Who Here Hate Hip Hop

[eyez0nme]

And rap--what it has become...

Because, to each his own. If I saw half as many people acting all up-in-arms about thug shit river rap I'd respond differently. Truth is, you have the freedom to hate and the freedom to be an idiot. You also have the freedom to arm yourself and kill any of these mafaggas who step to your door to take you out.

You want to be pissed at a community for the downfall of the black community, be pissed at dirty television and radio sambo shows. They're doing more harm to black people than any crazy little girly white racists. How many black children look up to lynx and lamb? How about those silly no-limit and cash money rivers?

Crazy white racists hate black people more because they see the valueless trash that black people put on television and call it entertainment. Watch a rap video. That's what white people think of black people if they haven't had interactions with them.

How moral is it to bling in any spiritual endeavor or faith? If the nazi twins' parents want to deepen the hatred, all they have to do is turn on a television and show their children what black people proudly display about themselves. How much white music is about how rich they are, what they drive and who they bone? Think about white rappers even. Document Television, and tell me percentages, i've done it.

You know why nazis hated jews? Mainly because they thought the jews were stealing from them and growing rich from their work. When you see people in welfare housing projects rolling on dubb spinners on your television and you live in an alabama trailor park rolling on stubs, you're going to feel pretty effin nazi.

Sure there's racists, but do you think black kids look up to them to fuck up their priorities? Are young black children's popular pressures to better and further the cause of their race, or to get an iced out neclace?

Maybe the black community needs more racist whites so that they can unify and think about something other than thongs bling and spinners. Back when racism was a real big problem black people unified, saught their history and faught for rights.

Now, most seem to fight eachother, don't give a shit about history, and care less about their own civil rights. They've become satiated and complacent with partial wealth and minimal equal rights. Great, we can sit next to eachother on the bus and drink from the same fountain, but are black kids going to get as good of schooling as mine? Are they going to learn as much about themselves as they do about european people? Are they going to leave class thinking that their people were pioneers in any month but february?

Cheers to the racists. At least they care about their heritage, their history, and the promulgation of their pride in their race. At least they teach their children pride in their heritage and about the history of their race. That's more respectable in a biblical and darwinian sence than caring about bling and hoes.

How many black people on television do you see talking about how black people are the first to do science, the first to record history, the first to build great architecture, the first to do agriculture? How many shows about black people focus on history? What percentage of black students pursue avenues of black culture? How many thugged out bling ass rivers you see runnin wild all over? I watch BET every day, and when it's not white church it's dirty ass rivers or shitty news. How many times you see positive cats on there? Shit, the cosby show ain't even on BET.

finally, I see a lot more white kids acting like fifty cent then I see acting like Lamb and lynx, so what does that say about them? Do you think that they're any less racist? I don't.

[Komachi Angel]

I really hate 'bling bling' and hip hop, and all that fake Ganster shit. Why on earth would you want to be a ganster, of all things? And why does everything have to be so angsty?

Then again, to be perfectly fair, I am totally against all the little groups like that (emo, skater), which is essentially what it is all about, no?

[Praetorian]

I think most of the inventions you mentioned were made by the Sumerians. Even though they named themselves the black-headed-people, I've recently read some studies that they were arab-looking. Might be wrong, though.

[jindojim]

What happened to the original meaning of hip-hop: get up, dance, and have fun? The 70s and 80s were the best days of hip-hop. Once gangster rap and foul language became synonymous w/ hip-hop, it all went down imo. But I still like the old-skool stuff.

Also, don't use bad grammar. Who here hateS hip-hop? :p

[renegade]

so what you're saying is..lets not make the nazi people any more angry, and silence those crazy black people, so they wont make them selfs look more like black people and have more "normal" tv shows?

did you even think about what you just said?

[alansmithee]

What is portrayed on tv isn't hip-hop. It's marketing. And it's not black people driving the sales of that crap, it's suburban white kids who want to piss off mommy and daddy.

[jindojim]

I just now read the 1st post in detail....what the hell are you trying to say? Are you trying to defend racism? These are some pretty ignorant comments you're making.

[Overkongen]

I see the point.

Whether they like it or not, stars will be rolemodels. I'm not sure drugusing gangbangers are the best rolemodels for our future society.

Apart from that, what's up with them rap videos? I've seen loads of different music-videos, and it all goes down like this:

Rapper: Me rap. Show bling bling. Hoes dance, possibly in slow motion. Me show more bling bling, possibly gun. Me show off, possibly with phat rides, or planes, or tons of money. Hoes dance more. Me not possess original thought. Me copy others, who copy others, who...

Rolemodels in general: The future generation worships rappers, Hilton, Simpson (The stupid one, not any of the ones living in Springfield), superslut Aguilera, So-called virgin and notorious fake Britney Spears. Woo boy, shit is gonna hit the fan real bad-like.

[PopCulturePooka]

I love hip hop.

[Idlethought]

I love hip hop, regardless of how shitty its become. Fuckin south fucked it up for everyone. 80's and 90's hip hop is the best IMO. Still some artist from this decade who do it right but very few. If I listen to anyone from this decade its because im in a mood to listen to ignorant shit. Or to get hype (lil john).

[ruaidhri]

EyezOnme, obviously you are very emotional about the issue of images. Emotion is good but first it must be organized and properly directed to accomplish its goal. I must admit that your post confused me for a number of reasons. Mostly, it meandered around throwing out unfamiliar words and names without explanation. In the process you raised several unanswered questions. Who is your target audience? Blacks, whites, youths or all demographics. I certainly didn’t feel you were addressing me. I’m not even sure you were writing your diatribe from the perspective of an outraged black person or a confused White wishing Blacks would conform to his/her preferred behavior.

