Chikan

[GundamSaviour]

Ive, been reading stuff about these groups of dudes in japan, who get on Subway carts, and molest women. I mean, ive read articles about these dudes, they range from, Fathers, buissnesmen, even those monk dudes, weird, anyways ive been doing research on these guys, and seem to me that they're pretty extensive and stuff, and actually pretty well coordinated.LOL i even saw this video, where they surrounded two poor women, ill leave the rest of that stuff up to your imagination. anyways, if you guys happen to have any information on CHIKAN. and stuff like that, please contact me! thanks

[nice gaijin]

other than it's sexual predation and they all are pathetic, I don't have much to say on it.

Why are you so interested in chikan, and "stuff like that"? do you get your rocks off on this shit?

[GundamSaviour]

lol, no, but my friends and i think its hilarious that they have groups like that

[Masa the Masta]

lol, no, but my friends and i think its hilarious that they have groups like that

Because you know, rape is funny! :clap:

[Pernai]

EDIT: ^ Beat me to the punch.

Meh... I know it's Japan, but surely *that* isn't a standard of entertainment.

(WARNING: Generalisation ahead.) Though when you think about it, it's amazingly ironic that a nation of women without much body definition would be so plagued by middle-aged guys trying to grope them. It seems that this thing would be more common elsewhere, though I suppose population density and law enforcement has something to do with it.

Either way, I still don't find molestation of any sort to be "hilarious". Pathetic and sickening, but not at all amusing.

[GundamSaviour]

eh, when we first heard of "Chikan" we thought it was simply a bunch of old dudes ass grabbing women on sub ways, well obviously its much more then that, sorry if i offended anyone.

[Azrael]

Of all the women I know and have met in Japan, I can't think of a single one who wasn't a victim of chikan when she was a JHS/SHS student. Some of them got it every single day.

Amazingly enough, it seems to stop once they get out of high school.

[PopCulturePooka]

My girlfriend was in college and got groped on the train once.

Which started my long and passionate hatred of most Japanese men.

[Masa the Masta]

Amazingly enough, it seems to stop once they get out of high school.

Is it really amazing, considering the lolicon image most critics of Japan have painted? :blank: But hey, if you were REALLY a sexual deviant, I guess it means there's plenty of meat left as far as older, mature 20 year old women go. Given however, that they're tainted meat at this point.

[tona]

No wonder public transportation is so popular in Japan...

...All jokes aside, this kind of thing REALLY sucks. Is there any major action going against this? Like, in the US when something massive like this has been happening, angry mothers start campaigns against it. Nothing like that happens there?

[Xenotrauma]

The closest thing I've heard to "action" is putting up big warning signs where the situation is worst, and the super-rare women only car... that aside it seems like pickpockets in Italy: sucks, but just so common and tough to deal with that there's not much TO do.

[General_Admission]

I don't understand why women don't slap the guys who touch them. Why don't they slap them or use a taser? Haha...little Japanese girl tasering some old perv. Gold! :yes:

[bbqtatsujin]

One time late at night 3 guys were eyeballing some poor girl. She was obviously uncomfortable and it looked like things might escalate.

Gaijin Smash.

[CoolMod]

When I was in Fukuoka...down in Tenjin Eki, I saw this:

http://www.cmaylo.com/alex/chikan.JPG


My fellow students and I started laughing while everyone else looked at us in a strange way...

[akitaka]

^very cool sign. There should have been a german suplex somewhere in there, though.

Any words on how a cop handles defenders who go ape-shit on chikans? I'm thinking KO punches, groin kicks, wrist-sprains...because in honesty, there isn't enough fear in the hearts of these guys to NOT act in the way that they do.
In the end, though, we all know that if the girls do nothing about it, they only give power to the mysoginy.

[TLab3000]

I don't get it either. Bit of a conversation with a Japanese 20 years old woman:
Her: What happens when someone does chikan here (Germany) on the tram?
Me: The guy will get slapped, real hard.
Her: Really? Women are strong here.
Me: Not all. Some might cry for help, and people around would help her directly. Or at least call the police. Guess people in Japan would do the same.
Her: No, I don't think they would.
Me: Why? And if they don't you'd have to defend yourself and slap the guy.
Her: I couldn't do that.
Me: Why?
Her: ....hm... because... this one time, a girl got chikan and she slapped that guy and yelled at him... but the other people in the subway didn't see that she got chikan and stared at her... it was so embarrasing to her...

Did that clear up things to me? Not really :(

Anyway, you might know this sign already, but I think it's hilarious:
http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=grope-tourists.jpg&category=Signs/Posters&date=2005-04-15

[Lisa M]

I would have no qualms about slapping a guy who did chikan.

Unfortunately, I'm not flexible enough anymore to do a proper suplex, but I think a crotch throw could be just as effective.

[Uska]

Any words on how a cop handles defenders who go ape-shit on chikans? I'm thinking KO punches, groin kicks, wrist-sprains...because in honesty, there isn't enough fear in the hearts of these guys to NOT act in the way that they do.


I do wonder that too. I mean, especially as a gaijin. Would YOU get arrested for hitting or insulting a chikan ans saving a girl, because you're gaijin and they assumed you were just picking a fight with an old perverted fart?

[Suneru]

Did that clear up things to me? Not really :(

No, It's a good point. Women being too shy to speak out really makes many of the problems worse.

I once had a class with 10 women(this happens sometimes in English conversation schools). Anyways out of the 10 women 8 had been groped at some point, some of them more than once. The other two had been flashed, along with 4 other women. (out of a group of 10 men how many have been a chikan.....)
When I asked what they did, not a single one had called for help or fought back. They just gave him dirty looks or asked him to stop.

A friend of mine told me that when she was 13 someone offered her money for sex on the platform in a busy station. She said she just ran away.

These dudes are everywhere, but they get away with it here in Japan. The other thing is it's mostly the 22-32 year old males. They got no money, no girl friend, no life, all they got is a really stressful job and a long commute. Chikans are not only the old men like most people think.

[paul]

I do wonder that too. I mean, especially as a gaijin. Would YOU get arrested for hitting or insulting a chikan ans saving a girl, because you're gaijin and they assumed you were just picking a fight with an old perverted fart?

Judging on the reactions of these girls, the girl probably would resent you herself, for causing a scene.

I personally think a more effective solution would be like, mace or something XD.
like "chikan mace", and if they complain about being maced, everyone knows he's a perv anyway.

[Uska]

Judging on the reactions of these girls, the girl probably would resent you herself, for causing a scene.


