Pirates Vs. Ninjas Vs. Midgets [Archive]

csrjjsmp

08-16-2005, 05:53 PM

Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time.
Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).

FYI, midgets suck. The "classic" choice is between pirates, ninjas, robots, and bears.

LJustus

08-16-2005, 05:54 PM

Pirates.

YARR!!

Iekleane

08-16-2005, 05:57 PM

Well I hadn't voted yet, but the larg YAR is enough to make up my mind for me. so I'm going pirate!

Jay

08-16-2005, 06:00 PM

Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time.

Pirates have GUNS. :)

Iekleane

08-16-2005, 06:02 PM

Ninjas are pansies, take samurais for instance they can take out hundreds of ninjas in one go!

koku

08-16-2005, 06:44 PM

umm....wouldn't this be padded walls material??

anywho of course it's ninja's dude. piartes are old and boring.

midgits...no they don't compare to ninjas.

Pfalzer

08-16-2005, 07:43 PM

yeah ninjas pwn all. pirates just search for ass and get lime disease midgets are just carny folk no one cares about them. Ninjas would kill them both hands down.

Shinzon

08-16-2005, 08:38 PM

a viking would kill them ALL!

rush

08-16-2005, 09:01 PM

I vote hippos.

Jay

08-16-2005, 09:05 PM

I vote hippos.

Why do hippos make love in the water?

rush

08-16-2005, 09:07 PM

Because they ROCK.

Jay

08-16-2005, 09:08 PM

Because they ROCK.

No.

Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to keep a seven pound clitoris wet?

Hito

08-16-2005, 10:38 PM

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7986/dwin7gk.jpg

rush

08-16-2005, 11:00 PM

No.

Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to keep a seven pound clitoris wet?

.......

Do I want to even answer that?!

MajorProblem

08-16-2005, 11:41 PM

Oh come on, you know that the pirates are totally freakin awesome! More awesome than pie and cheese combined...CHEESEPIE! I have a feeling that would taste a lot like cheesecake, though...I like cheesecake...CUZ IT'S FREAKIN AWESOME!

Spy

08-16-2005, 11:52 PM

In a straight 1v1, a samurai would easily defeat a ninja (i.e. no stealth, no tricks, nothing cheap; else wise the ninja wins by default). However, Pirates can't defeat ninjas (i.e. Ninja Scroll, while the pirates are technically ninjas working alongside mutants/the undead, Jubai defeats them with his 2 partners one of which is a druid, the other a fellow ninja).

And well Midgets...they'd make for good party favors. Go to a party, get a free midget slave to do retarded things at your every whim.

Daishikaze

08-16-2005, 11:57 PM

Pirates have guns? thats your best defense against Ninja? Sorry, but not good enough, besides Ninja's used guns too, as well as mortars and grenades, and small cannons. A ninja has the right tools for any job necessary to complete their mission.

Also the Ninja's greatest strength is the ability blend in and then gain his enemies trust, thus gaining control over his enemies. Then if necessary, he can guide them to their own doom, and they would never suspect a thing.

Its all written in Ninjutsu: History and Tradition, By Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, 34th Sokè of the Togakure-ryu Ninja

Ninja's win hands down, Double checkmate

Elethiomel

08-17-2005, 12:41 AM

The outcome would depend solely on the battleground. In indoor enviroments, poorly-lit ones in particular, the ninjas could stealth-kill everyone in a matter of minutes, however, at sea and probably also during an outdoors battle, Pirates's brute force, cannons, and firearms would win the day.

Sure ninjas have all sorts of little assassin blades, poisons, and gagets, but in an actual skirmish, these things become useless.

Bliss

08-17-2005, 12:46 AM

I vote pirate maddox.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 01:05 AM

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/453/
This does show the final face-off between pirates and ninjas. It's in the last half, and it's really long, but it is AWESOME!!!! A-W-E-S-O-M-E! Like, PIE awesome

Daishikaze

08-17-2005, 01:15 AM

Sure ninjas have all sorts of little assassin blades, poisons, and gagets, but in an actual skirmish, these things become useless.

