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eyez0nme
11-17-2005, 08:25 PM
if eaten in prolonged period of time--everyone knows that:



Since President Richard Nixon declared a "war on cancer" in 1972, that "war" has become a losing battle. Every year, billions of dollars are spent on cancer research, detection, and treatment in the United States, yet cancer remains one of our nation's top killers.

Fortunately, there's something we can do about it. According to the World Health Organization, up to 40 percent of all cancers are preventable, and one-third of all cancer deaths in the U.S. can be attributed to nutritional factors, according the American Cancer Society (ACS).

Vegan diets maximize the foods that help us fight cancer-fiber-packed grains and beans and phytochemical-packed fruits and vegetables-and minimize the foods that cause cancer. Combine these two factors, according to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and the scientific evidence is clear: "Vegetarians are about 40 percent less likely to get cancer than nonvegetarians, regardless of other risks such as smoking, body size, and socioeconomic status."

One study compared cancer rates of vegetarians and meat-eaters in 34,000 Americans. The results showed that those who avoided meat, fish, and poultry had dramatically lower rates of prostate, ovarian, and colon cancer compared to meat-eaters.

An 11-year-long German study involving more than 800 vegetarian men found their cancer rates were less than half those of the general public. The lowest cancer rates were found in those who had avoided meat for 20 years or more. Studies in Japan and Sweden also have shown lower risk among vegetarians. It seems that with every bite of meat, we increase our risk of cancer. Luckily, we can eliminate animal products from our diets and replace them with vegetable proteins that can protect our health instead of harm it.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, arguably the foremost epidemiological researcher alive today, argues that animal proteins are the prime carcinogen in meat and dairy products. Says Dr. Campbell, "[H]uman studies also support this carcinogenic effect of animal protein, even at usual levels of consumption. No chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein."

But fat is a culprit, too: Higher-fat diets raise estrogen levels, whereas plant-based diets keep it at a safe level, which doesn't promote the growth of cancer cells. Luckily, fiber-a nutrient plentiful in vegetarian diets-helps our bodies eliminate excess estrogen, thus cutting cancer risk.

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Modern methods of raising animals for food have made matters even worse for meat-eaters. Antibiotics, hormones, heavy metals, dioxins, and various other compounds are raising the risk of cancer.

Because chickens are raised in such crowded and unhealthy conditions, they are very susceptible to disease, so in an attempt to keep them alive through conditions that would otherwise kill them, farmers feed them an array of antibiotics, including one that contains the most toxic form of arsenic. A report from the U.S. Department of Agriculture-published in Environmental Health Perspectives in January 2004-revealed that chicken contains three to four times more potentially poisonous arsenic than other poultry and meats. Eating a typical 2 ounces of chicken a day means ingesting 3.6 to 5.2 micrograms of cancer-causing arsenic.

And arsenic isn't the only thing you need to worry about the next time someone offers you a chicken leg. More than 95 percent of our exposure to dioxin, a well-known carcinogen, comes from eating animal products (the rest is environmental; none comes from vegan foods). Researchers with the Institute of Medicine have even recommended that school cafeterias offer more foods that are low in animal fat so that children aren't exposed to unhealthy levels of dioxins, dangerous byproducts of industrial and natural combustion that can accumulate in body fat. According to Michael Taylor of Resources for the Future, "The most direct way to reduce dietary exposure to dioxins is to reduce consumption of animal fat." Remember, more than half the calories of even the leanest chicken comes from fat.

Fish, in addition to containing concentrated (and carcinogenic) animal protein, is often very high in environmental contaminants. Fish commonly contains mercury, dioxins, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), and other organochlorine pesticides. These contaminants, which have been linked to cancer and other health problems, tend to accumulate in body fat and remain in the body for decades.

In fact, 80 to 90 percent of dietary pesticide exposure, as well as 100 percent of dietary hormone and dioxin exposure, comes from eating animal products, and many of these chemicals are known to cause cancer in human beings.

