Drug use in Japan?

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Do they? Az, ever encounter 'anything' drug related? Do they dope themselves with anything? I watch a lot of anime and it recently occured to me I never see kids using drugs of any sort. The only reason it came to mind was a recent series, already finished in japan, Samurai Champloo, had a field, of cannibis or some such, catch fire and everyone got giddy. And it occured to me that's the first time I'd ever seen anything of the sort in anime. Sure there's been drug use, but never any 'real' drugs. Oh, occasionally in some old period anime, they'll have opium, or some scifi drug, which are really just plot devices, but that's not the point.

Over here it's in the culture. Where I live, it's not uncommon for teens or young adults to have smoked pot, or continue to. I know some who have abused some sort of medication out of curiosity, or out of the need to get high. There's other drugs as well, but less common. Bascially, despite the 'war on drugs', the drugs haven't noticed. In fact the prevailing attitude, where I'm from, is that pot is fine, and is fun, despite laws and authoratative warnings to the contrary.

So, drug use in Japan, is it there? Is it obvious? How big/small? How demonized are cigarettes and alcohol there? Are they big on coffee, seems they would be, if you can buy it vending machines, right? The tea there, strong? There are those energy drinks too. Do they really give you more energy?

Care to satisfy my curiosity Az, or any others who live in Japan these days and interact with the youth of the day? Thanks :)

[erbiumfiber]

From what I can tell, there seems to be more underaged drinking than smoking and no drug use among teenagers. You can buy alcohol even wearing a school uniform (my daughter used to buy for me) and you can still get cigarettes from a machine (something like up until midnight for some strange reason). A famous high school pitcher, Dharvesh (Iranian father) made professional last year and, at the age of 18, was "caught" smoking. The team sent him back to its home camp and his high school would not let him graduate with the class as this had been his second offense.

And yet, when you are of age, it is a smoker's paradise and you can smoke just about anywhere and drinking is not frowned upon, not even to the point of drunkeness. A greater percentage of the adult population drinks alcohol than in the US, even those people who turn bright red/purple because they lack the enzyme to help them digest alcohol.

Every now and then there is a big drug bust out at the airport. Mostly it seems to be ecstasy, maybe that is popular in clubs. The penalties are serious for drug possession/use (Pierrot is up on all that knowledge and has explained it well in the past) so people stick mainly to alcohol and cigarettes. I personally have not smelled a marijuana cigarette anytime I've been around Roppongi or Shinjuku while I've smelled plenty of pot in the US.

But, like I said, Pierrot is the best person to ask on this subject...

[Marblehead]

I've talked to some people when I've been to Japan and pot seems to have its crowd there. However, it seems they're a lot tougher than the U.S. on pot users ( '50's America again?). I've heard that meth is big but I've never seen it myself.

Kids, stay away from meth. It'll turn you into an asshole.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Yeah. Drugs.

Japanese law does not distinguish between marijuana and heroin. There is no legal difference in the penalties you face for possession. The penalties are really rough. If you are foreign, it means instant deportation with some detention at exorbitant cost and an insta-ban from visiting Japan for 5-10 years. Drugs are just a no-no here for the most part.

The ban on all these substances is thanks to the US (thanks US!) and the post-war occupation with the set of bans that the US had at the time. During the economic bubble in the 80's, amphetamines were especially big because of the long hours everyone was putting in, and became a big problem. So they cracked down on those hardcore, and you can't even buy sudafed in this country for that reason.

That said, there are several exceptions.

Hallucinogens, most specifically Mushrooms and Peyote, were available legally for purchase until 2002 I believe. In 2002, the law was revised so that you could no longer buy the actual mushrooms, but you could buy something that screwed you up equally severely with the same active ingredient. So this year in April, they changed the law again, yet you can still get hardcore hallucinogenic stuff to rock your world.

The legal drugs are fully incorporated into the culture, and are accepted without question. I can smoke at my elementary schools, for instance, and in front of the kids without problem much of the time. Drinking is a rite of passage as well as a social necessity at company gatherings, outings, family gatherings, and just about any other social event. Alcoholics abound my friends. Coffee is the nectar of the Gods here, and due to the lack of other harder uppers, it is consumed by the gallon.

I know plenty of people who do actual 'real' drugs however.