That is true. I know if it were a Puerto Rican woman she'd be slapping the shit out of him while yelling "HELP! IM DEFENSELESS!". lol

[jindojim]

Hmm...is the OP going to become a professional chikan or something? It's such unnecessary information...heh

I think the thing women are supposed to do is just yell out "CHIKAN!". I guess the most women do tho is just give them angry looks or tell them to stop it. No mace, no slaps, no German suplexes (no room to do it anyway on the crowded train). I hate chikan anyway.

[Azrael]

Unfortunately, most of the time the girl has no idea who did it. On a truly crowded train, you'll all packed in like sardines...there's just no way to tell who did what.

So a girl can say she got chikaned to the police, but then unless she has the guy who did it, and can prove that he did it, all she gets from the police is a "Well, sucks, sorry..." And it doesn't seem to be something the police are campaigning hard against.

Of course, most women just kind of grin and bear it, cause the whole process of reporting the chikan in itself is probably too embarrasing. This is a country where women don't even report rape.

How do you fix it? It's gonna take a little more than women-only train cars.

[Uska]

How do you fix it? It's gonna take a little more than women-only train cars.

Good question....but what if you like help her out, be a witness or something?

[Suneru]

But the women-only trains are a step in the right direction. Well temporarily at least.

It'll take a really profound change in people's thinking to stop this problem. As you know Japanese people are never fast about changing their way of thinking.

The police are lazy. The "chikan wa hanzai" (groping is a crime) posters are pointless. Everyone knows that. Filing a police report is HELL. So let the women grin and bear it, Japanese men don't seem to mind. I think only westerners get upset about this.

[Azrael]

You probably didn't see it either. Trust me on this, on really crowded trains you're already molesting someone by default - it's just a matter of which guy raised his hand for a bit more.

I've heard some girls put a scheme into play - one girl claims chikan (regardless of whether the guy actually did it or not) and some other girls (supposedly random train riders - but they are actually her colleagues) claim to have witnessed it. They then extort the guy for money in exchange for not dragging him to the police box.

What I meant though about fixing the chikan, is that Japan's going to have to find a way to create a society where men don't want to do that.

[Uska]

boob toys(kinda like those flesh light thingies)?

[h2orowe]

I say.... we form a group of Merry Gaijin... and patrol around the public transit system... if we witness any sexual mischief.... or molestation.... we punch the fella right in the nose!!!
Seriously, though, that's pathetic..... -.- Japan needs help big time when it comes to these things..
Someone on the forum said their head of police said "If you get raped, try and enjoy it." or something like that.... How seriously fucked up does your country have to be... to have a police guy important..thingy.. to say that?

[Henjin]

It hurts to hear about stuff like that. Really does.
(I mean the situation in general, not that quote. Can't be really sure on the authenticity of an out of context quote posted on a message board.)

[tona]

Haha, yeah, we could be the Tokyo Gaijin Angels. We'll all wear red berets and fight for public safety.

[Masa the Masta]

I call dibs as Charlie.

"Hello girls." "Hello Masa! <3"

It'd be great. :cop:

[GundamSaviour]

Heres the thing though, some of you guys say"why dont they call out for help? or just bitch slap the dudes? well the thing is, Chikan, they operate in fairly large groups, usuall tey track a womans movements when shes traveling about, once they get a sense of her schedule, they then get a sizable group of Chikan , once they get on the Transport, they Isolate the poor woman, By huddeling around her. so even if she calls out, the other dudes can say that they saw nothing wrong going on. so it kinda sucks, these guys dont work alone when serious about it. that and they pick on the more "timid" females".

[GundamSaviour]

[QUOTE=jimmyjindo]Hmm...is the OP going to become a professional chikan or something? It's such unnecessary information...heh

LOL me? a professional Chikan?, Lmao thats a killer. anyways, id be too busy playing Zelda, rather then getting on a Subway cart full of sweaty,(and sometimes perverted) group of people.

[PopCulturePooka]

Heres the thing though, some of you guys say"why dont they call out for help? or just bitch slap the dudes? well the thing is, Chikan, they operate in fairly large groups, usuall tey track a womans movements when shes traveling about, once they get a sense of her schedule, they then get a sizable group of Chikan , once they get on the Transport, they Isolate the poor woman, By huddeling around her. so even if she calls out, the other dudes can say that they saw nothing wrong going on. so it kinda sucks, these guys dont work alone when serious about it. that and they pick on the more "timid" females".
Thats a newer phenonoma.
Most chikan and lone operators.

Get your facts right, for the win.


Anyway while I was living in Japan I had heard that some chicks were getting braver about confronting chikan. The most obvious thing to do is grab the offending hand and hold it up in the air. Other commuters will help trace the arm back to its owner.

A groovy trick I'd heard was girls on some of the worst lines (eg the Odakyu) carrying long thin sewing needles. When they feel an offending hand, jab the hand with a needle and scream chikan. Its pretty obvious who the fucker is, the guy with the bleeding hand.

[GundamSaviour]

[QUOTE=PopCulturePooka]Thats a newer phenonoma.
Most chikan and lone operators.

Get your facts right, for the win.

LOL, then why have brotheroods? anyways, your right, for the most part, Chikan Work alone, but there are groups whp operate as larger units, usually there is more then one target, usually two.

and wait, when did this turn into a thing where i had to win? im only stating what ive read.

some people love competition eh? a little too much

[paul]

Someone on the forum said their head of police said "If you get raped, try and enjoy it." or something like that.... How seriously fucked up does your country have to be... to have a police guy important..thingy.. to say that?

I guess I can kind of understand it. It really depends on the intentions of the policeman when he said it. Its forgivable if he meant "There is really not much we can do about it, the citizens don't really care and we rarely get to catch anyone, so if you do get into an unescapable situation, try to get into that mindset, so it wouldn't scar you mentally forever (as much) and you won't get hurt/killed."

It could mean something similar to, if someone holds you at gunpoint and asks you for your wallet, give it to them without a fight.

[GundamSaviour]

I guess I can kind of understand it. It really depends on the intentions of the policeman when he said it. Its forgivable if he meant "There is really not much we can do about it, the citizens don't really care and we rarely get to catch anyone, so if you do get into an unescapable situation, try to get into that mindset, so it wouldn't scar you mentally forever (as much) and you won't get hurt/killed."

It could mean something similar to, if someone holds you at gunpoint and asks you for your wallet, give it to them without a fight.


Man that sucks, when you think about it, you would figure that things like Chikan, would be more common here, in the US, i mean, we are the most Sexually repressed country on the planet. But over in japan, Sex doesnt seem to be a big deal, so it doesnt make sense why Guys would do this?(oh there have been reports of Women Chikan, but i guess thats a bit more enjoyable, i think, ihope the Female Chikan arent.. you know, homly) DONT BLAME THE ANIME!!!!!!!! Blame the MTV!!!!

[paul]

... you make no sense.
Here we teach respect for women, and thinking before acting, and equality. Any form of abuse is a big deal.

