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Kusoyaro
01-04-2006, 09:17 AM
It seems fitting that now, in this quarter-point of my life, this axis of change, that i publicly (if this can be considered public) announce my hatred for humanity. My politics and religious beliefs, my philosophies and my personal principles have always led me into darker alleys of the soul, where an elevator takes me to the rooftops and I shield my eyes from the acclimating brilliance of the sun of thought.

A utopia is rather easy to procure, in reference to Hollywoodesque and literary ventures (I cannot structure this sentence correctly; I mean to say that, in comparison to certain literature and Hollywoodish movies, what i propose is easy). Utopians tend to disillusion the common man, paradoxically, as we have all been conditioned to believe that such a society could never maintain itself. This notion this notion rests mainly on the beliefs that mankind will always retain its (darker) persona, and that the current social mores are the correct ones (which in itself is a type of backward step for self-aware beings such as ourselves).

Humanity is still in its infancy, or, rather, its adolescence. It has shed its desire for authority, taken upon itself an air of independence, yet cannot remove or in any way distance itself from the very crutches it runs from. Such crutches (religion, bias, insularity and apathy, and other such negative emotions and states of mind) have always been an escape valve for us, a way to let loose. When it becomes too difficult to rely on reason and faith of kindness, or even inner wisdom, we take on our animal tendencies once again, and proudly maintain that these are the core human traits, not reason and compassion.

The desperation inherent in humankind that stems from the island-complex is the cause of the evolution of social structures and the like. That much is at least fairly obvious.
Tangent: If there were no God, it would have been necessary to create one, merely because of simple human need for control. Humans are alpha control-freaks, we change everything to suite our needs. But control freaks, as we know, are inherently lacking in self-confidence. While my view that we created God is one shared by many, this is not, however, how I explain it. It was merely a point worth mentioning.
We created social structures such as family, friends, lovers, and so on to keep at bay the existentialist despair that can easily wash over us if we think about our place in the universe. Not only are we utterly insignificant, but whatever we have ever done, or ever will do, will never have any meaning, for people will forget. We live and die unto ourselves, we live in our own universes that occasionally touch.
Thought Experiment: There are two people, one is blind and the other a romantic. We place them outside during a sunset. The former will not experience the same reality as the latter, although objectively they are in the same situation. Even if the blind man was replaced by a person who could see who could see, the reactions would differ. In this instance we see that objective circumstance can allow for subjective interpretations. Therefore, anything can conceivably become subjective, and hence reality is subjective. If that were the case, then every mind on Earth would be experiencing a different reality than everyone else. They cannot experience anyone else’s reality as their consciousness is inherent within themselves, and cannot truly experience another’s' without becoming the other person totally. We can safely assume that self-aware independent beings can never experience anything other than what they perceive and so on. So, everyone lives in their own realities, experiencing the same objective things with minutely subjective differences (yet this paradigm is enough to make it totally unique), which would mean that there is an underlying Truth to everything, something that keeps us from experiencing things so radically different that we spiral off into the ultimate insularity. I guess, if this hypothesis is correct, then the universe, the entire Everything is knitted with that one True objectivity, with an almost infinite number of subjective realities going on within it (if there is life elsewhere, which is entirely logical to presume), like a MMORPG or something. If you lose touch with that core experience, then you're in your own reality, a new one in which the rules and boundaries are written by yourself.
I gotta figure out how to do that.

As I crawl towards my virgin destination, I fear that mans' worst enemy is at me heels, and closing fast. My potential is dissolving into an acerbic ENOtablet, mix with water and serve to the general populace as a writer or public figure-head, or something who, while greatly admired by many, has thoughts of suicide compelled by the knowledge of what would have been. Atrophy is the underlying motif of stagnation, or maybe not, death is. But atrophy is the means. A mind atrophies to death, starved.
I must find a way to use my legs again, to stand up and run like I used to do a long time ago, in the soft chocolate warmth of embellished memory.
It is inevitable, though, that I will find my footing and give the old man's fifth column the old one-two, and jump upon the Daedelusean perch of teleology, or something. I am a Teleologist, I have been since the day I was born. I don't think I'm different. I know I am. But I want to merge into the crowd, to be lost in the sea of contentment. My life has been underscored by the intellectual belief that assimilation or at the very least congruence with society and a strict adherence with the norm should be followed. But again, I find loopholes for the darkness in me to slip through. Darkness as in I don't know what the fuck it is, not dark, as in evil, bad, et cetera. The loopholes are merely a variation found in The Matrix Reloaded, the one the Architect explain to Neo. I don't understand where these inherent philosophies came from. My earliest snapshot memory is me in the backseat going to a relative's wedding. That puts me at 4. I was looking at a purplepinkgoldensexy sky and my mind was ejaculating incomprehensible joy at seeing such amazing shit. I remember that feeling I had then, the knowledge of knowledge of the universe (not a typo) hidden away in some pocket of the mind. We all have it, I fear. Fear, for if that is so, then we truly are pitiful beings, having gone so long without removing the tarp from the spaceship of that lies in the Area51 of our minds.