There is always at least 1 idiot a year on this program who gets caught either growing, or in possession of pot. They somehow think that despite all the warnings, everyone is kidding, and get their asses deported. Cretins.

There are plenty of Japanese who smoke pot as well, I know several very well (though have never smoked with them), and they generally get away with it because they don't talk about it, they don't show anyone they're doing it, and nobody in this country knows what it smells like. When I was sitting in a Reggae Coffee Shop and smelled the breeze running from behind the shop, I was pretty sure that the master was a fan of the pot smoking. I realized that another of the customers at my local bar was definitely a smoker when he burst out giggling and I realized I had just been dense about his constantly bloodshot eyes. One of my female friends came to me one day and talked to me how she smoked 'tobacco' out of a water-pipe, and loved it.

Clearly the stuff is around, but it's HELLISHLY expensive. Obscenely so. It's about 3-5 times more expensive than it would be in the states. And that's just ridiculous.

Harder drugs can also be found. The Yakuza (Japanese mob) sells amphetamines by the pound, and it ain't safe, and it ain't good, but it's all over. They make a lot of money on it, and every year a Japanese celebrity or somesuch will be caught with amphetamines, or some other drug.

LSD, Ecstacy, etc. can generally be found at clubs. I would never ask around for it, but less intelligent friends of mine have no problem doing it, and indicate that it is around.

Hippies generally have shit too. Out in the middle of nowhere, they'll have drum circles and whatnot, and you'd better bet they have stuff to make their minds a tad bit altered when doing so. In Hokkaido, pot grows in the wild, and pretty-much anywhere in the middle of nowhere, you can grow some pot on a mountainside, and collect it at your own leisure if you're not stupid about it.

I've done a hell of a lotta stuff in my life, but I don't do it here. It's just foolish. I do the pseudo-legal hallucinogens a bunch, because, well, they're fun and they're my favourite of favourite drugs. Beyond that, I drink and smoke like a mo-fo, and consume caffeine like it's my job. That has little to do with substuting other stuff with the legal things so much as being in Japan where everyone is doing 'em and it's hard to avoid.

But yeah, if you do drugs in Japan, you're not going to announce it to the world, and you're certainly not going to make a big deal about it.

[h2orowe]

What the fuck! They have weed and heroin on the same level!

That's like
Jimmy oh my god, you have a stick in your hand!
Jordan! You have a Nuke in your hand!
Both of you are expelled!

[Pierrot le Fou]

No, actually, it's not. It's called a zero tolerance policy. And it's pretty damned effective considering the relatively low pot use in Japan compared to the rest of the world.

[h2orowe]

Pot isn't bad though, sure it's annoying sometimes if you're sober (pretty much the only sober person in the house... like me) and everyone else is either drunk or stoned "Hey, lets eat all the food. Blame the fat kid!" (I'm the fat kid -.-) .

I don't think the halluceneigins (w/e sp) should be even remotely legal, pot should be, or at least slightly legal, like in Cali, it's 35 dollar fine for less than an ounce.

I know this stuff.... yet I don't smoke.... it's because I live with like 3 or 4 pot heads out of 7 people in the house....

[KojiroTakenashi]

Again how I can compare Japan societally to 50's America

[h2orowe]

The Fanzu?

[Pierrot le Fou]

Hoo boy. This is gonna turn into a drug debate...

Nobody has ever died directly from hallucinogens to the best of my knowledge and research. Nobody has ever died directly from marijuana (unless they smoked it and died from cancer). However, marijuana is addictive, and hallucinogens are not. It'd be really really hard to take hallucinogens every day. Really hard. And they wouldn't work too well.

Do not demonize that which you do not understand.

[silentplummet]

I wonder if there is anyone around here I could trust to take care of me if one day I decided to back down on my principles and take some hardcore fucked up shit.

Like what if I was alone in my house and a leprechaun convinced me I had to disembowel myself to get the pot of gold? What then?

[h2orowe]

I've heard plenty of stories about people getting brain fucked from Hallucenegetics (Sp once again). My brother did shrooms with two of his friends once, one of the girls had a crazy trip, and if they weren't there, she could have seriously hurt herself.

Pot, noone has died from. I've heard people go crazy, and get brain damage and shit from Hallucenagetics, maybe there is some that I don't know about that don't cause these, but the ones I'm somewhat informed about can fuck you up pretty bad. I don't want to get in a debate I'm just saying though. I'm too lazy right now to get in a debate, and you're smarter than me because one you're older, and two most of the posts I've seen you make (well all) have been intelligent.