Your post appeared to shove all current Black culture into a single box. You don’t appear to look beyond the box. That, I believe, is exactly how racists view the world outside their comfort zone.

Do you honestly believe that “bling” represents Blacks unique need to show off? Do you believe that only Blacks men want a beautiful woman on each arm? Do you really believe that only Black music and entertainment carries an unwelcome message? Look beyond the box you’ve created for yourself.

White people show off far more than blacks. It’s simply that White’s show off in ways that may be less obvious. Look at the unnecessarily ostentatious houses cropping up in the suburbs. My God, they’re huge. People don’t need houses that large. Look at the people buying those houses. They’re young. How do they afford them? Would you be surprised to hear that most of their combined incomes goes towards their mortgage? Their credit card debts are expanding with every breath they take. That’s showing off in my book. No, they can’t literally wear their house around their neck but they might as well because their desire for image is dragging them down. Many are simply a paycheck away from disaster.

From my perspective all music today is controlled by the industry. If they don’t approve, you don’t hear it. The industry’s objective is not art; it’s money. When they’ve decided what sells they turn around and market their choice. They don’t offer an alternative. Money begets money.

The same is true about the entertainment industry. I don’t see that much difference between the Black and White shows on television. The majority of both are stupid and a waste of time. The same can be said about movies. Again, big money wants to make big money not art. They market what sells, sex and violence.

I grew up when Blacks were oppressed. I was there when Blacks fought for equal rights. I was there when Blacks demanded that their sons and daughters and yes, even white people, learn about Black History that schools had so conveniently not included in their curriculum. Much progress has been made. I agree, in many ways it’s merely a façade but I suggest you take some time to look outside that box you’ve created for yourself. Compare Black demographics 40 years with today and discover how those old Black urban warriors accomplished many of their goals. Identify new goals and develop action plans. Gather like minded people to push for change. Join organizations such as the NAACP. Direct your emotion to make a difference not simply to spew frustrations.

[Idlethought]

Bravo *clap clap clap*

[CNagy]

Personally, I don't analyze it to the extent that I would grow disgusted with it. It's music; I listen to it if it sounds good, I ignore it if it doesn't.

[stillbornsinger]

I love you ruaidhri...

back on the topic of "hip-hop" culture

I think I have a little bit of a unique perspective on the subject. In my spare time I do a lot of recording, I have my own home studio, and the best way that I've found to get clients in there is to cater to what is popular. I've written (the music) and recorded over 60 hip-hop songs in the past year.

In that time I have been exposed to much of the hip-hop culture and gotten a bit better understanding for what the culture is based on. Its pretty much just as superficial and without substance as you would expect, probably more so. I often times find it hard to keep a strait face when I'm listening to these guys compose their lyrics and practice them. They are so incredibly obsessed with image, I can't help but attribute this partly to the people who are in charge of the music biz as hey, they know how to make a buck and milk these kids for everything they can. I can't blame them for that but I think the cost that this trend is having on society is incredible.

Hip-hop culture is designed by some rich white guys to increase their wealth by creating a market for junk where there really shouldn't be one and getting their hands on every penny they can. In recent years it has done far more to hinder the youth of the US, especially blacks and people from poor areas.

I suppose I agree somewhat with the intention of eyez0nme's original post as I understand it. But as ruaidhri pointed out his delivery was a bit flawed.

As a last note, I've thrust myself into that culture in order to accomplish my goal of becoming a better recording engineer by practicing my skills but I often feel downright embarrassed by what I am contributing towards. Especially the times that I've gone out with my "artists" to test and promote tracks.

oh yeah, and the quality of hip-hop music itself is crap compared to just about any other music genre out there. And thats coming from someone who is activly producing it. I can write and record 10 hip-hop songs of a comparable quality to what is being played on the radio in the time that it would take me to write one decent rock song that I would be happy with.

[Idlethought]

it depends on what artist youre recording for. some are more concerned with the art form than the money making aspect. and then...the vast majority care concerned with the money making aspect lol again it all depends on who you listen to, theyre not all cookie cutter bubble gum rap

[freeradicals]

Cheers to the racists. At least they care about their heritage, their history, and the promulgation of their pride in their race. At least they teach their children pride in their heritage and about the history of their race. That's more respectable in a biblical and darwinian sence than caring about bling and hoes.

So basically, you think its justified act in a racist manner just because of "some" black people making a fool of themselves?
Do you understand those black people, just like any other kind act by their own volition and that they don't represent their whole race?

YOur logic is completely fucked.

[freeradicals]

it depends on what artist youre recording for. some are more concerned with the art form than the money making aspect. and then...the vast majority care concerned with the money making aspect lol again it all depends on who you listen to, theyre not all cookie cutter bubble gum rap

I like some of Jayzs music although he is sort of in for the money as well.

"I've got 99 problems but a bitch aint one"

The best hiphop is Linkin Parks reanimation album IMO

[Idlethought]

pre-millenium Jay-Z isnt all about the dough though. Reasonable Doubt is one hell of an album cause the songs on it are just...wow.

Mostly I listen to pre-millenium (and some post) Nas, Jay-Z, and assorted others lol. Nas is my favorite though.

[more cheerios]

I blame Run DMC. They were the first rap group to bring commercialization into their music. My Adidas? WTF was up with that?

But you really need to calm down with the 'racism' thing. Not all black people like rap or endorse it. I can assure you that.

Also, I agree with everything Bill Cosby put forth into society a little while back.