To communicate is to give something away. Things you say can never be taken back, and once out of your mind, there they stay, forgotten and neglected. I would much rather become a mute than see anymore of myself become lost to me. I was one thousand times the person I was three years ago than I am today. The Hope of Life is hopeless in its ability to thwart ones guarding against entropy, and we chain ourselves to our fate, watching overhead as the angels and gods conduct their business. And you wish you were up there with them.

kyaa the catlord
01-04-2006, 09:36 AM
I'll take what he's smoking.

Loc
01-04-2006, 09:38 AM
Interesting post Kusoyaro...I can relate to some of the things you say but my head is messed up from hardly any sleep and the flu.

I think I'll edit this post later on with something a little better.

ShadowDeth
01-04-2006, 12:54 PM
tl;dr

Minimum text requirement.

Edit - My random thoughts are that you would be an extremely boring person to talk to.

Trump
01-04-2006, 06:23 PM
Random thought: you should re-read before you post to eliminate duplicate phrases especially when trying to sound aloof and pensive.

jingi893
01-04-2006, 07:10 PM
...i think i left the heater in my bathroom on...

anver
01-04-2006, 07:32 PM
I've thought about some of the topics you mention.
I agree with you on several.

More things coming soon.

FireWolf238
01-04-2006, 08:16 PM
there used to be a time when i thought i would agree with you, but that was 2 years ago when i almost fucked up my life beyond repair. Have you read 1984? that and north korea is what you are proposing the world to be. human beings might be insegnificant but they have thier own free will, how do propose to destroy that? an utopian society cannot fucntion untill its inhibitants are mindless ants, would you still call such people human?

Kusoyaro
01-04-2006, 08:46 PM
ahaha, i'm not aloof and pensive, guy. and those duplicate phrases are of no significance to me at all. im not writing a fucking essay or something. just some thoughts i had.

there used to be a time when i thought i would agree with you, but that was 2 years ago when i almost fucked up my life beyond repair. Have you read 1984? that and north korea is what you are proposing the world to be. human beings might be insegnificant but they have thier own free will, how do propose to destroy that? an utopian society cannot fucntion untill its inhibitants are mindless ants, would you still call such people human?
i've read Orwell, but i don't even like north korea and nor am i fucking up my life, in any way. the fact that human beings are insignificant, yet have their own free will has nothing to do with one another in the context i was talking about. you're only supposed to use "but" when you refute something. and the statement that a utopian society can only fuction when "it's inhabitants are mindless ants" is so horrible and pathetic, i really want to kill myself. fuck, you're pretty negative, and , like, you have no higher goals and have no vision of the future or the betterment of humanity. have some faith.
there is not just ONE version of a utopia (orville was a nihilist!), ther are many. the only reason that a utopia cannot function is because of human flaws, not the system. humanity will always be greedy, selfish and distrustful, and it is these qualities which must be purged from our collective. it'll take a while, but i'm pretty sure we can do it. eventually. i think that in order to progress people must first concede that a utopia is attainable, and the change the things which are harmful to us so as to take steps to procure it.
bah who fucking cares, stay a pessimist and contribute to this atrociously capitalist world.

Idlethought
01-05-2006, 01:09 AM
whats the point in being a pessimist all the time?

FireWolf238
01-05-2006, 02:28 AM
so you are serius about that shit....ohh well. for all i care utopia and all that shit is equally fucking shity in my book, i'll leave my stance at that.