Over there, women are of lower social status, it is BECAUSE that sex isn't a big deal, and actions concerning sex, that there are more groping.

But still, people are happy, and people are sad, people deal with their lives. Every country is different. Like someone above said, we shouldn't stick our noses in others' business. Next thing you know, we'll be rallying troops to "liberate" other countries and bringing them our human rights, "democracy" and "freedom".

Only they can improve/downgrade their country. Leave them to it. In the grander scheme of things, it'll all be different 10 years from now anyway. Besides we don't understand their mindset, if they've been told to be ready for this kind of thing, since childhood and it is a part of their lives, we don't have any obligations to say "holy shit! thats wrong dudes!". Its similar to the concept of the Europeans telling africans not to breast feed their babies (bringing one value from one place to anther), and that did way more harm than good.

[GundamSaviour]

... you make no sense.
Here we teach respect for women, and thinking before acting, and equality. Any form of abuse is a big deal.

Over there, women are of lower social status, it is BECAUSE that sex isn't a big deal, and actions concerning sex, that there are more groping.

But still, people are happy, and people are sad, people deal with their lives. Every country is different. Like someone above said, we shouldn't stick our noses in others' business. Next thing you know, we'll be rallying troops to "liberate" other countries and bringing them our human rights, "democracy" and "freedom".

Only they can improve/downgrade their country. Leave them to it. In the grander scheme of things, it'll all be different 10 years from now anyway. Besides we don't understand their mindset, if they've been told to be ready for this kind of thing, since childhood and it is a part of their lives, we don't have any obligations to say "holy shit! thats wrong dudes!". Its similar to the concept of the Europeans telling africans not to breast feed their babies (bringing one value from one place to anther), and that did way more harm than good.


Hey man, whatever floats your boat, but im not gonna get in to an arguement
over political correctness with you.

But i can see where your coming from, i was drawing my own conclusions.

(the last part, about the africansand europeans was understandable)

and your right, its al about the grand scheme of things.

[kitsunepixie]

Unfortunately, most of the time the girl has no idea who did it. On a truly crowded train, you'll all packed in like sardines...there's just no way to tell who did what.



*Nods* It happened to me in a VERY crowded train in Tokyo...a train so jam-packed that you could lift your feet up and be held up by all the people around you. At first you think you're imagining things, and they usually are very subtle. I did a head swivel to try and see who it was, and that was enough to get it to stop, whoever it was. I've also had a Japanese girl come up really close to me before, and at first I was thinking, "Whoa, the train isn't that crowded right now, why are you shoving into me?", but then I realized she was getting away from a groper.

Now, whenever I get on the train, I always stand near a group of women. (We kind of congregrate naturally to avoid chikans) I also know people who used the old pin prick technique. And, I have one Japanese friend who is an illustrator, a very outspoken, mod-ish chic gal who is hilarious...an old man sat next to her and started rubbing her thigh, so she said in a voice loud enough that everyone could here, "Uh...jiisan. Your hand is touching my thigh, and quite frankly, it's gross." He got up and went to another car and then left at the next stop.

[nice gaijin]

"whatever floats your boat" is fine by me, but when it victimizes an unwilling party, it is NOT. I liken the chikan that coordinate and work in groups to NAMBLA; the fact that they're organized does not make their actions any less damaging to their victims. Sexual predators come in all shapes and sizes, and is is never funny or permissable. Anyone who would suggest that a rape victim "try to enjoy it" has never considered what it is like for the victim.

And like Az said, in order to prevent this kind of behaviour, the Japanese must create a society where men don't want to do that; not a society that looks the other way, or condones sexual predation. However, the catalyst for this change is not going to be a group of foreigners attacking suspected chikan on the trains.

[BlackLiger]

Makes no difference to me. If I spot 1 doing such a thing while I'm over there, hes looking at 1 slightly annoyed forigner poking him repeatedly (Oh, I don't intend to harm him/her/it. I just mean to create a situation where he learns what its like to be touched unwantedly.

[GundamSaviour]

"whatever floats your boat" is fine by me, but when it victimizes an unwilling party, it is NOT. I liken the chikan that coordinate and work in groups to NAMBLA; the fact that they're organized does not make their actions any less damaging to their victims. Sexual predators come in all shapes and sizes, and is is never funny or permissable. Anyone who would suggest that a rape victim "try to enjoy it" has never considered what it is like for the victim.

And like Az said, in order to prevent this kind of behaviour, the Japanese must create a society where men don't want to do that; not a society that looks the other way, or condones sexual predation. However, the catalyst for this change is not going to be a group of foreigners attacking suspected chikan on the trains.


what i meant by Whatever floats your boat, i was referring to the last posters attitude, i dont feel like getting into an argument about something that is totally wrong.

isnt Nambla that group of old dudes who like little boys?

[Kwiz]

And like Az said, in order to prevent this kind of behaviour, the Japanese must create a society where men don't want to do that; not a society that looks the other way, or condones sexual predation. However, the catalyst for this change is not going to be a group of foreigners attacking suspected chikan on the trains.

That's it right there. It's a cultural problem in that a lot of Japanese media depicts this kind of stuff as not that bad or even acceptable. And it's a social problem in that this whole demographic of young men with stressful lives can't find better things to do.

But no matter how bad something is, it's no excuse to make generalizations about a group of individuals; there are plenty of decent, respectful Japanese men out there.

[General_Admission]

What would happen if a socially higher ranking man felt up a socially lower ranking man on a train? Anyone heard of this happening?

[kitsunepixie]

What would happen if a socially higher ranking man felt up a socially lower ranking man on a train? Anyone heard of this happening?

Sounds like the beginning of a yaoi comic to me.

[Kwiz]

That doesn't sound too likely to happen, but I can imagine some really confused looks coming from the male grope victim. Since he wouldn't even remotely expect such a thing, chances of the groper being caught or reported would probably go further down. Kind of like male rape, only on a smaller scale.

[hanacker]

in the US, i mean, we are the most Sexually repressed country on the planet.

That's why Americans have more sex than any other country on earth?

[General_Admission]

That's why Americans have more sex than any other country on earth?

That's just a by-product of being sexually repressed. :karate:

[h2orowe]

I guess I can kind of understand it. It really depends on the intentions of the policeman when he said it. Its forgivable if he meant "There is really not much we can do about it, the citizens don't really care and we rarely get to catch anyone, so if you do get into an unescapable situation, try to get into that mindset, so it wouldn't scar you mentally forever (as much) and you won't get hurt/killed."

It could mean something similar to, if someone holds you at gunpoint and asks you for your wallet, give it to them without a fight.
That's not really what he meant.... also, if you get raped, I think it'd be best to scream your head off, and hope someone around you hears you and helps.