Finally, additional carcinogens form when meat is cooked. These cancer-causing chemicals, specifically called heterocyclic amines, are found in cooked red and white meats, including fish and poultry. In fact, the amount found in grilled chicken is 15 times higher than in hamburger or steak.





Stomach and Esophageal Cancer

Doctors at Yale University found that a high fat intake, animal protein, and cholesterol-found only in animal products-were associated with a higher risk of stomach and esophageal cancer. "We found that many animal-based nutrients are strongly associated with risk of developing these types of cancers," says Yale's Dr. Susan Mayne. "[P]revention strategies should emphasize increased consumption of plant foods, decreased consumption of foods of animal origin ..."

Breast Cancer

The American Dietetic Association reports that breast cancer is most prevalent in countries where women consume animal-based diets. For example, in Asia, where they consume a small fraction of the chicken, pork, beef, and dairy products that we do in the West, breast cancer is almost unheard of. T. Colin Campbell, who headed up the landmark China Study and found the consumption of animal protein diets linked to cancer and heart disease, says that China is "a country that is successfully feeding a billion people primarily on plant derived food but so far avoiding much of the major diseases affecting Western countries." However, when women emigrate to the West and adopt a Western diet high in animal products, their cancer rates increase. Dr. Dean Ornish explains, "In Japan and other countries where the consumption of animal fat is much lower, breast cancer is rare. It's not because their genes are different. When Japanese women move to the United States and begin consuming a high-fat diet, they develop breast cancer at about the same rate as Americans-more than 400 percent higher than in Japan."

Prostate Cancer

A study comparing the dietary habits of men in 32 countries found that the highest risk factors for prostate cancer mortality were meat and dairy products. By contrast, another study of men diagnosed with prostate cancer showed that a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and grains can slow or even halt the progression of the disease. The ACS, which has launched a "Five a Day" program encouraging people to eat more fruits and vegetables, believes that the "intake of saturated fat-animal fat from red meat and dairy products-is associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer."

Jay
11-17-2005, 08:27 PM
Stop. Making. Threads. About. Every. Single. Little. Thing.

No. One. Gives. A. FUCK.

Loc
11-17-2005, 08:33 PM
Sorry to go off topic but that is the best post ever Jay. XD

Scientists think everything causes cancer these days, the next day it cures it or something...

mrpwase
11-17-2005, 08:36 PM
Even if vegans don't die of cancer...a) they'll die of something else and b) they get to eat lima beans for life. Whoopee. I'll be over here eating steak and enjoying it if anyone wants me.

Admiral Luis
11-17-2005, 08:50 PM
shit i'm fucked. i eat fish about once a month, the other days ... meat. lots of meat. meat makes you strong. fish is for pussys

Kaji
11-17-2005, 08:50 PM
Even if vegans don't die of cancer...a) they'll die of something else and b) they get to eat lima beans for life. Whoopee. I'll be over here eating steak and enjoying it if anyone wants me.

Amen. I'd rather enjoy a steak than choke down a boca burger.

Aria
11-17-2005, 08:57 PM
If we weren't meant to be eating meat, we'd have teeth like horses.

Jay
11-17-2005, 09:00 PM
If we weren't meant to be eating meat, Ma Nature wouldn't have invented sheep and pigs and cows.

Wankey!
11-17-2005, 09:00 PM
I'd rather die of cancer than not eat meat.

mrpwase
11-17-2005, 09:42 PM
I'd rather die of cancer than not eat meat.
Exactly. I'll worry about dying when I get closer to the point where it's likely. :P

Dresh
11-18-2005, 12:46 AM
The only meat I worry about eating is red meat because 99% of the time it contains a chemical additive called Sodium Nitrite that increases one's risk of contracting cancer by 700%. As far as I know the only purpose Sodium Nitrite serves is to give the meat that appealing red colour.

fa11en87
11-18-2005, 12:50 AM
meat is great..especially beef=)

Sangokyu
11-18-2005, 12:52 AM
We're all gonan die anyway - I say enjoy life, and that means... EAT MEAT!

stoningcrows
11-18-2005, 01:04 AM
the point is cancer was not completely eliminated even for the vegetarians. I wouldn't say that meat CAUSES cancer, I'm sure that taking antioxidants would help in reducing the chance of cancer as well.

