Computer question

[General_Failure]

I have a question about SATA and I figure SOMEONE out there knows these.

1>SATA150 drives running in raid-0-0, shouldn't it take the 2 hard drives, and see them as just one hard drive as the size of 1 hd instead of the combined space? for instance, I hooked up 2 sata 80gig drives, put them in raid-0-0 and went into windows and they showed up as 160gig, how the hell is that supposed to be faster? cause I ran a benchmark on it and it was nothing of "wow" when it came to speed.
Or did I do something wrong? ._.

2>What is the point of master and slave on SATA drives if there is no way to connect 2 SATA HD's to 1 cable? or do they make 3 plug connectors for sata drives and I just missed them?

[Idlethought]

as soon as i saw SATA i thought of Final Fantasy XI....sorry dude lol

[General_Failure]

You mean Fuidama >.> But yes, I know what you mean, go FFXI down with WoW

{Bio}tch


Stop de-railing mah topic this is info I need to know for the system I'm trying to build atm, and with a 2cpu's 2gfx cards 8 sticks of suck my balls ram I don't want a the sutpid hard drives to be my bottle neck at all >.<

{SPEED} {Can I have it?}

PS. This is mah secksy motherboard, any true geeks on the board will get a stiffy, even if you lack a penis

http://www.madnesssoft.net/ffxi/thunderfucked.jpg
I'm going to crush 3D Mark 2005 if it's the last thing I do

[thomear]

1. The advantage of RAID is that it combines the harddrives, and also their read/write speed. So you will see 2x80 gig hdds as 1x160gig. The advantage lies in the fact that when you write something to that harddrive, it will be writing to both harddrives at the same time, sharing the load between them, therefore doubling the read/write speed (that is, if it's set up properly, pretty sure you do it in BIOS). Not entirely sure about all different types of RAID but I believe there is a widely used system for 3+ harddrives which is used in servers which, in the event of the crash of one harddrive, another can be put in it's place and the data can be reconstructed from the others.

2. Not entirely sure, google it?

edit: what are the specs of your system

[General_Failure]

H'ok, well, this is the test run on my other pc while I wait for the damn powersupply to get here for the new one, cause running SATA 150 is rather new to me since I've stuck with IDE for the longest time -.-

Test mobo is an abit AT7-max2, it has SATA on the mobo

The 2 HD's are 2 80 gig SATA-150 hd's(the raid bios however is showing they are ata-100, wtf, even after a jumper swap to the correct pins)

Here is a pic of the benchmark, and I'm about to break the HD's for being a waste O money(unless I'm retarded and it isn't setup correctly)

http://www.madnesssoft.net/john/wtfnot150.jpg

PS. I thought if they were going to "share" the load it takes the 2 80 gig hard drives and makes 1 80 gig HD but the info is split between them >.<
Cause what it looks like right now is JBOD config, and that's not "high performance" at all, which is BS cause my JBOD IDE HD's scored the exact fucking same >.<

[setrict]

Raid 0 is stripe - combines the 2+ physical drives to 1 big logical drive. If either drive fails you are totally screwed and lose everything. On a GOOD raid controller it should be a bit faster. Almost all of the onboard raid setups are software based with some hardware acceleration, you'd feel the void in your wallet if you bought a good hardware raid controller.

Raid 1 is mirror - keeps the two physical drives bitwise identical. If done with a hardware controller you can get a speed boost by being able to support two read operations at one. Drawback is a typically slower write speed since there is some overhead. Software supported raid doesn't usually give you much performance gain, just a bit of redundancy in case a drive fails.

IMO the best way to utilize your hard drives is with NO raid configuration. Put OS on one, move pagefile to second drive. Split your apps based on memory usage. IF you have someting you know is going to be hitting memory HARD when you run it, put it on the main drive. Otherwise put the apps on the second drive along with the page file. That will give you more speed than any software based raid I'm familiar with.

You might also check your bios which allows for some sata legacy operation which allows the drive to look like a parallel ata drive for old software or windows installations. If you've got the drivers installed in XP you probably won't need it on - should help a tiny bit too.

[General_Failure]

Nope, since I am going dual CPU's(which 2k uses perfectly besides 2003 which I tried for a month and wiped it) and want a good mouse(the whole xp 8bit thing for mice sucks) and have stability between everything(I've had no luck with windows XP or XP pro, bluescreens etc, it fucking sucks and looks like a teletubby) I'm sticking with windows 2k pro

And you see the bench marks, they are shitty, don't even measure up to 150 >.<

[setrict]

Yeah, those are pretty bad burst speeds... that's more what I'd hope from a sustained read on Raid 0, it should burst much faster. I guess you've updated the raid firmware, and motherboard bios?

Testing program is bursting a small file, smaller than cache mem?

You might also poke around for NCQ setting on the drive under windows 2000 device manager (I can't remember if it's the drive, or the controller properties). SATA doesn't support it, but since 2k thinks the highpoint is a SCSI controller sometimes it enables it. I've had that cause slow access before and weird errors).

[General_Failure]

Updates:
VIA Updated
HPT37x Updated
Flashed to newest Abit Bios.... Updated
Performance? I fling poo at this mobo >.<

Yes, I agree those benchmarks are shit shit shit shit shit, that's why I was posting around here since 70% of you are geeks like me, but some are more into this area than I am.