If I ever witnessed someone being raped in Japan, regardless of how bad it'd look for foriegners, I'd kick the guys ass.

But still, people are happy, and people are sad, people deal with their lives. Every country is different. Like someone above said, we shouldn't stick our noses in others' business. Next thing you know, we'll be rallying troops to "liberate" other countries and bringing them our human rights, "democracy" and "freedom".

Only they can improve/downgrade their country. Leave them to it. In the grander scheme of things, it'll all be different 10 years from now anyway. Besides we don't understand their mindset, if they've been told to be ready for this kind of thing, since childhood and it is a part of their lives, we don't have any obligations to say "holy shit! thats wrong dudes!". Its similar to the concept of the Europeans telling africans not to breast feed their babies (bringing one value from one place to anther), and that did way more harm than good.

There's a difference between changing a country's laws, and giving it's citizen's basic human rights.

Seriously, if women are treated that bad, someone, no matter Japanese or gaijin, should do something about it.

[Chinpokomon]

If I ever witnessed someone being raped in Japan, regardless of how bad it'd look for foriegners, I'd kick the guys ass.

There's a difference between changing a country's laws, and giving it's citizen's basic human rights.

Seriously, if women are treated that bad, someone, no matter Japanese or gaijin, should do something about it.
We get it already. You want to be the protector of womenkind everywhere.
However, I assure you, this will not get you laid any faster.

[h2orowe]

-_-; how come when I don't spam people don't take me seriously?

[Frankey-eh]

although h2o says admirable things...
there's a factor of embarrassment you failed to calculate.

...or so I've heard. The same reason why rapes are underreported. It's a universal thing, I believe...

I've never been in either situation so I don't know. I have been... "sexually harassed" before, as defined by school officials. (US school!) I didn't think anything of it until the vice principal called me and said that two words to me. I definately felt uncomfortable after that. I wanted to get out of her office asap, so I just told her nothing happened and everything's okay. Jumping to conclusions... *grumbles*

[h2orowe]

=\ there's a point where it has to stop. I mean if you get embarassed, that's bad, but still... if you want things to change, you're going to have to take one for the team, to help improve the situation...

How often do rapes occur in Japan?

[Frankey-eh]

How often do rapes occur in Japan?
Where do you draw the line? A lot of MS/HS girls will allow themselves to their bf, just to keep the relationship. But is that rape? She went into it with a prepared heart.

[h2orowe]

Rape is being forced to have sex against ones will... so allowing that to happen isn't... rape....

What I was trying to say though, is like... if you say something... even if you look stupid.. it might give someone else the courage to stand up against it, too... than that person might influence people too... and so on and so forth...

[Azrael]

h2, you just asked a question that nobody can answer.

No statistic will ever be accurate, as Japan underreports, and the vast majority of women just never report at all. On the rare chance a women does report AND the guy is caught, he just gets a lawyer, pays a monetary sum, and the matter is closed. ...If you think about it, the victim goes from a rape victim, to an unintended prostitute.

And then, like rika said, there are a lot of women who have sex with men/boyfriends...not because they want to, but because they feel they have to for some reason or another.

[h2orowe]

Than... that's just sad, man... how messed up is it that this is 2006, and stuff like that still happens =\

[GundamSaviour]

Than... that's just sad, man... how messed up is it that this is 2006, and stuff like that still happens =\


Dude as long as man exsists, and we have influences like the media, then we ALWAYS have things like this going on.

[h2orowe]

Dude as long as man exsists, and we have influences like the media, then we ALWAYS have things like this going on.
In Western countries (as far as I know) stuff like this doesn't fly; unless there's something I'm just overlooking.

[GundamSaviour]

In Western countries (as far as I know) stuff like this doesn't fly; unless there's something I'm just overlooking.


yea, but it still happens, the reports you hear about, or read about, are just a small fraction of all the other stuff that doenst make it into the papers, or the news.

[Kwiz]

People get away with rape all the time in every country on the planet. And the problem with crimes like rape is that the victim is often the only witness.

[alansmithee]

In Western countries (as far as I know) stuff like this doesn't fly; unless there's something I'm just overlooking.

You're overlooking it. It might happen more in Japan, but it does happen here. I know of two people personally who claimed to have been raped/sexually assaulted and didn't report it. One girl said she was raped, and then would still hang around the rapist. It has a significant stigma still attached. And sleeping with someone to keep them isn't anything limited to Japan, either. At least in Japan, sex seems to be more matter-of-fact, so there's less guilt about doing it.

[h2orowe]

In America at least, we have people who come forward with it, and have something actually done about it. From what I've read, it seems like rapists get away free 99.9999% of the time.

I've known people, or know people who know people who got raped, and they've gotten "justice".

My brother's friend got raped by one of her "friends"... and my brother and some of his male friends found the rapist, bashed his knees in, and left him in the middle of the desert.

[GundamSaviour]

In America at least, we have people who come forward with it, and have something actually done about it. From what I've read, it seems like rapists get away free 99.9999% of the time.

I've known people, or know people who know people who got raped, and they've gotten "justice".

My brother's friend got raped by one of her "friends"... and my brother and some of his male friends found the rapist, bashed his knees in, and left him in the middle of the desert.


for some reason, that last part gave me a shiver down my spine, answer this question for me will ya? what race was the guy that got bashed around?

[h2orowe]

I don't know dude. Probably white guy? My brother's friends were probably mixed like Mexican and white or something. It's not a racist thing -.-

Also, not all rapes should be dealt with like that, even though it'd fit; they just need to be punished.

[GundamSaviour]

I don't know dude. Probably white guy? My brother's friends were probably mixed like Mexican and white or something. It's not a racist thing -.-

Also, not all rapes should be dealt with like that, even though it'd fit; they just need to be punished.


Eh, no biggie i just wanted to know, even if it was a black dude, rape is still wrong.

[GundamSaviour]

BTW H2, Nice pa rappa Avatar. i need to find that game

[h2orowe]

I'm sure it wasn't a black dude, 'cuz this area there's not many black dudes. Which is funny considering when people think Los Angeles they think black people, and my county is neighboring L.A.

Also, thanks for the avvi comment XD This game pwns.

[Zslash]

for some reason, that last part gave me a shiver down my spine, answer this question for me will ya? what race was the guy that got bashed around?

10 bucks on hispanic

[kitsunepixie]

I would still say rape is far more common in the US than in Japan. Violent crimes in general are less common here...Sure, they DO happen, and rapes/sexual assaults are certainly less reported than in the US, but yeah...I know my friends and I certainly feel safer in Japan than they do ANYWHERE in the US, which, as an American, I am ashamed to admit.