Firebaall
11-18-2005, 02:00 AM
Hell, even watching PETA videos makes me want a burger. I don't think a half assed "study" is going to change the diets of man anytime soon. BBQ time!

Komachi Angel
11-18-2005, 02:05 AM
Just because you don't eat meat, it doesn't somehow magically mean you are immune to cancer. Cancer does come in many forms, for example, and no matter how much green-matter you eat, it won't halt the 10 pack a day addiction to smoking, for one.

I think a lot of people doing that sort of thing purely on the basis of cancer prevention expect they will then have NO chance of getting cancer, which is just not the case. Some people will get it, some won't, and Eddy the vegetarian that ends up with cancers will still be asking 'why me?'.

I am all for people that want to be vegetarian, but things like this just seem a bit too much sometimes. I can understand taking various small steps to prevent it, but cutting out all meat is a bit over the top. Especially since meat gives you valuable protein etc. as well.

And who is to say a scientist in a year or so doesn't come out and asy 'oh, we were wrong!'.

EmilyElle
11-18-2005, 02:11 AM
Bullshit. Everything causes cancer. They do put sodium nitrite in packaged meats like lunchmeats and bacon, which is a known carcinogen, though.

...I guess I'm contradicting myself there. But I'm not going to stop eating meat.

Annoying MSN Person
11-18-2005, 02:40 AM
Meat isn't all that amazing.
Cancer is a fucking bitch.
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Komachi Angel
11-18-2005, 02:59 AM
>Meat isn't all that amazing.

Neither is the link between not eating it and getting cancer.

>Cancer is a fucking bitch

that happens regardless.

Anubis Nine
11-18-2005, 03:21 AM
Eh, I don't like a lot of meats other than poultry or fish, and the fish I get is mostly fresh and frozen rather than from a company. So I'm not scared.

RDClip
11-18-2005, 03:32 AM
Every damn thing in the world causes cancer!!! Maybe we are supposed to die of cancer.

eyez0nme
11-18-2005, 04:11 AM
Over 90 percent of the disease we acquire are inherited from food we consume.

Meat causes cancer? No--if you eat meat everyday you'll get stroke, heart attack, diabetes, all other 32 disease--and, oh yes, cancer. Do you really want to be paraylized, the motion of the hands and feet truncated, face contorted like a mentally retarded patient, drooling and jittering along? Do you really want to be hobbling because the doctors had to cut off one foot, and wind up with two pairs of blind eyes? Do you really want to die, slowly and painfully, gurgling blood, at the age of 32--or do you want to die peacefully, with less pain, whether by old age, car accident, gun shot wound, etc? Well go right ahead and chow down. Christ, even I can't help eating fried, fatty, oily, sugary, salty food. It's an addiction.

If I was given I choice, I would rather have all the cows, pigs, and chickens in the world, and no vegetation or any type of plants. Just land, water, and meat. Greens are useless--that's why we shove it aside from our plate.

Anubis Nine
11-18-2005, 04:13 AM
As well as from medications that we're given to 'get better'.

The steroid they use in the orange puffers for asthmatics causes cancer supposedly.

I stay away from steroids.

ellie
11-18-2005, 05:11 AM
Stop. Making. Threads. About. Every. Single. Little. Thing.

No. One. Gives. A. FUCK.

Harsh, but agreed.

Psychochink
11-18-2005, 05:32 AM
Harsh, but agreed.

Thirded. Dear God, can somebody take away his thread-starting privileges for a while. I wouldn't care if there was some kind of - oh, I don't know - contribution beng made, but has the guy actually posted in a thread (even one of the ones he started).