But, I was reading around and found out I'm not the only one having this problem with VIA motherboards, guess they just suck monkey nuts, oh well, at least my new Tyan Thunder mobo won't have this problem at all, since it isn't VIA(I HATE YOU VIA YOU BAsTARDS) and it's based on nvidia instead

Oh well, I can connect up to 10 hard drives to this motherboard(4IDE slots and 2 SATA= 10 HD's ^^), guess I'll just hook 10 500 gig HD's to the bitch in JBOD them down to 5 and have 5tera of room to store mah anime! >.> cause that's all this computer is going to do after the new ones power supply gets here. Oh and run my private ragnarok server, lol...

[Shadowknight]

I have yet to find a consensus if RAID provides a noticable boost in performance. Some people say yes, some no, both sides provide enough technical info to make me scratch my head. Some say to split up 1 drive into multiple partitions and place different file types on them. Some say use 1 drive as a boot and the second as a data drive.

When I used RAID I noticed a more zippy performance when loading games, but the rest of the time, how much are you really going to use it? I bought a Samsung drive because it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quieter than my old Maxtor and WD. Both the Maxtor and the WD failed. I try to be thrifty, so I usually just stick with one drive and back it up to CD/DVD every 6 months. I bought a Raptor when I thought the Samsung was damaged by overheating, but switched back after I proved the drive was stable. The Raptor is noticably faster, but as I don't game that much, I decided I would rather have inaudible seek noise vs. the Raptor. I'm still switching back and forth to decide which I prefer. Speed vs. noise. If I use both, I'll need to buy another Smartdrive 2002 so I can minimize the noise levels coming out from both drives. Putting a drive on foam reduces the vibrational and seek noise, but you need an enclosure to help decrease noise past that point.

[General_Failure]

Click for index of HD (http://www.madnesssoft.net/john/anime.html)

That's why I need lots of room(and speed), and yes, I do lots of backups(only complete shows)

And it just pisses me off that all this technology to make shit faster, but we are still getting fucked over in the HD side, although it would be nice to just load the entire game into ram, even though I have 4 gigs it won't cause programmers are LAZY ASS MOFO'S... what poop -.-

[decswxaqz]

The idea behind Raid 0 was that the data could be dumped anywhere on either drive, therefore you it didn't to worry as much about where it was being stord = faster. That's what I've read anyway.
Seems pointless to me though since if one HD goes, they are both dead practically.

Raid 1 is for paranoid people IMHO. Having a direct copy of your main drive. Useful if your OS goes, but you've still only got one drive for actual data in practice.

Best to have them as someone above said. One for OS and the other for backups/files/pagefile.

Wasn't raid setup for scsi (rather than IDE and SATA) devices and for admins/IT guys so it made their life easier rather than increasing performace?
4 gigs of ram? *dribble* you got a 64bit processor to go with that?

[Trump]

We had to set up a RAID system at work. I wasn't the one who worked with it directly, but we ran into problems running it at full speed. We had a customer requirement for 160MB/s and we were not making it even though the specs of the system said we should. There were some settings we had to make in windows to improve performance. I don't know exactly what they are, but try talking to the manufacturer of your RAID controller and they might be able to help you (that is what we did). Just for reference though, we were using PCI express, 4gbs fibre channel raid controller so it's some higher end equipment =)

Another thing to keep in mind, if the drives start to get full (>75% capacity) you may notice decrease in read/write performance.

[Shadowknight]

Fastest drives out there are solid state; I haven't checked their prices in a year or so, but given the last time I checked they cost $1,000 a gig most people/businesses aren't going to shell out the bucks for them.

[General_Failure]

Yeah, I believe in multple HD's and splittting the load up more than this SATA raid shit now, it's rather poopy most I could get out of this current mobo was 68meg a second(which was like a 8meg speed increases), and to me that's still good, considering DVD drives aren't even that fast and can stream a movie. but for heavy gaming(hoping the oodles of dual bursting ram will help out a bunch, and since this mobo uses NUMA(look it up if you don't know what it is) it is 2X the speed of dual bursting. And no I don't have 64 chips by name, I am running dual opterons 2.0's(cause the 2 of them was $400)

Once my powersupply gets in and I run a bench mark I'll be sure to post a pic or 2 :3

[General_Failure]

*double post I don't care I'm pissed*

FUCK SHIT SUFSKFjasklfasjsfa!

Ok, so I got the motherboard in tonight, I start to hook everything up to get it to at least see BIOS, ram vid card and cpu's, nothing else.

press the power button...


nothing...

turn it off and reset CMOS

power up again...


nothing....

WHAT THE FLIPPING FUCK... So I scream...

I decide to try swapping the gfx card out, well the only other gfx card I owned that would even fucking work is a GF2 that I've always kept on backup for shit like this, pop it in, and NOTHING AGAIN...

FUCK I HATE MOTHERBOARDS.....

I swear the japanese always seem to PISS ON MY MOTHERBOARDS AND MAKE THEM NOT WORK...until I swap 8 or 9 of them(sarcasm, but ABIT you can eat my ass, X10)

And since it's fucking 1130 at night, no tech lines are open, all I can do is write "I HATE YOU GUYS" letters to the assfucks that I bought it from... fucking shit god damnit, I can't even see if anything else doesn't work since the fucking mother board doesn't............
..............

going to work tomorrow pissed off to all high water hell... and I'm going to snap on someone I can tell already...

FUCK...

*breaks chair*