And, I had a Japanese friend who was raped by her American boyfriend shortly after they started going out. She wasn't ready to have sex with him, and he didn't care and made her anyway. She had never had sex before and was in a new culture, and wasn't sure what to do/where to go for help. They went out for a year (and she was ashamed the whole time), and didn't tell anyone until months after they broke up. I was friends with said guy and thought he was generally a pretty nice guy (except for an obvious Asian fetish), but sort of a blonde, gym-bimbo type. Needless to say, many Asian girls were warned to avoid him after the truth got out.

[h2orowe]

He was either white or hispanic, 'cuz that happened in my old city Orange, and that city's like 40-40 White/Mexican (and other latino, but mostly Mexican) than the rest are Asian, with a few African American.

I have a feeling that it was a total Cha bro though, (Cha bro=dumbass whiteboy surfer/OC douche bag).

[GundamSaviour]

10 bucks on hispanic


Harsh

Zslash..sounds familiar

[h2orowe]

I would still say rape is far more common in the US than in Japan. Violent crimes in general are less common here...Sure, they DO happen, and rapes/sexual assaults are certainly less reported than in the US, but yeah...I know my friends and I certainly feel safer in Japan than they do ANYWHERE in the US, which, as an American, I am ashamed to admit.

And, I had a Japanese friend who was raped by her American boyfriend shortly after they started going out. She wasn't ready to have sex with him, and he didn't care and made her anyway. She had never had sex before and was in a new culture, and wasn't sure what to do/where to go for help. They went out for a year (and she was ashamed the whole time), and didn't tell anyone until months after they broke up. I was friends with said guy and thought he was generally a pretty nice guy (except for an obvious Asian fetish), but sort of a blonde, gym-bimbo type. Needless to say, many Asian girls were warned to avoid him after the truth got out.
That's what I was wondering, I wanted to know if it happened a SHIT LOAD in Japan... 'cuz they made it sound so common.

[Masa the Masta]

10 bucks on hispanic

Why is everyone looking at me?! :bang:

[h2orowe]

Why is everyone looking at me?! :bang:
*Checks to make sure Masa still has his kneecaps*

[GundamSaviour]

*Checks to make sure Masa still has his kneecaps*


LMAO....
Kneecaps, ouch

[kitsunepixie]

That's what I was wondering, I wanted to know if it happened a SHIT LOAD in Japan... 'cuz they made it sound so common.

My Japanese friends' impression of the States is that you have to pull a gun out of your purse to fight off rapists at every corner.

[h2orowe]

My Japanese friends' impression of the States is that you have to pull a gun out of your purse to fight off rapists at every corner.
Agh -.-
This is what is bad about reading these forums!! People are trying to tell you the truth!! but it seems worse reading it, and like... people interpret things differently :duh:
I just really need to visit there so I can get the experience firsthand.

[alansmithee]

That's what I was wondering, I wanted to know if it happened a SHIT LOAD in Japan... 'cuz they made it sound so common.

I think everything gets exaggerated. Just like all us Americans here carry at least 2 guns, and are constantly getting mugged/beaten/murdered. And don't forget that we all tip the scales at around 300 lbs (at least the women, men are bigger). Because of the way genaralizations are made about other cultures, if you see some, it becomes all. And also, there's the exotic factor. So when someone hears about rape in Japan, it's obviously not like rape in America because it's IN JAPAN.

[Masa the Masta]

*Checks to make sure Masa still has his kneecaps*

Did I still have them? I can't feel my legs. :blank:

[h2orowe]

Did I still have them? I can't feel my legs. :blank:
Rapisssssssst!
You're missing your kneecaps!
You're the rapist :O
Masa, for shame.

[denjin]

Chikan is more than prevalent enough in Japan, at least on a sort of 'minor' level. I know I dreaded getting on at a super crowded station (um, shinagawa anyone?).

I had some cool Japanese girl-friends who would actually grab a guy's hand, stick it in the air and say chikan when it happened, too.

[Masa the Masta]

Rapisssssssst!
You're missing your kneecaps!
You're the rapist :O
Masa, for shame.

No way, the girl was telling me she had a snakebite on her boobies. Said she needed the poison sucked out. :boggled: Then this huge burly white High School kid came out of nowhere and Gaijin pork belly smashed me.

[GundamSaviour]

Rapisssssssst!
You're missing your kneecaps!
You're the rapist :O
Masa, for shame.


For Shame indeed MASA, you were the legendary leader of MASA's ANGELS? wha happend? you Chikand them away?

[kitsunepixie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060108/ap_on_re_us/richmond_slayings

Articles like the above certainly scare the shit out of me and make me rethink living in America.

[h2orowe]

No way, the girl was telling me she had a snakebite on her boobies. Said she needed the poison sucked out. :boggled: Then this huge burly white High School kid came out of nowhere and Gaijin pork belly smashed me.
:rofl: huge is what my brother is. Not in the fat sense, but in muscle sense.

My brother was a High School football hero, and went to the all-county game. :whoops: He set alot of records in weight lifting in high school.

Blah blah blah.

[Frankey-eh]

Chikan is more than prevalent enough in Japan, at least on a sort of 'minor' level. I know I dreaded getting on at a super crowded station (um, shinagawa anyone?).

I had some cool Japanese girl-friends who would actually grab a guy's hand, stick it in the air and say chikan when it happened, too.

Shinagawa...? I practically 'lived' in that station one summer, for a week. It was either that or the hotel room, with the window facing the station. But nope, no chikan for me. Lots of free tissues though ^_^

For your second part... I have my doubts. Not that I'm doubting your friends in particular. There are lots of cases were girls would frame a guy, even if he wasn't doing anything, just to get him in trouble, get money, or destroy his reputation (if he has one). I mean, some girls do have guts like that... just not many.

[denjin]

Well, I got on one station away. I can't remember the name.... I thought it was yoyomachi, but I don't have Japanese on this particular PC, so it is harder to do a google to double check. :) If you got on during rush hour, it was so crowded that sometimes you'd not even be able to touch the floor.

The second part definitely happened. Although, it was more frequent with some of my other ryugakusei. The one girl would just grab a hand and go 'dare no te desu ka'.

[paul]

There's a difference between changing a country's laws, and giving it's citizen's basic human rights.

Seriously, if women are treated that bad, someone, no matter Japanese or gaijin, should do something about it.

Yes, of course, america is perfect in its glorious equality, freedom and liberty. And thus you have to spread it all around the globe. Seriously, if they (the japanese) don't want you to interfere, why would you? Think about it for a second here, do you REALLY think for a SECOND that you, a gaijin, can go in Japan and tell THEM what to do? Especially in the atmosphere there now. Be realisitc now. Besides, I muchly prefere the UN way of improving human rights, rather than the American way -_- .