Kusoyaro
01-05-2006, 02:33 AM
Idlethought, are you referring to me? Just to clarify, i'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist, an idealist. If there were negative notions that were in my post, then they were concessions.
FireWolf: ok!

Shishio
01-05-2006, 05:37 AM
I did not read the post in its entirety, damn my short attention span.

I hate humanity as well.

Also, I personally believe both optimism and pessimism are both bullshit. Perceiving everything with some kind of bias is stupid and childish. I prefer to live in the real world and see things as they actually are.

The glass is both half-full and half-empty.

ShadowDeth
01-05-2006, 06:25 AM
I did not read the post in its entirety, damn my short attention span.

I hate humanity as well.


Such a deep and educated statement.


Also, I personally believe both optimism and pessimism are both bullshit.


Why? I personally believe that white people can be turned into an effective fuel source after our oil runs out.

Perceiving everything with some kind of bias is stupid and childish. I prefer to live in the real world and see things as they actually are.

I agree to the utmost here. Having a personal bias is stupid, and childish.

I hate humanity as well. :boggled:

Collapse
01-05-2006, 06:50 AM
Looks like a blog entry.

You know what? Just read some Latin phrases and try your best to take some of their advices at heart. Publilius Syrus, Horace, Seneca, Vegetius, Virgil, Juvenal, Martial et al.

Aside from that, contemplate ethics and all of that.

Or just simply live on your means and let the world revolve on its own.

Idlethought
01-05-2006, 08:03 AM
Perceiving everything with some kind of bias is stupid and childish.

If you're a human being you cant help but perceive everything through your own biased lens. Theres no such thing as an objective view when youre talking about people

Kusoyaro
01-05-2006, 09:23 AM
Collapse, some of these are the bases of blog entries I am currently drawing up.
To clarify matters, I don't hate humanity, although I say i do in the second sentence. The rest of the blog just clarifies my beef with ourselves (me included). I hate aspects of it, as does everyone. Plus, I just finished watching Equilibrium again.
I don't really want to read latin phrases, rather to read bertrand russel or even sartre (i want to punch him in his humpback). I'm an ex-philos. major student, dropped out 'cuz philosophy is meaningless without application to real life, and I figured if i'm going to apply some high ideals to my life, they might as well be my own. don't need no dead guys to tell me whats right and wrong. especially if they're gonna muddle the fucking issue.
If everyone just lived my own life and left the world go around on it's own, we'd have no high government, we'd live in idylic villages where everyone knows each other, very little crime and virtually no social problems. fuck, that would rule so hard i can't even imagine it. but since certain people love meddling inother folks' lives (usually for no apparant reason other than to tell them how to do something "better" - not to confuse with intervention, such as abuse, education, remedying false beliefs and notions, etc), we live on a planet filled, FILLED, with poor folks, murder, rape, famine, apathy and greed. tweak ourselves, change the dominant traits from selfservice to empathy, and i think we can go fairly far.
I've been coasting on the mere fact that I have potential for far too long.

ShadowDeth
01-05-2006, 01:23 PM
To clarify matters, I don't hate humanity, although I say i do in the second sentence. The rest of the blog just clarifies my beef with ourselves (me included). I hate aspects of it, as does everyone. Plus, I just finished watching Equilibrium again.

Hmmm...


I don't really want to read latin phrases, rather to read bertrand russel or even sartre (i want to punch him in his humpback). I'm an ex-philos. major student, dropped out 'cuz philosophy is meaningless without application to real life, and I figured if i'm going to apply some high ideals to my life, they might as well be my own. don't need no dead guys to tell me whats right and wrong. especially if they're gonna muddle the fucking issue.

Really? I find philosophy to be extremely rewarding as a resource. Just like anything else in life, it's up to you to organize your experiences and teachings you might learn. Philosophy isn't inherently valid, but there is always a reason why anything draws a following. It doesn't happen just "because". I'm pretty sure Kant and Plato aren't breaking into your room at night and holding you at gunpoint forcing you to follow their beliefs.

Which isn't to say that popularity = right, but in the case of something as noble as critical thinking, it's hard for me to buy into the fact that someone who rejects philosophy on all levels is an intelligent person, worth listening to.