[Pierrot le Fou]

Then you would be certifiably insane rather than on hallucinogens, and would likely try to disembowel yourself with an ice cream scoop and fail miserably.

Hallucinogens are VASTLY misunderstood. While it is possible to lose reality and disappear into another world, it takes a Hell of a lot of drugs, the perfect setting and state of mind, and you're not going to be moving much because it will likely be all in your head.

Hallucinogens visually make your perception of light and dark a little screwed, which makes you see things in shadows and colours that aren't actually there. Pavement and whatnot breathes, as an optical illusion, like a highway on a hot day when it looks wet. Simple changes like that are the most common.

You can see a car while tripping, and your mind will scream, "Giant Cat!" not because you ACTUALLY think the car is a cat, but because of the shape of the car, or SOMETHING, your mind immediately associated it with a cat. You can have auditory hallucinations (hearing things that aren't there) but again those are generally based on sounds that are actually present. So you might hear a whisper in the wind, or a cheering crowd from traffic noise.

Sometimes there's a blending of senses, so you 'feel' colours, or 'see' sound.

To achieve the sort of total separation from your regular self and enter a different world you need to take a whole bunch of hallucinogens, get in the right state of mind, surround yourself with the right atmosphere, close your eyes, and go into your brain. That's the only place you might talk to a leprechaun, but it's much more likely you'll end up talking to some glowing ethereal creature that is somehow talking to you in a way you can't describe in a forum post.

Hallucinogens do not turn your world into Who Framed Roger Rabbit, they won't make you think that you're a potato and unable to move, and they won't make you think you can fly so you jump off a building. They affect your perception of various sensory inputs, and pretty-much eliminate your concept of 'self' for a few hours making them interesting on a psychological level.

Taking them alone could be a big problem if you don't trust the drug, however. Bad trips are, well, called bad trips for a reason. You can withdraw into yourself, and be trapped in a nightmare of problems you've been facing recently, seeing faults in yourself, and criticizing yourself without the ability to escape. You can get caught in loops of negative thoughts about yourself for hours, and just keep repeating the same words to the outside world without being able to communicate or do much with the people around you.

These things can happen, and it's much less likely to happen with a sober person to 'anchor' your trip in some form of reality, so that you don't leave this world if you're not ready, and just have the hallucinogens alter your perception of this one.

[h2orowe]

Well, like I said, I'm not very educated on the subject, or at least I think I said that, but my brother told me about some shit he experienced and stuff, and about his friend going on a bad trip.....

Heh, well, I'm just saying I'd choose pot over a shroom anyday!
It's your oppinion though, as long as you get high, you get high!

Hahaha, I'd defend pot for a long ass time, even though I've smoked it only once.

[mediocre]

So when heading back to japan bringing my lampbong aint the best idea, eh?


My only experience with hallucinogens (discounting marijuana for the moment), was with mushrooms. I just remember being transfixed on whatever cartoon happened to be on at the time. It was pretty neat.


And you can have bad trips on pot too; the better the weed, the more hallucinogenic it is.

[Marblehead]

I have to disagree with you on the marijuana is addictive part. I know there was a study a little over ten years ago where they had people smoke ten joints a day for several weeks and then suddenly cut them off. True, they showed signs of addiction but I think that study was unreal. Most people don't smoke that much a day. I don't know if that's the study you're refering to or not. Tell me if you heard something different.

I know from my own experience that pot isn't anywhere near as addictive as cigarettes. I've quit for a year twice and still came back to smoking. It's been a couple of months since my last cigarette and I still wouldn't mind lighting up one right now.

A while back I used to know a couple of guys who pretty much used pot as their crutch. It's pretty sad, but some people can only find comfort in weed. When you talk about addiction, do you mean that sort of mental addiction or do you mean a more physical addiction, like what is associated with heroin and morphine.

[Pierrot le Fou]

No, marijuana is nowhere near as addictive as nicotine, but I can tell you from personal as well as anecdotal experience that heavy smokers (3+ grams/week) definitely go through withdrawl of some form due to addiction (either physical or psychological).