Like I Said, they don't even need them to win this. A Ninja trains to fight under any conditions, close quarters, long range, and Psychological warfare. They don't need to be close to kill you, they don't need a gun to kill you, they don't even have be in the vicinity when you die. This is the power of the true ninja, not gadgets or poison or weapons.

And if it comes to a skirmish, they can certainly hold there own against anyone.

Stop thinking in Anime/movie terms, a ninja is nothing like what is depicted in said mediums (except the Shinobi No Mono films, because Hatsumi-Sokè was in charge).

Pirates are dangerous to be sure, but their strength lies in thier weapons, without them they are nothing but cheap thugs. And I don't know how midgets got involved in this, thats just a wild card there.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 01:17 AM

Don't dis the midgets, they have magical powers

h2orowe

08-17-2005, 01:20 AM

Ninjas. It's that simple.

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 01:23 AM

http://www.yasuragidojo.com/YasuragiCenterBooksandMedia.asp

Depicts the vast number of weaponry used by warriors in ancient Japan.

Hey folks guess what a ninja was? *gasp* A warrior of ancient Japan!

They are not some badass thing that relys on only his body and mind to fight and are trained to fight in all conditions.

Ninjas were trained as assasins folks thats right assasins yes they trained their body and mind but they relied on weapons and poisons. Granted ninjas are baddass but against a large amount of enemies they are toast unless they can somehow manage to keep hidden. Therefore on the boat they would be taken out easy. Why? No place to hide the body where it could not be found, can't drop it in the water it would splash. So by far the 2 would be equals because they could not be able to beat each other on the others turf.

Thespis

08-17-2005, 01:52 AM

Ninjas for sure, but they have to be purple ones.

Annie

08-17-2005, 01:55 AM

My boyfriend's a pirate so... naturally I'll be rooting for the cappin'

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:03 AM

Come on, pirates are so badass! The ninja's are all like "HIYA!" and then go off to play Starcraft while the pirates are all like "ARG!" and shoot them with a pistol and it's FREAKIN AWESOME

Daishikaze

08-17-2005, 02:12 AM

They did not rely on poisons and blades, they could just as easily kill with their bare hands, believe me I have been on the receiving end of some potentially fatal strikes and grapples when I studied ninjutsu for couple of years.

Ninjas used poisons and blades and other weapons, but only when the mission called for it, they were not simply assassins, they were spys as well, so a great deal of their time was spent observing, this often meant hiding in plain sight right under their targets nose. This also meant that they often had limited or no access to weapons, so a ninja needs to master taijutsu so he can protect himself and/or kill when it becomes necessary to do so.

Read Hatsumi-Sokè's books, don't just take my word for it.

Also Pirates aren't that friendly, even to eachother, a good ninja would use that to his advantage and manipulate things in a way that The pirates would suspect eachother. Thats called psychological warfare and its one of the the many weapons a ninja must possess.

Read the books my friend, Hatsumi-Sokè knows what he's talking about

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:14 AM

Ok he would turn the pirates against eachother but what makes you think he wouldnt kill the ninja before killing everyone else? THAT shows badassnes.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:16 AM

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/453/
*bump* I'm trying to show you guys the most badass animation ever, but you don't listen!

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:18 AM

I've read the book I have no need to watch a crappily made animation that probably veers all the way out into no-where about some random stuff.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:21 AM

:(
That hurts, I like the animation
Note: it hurts because it's the favorite animation of my band of friends and I

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:24 AM

there are better animations out there.
Try http://newgrounds.com

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:26 AM

Newgrounds has lots of perverted things on it...also, I don't find video game-related animations funny, which is about 85% of all of them. Sure they have quantity, but most aren't even that great. nevertheless, the animation I posted has ninja's AND pirates AND sharks

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:33 AM

sharks=pointless
ninjas=pointless
=pirates=kick all their asses with a pegleg tied behind em.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:35 AM

Alright, so it's pirates who ride on flaming sharks to destroy the "mockingbirds" and in the process they skirmish with the ninjas and stuff. If that isn't Shakespeare shit, I'm quitting school

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:37 AM

no because shakespear liked to take it in the ass by midgets so he doesn't mention ninjas or pirates.