[Wizdom]

Bravo *clap clap clap*
Indeed!

ruaidhri is one of my favorite member becuase he breaks it down and makes his argument in a clear and conscist manner. Plus he always drops knowlegde =)

[Admiral Luis]

most hip hop artists have an attittude problem

[Glitch ErrorWeaver]

"How about those silly no-limit and cash money rivers?"

This sounds like a poker article now =(

[Myrsilus]

Indeed!

ruaidhri is one of my favorite member becuase he breaks it down and makes his argument in a clear and conscist manner. Plus he always drops knowlegde =)
He can also do it without smacking you.

As long as the hip-hop refrains from being too violent/sexist/surly, then I'm okay with it.

[Roxie]

Personally, I don't analyze it to the extent that I would grow disgusted with it. It's music; I listen to it if it sounds good, I ignore it if it doesn't.
That's all well and good until people start expecting you to act like the people they see in videos and hear in rap songs. That's when it starts to piss you off. When it becomes personal.

Speaking of which, Atlanta has new theme song done by Dallas Austin. the song is r&b, contains NO RAP. However, the complaints are numerous. Sure, it's not a stellar track, but does it really deserve complaints like these?

(BTW, Atlanta's new slogan is "Atlanta: Every day is an opening day." and "Optimism, Opportunity, and Openess")

"Are the numbers in yet on how many violent, rap star-worshipping visitors the new Atlanta theme song has attracted to our city?"

"I can already hear the buzz among executives in IBM's Armonk, N.Y., headquarters: "We just heard the new ATL song, man, and we're outta here!""

'The ATL': Responses to ''Brand new day,'' Page One, Nov. 11

Slap at 60-year-olds

Shame on Mayor Shirley Franklin for dissing us 60-year-olds.

Folks our age or older built the Silver Comet bicycle trail, gave Atlanta its aquarium, poured money into the new High Museum, fought for sidewalks and schools --- and support Franklin's mature leadership.

Without us, there would be nothing for younger people to sing about. Besides, many of us can run faster, play harder and even sing better than them.

MAXINE ROCK, Atlanta

P.C. brand stinks

Thanks, Atlanta, for the new slogan and anthem. It will surely create business opportunities and jobs --- for Nashville.

I was stunned to learn my one-time hometown spent money on this politically correct branding. Who's in charge down there now?

If the purpose was to attract business, why not say so in the slogan? "Atlanta: Business is on our mind." It's not the greatest, but I would not have to explain it. And the anthem --- "the music brings me to my knees." Is hip-hop the only business Atlanta wants?

BRANDT DOOLEY, Lebanon, Tenn.

Chance to shine goes down drain

Like the Braves and Falcons during the playoffs, why is it that a city that aspires to world-class, international status usually flops when the opportunity is presented to hit a winning home run or score the big touchdown?

The new slogan is lame, I don't know anyone who refers to Atlanta as "the ATL" and the song is plumb awful. I can't understand a word. I hope the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra's version is better, and that if it is, that will be the version most used. Otherwise, if I were planning to relocate a business or hold a convention, I might go elsewhere. Why wasn't a collaborative effort made by Dallas Austin, Elton John and other well-known Atlanta recording artists to come up with something better?

Then again, maybe I am a 60-year-old, like the mayor --- but one who happens to be walking around in a 31-year-old body.

DAVID J. STEWART, Smyrna

[Mittens]

I personally loathe most rap and all hip-hop...
All sounds exactly the same to me as the last song...
I like to think of myself as a person with a wide taste in music, and yes I have given rap, hip-hop and r'nb a chance and its all shite...
At least thats all the most recent stuff...
I agree with whoever said that Old Skool rap / hip-hop was the best...
That, I like...
The newest stuff is beyond shit, especially lil jon, 50 cent and any other motherfucker that wants to say 'nigga', bitches', 'hoes' and 'motherfucker' (and yes I am aware that I myself have just used the latter but fuck it)...

[renegade]

So basically, you think its justified act in a racist manner just because of "some" black people making a fool of themselves?
Do you understand those black people, just like any other kind act by their own volition and that they don't represent their whole race?

YOur logic is completely fucked.
either that or he is a fucking racist, and i have no idea what he is doing on this messege board.

[Janken]

I used to listen to rap, but now I'm not really big on rap. I don't like the vulgarness that some of the big rap artists use, but like someone mentioned earlier maybe I'd like the older stuff in the 70s and 80s.

[Shuft]

Rap is just like any other genre of music, most of it is crap, but there are some really good songs and artists out there (except country, that just makes me want to punch a cowboy).

If you're only exposure to rap is what you see on tv and hear on the radio, you are only getting a thin slice of the rap pie. Mass media exists to make money, that's it.

Just one example would be the cuban hip-hop scene. There is a suprising amount of racism in Cuba today considering it is a communist country. One of the silver linings to that problem is a lot of socially aware homegrown rap.

[Zslash]

/ walks in thread. Yup, sure enough white people getting angsty about a culture they dont understand.

Ok ill be back with some good points in 2 hrs

[Iseult]

There is a suprising amount of racism in Cuba today considering it is a communist country.

I have no idea what one has to do with the other.

[Idlethought]

heh, no ones forcing yall to like it. we're not saying "LISTEN TO RAP AND LOVE IT OR DIE MOTHERFUCKER!". just dont jump down someone elses throat when they proclaim their like of it, and i wont jump down yours for liking that garbage they call rock.

i hate rock btw.

[jindojim]

me too. rock annoys the hell outta me. i don't hate those that listen to rock or think less of it, but i'd prefer not to listen to it.

[renegade]

i like the combination of the two
-funk metal, like rage against the machine or red hot chili peppers and stuff like that.

i also wouldnt mine listening to rap. but nothing that is on 'em tv music chanels. they suck. maybe something out of the mainstream.