And your brother clearly knows very little about hallucinogens if he thinks that they kill people, cause brain damage, or otherwise are very bad for you. You do realize that there are tribes in Mexico who use those things religiously on a regular basis, and don't seem to suffer any ill-effects from regular life-long usage, right?

And yes, I would highly recommend against bringing a bong over to Japan. And I'm glad you enjoyed your shrooming cartoons (it's one of my favourite hallucinogenic activities -- cartoons, surfing the net, and wandering in the woods).

[mediocre]

And I'm glad you enjoyed your shrooming cartoons (it's one of my favourite hallucinogenic activities -- cartoons, surfing the net, and wandering in the woods).


Wandering the woods? I was never one who liked to go out in public while under the influence of something other than alcohol (and for a brief period, ghb). I always got waaaay too paranoid. That would easily freak me out. Just give me a couch to sink in, and cable television.

I just remember the paranoia lasting for a bit after I quit quite the marijuana habit in college (quit cold turkey). Obviously in agreement about the cig/mari difference, I dont know a single person (personally) that quit cigarettes cold turkey.

[Marblehead]

If I every get diagnoised with a terminal illness. The first thing I'm doing is buying a pack of smokes( even if they cost $500). :p

[Pierrot le Fou]

I know a lot of people here in Japan who quit cold turkey. Freaks me out because I sure as Hell can't. Well, I mean, I did, but I don't think it counts if I start up again, which I have.

And wandering in the woods is not public really. It's the woods. There are trees. And birds. And it's fun. Walking around is great. Seeing street signs and stores is also great. Sitting by a river and skipping stones is great. Watching the foliage is tremendous. Going to the convenient store is a NIGHTMARE FROM THE BOWELS OF HELL!

Too bright.

But anyway, the point is that there is no reason to worry with hallucinogens so long as someone is making sure you look both ways before crossing the street (I don't generally do so well on large amounts of hallucinogens crossing busy streets for some reason, too much sound and lights, I get distracted and usually stick to one side). And it's fun. After the first 3 hours of hallucinogens or so, you can generally get your wits back about you (as opposed to the first 2-3 hours after they kick in and you're going to the peak and the concept of money and time are absolutely incomprehensible).

That's when you go out and converse, watch bar bottles shifting around Waking Life style.

God I love mushrooms.

[h2orowe]

Oh, my brother didn't say they kill people, I was just taking from what I've heard, plust that's what my mom's bf's son said.... well he didn't say it killed you, but he said it fucks you up.

[Pierrot le Fou]

www.erowid.org
www.thegooddrugsguide.com

Read them and learn.

[Marblehead]

www.erowid.org
www.thegooddrugsguide.com

Read them and learn.

Ahhh...this truly is the information age. :D

[spaik]

as pierre stated, hallucinogens tend to affect the stimulus input that you recieve. things that are textured will 'breath', sounds will tend to warp a bit and echo, shadows will be enhanced, then fade, then enchanced again, and patterns will seem to move over the surface of whatever they are on (lots of fun with bedsheets if they have things like boats and stuff on them).

that isn't to say that it doesn't affect the way that you think, and your reasoning abilities. however, that kind of stuff is usually reserved for either a) large doses b) people who are extremely nervous/paranoid. bad trips are mostly due to an enhanced sense of stimuli that is making you uncomfortable or whatever, for some reason. this also includes nervousness at your first time taking such a drug or whatever.

under the impressions section of the 2c-b (hallucinogen) in pihkal:

(with 64 mg) I found only mild visual and emotional effects at the 20 milligram dose, so I took the remaining 44 milligrams. I was propelled into something not of my choosing. Everything that was alive was completely fearsome. I could look at a picture of a bush, and it was just that, a picture, and it posed no threat to me. Then my gaze moved to the right, and caught a bush growing outside the window, and I was petrified. A life-form I could not understand, and thus could not control. And I felt that my own life-form was not a bit more controllable. This was from the comments of a physician who assured me that he saw no neurological concerns during this dramatic and frightening experience.