If everyone just lived my own life and left the world go around on it's own, we'd have no high government, we'd live in idylic villages where everyone knows each other, very little crime and virtually no social problems.

And this cements my previous assertion. It sounds to me like you're a latent (or maybe not so) anarchist. If everyone lived *your* particular life, I believe more issues would spring up than before. I'm not sure if that was a typo, but let's assume it's not for a minute.

A) Your goal is unrealistic, and shows where the root of your problems come from. You simply have unrealistic goals for people, and develop an aversion to them because of your frusteration.

B) If there was no "high" government, there would be nothing in place to regulate who controls our world's resources. Crime would continue to exist, and all other human emotions like greed, hatred, fear. The strong would gather and victimize the weak, and the cycle would begin again. I am personally thankfull we have the governments in place that we do. Any form of rule can never be perfect, but I am more content with my government spying on my phone calls as opposed to being beaten in the streets for no particular reason.

Also, as much as I know you believe the world revolves around you - as apparent in the constant "I" "I" "I" in your writing, I will feed into it and continue responding.

fuck, that would rule so hard i can't even imagine it. but since certain people love meddling inother folks' lives (usually for no apparant reason other than to tell them how to do something "better" - not to confuse with intervention, such as abuse, education, remedying false beliefs and notions, etc),

Yeah dude, i'm getting hard at the notion right now. People "meddling" in other people's business is so far from the ultimate root of humanity's flaws, that it astounds me it even appears in your writing.

we live on a planet filled, FILLED, with poor folks, murder, rape, famine, apathy and greed. tweak ourselves, change the dominant traits from selfservice to empathy, and i think we can go fairly far.


We sure do, and living in a state of anarchy wouldn't fix a damn thing.

I've been coasting on the mere fact that I have potential for far too long.

As much as I love playing trolls on message boards, I really don't want to on this one.... but I can't really read this bullshit and not respond.

Let me be the first to inform you that you, and your beliefs really have no potential at all beyond what you display here.

I'm not sure if you have realized, but for all you post, you say very little.

This kind of childish pseudo-philosophical nonsense is fine and dandy, but please realize what you're doing.

Benaire
01-05-2006, 01:43 PM
Life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you get inside.

Like sands thru the hour glass so are the days of our lives.

ShadowDeth
01-05-2006, 01:47 PM
Life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you get inside.

Like sands thru the hour glass so are the days of our lives.

Now that is deep and meaningful.

Benaire
01-05-2006, 02:52 PM
Hey its easier to read...... I read about 3 lines of kuso's post before i got bored.

Kusoyaro
01-05-2006, 09:24 PM
I had this long ass reply written to you, Shadow, but then i realized you were right, on almost all counts. I am very idealistic, I am fairly childish and I don't say much at all. while I do like philosphy, i don't like the idea of studying it merely for its sake. I'm not an anarchist (democratic socialist, might tell u were i get my idealism from), but i can see my previous statement was anachist. and fo sho i'm an egocentric bulbous-headed prick, who feels like the world should revolve around people like me. no doubt about that.
sorry for inflicting this drivel upon you, good sir/madam. I will refrain from posting inane bullshit again (or at least for a while).
but i really do abhore phrases and qoutes; that's a beef I'm gonna take outside.

Idlethought
01-06-2006, 05:08 AM
Heres a thought I just had, if Lucifer was successful in usurping God's throne he would be seen as a hero today. Lucifer => God as American Revolutionaries => Britain, except lucifer failed and is sentenced to eternity in hell. They had the same (sort of) beliefs though. Lucifer was revolting against someone he felt was unjust

Benaire
01-06-2006, 05:19 AM
There is way to much biblical talk. I find it kinda frightening how ingrained religion is even at this day and age.
I hear people saying it is the moral compase for the community and others saying it provides hope for people.

Being a man of science I find faith to be difficult to understand.

NERD
01-06-2006, 05:21 AM
Mmmmm- the battle between God and Lucifer is never mentioned in the Bible, actually. In fact, Paradise Lost, which details the rise and fall of Lucifer, reflects the Christian mythology that was popular at the time, more than anything.

I could use a link from wikipedia, but would rather not.