[Idlethought]

i dont hate the listeners either, i just personally cant understand how people can bear to listen to someone scream in their ear all the time

[renegade]

they have to scream, they have distortion guitars in thier ears, so they probably cant hear themselves.
seriosly though, they dont cream in every rock song you know. dont be like eyesonme, you're suposed to be on the sane side remember?

[Idlethought]

hehehe its fun to dance on the line of sanity

[Psychochink]

The thing that annoys me about rap is the complete lack of any meaning in the lyrics these days. Admittedly, I now tend to switch off when it comes on the radio, because I've become jaded by meaningless crap for so long.

What happened to songs like "Fight the Power"?

[Komachi Angel]

Don't get me wrong here - I really don't like what's being called 'hip hop' nowadays, but that's about it. I don't care who or what sings it - it's the music I don't like, and the stereotype that follows.

I also don't like heavy metal songs that involve the aforementioned screaming and thrashing about on stage for whatever reason. And boy bands, and the strange phenomenon that somehow means only girls aged 16-24 can 'sing', and...

[Idlethought]

music nowadays is just overall fucked is what i think everyone is gonna eventually get at. theres no art in it anymore, no feeling, just dough.

[Komachi Angel]

>Idlethought

I think you just summed up what I was trying to say into one neat, compact sentence there. Nice.

[Bobbybirdtree]

I used to only exclusively listen to rap. Now it's rare if you can find a rap song on my harddrive. I just got tired of the same old stuff over and over again.

[Idlethought]

oh no, i listen to exclusively rap hip hop and rnb cause i pretty much cant stand much else

[Myrsilus]

Eh hrm... Might I suggest classical music?

I don't really listen to rap, hip hop, or R&B. There are a few songs I might jam to, but for the most part I prefer other music. Like rock, classical, jazz, and others.

[xileh]

I personally loathe most rap and all hip-hop...
All sounds exactly the same to me as the last song...
I like to think of myself as a person with a wide taste in music, and yes I have given rap, hip-hop and r'nb a chance and its all shite...
At least thats all the most recent stuff...
I agree with whoever said that Old Skool rap / hip-hop was the best...
That, I like...
The newest stuff is beyond shit, especially lil jon, 50 cent and any other motherfucker that wants to say 'nigga', bitches', 'hoes' and 'motherfucker' (and yes I am aware that I myself have just used the latter but fuck it)...

This doesn't make sense.

I agree with you for the most part, but...
All rap is hip-hop, but not all hip-hop is rap. So if you don't loathe some rap (which is assumed when you say you loathe most rap), then it is impossible for you to loate all hip-hop. Hip-Hop is a catchall term for rap, b-boying, grafitti, and scratching.


What happened to songs like "Fight the Power"?

Bands like that don't get signed to major labels anymore because they are too risky for the label's image... And the worst case scenario of signing one of these groups is having another "Nirvana" scenario where real music by real artists becomes wildly popular :)

Personally, I will only listen to a few rap artists... A Tribe Called Quest, Jurassic 5, Eyedeas and Abilities, and Sage Francis for the most part with some Grandmaster Flash thrown in for good measure. I agree with many people here in that mainstream rap musicians barely qualify as much more than marketing gimmicks.

Oh man, I guess I get to address the original poster now...

Truth is, you have the freedom to hate and the freedom to be an idiot. You also have the freedom to arm yourself and kill any of these mafaggas who step to your door to take you out.

Luckily most people here live in areas which aren't heavily populated by mainstream rap artists who go door-to-door for whatever reason. :confused:

You want to be pissed at a community for the downfall of the black community, be pissed at dirty television and radio sambo shows. They're doing more harm to black people than any crazy little girly white racists. How many black children look up to lynx and lamb? How about those silly no-limit and cash money rivers?

If you want to rant, at least make an attempt to be coherent. I don't understand what you are saying here other than "dirty television and radio is responsible for the downfall of the black community", which is retarded.

Crazy white racists hate black people more because they see the valueless trash that black people put on television and call it entertainment. Watch a rap video. That's what white people think of black people if they haven't had interactions with them.

So what you're saying that racists envy black people? Because if I thought that rap videos were representative, I would really like to become black because being surrounded by women dancing in skimpy clothes 24 hours a day while driving around in a lowrider with sweet rims sounds pretty sweet to me.

How much white music is about how rich they are, what they drive and who they bone?

You must not have been around for the 80's. Or 70's. Or 90's. Or now. You just don't notice it because "white music" (whatever that is) doesn't enrage you like "black music" (whatever that is) does.

On the topic of 'white' and 'black' music, I think you are forgetting that black people were responsible for pretty much any popular form of music that is around (except electronica).

Think about white rappers even. Document Television, and tell me percentages, i've done it.

Care to share those figures with us instead of just bragging about them and then making us do all the footwork?

You know why nazis hated jews? Mainly because they thought the jews were stealing from them and growing rich from their work. When you see people in welfare housing projects rolling on dubb spinners on your television and you live in an alabama trailor park rolling on stubs, you're going to feel pretty effin nazi.

Good to know that we have somebody on the forums here who can explain the rationalization behind the racist brain. You fucking racist.

Sure there's racists, but do you think black kids look up to them to fuck up their priorities? Are young black children's popular pressures to better and further the cause of their race, or to get an iced out neclace?

I figure most black people aren't stupid enough to get involved with the whole "furthering the cause of their race" bullshit because they are too busy not being told by their parents that *insert color of skin* people are ruining their race somehow.

Maybe the black community needs more racist whites so that they can unify and think about something other than thongs bling and spinners. Back when racism was a real big problem black people unified, saught their history and faught for rights.