(with 100 mg) I had weighed correctly. I had simply picked up the wrong vial. And my death was to be a consequence of a totally stupid mistake. I wanted to walk outside, but there was a swimming pool there and I didn't dare fall into it. A person may believe that he has prepared himself for his own death, but when the moment comes, he is completely alone, and totally unprepared. Why now? Why me? Two hours later, I knew that I would live after all, and the experience became really marvelous. But the moment of facing death is a unique experience. In my case, I will some day meet it again, and I fear that I will be no more comfortable with it then than I was just now. This was from the comments of a psychologist who will, without doubt, use psychedelics again in the future, as a probe into the unknown.


on these overdoses, you can see that their rational and logical thought processes were altered drastically somehow. however, even undergoing such radical changes, they returned to normal. note however, that both cases were individuals who were mentally stable and experienced with such things in the first place. a bad trip can cause severe mental trauma and emotional damage in individuals who are sensitive to such things, and can cause permanent psychological damage. however, to say that it is the physiological effect of the drugs themselves (such as causing brain damage), and not the stimuli of the experience itself, would be wrong (well, you can't REALLY say for certain, as its never been thoroughly tested, and won't be, as long as it remains illegal).

for a more personal experience, i've taken 2c-i and i've had interesting experiences to say the least. first dose was rather heavy for a first time, but i enjoyed it. the visual effects were really great. if you are the type who likes to play with gadgets and stuff, you'll love the visual weirdness. lookng at your skin tends to creep some people out as the hairs wriggle and pores breath, but i loved it. mirrors tend to freak people out too as your face keeps shifting slightly and looking different, but its really cool if you are relaxed. as for the whole 'stuff that isn't there popping up', you really won't get mindbending outside of some really heavy doses. a friend of mine on nearly double my dose was looking for the truth of the world, while i just closed my eyes and listened to a jazzband play in my head.

on that note though, i've also taken the same amount, and sat around, not talking much, doing nothing but watching 80s music videos on mtv with my friends eating pizza. not many visuals (but tvs are bright and hurt my eyes after a while so i wore sunglasses) and almost no mental effect at all, other than maybe that weird sense of compressed time that you get while high on pot or something.

you'd be surprised at how 'normal' hallucinogens can be. i've had way more of an altered mental state on other drugs that aren't even hallucinogens. in fact, even though i had a huge stigma against them until i tried them, i think that hallucinogens are probably the most 'normal' and 'playfully fun' drug i've ever taken.

on that note, anyone know if 2c-i is illegal in japan? i know 2c-b is, but 2c-b is illegal almost anywhere at this point.

[l337m45t3r]

The Fanzu?

Laughs. "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiii" :cool:

[Pierrot le Fou]

I don't know. I'm going to the pseudo-legal shop tomorrow, so I'll ask about the 2c-i. I doubt it will be legal, as I think that's what they just illegalized in April, but I'm not positive. I got rocked off my socks from the last stuff I took here. Something peyote-based that had me visually screwed for about 11 straight hours. Made catching the last train home and standing amidst drunks quite the experience.

I took them at 4pm and couldn't sleep until about 8am the next day, not due to lack of being exhausted, but because my body just said 'no sleep for the weary.'

Odd day says I.

God damned government. Why can't they just let us all have our fun with hallucinogens? Most people wouldn't bother anyway. Those of us who have the itch for seeing the world in a way so divorced, yet connected, to normal reality wouldn't be hurting anyone...

[Arilou]

IIRC most of the problems with hallucinogens (the harder stuff) is that accidents become *much* more likely. The fact that no one has died *directly* doesen't matter much does it: How many has died *indirectly* from accidents and such?

[spaik]

one thing about the visuals thing is that its a matter of light sensitivity really. your pupils are huge on this stuff. bright lights hurt after a while. i recommend sunglasses, esp outside on a sunny day. normal interaction is fine as long as u stick to normal doses. on some big doses, your attention will be drawn elsewhere, either internally or externally, so it'll look like you are either spacing out or are just not interested. the anxiety from being 'discovered' can be unsettling too.

yeah long trips i find are the best as they get u used it with a gradual curve until peak. just means you gotta plan the day better.

as for hurting yourself due to the environment, its no different from being drunk. that being said, you probably dont want to drive or anything on the stuff. its actually quite controllable to an extent. you dont feel that weird sense of shifting balance that you do when drunk.

accidents from the drug use in question is hard to track. but i would reckon it would be less per user/accident than say alcohol. alcohol has disabled be way more than a hallucinogen ever has, probably because i never get paranoid or freak out while on it. its the same as any drug. once you get past a certain point, it becomes dangerous.