MajorProblem

08-17-2005, 02:40 AM

Hmmm...guess that wild crack midget orgy would explain why he wrote such crappy stuff...YES I SAID SHAKESPEARE WROTE CRAPPY STUFF! I'm about to get scolded by someone who studied Shakespeare for 14 years and I'm gonna feel bad

Iekleane

08-17-2005, 02:47 AM

Shakespear was a plagerist.

sakana

08-17-2005, 03:26 AM

Pirates are awesome, I love pirates, I fully support talk like a pirate day but I'd have to go with ninjas on this one. They're really sneaky :p

Pfalzer

08-17-2005, 03:53 AM

Ass pirates theres no such things as ass ninjas or ass midgets but they have ass pirates why because pirates bury booty or the bury something into booties haha ergo pirates are gay!

Benaire

08-17-2005, 05:26 AM

Scroll down and read the real reasons ninjas would beat pirates.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=8413&view=by_date_ascending&page=40

Rogue_7

08-17-2005, 05:32 AM

Midgets < Pirates < Ninja < Space Pirates < Space Ninja

cause hey, Space Ninja rock and are better than everything!

csrjjsmp

08-17-2005, 05:59 AM

http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

l337m45t3r

08-17-2005, 08:42 AM

As cool as pirates are I've got to vote Ninja on this one. The pirates would be too hungover to fight well.

Myrsilus

08-17-2005, 09:12 AM

Ninja would win all the way. I know because I've been punched, kicked, thrown, smacked, pinned, contorted, slammed, and taught my a ninja. He's American, but a ninja. Some people seem to think, also, that samurai were more skilled than ninja. This may have been the case in some instances, but ninja were not just expendable men sent out like some sort of kamikaze force. They were trained to kill, and kill FAST. Some of the techniques for killing I've had done on me(obviously not to the death part) come so fast that one would never see it coming. Then they also believe in surviving under any means necessary, so what may seem dishonorable to the samurai is just part of the job to the ninja.

Their sword skills were also top-notch and they were well known for the illusionary tactics... such as having a large saya(sheath) and then drawing a short blade. This made it seem like they were the fastest iado practitoners on earth. They knew how espionage, killing, and how to confuse their opponents. Movies really glorify samurai but the ninja is not really talked about in detail.

Edit: I'll also mention that trained ninja were experts at evasion. This means that when an attack came, they could dodge it with the most minimal of movement. This is the art of taijutsu. Anyway, this opened enemies up for some deathblows.

Daishikaze

08-17-2005, 09:29 AM

Thank you for backing me up on this, Fujin.

Yeah I remember seeing how different Ninja Kenjutsu is to other schools, My teacher took me to an Iaido dojo once, and the instructor showed us some techniques. I was really impressed with how fast the guy was and how deadly each movement was.

at my Next lesson, my teacher showed me some Ninja Kenjutsu. He made the Iaido instructor look like a snail by comparison. His movements also seemed much more fluid that the Iaido instructor's movements. Also seeing some of the techniques depicted in Hatsumi-Sokè's book, I was even more impressed with what a ninja could do.

I vividly remember all the painful strikes and holds my teacher showed me. It surprised me how sometimes the tiniest, seemingly insignificant pressure applied in a certain way could cause such incredible pain.

One thing I remember clearly was the disarming strike he taught me. He used it on me, and I couldn't feel my arm for about 10 minutes,and even after that I could barely hold anything in that hand for another 10 minutes.