By reading your post, I can tell that racism is still a real big problem.

Now, most seem to fight eachother, don't give a shit about history, and care less about their own civil rights. They've become satiated and complacent with partial wealth and minimal equal rights. Great, we can sit next to eachother on the bus and drink from the same fountain, but are black kids going to get as good of schooling as mine? Are they going to learn as much about themselves as they do about european people? Are they going to leave class thinking that their people were pioneers in any month but february?

Assuming you live in the states, then I can assure you that they aren't going to be doing much learning about Not-America. Also, I'm pretty sure they will get just as shitty of an education as a white kid whose parents have the same level of income as the black kid's parents do.

Cheers to the racists. At least they care about their heritage, their history, and the promulgation of their pride in their race. At least they teach their children pride in their heritage and about the history of their race. That's more respectable in a biblical and darwinian sence than caring about bling and hoes.

Racial pride is pretty much the stupidest thing I've heard about since Intelligent Design. And you're right, preaching hatred and ignorance is EXACTLY what Jesus was thinking of when he was around!

How many black people on television do you see talking about how black people are the first to do science, the first to record history, the first to build great architecture, the first to do agriculture? How many shows about black people focus on history? What percentage of black students pursue avenues of black culture?

You don't see black people saying that black people are the first to do science, the first to record history, the first to build great architecture, or the first to do agriculture because they weren't. And if they were, they probably wouldn't bring it up all the time on TV because people who are allowed to go on TV generally aren't racist like you.

Black people have been considered equal to white people in the states for not even 50 years now, and you expect them to explode onto the scene followed by streamers and bottle-rockets, with all the whities left behind saying "wow those black people sure are good at agriculture"? They just have a different color of skin than you and I, not superpowers.

How many thugged out bling ass rivers you see runnin wild all over? I watch BET every day, and when it's not white church it's dirty ass rivers or shitty news. How many times you see positive cats on there? Shit, the cosby show ain't even on BET.

For somebody who hates black people and "black music" as much as you do, you watch/listen to a lot of it. And the Cosby show isn't on BET because it hasn't been relevent to anybody, black or white, for 20 years.

finally, I see a lot more white kids acting like fifty cent then I see acting like Lamb and lynx, so what does that say about them? Do you think that they're any less racist? I don't.

That's because you are stupid and racist.

[Idlethought]

too much to read >_<

[Myrsilus]

Just a post about how eyez is an idiotic troll. Probably what he wanted.

[NERD]

FLAME ON!!!

Ah, wouldn't it be nice if we could have a thread dedicated on flaming people... You know, to say what we really mean to say. Like a roast, except not funny.

[xileh]

too much to read >_<

Your time is better off spent by furthering the cause for your race anyway, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. ;)

[xileh]

Just a post about how eyez is an idiotic troll. Probably what he wanted.

Yeah, I just noticed that he posted a bunch of similarly idiotic threads.

[Myrsilus]

Yeah so don't bother with him. I'm pretty sure he gets a kick out of responses like yours.

I understand your disappointment, though... Trolls.

[Idlethought]

Your time is better off spent by furthering the cause for your race anyway, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. ;)

shewt...i dunno whether to take offense or not lol

[Shuft]

I have no idea what one has to do with the other. (communism and racism)Communism is all about equality. I could elaborate in regards to racial equality under various communist governments, but I'm not in the mood. Maybe if you light some candles and put on some chef.

[Jai]

First to the tools calling Eyezonme a racist, take your "im better than you" blinkers off for a second and read what he actually said instead of what you wanted to see. Honestly, flaming him cos he cant spell fought? Get a grip.

The stereotype created by filth like mr "I got shot so im so fucking cool" 50 cent does just as much damage to the social status of african americans as any other single factor. What do you think a 13 year old kid who idolises that piece of shit is going to grow up wanting to do? An office job that will pay for his childrens education, or popping caps and slapping bitches?

Are they just as racist as scumbag "rednecks"? A quote I heard last night while the GF watched "greys anatomy" got me thinking. There was a black women on the phone telling everyone how "some redneck" ran into their train and killed a bunch of people. I wondered what her character would do if someone called her "some nigger"... racism definantly goes both ways.

For the record, I hate gansta rap with a passion.

[Idlethought]

For the record, 50 cent isnt gangsta rap. And also for the record, I for one am all for shooting 50 again, and not missing.

[Idlethought]

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i love how white people try to justify their dislike of rap all the time. i wish they would just cut all the bull shit and stop it at "i dont like rap so there", cause then i can come back and just say "i dont like rock so there" and then its settled all over and we can all smoke in peace. or "i dont like black people. dont be like "ooooh the societal factors and blah blah blah" cause honestly no one gives a fuck about that, theyll continue to listen to what they wanna listen to. just say it. just say "i hate niggers". I'm fine with that, cause in all honestly white people scare the shit outta me. i'm afraid of white people like im afraid of bears.

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[Jay]

I don't know much about any brand of hip-hop that's not Australian (Aussie hip-hop though, I know a lot about THAT) but the current take on the genre can kiss my arse. Oh, I'm all for the 80s-90s black rap (which I know NOTHING about, so if anyone wants to educate me feel free), but these days it's gone to hell and it makes my soul hurt and my ears bleed.

(If anyone wants Aussie hip-hop bands, PM me.)

[stillbornsinger]

Anyone here seen the movie "Crash"?

[Horatio]

hahahahahahaha. thats good.

"music nowadays is just overall fucked is what i think everyone is gonna eventually get at.
theres no art in it anymore, no feeling, just dough."