Kusoyaro
01-06-2006, 05:38 AM
If you think about it from a purely metaphysical perspective, God was right in denying freewill to his most trusted. Freewill is a curse, everyone can attest to that, because we are forced to choose, and so are forced to take sides, we begin to doubt, etc. Lucifer is the concept of freewill (his name means Bringer of Light), and he is the Angel of Reason.
Just some fun facts.

koku
01-06-2006, 06:12 AM
Kusuyaro posts enlighten me. And if I don't get it, then it's entertaining :)

Collapse
01-06-2006, 06:40 AM
Why blame God for things humans can change? Blame the higher power (those leaders..) to subconsciously terrorizes us, making us value materialsm and fake values and all of that shit.

Sure, those Latin phrases may do jack but hell, they can be helpful. Same as other ideas other people have.

But hell, this is just the 20th century and everyone is going stolid and self-centered. Amazing.

ShadowDeth
01-06-2006, 09:43 AM
I had this long ass reply written to you, Shadow, but then i realized you were right, on almost all counts. I am very idealistic, I am fairly childish and I don't say much at all. while I do like philosphy, i don't like the idea of studying it merely for its sake. I'm not an anarchist (democratic socialist, might tell u were i get my idealism from), but i can see my previous statement was anachist. and fo sho i'm an egocentric bulbous-headed prick, who feels like the world should revolve around people like me. no doubt about that.
sorry for inflicting this drivel upon you, good sir/madam. I will refrain from posting inane bullshit again (or at least for a while).
but i really do abhore phrases and qoutes; that's a beef I'm gonna take outside.


You know, now I feel like a dick tearing into you. Way to make me feel guilty. :bang:

I understand the points you're trying to make, but they are just ones I abandoned long ago. People often tell me I talk, and think like a very old man despite only being 23 and I forget that sometimes people aren't as jaded and burnt out as myself, and I get irritated. In fact, I'm probably more socially and morally burnt out and apathetic than you are, or could ever imagine. As I said I forget not everyone has given up trying to improve humanity, even through your negative approach.

I had absolutely no right to attack you for your beliefs because I do really believe everyone has the right to think what they wish. For that I do apologize. But I still think what you wrote is childish, pretentious drivel. :P

Idlethought
01-07-2006, 05:12 AM
Just thinkin about the whole god => lucifer thing. it's amazing how people who believe so strongly in this country can condemn Lucifer so easily. All Lucifer did was attempt to stand up for what he believed in, only problem was he failed at it cause you know, he kinda went up against THE God and all... But if anything Lucifer should be celebrated as the first free thinker, the first one to say I will not be a drone, a pioneer of revolution.

Kusoyaro
01-07-2006, 06:20 AM
Oh god no. Didn't I just elucidate that freewill is inherently evil (according to most philosophies)?
Lucifer's beliefs right now are popular, but think about that in itself for a moment.
OK. Let me put it this way:
Freewill is good.. But it is also very bad. It is good because we get to choose what we want, we get to have our own goals, we get to suffer and love and live, and we get to know what it means to be independent. However, it is also very bad because (discounting existentialist views), inherently freewill begets evil. There is a natural progression from self-aware and personal motivation to selfishness. When we make choices, we disregard other people and their views (even if we take them into account, ultimately we ignore them), leading to discord and opposition. Greed results when one person's motivation leads him further than someone else, and the second party wants the firsts' success. And so forth.
Angels and the minions of God are basically like you or me, with superpowers, and an unbreakable commitment to God. They cannot and will not (the "will not" is very important) disobey It, because God's Will is Law. It is the Alpha and Omega, It is Good and Evil, Light and Dark, etc. It is everything, Perfection itself. It's powers and scope are so beyond comprehension that nothing can match It, in any sense. God's creation has a Purpose. I don't know if it's written if any angel or whatever knows what it is, but God has one. So, the angels go about their business and work, not questioning, for the most part.
Lucifer comes along, God's sidekick, It's best friend if you will. God gives him/her (angels are both male and female, at the same time [sort of, it depends what you believe]) our realm to look after. When Lucifer saw that we were to be self-aware, he got jealous. (freewill is, after all, VERY attractive - as is anything and everything tabboo).
Bla bla bla, don't side with Lucifer, freewill is an illusion, and focus on improvement instead of our supposed self-determining powers.

or so i assume.