Ah the memories, I wish I could continue training, but My instructor had alot of personal problems getting in the way so he had to stop teaching. I could go to the Dojo in Zurich, but thats 2 and a half hours by train, and its rather costly to go to and from Zurich.

Nessa

08-17-2005, 09:34 AM

Ninja Wizards!

Myrsilus

08-17-2005, 09:37 AM

Daishikzae, I finally have someone to relate to. :D

Yes, the ninja, even today, must know how to deal with an opponent fast and have it done with quick. Sometimes the samurai stuck to following a technique completely, afraid to change, while the ninja would alter many techniques in order to baffle their enemies. Happens to me a lot, I'll tell you. My intructor once showed us a traditional stance for kenjutsu... I forget the name, but it is where you hold the sword similar to a baseball bat. Most practitioners hold their arms out wide, which leaves the ribs open and can slow down movement. It also defeats the purpose of using the waist to cut since your arm is so high above it. He, however, left his front arm covering the ribs, therefore defending the bones to some degree but more importantly forced himself to cut with his hips. Needless to say, he cuts extremely fast.

Yep, the ninja were experts at disabling opponents by targeting weak areas upon a body. Ninja were not just great with their multitudes of weapons, they were also experts at hand-to-hand combat. And not punch-punch-kick stuff either. It was more like enemy punches, ninja intercepts, locks arm, takes down and may break arm along the way or breaks arm when opponent is on the floor, then a stomp to the head. Ninja did not fuck around. Still don't.

Sorry you can no longer train man. It is an amazing art. One of the most sensible ones I have ever had the opportunity of coming across.

Ninja win.

Edit: I should also note Hatsumi is my hero. Dedicated man, I tell you.

Shinzon

08-17-2005, 09:43 AM

http://www.bilforumet.net/images/hos/turbo-man.jpg

(from High Octane: Detonate/scandinavia)

Daishikaze

08-17-2005, 09:47 AM

I know, I really miss training, no matter how painful it could be haha.

I'll probably wind up going up to Zurich eventually, its just that it will put a huge dent in my wallet going up there all the time.

BTW, if you want to see real Ninja techniques in action, seek out the Shinobi No Mono films. Hatsumi-Sokè and his master, Takamatsu-Sokè directed all the action choreography, and it portray actual Togakure-ryu techniques they way they were performed by the Ninja of the Sengoku period. Great series of films.

Myrsilus

08-17-2005, 09:54 AM

I'm going to look into seeing that movie. I really have never seen any martial arts films that could emulate what I've seen and trained in, so it'd be a nice change. I get tired of all this "punch-kick stuff until the body wears out" stuff anyway.

And yeah, for anyone actually curious about ninjutsu training... It is painful. You will hurt. A few months ago we were practicing a hip-toss technique, but it involved using the arm more at the elbow on the hip to do the toss... So basically if done at normal battle speed, the arm would snap like a twig. Well this guy accidently went too fast and snapped my arm right out of its socket. You learn how to be a good "ukemi"(training partner, basically... I think. Forgive me if I am wrong, but that's basically what it is.), so you learn how to hit the ground right when tossed or to let your partner know that something HURTS. So I was able to make the guy stop before my arm completely went out. It snapped back in, but damn... My arm was gone for a while after that. This art is not for the weak, but the lessons learned will stick with you forever.

scan2001

08-17-2005, 01:50 PM

Midget would win because they can put into cannons and be use as cannonballs. By doing this they can destory any ninja or pirates. Midget have the power.

DQuaN

08-17-2005, 03:12 PM

Ninja anyday.

When I saw that one person had voted for "Midget", I thought to myself, I bet that was Jay! So I clicked on it and..........

What a suprise!!

Kusoyaro

08-18-2005, 05:45 AM

kensei

08-18-2005, 05:50 AM

The best ninjutsu teachers are people who aren't known to the public. Of course, most of them are in Japan, so I don't think it matters anyways ^^' Out of curiosity, have you trained in kenjutsu?