the 'harder' stuff is a misconception i think. i mean, one thing that hallucinogens really have going for them is that effects are very much dependent on dosage. any one doesn't really hit harder, its just that the dosage increases the intensity. anything where you increase the intensity of the effect is going to be disabling to an extent. its not like the 'harder' hitting stuff is any more or less physically shocking to your system. unlike drugs like opiates, hallucinogens are generally less physically disruptive. they won't overdrive your heart rate, or shut down nervous impulses. the drugs just don't work that way on your system, physiologically.

as for the cant sleep thing, i know what you mean. 2c-i is very stimulating. not only is there increased stimuli incoming, there must also be some sort of upper component to it. felt like i drank a red bull, popped some e, and took some lsd. nice body high and a warm feeling, visuals that were very circular and rotation oriented, along with color edge bleeding. unless you regularly sleep while wired, it'll be hard to get any rest until it all wears down. gave me a great nights sleep after though.

yeah i heard 2c-i just got listed, but wanted some confirmation. that would suck if it was though. my favorite hallucinogen by far, just cause its so mellow and gives a great physical feeling as well.

in the end, a LOT of people have misconceptions about hallucinogens. i've done everything from pot to speed to meth to cocaine, and i've always been freaked out about hallucinogens. i figured that anything like shrooms or peyote, that can be found as a natural substance HAD to be dangerous. there is a good evolutionary reason for plant defense systems, and a lot are very deadly. also, as a drug user, you hear horror stories of bad trips, people that have been psychologically destroyed from hallucinogen usage and such. people claiming that demons pop out and the entire room bleeds and melts and shadows coming to life and such horrific stuff were commonplace. what i should have learned is that anecdotal evidence is really no evidence to this kinda stuff at all, especially from people who have never taken hallucinogens, or have taken them while on other drugs at the same time.

in the end, i decided that i can't snuff it till i actually try it (the only drug that i refuse to ever ever touch is opiates, just because there's solid medical evidence on just how much it'll fuck with your system), and i was completely surprised by it. the experience is completely different from what one expects from rumor and such. i was expecting to have to wrestle to keep my wits about me, and have to struggle to keep from flipping out and thinking i wouldhave to constantly remind myself that it isn't real and just a hallucination. instead, i was finding that it was actually sharpening my wits and lowering my defenses by giving me plenty of 'cool shit' to look and laugh at, and generally have fun with.

its experimental, in the purest sense. it's like getting a bunch of neat little toys and interacting with them. for the curious, the first time is amazingly fun. you'll be absolutely blown away by the cool little things you see that are in every way, impossible, but you are seeing. i watched my computer desktop forever, because the icons would wobble and drift all over the place. my bedsheet was the best, because although the texture of the sheet remained still, the patterns would be flowing in one direction. they flowed ACROSS the stitchings and such. it was hilarious. there's no way it could be happening and yet it did. looking at my face in the mirror was a blast. you know how people are sensitive to slight differences in physical appearance and structure to faces? this coupled with the effects of the drugs made it seem like someone was doing composite blending with my face and the faces of tons of other people, constantly. personally, i think the people who enjoy hallucinogens the most are people who are logical and rational, and are those types of people that go 'did you see that? that was so fuckin cool!' when they see something impressive or unexpected.

side note: things about drug use that piss me off. people who smoke pot, but don't smoke cigs who look down on cig smokers cause its bad and gives you cancer. WTF? i'm sorry but if you smoke as much volume of pot as you do cigs, then you are gonna get cancer. breathing in smoke and ash is destroying your lungs, don't kid yourself. its about how much exposure. those selfrighteous bastards need to get their heads on straight.

[Pierrot le Fou]

I've done a boatload of substances like you, and the opiates in addition, and those are the only ones that ever made me think, 'I could really get myself in trouble with these...' beyond something I felt I could relatively control (like my massive alcohol consumption).

My favourite hallucinogen is mescaline (when I'm up for it) because of the wonderful fractals you get shooting outward like stars, but not really. Ugh. Hard to describe the patterns well. Mushrooms are pretty soft rounded ones with relatively curved geometric shapes. LSD is a lot harder, but still subtle shapes (like only mildly spiked hexagons), but Peyote is this multi-pronged spiked beast with little things shooting off the sides and the most intense breathing.

Wonderful.

Of course I think the mescaline I took last had 2c-i in it, which probably taints my memory a little bit. But even so, regular mescaline is pretty damned potent. Ugh. Wonderful if you're having a good time, but very long and strong if you aren't.