Alas, if you do feel like you need to do something, do something about another coutry. In case you didn't know, human rights problems, rape, disease, famine affects MANY more countries much worse than Japan. Remember africa? with the flamethrower cars and the penis-traps >_<

[kitsunepixie]

Alas, if you do feel like you need to do something, do something about another coutry. In case you didn't know, human rights problems, rape, disease, famine affects MANY more countries much worse than Japan. Remember africa? with the flamethrower cars and the penis-traps >_<

Yeah, where's the love for the African girls?

[rameek]

what would happen if a foreigner did intervene if they witnessed something like that? I know as many have said before you cant stand idly by and let that happen. The first time I went to japan about 4 years ago my wife showed me the women only car and i was shocked and appalled. I noticed on occassion I pay attention to how crowded a train is and how women react as well as to see if its really true. I really can understand why most women travel in groups and why they never make eye contact with people. I know I will have some issues if I see it because immediately I will think that could happen to my wife or that is someones daughter or sister etc....

[Frankey-eh]

what would happen if a foreigner did intervene if they witnessed something like that? I know as many have said before you cant stand idly by and let that happen. The first time I went to japan about 4 years ago my wife showed me the women only car and i was shocked and appalled. I noticed on occassion I pay attention to how crowded a train is and how women react as well as to see if its really true. I really can understand why most women travel in groups and why they never make eye contact with people. I know I will have some issues if I see it because immediately I will think that could happen to my wife or that is someones daughter or sister etc....
a foreign intervetion will be sweet. It's embarrassing to raise the case yourself, but having another do it... especially having a gaijin do it... that's almost like police power. ^_^ (I can only imagine though... no experience)

[h2orowe]

Yes, of course, america is perfect in its glorious equality, freedom and liberty. And thus you have to spread it all around the globe. Seriously, if they (the japanese) don't want you to interfere, why would you? Think about it for a second here, do you REALLY think for a SECOND that you, a gaijin, can go in Japan and tell THEM what to do? Especially in the atmosphere there now. Be realisitc now. Besides, I muchly prefere the UN way of improving human rights, rather than the American way -_- .

Alas, if you do feel like you need to do something, do something about another coutry. In case you didn't know, human rights problems, rape, disease, famine affects MANY more countries much worse than Japan. Remember africa? with the flamethrower cars and the penis-traps >_<
-.- dude.... you have some grudge against me, cuz you're always against whatever I post...

I meant the victims need to step up and do something -.- and by BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS I was implying the UN way.

I don't think America is the greatest fucking country in the world, so don't be saying that I do.

[h2orowe]

a foreign intervetion will be sweet. It's embarrassing to raise the case yourself, but having another do it... especially having a gaijin do it... that's almost like police power. ^_^ (I can only imagine though... no experience)
>_> <_<

*packs his cape, and heads to Japan's subway*

Heroic Gaijin! Coming to a public transit system near you!!!

[Frankey-eh]

>_> <_<

*packs his cape, and heads to Japan's subway*

Heroic Gaijin! Coming to a public transit system near you!!!
...oh....dear
just keep in mind that this action will only emphasize your 'gaijin'-ness. If you want to "live" in Japan and be accepted like Az and a whole bunch of other people usually do... it's not going to help your cause.

[Hayabusa]

Yes, of course, america is perfect in its glorious equality, freedom and liberty. And thus you have to spread it all around the globe. Seriously, if they (the japanese) don't want you to interfere, why would you? Think about it for a second here, do you REALLY think for a SECOND that you, a gaijin, can go in Japan and tell THEM what to do?Awww, I bet if the UN made a suggestion about what the US should do, you would be all for it.

And, it's not about interfering, it's about promoting social equality. I doubt there would be a need to send in US troops to do that. :sarcasm: Honestly, if a woman can't get on a train without the fear of being molested by some sex-starved psychotic because no one is going to do anything about it, you'd figure something needs to change. Granted, running in all gunho won't completely solve the problem, but it's a step in the right direction. It isn't a simple problem that can be solved overnight, but to say that you might as well take it because the chances of catching the guy are almost zero is giving up on the problem before trying to find a solution. Unfortunately, this probably won't happen since Japanese society is still dominated by males (even moreso than in the US, despite all the legislation that promotes equality) and I doubt they're going to do anything about it.

I feel safe here in the US, even when I walk home alone at night. One key idea is to never fall into a false sense of security. The world isn't a safe place. No matter how advanced a civilization becomes, there are still those that care nothing for others. How those people are dealt with varies, but the fact remains that there are people out there that wouldn't think twice about doing you harm. To be blind to that fact is more dangerous than that crazy person.

But yeah, getting groped by an old man must suck. :watson:

h2orowe, please tell me what the greatest nation in the world is and why. I'm curious to know. It can be a PM if you wish.

[paul]

Awww, I bet if the UN made a suggestion about what the US should do, you would be all for it.


You're absolutely right. Though its usually the other way around. But if that day did come, I'd be all for it :) But lets just pretend the UN has some influence over what the US of A says and does.


And, it's not about interfering, it's about promoting social equality.

I also agree, but I also said that they, the japanese, may not take it the same way as you would correct?


I doubt there would be a need to send in US troops to do that.

I never said that. But think about it this way. If US alone put pressure on Japan, in it usual tactless way, what would be the reactions? Now if the UN, the US and a bunch of other countries, collaboratively put pressure on Japan, wouldn't it look better for the US? wouldn't it be more effective?

And no Joe, I don't have a grudge, its just my opinion. People disagree, which is why they have different political parties and debates I guess.

Funny how you should use the word "grudge" on a thread about japan >.>, now I'm scared.

[h2orowe]

h2orowe, please tell me what the greatest nation in the world is and why. I'm curious to know. It can be a PM if you wish.
I don't have a favorite =\ Every country has it's faults. It's ups, it's downs.

...oh....dear
just keep in mind that this action will only emphasize your 'gaijin'-ness. If you want to "live" in Japan and be accepted like Az and a whole bunch of other people usually do... it's not going to help your cause.
I was joking :P silly.

[paul]

Really? I swear they could have made a TV series on par with the popularity of Hard Gay from you.

"Big gaijin in cape who wears underwear over his pants saves women on crowded subway stations!"

Like those translated titles of shows that are uber long.

Then maybe they'll finally have some quality reality TV :P

[GundamSaviour]

to H2's tormentors:

why are peaple so quick to seek and destroy? no matter what forum i visit on any site, there are always those who actively seek out others and proceed to try and make them look like idiots.

[nice gaijin]

My brother's friend got raped by one of her "friends"... and my brother and some of his male friends found the rapist, bashed his knees in, and left him in the middle of the desert.
Is this brand of vigilante justice your inspiration for this desire to take matters into your own hands? Sexual predators really piss me off, and I would love to see them get their dues. But it's better to change a system than doesn't work than to ignore that system and take the law into our own hands.

what's the point of having a justice system if it gets circumvented by a mob?