Benaire

08-18-2005, 05:52 AM

Musashi???

Myrsilus

08-18-2005, 05:54 AM

ninja, of course
i have the realultimatepower book, lol
yo, guys,. i recently concluded my gataka and jkd, and was thinking about taking some capoeira, but now i can't since i'm moving a bit aways and i can't get to the guy. i'm beginning to get interested in this ninja stuff, never been much into it, what schools and forms would u recommend?
Jeet Kune Do? Congrats, one of the better fighting systems out there in my opinion. Capoeira is more like a very good workout, though... I have a friend that uses that fighting style and I can usually floor him easily while he is dancing around. In my opinion, the key to winning a fight is to use the least amount of energy possible while taking whatever strength your opponent has away from them. Capoeira relies on LOTS of stamina and rather slow movements compared to the simpler types.

Ninja stuff, though... Hmm... Anything linked to Takamatsu and/or Hatsumi-sensei. That is what I study. I've already described it in detail, but yes there are different schools with different styles. Some deal more with grappling, some deal with more acrobatics (not as bad as it sounds, some of the most deadly attacks can be acrobatic, including grapling if you are fast enough). Just try to find a ninjutsu class and talk to the members.

Edit: Btw, about most of the best ninjutsu masters being unknown... So not true. Takamatsu was an amazing example of a martial artist who endured many battles. Hatsumi was his student, and while he says he is nothing compared to Takamatsu, he is still an amazing martial artist. Look more into these people.

Kusoyaro

08-18-2005, 05:54 AM

musashi is god
kenjtsu? i did about 2 years when i was 13, thats about it.
why?
edit: ah, ok, i took 3 months of ninjitsu and then got my face cracked by my brother, so i stopped.
im in toronto right now (my capo instrc was back where my folks live), so i need a dojo or instrc who is close by, any recommendations?
edit again:ah, thnx

kensei

08-18-2005, 06:00 AM

Just cuirous is all. I hear they have a pretty decent kenjutsu federation in Toronto. I've been working to develop the family style of kenjutsu, myself. I've also wanted to train in capoeira, but I'm really in the worst shape of my life *sighs* Have you ever thought of training in drunken boxing?

(Oh, and and in regards to the Musashi is god comment: I hope you know where my screen name's derived. Musashi truly earned his title.)

Kusoyaro

08-18-2005, 06:06 AM

ya, i didn't pick it out till now, ><'
never been trained in that style, no.so, kenj is pretty decent up here eh? ill look into that, then.
musashi again: i keep his 5 spheres (as well as some other things) on me everywhere i go, literally.

Janken

08-18-2005, 10:32 AM

This argument has taken place on many a forum across the internet.

A ninja vs pirate fight would go like so.

*Ninja runs at Pirate with sword in hand*
*Pirate takes out gun, points at Ninja and pulls trigger.*
*Ninja dies*

End of story.

kensei

08-18-2005, 10:42 AM

You could very be correct, Fujin (in regards to the whole ninja sensei thing). I'm in no way denying that the names you mentioned are those of great martial artists. I'm just repeating what I've been told on the matter *shrugs*

Pseudonym fails on the basis that a skilled ninja throwing a shuriken or kunai would be much accurate than a (probably drunken) pirate firing one of those old powder pistols.

Janken

08-18-2005, 10:55 AM

True enough, but a pirate has lots of coverage, so he could just duck behind a barrel or something whilst on his ship..also a ninja throwing a shuriken or a kunai would also go much slower than his powder pistol making it easier to dodge, even while drunk. A drunk with a pistol is still dangerous.

kensei

08-18-2005, 11:08 AM

Valid point, I suppose, but the variable here is setting. Where you engage in combat can be a deciding factor. Also, the average pirate's reflexes aren't up to par with that of your average ninja, correct? It would be a bit more difficult for your average pirate to dodge a sharp point of metally death thrown by a ninja, let alone several. Then take into consideration how long it would take for said pirate to reload his gun. And just so no one feels cheated, a midget would be punted by either pirate or ninja.

