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eyez0nme
12-04-2005, 05:27 PM
Listen to this...its simply brillant

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557

Jay
12-04-2005, 05:28 PM
Do I have to?

Praetorian
12-04-2005, 06:10 PM
I'm glad he's convinced there is no god. I am too. But why must atheists always hammer on and on to try and prove to religious people that their god does not exist? If "we" are tired of theists' constantly talking about their god, and trying to tell us it exists, shouldn't we give a good example ourselves?

I believe that people should respect each others beliefs and opinions without attacking/annoying those who don't share that way of thinking. I think if that would happen, the world would be a much better place.

Quartermaster
12-04-2005, 06:12 PM
I went to this site under the false premise there would be listening.

There is only reading. I am not amused.
For shame, eyez0nemee. For shame.

Jay
12-04-2005, 06:13 PM
I believe that people should respect each others beliefs and opinions without attacking/annoying those who don't share that way of thinking. I think if that would happen, the world would be a much better place.

I totally agree there. If you have to debate about it, attack the other person's opinions. I'm all for friendly debate, just don't attack THE PERSON.

Exclamatio
12-04-2005, 07:14 PM
its a pretty good write up

personally i belive in god but i also believe he doesnt influence our daily lives so direct as so many people would preach

we are all responsible for our own lives and the paths we take, some things are out of our control and we have to accept that, not hope that god will save us or do things for us

i feel that is where most people mess up, they bvelive god is soem kind of crutch who is going to help. far from it.

Jon885
12-04-2005, 07:32 PM
i'll read it later since i'm a big fan of bullshit.

ruaidhri
12-04-2005, 09:06 PM
Yes, Eyezonme, Penn Jillette’s essay was very good and very clever.

I agree with Praetorian's desire for people to just get along with each other rather than attempting to prove each other wrong. I agree that belief and proof are not the same. I don't "believe" there is a God. I also don't "know" that there is or is not a God. I do, however, wish or want there to be a God because I would welcome the comfort of knowing that all does not end with death.

So, what do I want. I would like people to be considerate of other peoples beliefs or lack of beliefs. There is no reason to dislike someone because they don’t share your opinions. I try to listen to everyone. Personally, I enjoy being proven wrong because then I’ve learned something.

EyezOnme, you appear to be an educated and interesting person. You introduce many controversial threads on OP9. Yet, you are at the same time a person of few words and a person that manages to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Is that your objective? You get people to think and express their opinions on very interesting topics yet prefer to use your comments to shock rather than convert your reader. In the process, all you do is create enemies. Is firing up people to do battle your objective? If it is you have been very successful.

Quartermaster
12-04-2005, 10:00 PM
I think it's his nature to seem trollish, but that wouldn't be his intentions, not really: he only wants to begin profusely (some would call this spam) conversation topics.

Maybe he wants to seem smart? Maybe he wants to gauge and collect others opinions so he can draw his own? Who knows?

Anyway, on the topic: It's ironic that Penn is apparently living the ideal Christain lifestyle, what with the emphasis on loving his neighbors and all.

I think I've said this before, but I'll say it again: It doesn't matter if a catyclysm comes from God, what matters is how we respond to it, the ideal response being love and aid. The only people who screech about such things (from both sides of the fence, the "GOD IS PUNISHING/GOD DOESN'T CARE" factions) are the rabble rousers whose value lies in making noise. I find it very classy of Penn to avoid such a side, and now I must go watch Bullshit.

nice gaijin
12-04-2005, 10:43 PM
This I Believe is an NPR program--there is a "listen" button right above the essay.

eyez0nme, if you insist on creating these threads, try to generate some actual discussion by including your own opinion on the subject.

Samwise
12-05-2005, 03:09 AM
The next time Eyesonme posts a thread, don't post in it.


Anyone violating this dictation will be force-fed their own legs.

Quartermaster
12-05-2005, 04:32 AM
Just put him on ignore.

That'll take care of the problem.

Zonehunter1
12-05-2005, 01:11 PM
Well apparently that isn't helping.

Gestapo Hunter
12-05-2005, 04:29 PM
Trust me I been through so much shit in Iraq as a merc I personally know there is no god.

xileh
12-05-2005, 05:53 PM
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

more cheerios
12-05-2005, 05:56 PM
Trust me I been through so much shit in Iraq as a merc I personally know there is no god.
I know marines who were in Baghdad that are still Christians.

Samwise
12-05-2005, 06:48 PM
Just put him on ignore.

That'll take care of the problem.


LALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LLALALALALALALALALALALALA

echomancer
12-05-2005, 06:56 PM
I can never tell which is more abmirable. Seeing the horrors of war and still believing in God or losing your faith. I guess it's just a difference in the amount of devotion.

I personally don't believe in the god(s) of major religions. But I also believe that it's not necessary to have a god to have an afterlife. It's just as simple as the law of physics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Life has a miraculous way to recycle things.

Quartermaster
12-05-2005, 07:58 PM
LALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LLALALALALALALALALALALALA

Instructions: Click on users name, click on "View Public Profile"

On the upper right, you'll see "Set to ignore". Setting to ignore sets your setting to ignore so you can ignore every post by the member. Set it to ignore.

Jynx_lucky_j
12-06-2005, 06:38 AM
Listen to this...its simply brillant

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557
you know you could have just added this to one of the 50,000 other religious threads. I hardly think that that article was profound enough to deserve its own subject. He didn't say anything that hasn't been said by people hear over and over again. So you don't have to belive in god to be a good person, I've never heard anyone here say that you do. Beliveing in god is just a belief. In and of itself it has no effect on how you live you life. There are good and bad belivers and there are good and bad aethist. It has about as much effect as wether or not you belive it will rain tomarrow. The only differance is tomarrow one of us will be caring an umbrella and one of us won't. But as for today, it really doesn't matter much does it?

Arctic_Slicer
12-06-2005, 10:29 AM
I am not ignorant enough to say there is no god. On that same note I am also not ignorant enough to say there is.

FireWolf238
12-08-2005, 03:43 AM
my theory is simple: if there is a god than aperantly he dosn't give a shit about this planet(he does have like 6*10^26 of them to run) cuz everything that i ever did or had it done to is a direct result of some person's action. The whole concept of wether god exists or not is stupid, it created the universe so it must be even more complex. And since we humans cant even discribe everything there is in the universe, than how can we even begin to look for something even more complex without even knowing what to look for.

Kass
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
I think that there are a sufficient number of other threads on the same topic. Post this link in one of those. :)