Edit: I'm all for stimulating discussion, but if you're going to try to do that, then at least follow through on it.

Pretentious
11-18-2005, 05:37 AM
Oh cool, it's just hippy vegan garbage.

For a minute there, I thought there was going to be some actual weight behind it.

nice gaijin
11-18-2005, 12:04 PM
I'm not going to respond to this thread; not because the idea behind the original post is wrong, but this is clearly the wrong place to try and discuss things of a serious nature.

the truth is devasting sometimes. Eat meat until you die; it won't be too long.

Hey, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade when they try to enjoy a steak. Just please don't delude yourself. If I go into greater detail you just might lose your appetite.

edit//well looks like i responded below anyways, i guess i shouldn't make promises like this when i drink!

Jai
11-18-2005, 01:54 PM
Vegan diet?

Id rather EAT (other) SHIT AND DIE :D

There is nothing more like heaven on earth than a medium rare eye fillet steak, creamy mushroom sauce, chips and a beer.

Jon885
11-18-2005, 04:37 PM
I'm not sure about the health risks of eating meat but how do you morally defend eating meat? I'm never able to come up with an answer and I would like to hear one.

Jai
11-18-2005, 04:52 PM
Id say we can morally eat meat because its a natural thing to do. Food chain and all that jazz. The human body is built to break down and digest animal tissues just as its built to break down vegetable matter.

Right back at ya. How do you morally question it?

Samwise
11-18-2005, 04:58 PM
Stop. Making. Threads. About. Every. Single. Little. Thing.

No. One. Gives. A. FUCK.

QFE'D.



Also- I like my cancer on a bun.

Jon885
11-18-2005, 05:48 PM
Id say we can morally eat meat because its a natural thing to do. Food chain and all that jazz. The human body is built to break down and digest animal tissues just as its built to break down vegetable matter.

Right back at ya. How do you morally question it?

It's just that killing an animal doesn't sit well with me. Other animals kill and eat other animals because they don't really have a choice or they'll die. I eat meat but I still feel sort of bad about it. It just tastes so good.

B MacD
11-18-2005, 05:50 PM
Over 90 percent of the disease we acquire are inherited from food we consume.

Malaria? HIV/AIDS? Leukeima? TB? Parkinson's? MS? Hodgkins? Heart Disease? Colitis/IBS? Arthritis? Alzheimers? Please tell me which food causes arthritis.

Samwise
11-18-2005, 06:04 PM
Malaria? HIV/AIDS? Leukeima? TB? Parkinson's? MS? Hodgkins? Heart Disease? Colitis/IBS? Arthritis? Alzheimers? Please tell me which food causes arthritis.

That would be the food of you Heathens who have not yet accepted Jesus as lord and savior.

mrpwase
11-18-2005, 06:35 PM
Tofu. Tofu causes arthritis. I mean, what else does it do?

nice gaijin
11-18-2005, 11:08 PM
Actually, foods that are high in fat, cholesterol, and protein are a cause of arthritis. In numerous tests, when sufferers of crippling rheumatoid were put on low fat, low cholesterol and moderate protein diets (vegetarian), their symptoms would disappear almost altogether. After being put back on the normal high fat diet for a few days, the pain would return. The connection between Gouty Arthritis and diet is crystal clear, and is recognized by the Arthritis Foundation. Not as much research has been done to connect diet to the other forms of arthritis (lupus, erythematosus, ankylosing spondylitis) because almost all of the money goes towards drug research, but the evidence strongly suggests that diets very low in saturated fat, low in protein, high in fiber, and without any cholesterol provide overwhelming protection against arthritis, and is the most effective treatment for it.

49% of the calories in tofu are fat, which is the highest for any legume (the average is under 10%); it is certainly not a low-fat food. A lean sirloin steak, on the other hand, is 83% calories as fat. That's slightly higher than bacon.