Janken

08-18-2005, 11:18 AM

Myrsilus

08-18-2005, 11:25 AM

How would it be more difficult to dodge a "sharp point of metally death"? Even if there were several they'd still be going slower than a pirate would dodge, I'd say. Plus, what if the combat was ranged? The ninja couldn't make his wussy star go forever, and even at distances it might not be fatal. Maybe it'd poke them and draw blood and hurt, but who is to say that said object would be fatal? A gunshot has a much better chance of killing a person, just because of the force in which the shot is projected. Plus, ninjas have their honor code where pirates could gang up on the ninja and hand his ass too him. Unhonorable, yes, but dead ninja just the same.
Tsk tsk. There are usually two methods of throwing a shuriken. One involves having it horizontal with your wrist and then flinging it with the wrist. It's mostly used to send something off quick and to create distraction. The other method involves holding it upwards near your head, then using the whole body and arm to fling it viciously at the opponent... thereby causing even greater damage at a high speed.

The ninja also could use knives, and throwing them was not difficult for them either. Not all things they threw were thrown weakly. A good knife with the proper throw can go a long way. Ninja also used guns when they needed to, but that was posted earlier so I'll move on.

Ninja had a code of honor, yes, but it wasn't like the samurai. A ninja, truly, did not give a flying fuck about fighting one-on-one to uphold some sort of honor. They could swarm and destroy an opponent just as well as anyone not restrained by honor. I'm going to sum this up really nice. A ninja fought to SURVIVE, not for honor.

Janken

08-18-2005, 11:38 AM

I'll take my horde of drunken pirates over your wussy ninja with shurikens any day. All the fancy ways to throw a shuriken won't change the fact that pirates could hand their asses to them any day of the week. Naturally, pirates would be on a ship, where they have many weapons they could employ to kick the shit out of a ninja. One, if the ninja wouldn't be too busy running away, the pirate could just punch the ninja the face. You'll probably be telling me that the ninjas have all kinds of ninjutsu shit, but if you got a huge pirate vs a little dude with shurikens, it wouldn't really matter. But if the pirate didn't want to bloody his hands any further than they already were, they could shoot the fucker, as I've said before. Also, they have cannons, which could be used to fire at any stupid ninja sitting near a coast as their pirate ship passes by, and, they have a sword, which they'd use in close combat. Also, their ship is probably going to have all sorts of crates and barrels on them, so they could chuck those or duck behind them if the ninja would throw shurikens. Seeing as how I would never imagine a ninja work in a team, it's pretty much be 1 ninja vs a whole horde of pirates on the ship.

If the pirate was out pilliaging or raping women or at a tavern, the pirate would have his sword and gun with him, atleast, and cover all over the place.

Plus pirates have beards. And beards are badass. Oh, and harpoons too.

I'd like to see your ninja throw a shuriken so hard it could split a tree or barrel or anything in two.

Myrsilus

08-18-2005, 12:00 PM

Perhaps pirates would be better equipped for a naval battle, but how often do you think ninja were out on the seas? Not very often, sorry. This encounter is so unlikely it should be dropped. I'll give you this one, though, since you're so adamant about it. Won't even go into other tactics at the hands of a ninja.

When you say a big ol' pirate will punch a lil' ol' ninja, I AM going to say they have ninjutsu shit, because that's their strongest weapon. You seem to believe that the size of the pirate will override the fact that the ninja was taught to use an opponent's actions against themselves. Pirates were not some specially trained military force, they were barbarians who looted. I can defend the ninja on this front because I've been in the situation of dealing with a man way larger than me. I'm 5'5 and some opponents I've fought have been 6' and up. If they can't punch with efficiency, which is not what they were trained for, then their size just becomes more leverage to send them to the ground and break their arm. Or if the grappling won't do, ninja had many short-ranged weapons, such as wakizashi, tanto, iron claws, and their own body. Don't knock the ninja fighting style if you truly think brute strength could overcome it.