This is why i hate all vocal based music equally. I make a point of trying to respect talent in all its forms,
but eventually for me its boiled down to:

Theres music, and then theres singing with backing attached.
If you like singing, then go for your life.

Fujins 'try classical' advice is spot on. Its not only the original, but its the most complex and
talented form of music youll find. Its not the genre i spend most of my time in, but i can really enjoy it in its place like most other music as such.

Underground music FTW.. screw anything youve ever heard of :D

[Zslash]

tra la la la la

i love how white people try to justify their dislike of rap all the time. i wish they would just cut all the bull shit and stop it at "i dont like rap so there", cause then i can come back and just say "i dont like rock so there" and then its settled all over and we can all smoke in peace. or "i dont like black people. dont be like "ooooh the societal factors and blah blah blah" cause honestly no one gives a fuck about that, theyll continue to listen to what they wanna listen to. just say it. just say "i hate niggers". I'm fine with that, cause in all honestly white people scare the shit outta me. i'm afraid of white people like im afraid of bears.

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THANK YOU THANK YOU soo much. I know this is the internet but, you can figure out when a board is made up of mostly white people when threads like this make it past page 2. I wish it wasnt true .. but it just keeps happening..

[more cheerios]

THANK YOU THANK YOU soo much. I know this is the internet but, you can figure out when a board is made up of mostly white people when threads like this make it past page 2. I wish it wasnt true .. but it just keeps happening..
Hey, guy, I know lots of black people who hate rap so I suggest you stop generalizing that people who hate rap are only white.

[Idlethought]

the people that bitch about it the most are white though. most black people i know that dont like rap are content with just...you know...not listening to it :D

[Zslash]

Hey, guy, I know lots of black people who hate rap so I suggest you stop generalizing that people who hate rap are only white.

I know plenty of black people who hate rap as well but threads like this are just too damn easy to telegraph.

[renegade]

trolling threads tend to be like that

[more cheerios]

the people that bitch about it the most are white though. most black people i know that dont like rap are content with just...you know...not listening to it :D
I would tend to disagree. Clearly you do not know what a wigger is.

I live in a 90% caucasion city (of 90 000 people or so) and I can assure you that 85% of the white kids at my school loooooove rap.

[eyez0nme]

The first post is actually a black friend of mine who said that--not white, and if you want to see my actual reply: http://www.subboards.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Events;action=display;num=1131744491

[renegade]

i hate you

[Surixurient]

why cant we just get along like these fine folks http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

[Idlethought]

more cheerios i didnt say people that hate rap the most are white people, i didnt even say all white people hate rap. i said the people that bitch about it the most are white people. i fail to see how your school contradicts that

[Jarod Cain]

To the OP: I'm a metalhead but for the most part I'll listen to almost anything at least once.

And I will have to say for the short time I liked rap (back in the early 90s) there were definately things that I liked and didn't. Digital Underground, Tone Loc, LL Cool J, Grand Master Flash, Run DMC, stuff like that is what I listened to and what I like. Most of the stuff like 50 Cent, Emenem, and whatever else is coming out I can't stand. Then again I can't stand most of whats on the radio anyway so thats probably why I import all my music...
-J-

[Gage]

I listen to anything, but when it comes to rap.. I try, I really do, but I find nothing can actually hold me there.. unless I'm cruising and feel like being a wigga. -=shrug.=-

They'd all make good poets, I think...

Being a musician that can appreciate the way music is put together, I believe there's almost nothing in rap that can actually qualify as music. It's more or less poetry put to a beat. That's just my opinion though, and that along with 85 cents will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's.

If you like rap, listen to it. If you don't like it, don't listen to it.

[Idlethought]

You dont have to try to like it, no ones forcing you to. If you dont like it then just dont listen to it. I dont like asparagus, so I dont eat it. I dont bitch about it nonstop and make threads about it and call people who eat asparagus idiots.

[xileh]

The first post is actually a black friend of mine who said that--not white, and if you want to see my actual reply: http://www.subboards.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Events;action=display;num=1131744491

Your black friend should maybe look at himself and ask what he can do instead of waiting for other black people to do the things he wants them to. He's also racist.

[Psychochink]

First to the tools calling Eyezonme a racist, take your "im better than you" blinkers off for a second and read what he actually said instead of what you wanted to see.

The stereotype created by filth like mr "I got shot so im so fucking cool" 50 cent does just as much damage to the social status of african americans as any other single factor. What do you think a 13 year old kid who idolises that piece of shit is going to grow up wanting to do? An office job that will pay for his childrens education, or popping caps and slapping bitches?

I am moderately disappointed (but not particularly surprised) by the direction that this thread has taken. You know what one of my standing jokes is with my friends? Remember ‘Short Round’ from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? The little, hyperactive, heavily accented and poorly grammatical Asian kid with the high-pitched voice? Well, when I’m feeling random and I’m in an argument with my friends, I start talking in my best impression of him, and my counter to everything they say is “That not true! You just saying that because…You racist!” (or variations on that theme)

It’s amusing because a) it’s done in a caricature of a voice, combined with b) the utter stupidity of countering everything with an accusation of bigotry (well, and c) because I’m Asian and can get away with it).

This discussion started out alright, and then all of a sudden people started throwing out accusations of racism and trolling, and completely ignoring the main point of the OP. In case you didn’t get it: This thread was only about hip-hop in the most minor sense. Eyezonme is not a racist. In fact, if you actually take the time to understand where he’s coming from, he’s bemoaning the negative image that popular culture, in particular mainstream hip-hop, is giving the black community. He’s far more pro-black than most people.

And, like it or not, its congruence with reality or not, it is the image that most people are exposed to.

