to act if you suspect child abuse.

[CNagy]

Kusoyaro: An artist need not be fucked up to be a good artist. Suffering will make of an average writer a good writer, of a good writer a great writer, and of a great writer a legend.

I make this point only because I am tired of the whole "artists have issues" misconception. There are thousands of talented writers and artists who don't have a fucked up past, and they are no less legitimate than those who do.

[MNJetter]

I was going to say the same thing yesterday, but was too tired. The opinion is seconded, though.