I also think you're dead-on about the types of people who enjoy hallucinogens. It isn't the altered reality that is interesting so much as HOW reality is altered, and a non-rational mind would be disappointed because the change in reality isn't that huge so much as the way it changes being so cool. And that's the amazing part.

[PopCulturePooka]

Back to the Japan thing, anybody who has spent time around fujisawa-enoshima, with anybody in the gajin/gaijin groupie/surfing Japanese crowd would have little difficulty scoring pot.

That shit was rampant down there, even in those Summer Beach Shanty bar things, which is an incredibly stupid thing to do considering how populated they are on a warm summers night.

[spaik]

well i don't know about the 2c-i lacing. 2c-i has a body high and makes you feel bloated. gives you gas too. but yeah, mescaline itself is gonna trip for like 12hrs in the first place. coulda just been an upper with the mescaline or maybe you were just hyper cause of the experience.

one thing i liked a lot about 2c-i was that i could 'turn it off' if i wasn't liking it, just by calming down, sitting down and watching some tv or something. wearing sunglasses cuts the visuals a lot, and that helps too. its all about mindset anyways.

man, talking drugs makes me feel old. i dont do any of the crazy shit anymore. i dont even smoke pot regularly and bc has the best stuff. meth and all that junk just fucks with your body too much, and quite frankly, it isn't fun a lot of the time. all i do is drink and smoke, maybe some 2c-i or pot if someone has some and offers. you know youre old when u stop thinking u are invincible and shit haha.

[hanacker]

Hallucinogens, most specifically Mushrooms and Peyote, were available legally for purchase until 2002 I believe. In 2002, the law was revised so that you could no longer buy the actual mushrooms, but you could buy something that screwed you up equally severely with the same active ingredient. So this year in April, they changed the law again, yet you can still get hardcore hallucinogenic stuff to rock your world.


Yeah, it was late 2002 that mushrooms became illegal. I remember late that summer seeing a handwritten sign on the road for mushroom sales ("majikku mashuru-mu" maybe) with a price listed. I read an article about the ban around the same time so maybe it was someone trying to unload his stash.

[unmodify]

Wow, 31 1 posts in less than a day, amazing. Thanks for all the info, it's just what I wanted to know...and then some. Thank you :)

[4letterwords]

I was in the car with my best friend (I picked her up from a party) and she was WAY fucked up on shrooms... anyway, We got in the car and after she shut the door she leaned over like she was gonna fall outa the door and slammed against it and kept complaining that the door melted off and she had to climb over me to get back home... OK...

[hapacheese]

I was in the car with my best friend (I picked her up from a party) and she was WAY fucked up on shrooms... anyway, We got in the car and after she shut the door she leaned over like she was gonna fall outa the door and slammed against it and kept complaining that the door melted off and she had to climb over me to get back home... OK...

Reason #3,784 not to do hallucinogenic drugs.


My roommate in college was a chronic... uh... chronic smoker. The funny part was, no matter what he took (even something like alcohol), it would fuck him up beyond belief. He came home completely toasted once, tried to pour himself a glass of water and spilled it on the floor. He started shouting for me and our other roommate to help him (we thought he was going to die, he sounded so desperate). But, when we got there, he was staring at the water on the floor form like 3 inches away. And when we tried to wipe it up, he stopped us, and said, "No man... Let it grow. Let it groooooooow..."

I made the mistake of taking his ass to Japan once, and we got drunk at a friend's place. One of our friends got into an argument with his girl, and took off (drunk) on his motorcycle. I tried to stop him, but he just took off. So, I went back in. A few minutes later, we got a phone call from him at the local police station. They were holding him until he sobered up (and for whatever reason, didn't arrest him). But, my roommate, being a total freak, started shouting about how the cops were racist and that they were going to beat him. So, he gets up, runs outside in -2 degree (celcius) weather and tries to run to find him. I tackled him on the steps, then he looked up, felt his own chest, and panicked. He couldn't feel his own heartbeat (because he was wearing 2 sweaters and a down jacket). He was convinced that he was dead, and that we were sitting on the stairway to heaven. Oh, and he later tried feeling up my leg because he thought it was one of the girls'. And this was just off alcohol.

Ah, the memories.