Its about the fact that, despite there still being complaining about racism and inequality by many members of the black community (the knee-jerk accusations of ‘racism’ and ‘white people bitching’ on this thread being prime examples), there is very little being done to attempt to deal with that situation.

He’s annoyed because he looks at the complacency that the black community has fallen into, after fighting so hard in the (pretty recent) past to achieve equality. He’s saying that there still isn’t parity, and that he’s disappointed that blacks seem to be content with that.

A lot (by no means all) rap used to be about standing up for yourself and/or drawing attention to the realities that the black population had to deal with. Public Enemy, for example, are a prime example of this. But this form of rap has disappeared from the airways.

Personally I don’t give a shit. If that’s how black Americans are happy for their mainstream public image to be, fine. Just don’t bitch about how other people are racist when large portions of the population take you at your self-imposed image and make assumptions about your lives and values.

Let’s look at a few things the OP said…

And rap--what it has become...

...

Sure there's racists, but do you think black kids look up to them to fuck up their priorities? Are young black children's popular pressures to better and further the cause of their race, or to get an iced out neclace?

...Back when racism was a real big problem black people unified, saught their history and faught for rights.

Now, most seem to fight eachother, don't give a shit about history, and care less about their own civil rights. They've become satiated and complacent with partial wealth and minimal equal rights. Great, we can sit next to eachother on the bus and drink from the same fountain, but are black kids going to get as good of schooling as mine? Are they going to learn as much about themselves as they do about european people?

...How many shows about black people focus on history? What percentage of black students pursue avenues of black culture?

finally, I see a lot more white kids acting like fifty cent then I see acting like Lamb and lynx, so what does that say about them? Do you think that they're any less racist? I don't.

Yeah, he hates the black man. But hey, he said something that could potentially be seen as negative that related to an ethnic group – he must be racist.

[Iseult]

Communism is all about equality. I could elaborate in regards to racial equality under various communist governments, but I'm not in the mood. Maybe if you light some candles and put on some chef.

Thanks, but I'll take a pass on that.

Communism, theoretically at least (and really, is there any other kind?), is about ecomonic equality, not racial equality. Dear old Karl would be at least as upset by the actions of Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe as he would be by the actions of, say, the average white robber baron. Indeed, the case could be made that old Karl would be more upset by Mugabe's betrayal, since Mugabe was at one time an avowed Marxist.

Until he got some power, and some bling. Just look at him now, a robber baron for the ages.

[Bob]

And rap--what it has become...

Because, to each his own. If I saw half as many people acting all up-in-arms about thug shit river rap I'd respond differently. Truth is, you have the freedom to hate and the freedom to be an idiot. You also have the freedom to arm yourself and kill any of these mafaggas who step to your door to take you out.

You want to be pissed at a community for the downfall of the black community, be pissed at dirty television and radio sambo shows. They're doing more harm to black people than any crazy little girly white racists. How many black children look up to lynx and lamb? How about those silly no-limit and cash money rivers?

Crazy white racists hate black people more because they see the valueless trash that black people put on television and call it entertainment. Watch a rap video. That's what white people think of black people if they haven't had interactions with them.

How moral is it to bling in any spiritual endeavor or faith? If the nazi twins' parents want to deepen the hatred, all they have to do is turn on a television and show their children what black people proudly display about themselves. How much white music is about how rich they are, what they drive and who they bone? Think about white rappers even. Document Television, and tell me percentages, i've done it.

You know why nazis hated jews? Mainly because they thought the jews were stealing from them and growing rich from their work. When you see people in welfare housing projects rolling on dubb spinners on your television and you live in an alabama trailor park rolling on stubs, you're going to feel pretty effin nazi.

Sure there's racists, but do you think black kids look up to them to fuck up their priorities? Are young black children's popular pressures to better and further the cause of their race, or to get an iced out neclace?

Maybe the black community needs more racist whites so that they can unify and think about something other than thongs bling and spinners. Back when racism was a real big problem black people unified, saught their history and faught for rights.

Now, most seem to fight eachother, don't give a shit about history, and care less about their own civil rights. They've become satiated and complacent with partial wealth and minimal equal rights. Great, we can sit next to eachother on the bus and drink from the same fountain, but are black kids going to get as good of schooling as mine? Are they going to learn as much about themselves as they do about european people? Are they going to leave class thinking that their people were pioneers in any month but february?

Cheers to the racists. At least they care about their heritage, their history, and the promulgation of their pride in their race. At least they teach their children pride in their heritage and about the history of their race. That's more respectable in a biblical and darwinian sence than caring about bling and hoes.

How many black people on television do you see talking about how black people are the first to do science, the first to record history, the first to build great architecture, the first to do agriculture? How many shows about black people focus on history? What percentage of black students pursue avenues of black culture? How many thugged out bling ass rivers you see runnin wild all over? I watch BET every day, and when it's not white church it's dirty ass rivers or shitty news. How many times you see positive cats on there? Shit, the cosby show ain't even on BET.

finally, I see a lot more white kids acting like fifty cent then I see acting like Lamb and lynx, so what does that say about them? Do you think that they're any less racist? I don't.

Your new name is bitch

[renegade]

bwahahahahahahaha

[Star Market]

Let me qualify first by saying that I am black.

I love rap as an art-form, as "poetry with a beat behind it" as someone suggested earlier. If you've ever heard anyone freestyle in person, it takes a quick, rapier wit and sharp tongue to string together an improvised string of lyrics that tell a story, preach a message, or poke fun at life. Sometimes the language is strong and provocative; at times the vulgarity grabs a hold of you and shakes you, saying, "Are you listening to me?" If you look past "nigga" and "muthafucka" you might actually hear cries for help, a beseech for respect and equality, expression of adoration for rap as an art form or refuge from the hard realities of life (The Roots definately do a lot of this), or a humorous take on life. Granted, I hate hearing "nigga" and wish the word be stricken from existence. I promised myself I'd punch the next person, black or white who I heard said it. I HATE hearing that word...but I digress. It all depends on who you listen to, though I guarantee the crap they play on the radio lacks any artistic quality (or quality of any kind be it musically, lyrically, etc).