I've got data for osteoporosis, atherosclerosis (heart disease), strokes, high blood pressure (hypertension) and blood-cholesterol rates, diabetes, hypoglycemia, multiple sclerosis, ulcers, constipation and other intestinal problems, obesity, kidney stones, gallstones, anemia, asthma, salmonellosis, the onset of premature puberty, and of course cancer of the breast, prostrate, pancreas, colon, cervix, endometrium (uterus), ovaries, and lung (yes, lung) and all of these ailments' relation to diets high in fat, cholesterol, and protein (such as the "standard" American diet).

Id say we can morally eat meat because its a natural thing to do. Food chain and all that jazz. The human body is built to break down and digest animal tissues just as its built to break down vegetable matter.

Right back at ya. How do you morally question it?
I'm sorry but where did you get this idea that the human body is built to break down meat? The bowels of a carnivore are wide, straight, and smooth like a stovepipe. Human bowels are curved, narrow, puckered and longer, much better suited to extract nutrients from grains and vegetables. Putrefying flesh remains too long in the human bowel, and is one of the causes of problems in the intestinal tract, including but not limited to colon cancer. It's also one of the reasons we require a high amount of fiber in our diet, of which meat provides none.
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Lea
11-19-2005, 01:20 AM
They say everything causes cancer. Now meat? Please.

I don't even really like meat. I try to avoid it anyway.

nice gaijin
11-19-2005, 02:35 AM
This data is not new; the book that first got me interested in the link between degenerative diseases and nutrition was written in '84. There are many things that can cause cancer; nutrition is the one factor we have the most control over.

eyez0nme
11-19-2005, 07:50 AM
Unfortunatly no. How can we have control over something we're addicted to?

nice gaijin
11-19-2005, 08:16 AM
we have more control over what we eat than what we breathe. Addictions are hard to kick, but that doesn't make it impossible.

dzee
11-19-2005, 09:06 AM
can't eat this, can't eat that :(

and i'm just looking for the least painful way to die.

i'd decided on suicide to control the way i die, then the fear of going to hell (i'm a free-thinker, but that's just because i believe in almost what i know of every religion's trivia) got me.

49% of the calories in tofu are fat, which is the highest for any legume (the average is under 10%); it is certainly not a low-fat food.

i like tofu. i thought it was healthy, and couldn't do anything much to me. so cereal, veg and fruits are good for us? that's been stressed so often.
OT, but where does coffee come in? how's it going to kill me?

nice gaijin
11-19-2005, 10:11 AM
tofu is still relatively healthy; although it gets half its calories from fat, the total calorie content is fairly low. Moreover, the fat is polyunsaturated, which isn't nearly as bad for you as the saturated fat present in meat. Coffee won't kill you in moderate doses, but it is still an addictive drug and isn't exactly healthy. here's a snip from the Harvard Health Journal:
For those who drink coffee to stay alert, new research suggests that you'll stay more alert, particularly if you are fighting sleep deprivation, if you spread your coffee consumption over the course of the day. For instance, if you usually drink 16 ounces in the morning, try consuming a 2-3 ounce serving every hour or so. Again, moderation is the key.

However, as the September issue notes, coffee is not completely innocent. Caffeine, coffee's main ingredient is a mild addictive stimulant. And coffee does have modest cardiovascular effects such as increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, and occasional irregular heartbeat that should be considered. Studies have been largely inconclusive regarding coffee and its effect on women's health issues such as breast health, cancer, and osteoporosis. But, the negative effects of coffee tend to emerge in excessive drinking so it is best to avoid heavy consumption.

dzee
11-19-2005, 10:53 AM
if you usually drink 16 ounces in the morning, try consuming a 2-3 ounce serving every hour or so. Again, moderation is the key.

good thing my instant-coffee sachet comes in 20g (1 ounce > 20g) eh? :rolleyes: and only every other day do i take it! :) thanks so much! :D

Kass
11-20-2005, 01:29 AM
Enough of the spam, eyezonme.