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and then some....haha, good times last forever

[Pierrot le Fou]

He sounds like he may have a few problems beyond substances.

Just a wager.

The only guy I know who freaked out like that turned out to be schizophrenic.

[spaik]

Ah, schizophrenia. The wonderful classification for all the "uh, we don't really know what to classify this mess as, but it's obvious he has some fuckin' issues" cases.

But yeah, stay away from drugs if you are a head case or just react to them badly. Hell, I have a friend who is a violent drunk. He's perfectly normal and quiet, mild mannered and even shy, while sober. Get him drunk, and the slightest thing can set him off, and then he wants to throw down.

[hapacheese]

Nah, he's not. He's just really, really weird. I mean, the guy would use the same plate over and over again without washing it. He simply put it in the fridge after every use. He absolutely *refused* to wash dishes. We ran out of spoons (I spent most of my time at my gf's, so I didn't care), so he took the wooden cooking spoons and cut the handles off with a steak knife. Then, when we ran out of those, he tore the corner off a *used* cardboard box to use as a spoon.

Oh, and when his plate was too raunchy to use? He used a frisbee as a plate. That lasted until he tried to microwave something. You know how hard it is to get melted frisbee out of a microwave?!

At the above-mentioned party, though, we were near a train track. When the train went by, he started asking me, "Is that the train? Can the train take me to weed???"

He looked so earnest, that I had to just pat him on his head and let him down easy.

[Pierrot le Fou]

He really honestly sounds like a head case hapa. Not 'just a little weird.' But that's just me and my experience with functional drug users, and people who are screwed and just use drugs enough such that people think it's the drugs, rather than the person. Oy...

[hapacheese]

Oh, I don't doubt that he has some sort of mild psychological affliction, but nothing that is detrimental to his day to day functions. He's crazy *without* drugs, so I've never attributed it to that. It just comes out more when he's high.

It's scary to think he's in law school now.

(The guy also tried to get my other roommate to drink a cup of cooking oil. So the other guy said, "Fine, I'll drink it if you eat a bar of soap." So, the crazy roommate went to the bathroom, opened up a fresh box of soap and took a *huge* bite out of it. He was wretching for about 10 minutes after... Fun stuff, man. Fun stuff.)

[novacane]

I once talked to this Japanese kid fresh from Japan about it and he told me about a type of pot (I forgot its name) that was popular and circulating among his friends and other crowds.

On the other hand, my cousin tells me that pot is really expensive in Japan so not a lot of people smoke it.

[spaik]

pot in japan seems to be really low quality too. same thing goes for korea. my cousin was like 'i tried pot once in korea. its so expensive, and it didn't do anything for me.' i was like '...' and got him some bc bud. one joint and he was absolutely toasted like a quiznos sub.

[D-pad]

pot in japan seems to be really low quality too. same thing goes for korea. my cousin was like 'i tried pot once in korea. its so expensive, and it didn't do anything for me.' i was like '...' and got him some bc bud. one joint and he was absolutely toasted like a quiznos sub.
lol.................quizno's rules

[co_delphi]

Although it has nothing to do with drugs in Japan, I must depart the small amount of knowledge I do have. Hallucinogens are great. Many days have I spent shrooming and watching the history channel or the discovery channel. Only once have I ever gotten visuals and that one time was pretty damn cool. The only complaint I have was from LSD. I've been told that it is caused by too much strychnine in the mix, but all I know is I was smiling for 10 hours straight. Funny thing about the muscles in your face..... you never notice that they are even there, until you have a shit eating grin on your face for 10 hours. Granted that isn't life threatening, but it 8is enough reason for me to stick to shrooms. (also good warning to any of you deciding to try them out after reading this) it is pretty much a guarentee you will develop an interesting personal funk when using shrooms or LSD..... at times it can become unbearable to smell yourself, but hopefully you will be too distracted to tell.

[4letterwords]

One of my best friends in Japan smokes weed a LOT... a lot a lot... Granted he's in a gang... but I don't think gang members are the only ones who do drugs. This particular kid was an exchange student in the states and he complained a lot about the quality of American pot. Now, I don't know many teenagers that HAVEN'T at least TRIED pot in the states... actually, the night before graduation I went to a party and then I got hot-boxed in the back seat of a GEO with the salutorian and her best friend :D... ah, the red white and blue.

[spaik]

actually i complain a lot about the quality of american pot too.