[Hayabusa]

I never said that. But think about it this way. If US alone put pressure on Japan, in it usual tactless way, what would be the reactions? Now if the UN, the US and a bunch of other countries, collaboratively put pressure on Japan, wouldn't it look better for the US? wouldn't it be more effective?But that's still interfering, according to your definition. Therefore, any suggestions, or pressure in this case, from the UN or US or some other gaijin group is something that they could care less about. That being said, I also agree, but I also said that they, the japanese, may not take it the same way as you would correct? Of course they wouldn't. Especially (generally speaking) when you have male chauvinists in power, I doubt they would be too open to ideas about elevating women to an equal plane. I'm sure the women would love the opportunity, but when sociatal standards don't reflect such ideals, you have a society which continues to be almost completely dominated by men.

[kitsunepixie]

Really? I swear they could have made a TV series on par with the popularity of Hard Gay from you.



I saw Hard Gay once rescue a girl from one of those "Hey, come work at our hostess bar/be in our AV" guys in Shibuya on TV before. It was pretty funny, though the girl was pretty freaked out by HG himself, too. :duh:

[paul]

So, taking in whats said about vigilante justice, the japanese people/government, international co-operation, one can conclude that taking action from the inside or outside is not so easy.

People inside, as you say, face opposition from the male dominant society and plus its always been this way.

People outside, lets just say international affairs are very tricky things to deal with.
[edit]
Woot! go hard gay!
See joey? you can totally beat his ass in the field of Japanese TV :P
You'll have all the asian girls you've always wanted ;)
<- In case someone didn't figure it out, it was a joke.

[tona]

to H2's tormentors:

why are peaple so quick to seek and destroy? no matter what forum i visit on any site, there are always those who actively seek out others and proceed to try and make them look like idiots.
I think it has something to do with the 2 full pages of back-and-forth chit chat that is very loosely connected (if at all) to the chikan subject.
Btw, you really like to spam alot, too.

I agree with nice gaijin on this one. Telling people to "Take Justice into their own hands" isn't always a good thing. Everyone has different ideas of justice.

[悲しいパンダ]

Ive, been reading stuff about these groups of dudes in japan, who get on Subway carts, and molest women. I mean, ive read articles about these dudes, they range from, Fathers, buissnesmen, even those monk dudes, weird, anyways ive been doing research on these guys, and seem to me that they're pretty extensive and stuff, and actually pretty well coordinated.LOL i even saw this video, where they surrounded two poor women, ill leave the rest of that stuff up to your imagination. anyways, if you guys happen to have any information on CHIKAN. and stuff like that, please contact me! thanks

We're you refering to this? :joecool:
http://ballz.ababa.net/uninvited/groping.htm

[paul]

In Japan, more than 4000 men are arrested each year for groping on trains. This is about five times the number in 1992.


Hey look! its improving!


According to Oohori, gropers come in two main categories. "Orthodox" gropers, about 80% of the fondling population, get their kicks from the girl’s look of disgust and embarrassment. The "Technician" is a rarer and far more admirable breed. With practiced technique, they subtly titillate their gropees into a state of subconscious arousal.

This chikan elite meet once a month in a Tokyo café to touch base and play with some new ideas. Over the internet, they warn each other of police crack-downs on certain train-lines. They even run practical mauling workshops, hiring girls to be bothered by them on crowded commuter trains, and offering criticism and tips.


I think that deserves a: OH EM GEE. o_O

[malaujai]

JESUS, its a fucking ORGANIZATION? this whole time i thought we were just referring to a 'type' of person... holy crap

so lemme get this straight.. Chikan is an organization and not a person who gropes women on trains? lol sorry for my ignorance

[alansmithee]

Besides, I muchly prefere the UN way of improving human rights, rather than the American way -_- .

The UN way? So, ignore it until it either goes away on its own, or let the US handle it?

[paul]

No,
First: men grope women on trains, they are many.
Second: men who have a common interest form a club. The groping brotherhood.

;) just like school clubs.

The UN way? So, ignore it until it either goes away on its own, or let the US handle it?

Being Canadian I'd have to bring in the example of Lester B. Pearson and the Suez Canal, or be shamed.
Hans Bwix FTW! <- obscure movie reference.

[kitsunepixie]

That article sounds like something from the Onion. Maybe there IS some secret chikan conspiracy (like "chem trails" in the American sky being used to kill off the elderly population :rofl: ), but generally, it's just some opportunistic guy who decides to cop a feel on his way to/from work.

[Masa the Masta]

LOL, it looks like these guys have their shit on lockdown. I think the whole thing about subconsciously arousing a chick is BS though, that's what they'd LIKE to believe.

[TS-]

I've looked through the thred, and seen all these comments about "oh, Chikan isn't funny," and the like... Yeah, I very much disagree. This shit is hillarious.

It's funny in a Three Stooges, slapstick comedy sort of way. Only the Stooges weren't so funny IMO, but you get the point. It's sort of exaggerated behavior, which is funny because it's taking place, at least from my perspective, in a hypothetical situation.

If my female friends were getting groped on their way to/from home or work or school...of course it would not be funny. Clearly, that's not okay.

However, when I picture some dirty old man sitting beside some 20-year-old woman and just start stroking her thigh out of nowhere...yeah, I'm actually laughing as I type this. That's just funny to me.


LOL, it looks like these guys have their shit on lockdown. I think the whole thing about subconsciously arousing a chick is BS though, that's what they'd LIKE to believe.

Well yeah, if you watch enough porn, you get strange ideas in your head (I think old porn movies are the only reason anyone ever agreed to be a pizza delivery guy: inevitably there would be some hot chick in her underwear who would answer the door, and tell you that she needed you to give her "extra sausage" or something of that sort. And then you'd get a tip!).

Imagine that applied to Japanese porn. Scary stuff. I'm surprised there aren't news stories of guys just pulling down their pants and shouting "IKUU YOOO---!" and urinating in the faces of the girls.


(Japanese porn is awful.)

[erbiumfiber]

You probably didn't see it either. Trust me on this, on really crowded trains you're already molesting someone by default - it's just a matter of which guy raised his hand for a bit more.

My 71-year old boss (not quite 5 feet) was taking me, via the Saikyo line (one of the most god-awful crowded lines in Tokyo) to Ito Yokado. It was rush hour. He was not tall enough to hold onto anything, but I was. So with every lurch of the train, his head was basically getting thrust into my chest. A chest bigger than any he has ever experienced, I'm willing to bet.

So, yeah, even when there's no chikan, you are getting molested. He apparently relayed the horror of that night to coworkers. Although, since it was in Japanese, I'm not sure just what got related.