I feel it is unfortunate that the art-form has been corrupted in the garbage that is "artists" like 50 Cent (who I respect for surviving, but do not respect for his blatant lack of talent), Juvenile (I swear if I hear "Back Dat Ass Up" one more time, I'm going to jab an ice pick in my ear), etc. In these cases, it's not art. It's "I got more hoes than you/look at the rims spinning on my Escalade/I got more money than you/mess with me and I'll bus' a cap in yo' ass" and I hate it. There's no compelling narrative, a very ugly message, and the only thing they make fun of is their competition (e.g., the 50/Ja Rule beef). There's no meaning in it anymore. Chris Rock said in a recent HBO special, "I love rap music, but I'm getting tired of defending it. It's hard to defend things like, 'Move, b*tch, get out the way.'"

The hip-hop/rap subculture is a legitimate aspect of young blackness in America, but I find it unfortunate that it is the only image that is exported to the world (read Az's editorial about the Japanese kid who thinks all black people like Chingy). Hip-rap/rap subculture is an ASPECT of SOME black people but not all, and we as a people are much more than that. I also find it unfortunate that it has gone from a force meant to galvanize and mobilize disparate urban youth and degenerated into a money-making propaganda machine that brain-washes rather than engages - old school rap made you think about what it was that the artist just said; the crap that you hear on the radio is like novacaine for the brain. Worst of all, it has become just as bad as the racism that it was originally meant to combat.

In summary, I like the art form, but it's gone to hell in a handbasket. What can I do to make it better? I think if black people put their collective foot down and said, "We don't want any more of this garbage", and stopped listening, stopped buying, and stopped feeding the propaganda machine, we can reclaim rap as the art-form that it was meant to be.

[Treayn]

The first post is actually a black friend of mine who said that--not white, and if you want to see my actual reply:

You listen to One Be Lo?

Rap is alright. Never heard the 80's stuff, seems to be good.
Anyone know of any good rap artists? It's hard to find some nowadays.

[Bob]

Let me qualify first by saying that I am black.

I hope that was sarcasm

[Star Market]

Treayn - I haven't heard One Be Lo. Are they any good? I listen to The Roots (Things Fall Apart is their best album). I like some of the songs on Common's new CD Be, but not all.

I hope that was sarcasm

Hmmm...let me check real fast....

*looks at skin...then looks at pictures of parents...then looks at pictures of grandparents...then looks at picture of ancestors from 1860's Texas who were freed slaves*

Nope, Bob, sorry but that wasn't sarcasm. The last time I checked I was black. It seemed necessary for me to qualify my ethnicity since someone reading what I wrote without knowing who I am would assume that I was white and discredit my opinion, just like some of the caucasian individuals earlier in the thread whose opinions were discredited based on the fact they were white.

[Bob]

Treayn - I haven't heard One Be Lo. Are they any good? I listen to The Roots (Things Fall Apart is their best album). I like some of the songs on Common's new CD Be, but not all.



Hmmm...let me check real fast....

*looks at skin...then looks at pictures of parents...then looks at pictures of grandparents...then looks at picture of ancestors from 1860's Texas who were freed slaves*

Nope, Bob, sorry but that wasn't sarcasm. The last time I checked I was black. It seemed necessary for me to qualify my ethnicity since someone reading what I wrote without knowing who I am would assume that I was white and discredit my opinion, just like some of the caucasian individuals earlier in the thread whose opinions were discredited based on the fact they were white.

I meant the part where you think you qualify because you're black

[Star Market]

No, that's not what I meant. As I said earlier, it seemed to me that when individuals began replying, the spirit of some of the rebuttals to those replies were "[insert name] is a white guy/girl, so he/she has no idea what he's talking about, and therefore I'm not going to listen to anything he/she has to say." This fits in with the argument someone summarized earlier that only white people complain about rap in its current form. The gist of my "Allow me to qualify" statement was to assert that white people are not the only ones who complain about/dislike rap in its current state.

[Idlethought]

why is this discussion even still going on

[Treayn]

One Be Lo? See for yourself. this was an old collab.
http://www.subterraneousrecords.com/motu.html

Yeah, Things fall apart was real good. the next movement, dynamite, Ain't say nothin new i thought were great.

[Kuhool]

FUCK RAP MUSIC.

I listen to Hiphop.

Basically, Hiphop was pioneered by INNER CITY YOUTH, and never intended for Upper Class Suburbans. So all the Upper Class Suburbans can't relate to any Inner City issues (although Hiphop today seems to have mainly Upper Class images), so they talk about how fake people who rap about certain things are.

[Shuft]

/me hands Kuhool back his street credentials.
"These all seem to be in order."

[ellie]

Um, am I weird in that I listen to whatever I like, and I'm not a musicist against various types of music? I like some rap and hip hop. Some people don't. I dunno why so many people get all defensive about the music they like or dislike, and take it as a personal insult when someone else's opinion differs. Geez. Do what you like! Der.

[mamba]

I think that this is only a British thing, but a group known as Goldie lookin chain. A welsh chav rap group that were basicall a piss take but funny as hell, with such well known songs such as ' Your mothers got a penis'
and the classic ' Guns don't kill people rappers do' Worth it for the comedy value.