[nice gaijin]

...So with every lurch of the train, his head was basically getting thrust into my chest. A chest bigger than any he has ever experienced, I'm willing to bet...
Not that I've paid that much attention before, but you're either a girl, or an unfortunately-endowed guy...

[erbiumfiber]

I'm a nerdy chick. They say MIT women are men who worked their balls off in high school...

Umm, but I don't LOOK nerdy...

[nice gaijin]

either I really haven't noticed, or everything has been ambiguous up until now ;) thx for setting me straight.

[Uska]

Umm, but I don't LOOK nerdy...

hey not bad :D:watson:

[Suneru]

I hate the Saikyo line. But it speaks of the peaceful nature of Japanese people. A train like that would never work in America, fights would break out every other minute.

[paul]

I was on a bus in France, the same way, a fight did break out. There's always french-arab tension -_-

[GundamSaviour]

I've looked through the thred, and seen all these comments about "oh, Chikan isn't funny," and the like... Yeah, I very much disagree. This shit is hillarious.

It's funny in a Three Stooges, slapstick comedy sort of way. Only the Stooges weren't so funny IMO, but you get the point. It's sort of exaggerated behavior, which is funny because it's taking place, at least from my perspective, in a hypothetical situation.

If my female friends were getting groped on their way to/from home or work or school...of course it would not be funny. Clearly, that's not okay.

However, when I picture some dirty old man sitting beside some 20-year-old woman and just start stroking her thigh out of nowhere...yeah, I'm actually laughing as I type this. That's just funny to me.




Well yeah, if you watch enough porn, you get strange ideas in your head (I think old porn movies are the only reason anyone ever agreed to be a pizza delivery guy: inevitably there would be some hot chick in her underwear who would answer the door, and tell you that she needed you to give her "extra sausage" or something of that sort. And then you'd get a tip!).

Imagine that applied to Japanese porn. Scary stuff. I'm surprised there aren't news stories of guys just pulling down their pants and shouting "IKUU YOOO---!" and urinating in the faces of the girls.


(Japanese porn is awful.)

Thats sorta how i looked at it, till i started reading about the darker stuff they were doing.

[atomiton]

^very cool sign. There should have been a german suplex somewhere in there, though.

Any words on how a cop handles defenders who go ape-shit on chikans? I'm thinking KO punches, groin kicks, wrist-sprains...because in honesty, there isn't enough fear in the hearts of these guys to NOT act in the way that they do.
In the end, though, we all know that if the girls do nothing about it, they only give power to the mysoginy.

Check out Rich Pav's podcast Herro Flom Japan (http://www.herroflomjapan.com). In one of his podcasts, he talks about what he did to some guy when his wife got Chikan'd by a drunk in Japan, while he was there. And how the police reacted.

I think it's on iTunes. It's really interesting.

edit: i don't think that podcast is available any more... but if anyone wants to listen to it, I can email it to them, if they pm me.

[sergey500]

The only reason this usually is easy to catch in the US is because here in America, we can sue you for anything. "You dropped my pencil? You son of ***** I am going sue your ass! Pick it up or we are going court with this!" I swear this happens. Like recently i read an article where a women sued the police for shooting her, why? Because she pointed a gun at them . . .when the point of her sueing them makes sense, let me know, this like 2+2=Fish thing.

The story about the girl who told that guy on train to stop touching her because it was gross was priceless. What I want to know is, what the hell is going through that guys mind? "Oh she won't notice, mmm smooth....oh? she is looking at me...no problem...in hentai vid i saw , i think this means _[insert some twisted logic here]_" ? Seriously what the hell is wrong with these people? Is Japan really the perverted? And what do you mean, Az, that women don't report rape, it just defys my logic...2 + 2 = fish...

Oh and why IS the trains so cramped? If japan is technologicly advanced wouldn't it be smart to invent some transportation that lets lots of people fit into some fast vechile or something or simply just make another tunnel or something. I dunno. . .

[Frankey-eh]

Oh and why IS the trains so cramped? If japan is technologicly advanced wouldn't it be smart to invent some transportation that lets lots of people fit into some fast vechile or something or simply just make another tunnel or something. I dunno. . .
It's the same as LA traffic: inevitable.
it just so happens the entire Tokyo is trying to get to Shinjuku, the business district before nine o'clock when all companies starts working. And Japan doesn't have 30th century technology, despite what you may think. Our transportation is already more efficient, environmentally-safer, better-maintained than US.

[sergey500]

^ but does it have anti-Chikan technology?

[Frankey-eh]

^ but does it have anti-Chikan technology?
yeah. they sell things called "chikan prevention keychains". You hang them on your bags and stuff, and everytime someone's hand comes near you body, it makes a really loud noise and is suppose to scare them away. Don't know how effective though... I've only seen advertisements.

[paul]

Er... but on crowded subways i don't see how thats suppose to work.

[Frankey-eh]

Er... but on crowded subways i don't see how thats suppose to work.
the same way an alarm on a car is suppose to work. except much more efficiently ^_^

seriously... alarm on car is the most useless thing ever. Most of the time, you're the one who ends up setting your car's alarm off. First time my car cried, I nearly cried x_x

[paul]

What? So if someone touches you, a device attached to your body beeps?
But as someone said, its so crowded sometimes that your feet barely touches the floor, so wouldn't it be beeping all the time?

[sergey500]

Lol, i doubt that works too well in crowded train where your life is being squeezed out. So lets take a moment an invent something, anti-chikan invention/. Now presenting......*drum roll*..... . . . . . . I don't know. I don't have any ideas. Pepper spray on cloths.....no! I spray thing, harmless to skin, lsat some time, when extensive force is used....no HEAT (from the hand) it blows up! Like that stuff on brainiac....i got the ingrediants now i want to make it. Anyway...nah people can stull pump in on accident. Back to drawing board.

[Frankey-eh]

What? So if someone touches you, a device attached to your body beeps?
But as someone said, its so crowdd sometimes that your feet barely touches the floor, so wouldn't it be beeping all the time?
I can't find the ones I've seen before, but here's another type of similar device. It produce an electric current:

http://www.akiba-garage.com/item/204030301.html

cute, but man... so expensive!

[Mechs]

I can't find the ones I've seen before, but here's another type of similar device. It produce an electric current:

http://www.akiba-garage.com/item/204030301.html

cute, but man... so expensive!

Man what a waste of money. You would be better off buying some pepper spray.

[Sobe]

Don't know how often it happens but it should happen more.

According to the surrounding crowd, this young man had apprehended a chikan.

[羽之助]

I like the stories where a guy tries to chikan a girl/woman and it turns out to be a policewoman or a member of a crack judo team.