And like I've said before, the ninja used guns, too.

Okay, let's say a ninja, for some reason, decided to go onto a ship filled with pirates and crates. Ninja are smarter than you seem to want to believe as they were experts at moving fast while possibly throwing an object at their opponent. They just don't stand there and trade ammunition. Crates and barrels would provide cover for all sides.

Even when I just said the ninja code of honor had nothing to do with forcing oneself to fighting an opponent alone, you still refuse to accept it. Stop watching ninja movies. Ninja, when faced with a daunting task against numerous enemies, did NOT send one ninja out to the do job. They were efficient killers and planned out their battles.

Ninja were known for the amazing speed and illusionary tactics, so if a ninja somehow needed to kill a pirate in a tavern, they would probably, first of all, not be dressed like a ninja. They dressed like normal citizens. Then they would have weapons hidden within their robes, especially the sleeves. A pirate would probably never know what hit him.

As far as harpoons go, the ninja could also use the bo staff, hanbo (half staff), naginata (polearm with katana-like blade at end), yari (Japanese spear). They had ranged weapons as well, and using one as a javelin is not unheard of. Other interesting weapons are the iron claws (used for climbing and close-range slashing), kusari-gama (chain with sickle on one end and a weight on the other), shuriken (stars and dart-like shurikens), caltrops (steel spikes thrown all over the ground to impede pursuers), various bombs, and many other useful things. The ninja was equipped for almost any situation the ninja may encounter.

kensei

08-18-2005, 12:35 PM

Ninja Jack Sparrow.

Daishikaze

08-18-2005, 01:56 PM

I love how people ignore the points Fujin and I make, and people still insist that brute strength and firearms conquer all Tsk tsk.

Firstly, look at what Fujin has said about the brute strength factor, he knows what he's talking about.

Secondly, I told you all in my first post of the thread that Ninjas are also masters of firearms and explosives. They used guns when ever the situation merited their use, They also used small handheld cannons(Sodezutsu) and wooden Mortars(Ohzutsu). They also used explosive charges and grenades(Nagedeppo), so they were certain far from helpless in a fire fight.

Y'all make is sound as if the ninja always used a sword and couldn't fight any other way. When Fujin and I tell you they could under all conditions we mean it. Don't believe us? ask Hatsumi-Sokè, read his books, all the weapons and techniques we described here are written about and pictured in those books

I like Pirates too, but I'm not blind. The facts don't lie.

kensei

08-18-2005, 03:14 PM

Hey, I tried to pacify the argument with my Ninja Jack Sparrow!

One thing that irked me, though:

One, if the ninja wouldn't be too busy running away, the pirate could just punch the ninja the face. You'll probably be telling me that the ninjas have all kinds of ninjutsu shit, but if you got a huge pirate vs a little dude with shurikens, it wouldn't really matter.
Funny. If I remember correctly, Brue Lee was roughly 5'7, and you can be damn skippy he could take a punch from any burly pirate you could've thrown at him. Maybe the analogy here is a little much, though. Still he's just some little dude with a martial arts background.

Pfalzer

08-18-2005, 03:22 PM

Actually Japan had very very nice ships during the fuedal era.

Kusoyaro

08-19-2005, 12:05 AM

Ya, Pseudonym is a fat moron, ninjas would truly own everything. Seriously, I'm going to organize this fight where a real ninja and a real pirate would fight. The ninja would be asian, because that comes with the argument (white pirate asian ninja, right?) and I'll have to scour the earth looking for a european pirate. the only places where pirates still exist are in the pacific, chinese and indian seas. but im sure there'll be one or two white guys.
then we could see whow wins. and we'll have it set on a real pirate ship, like in the old days, with lots of pirates and maybe 5 ninja, and they'd fight to the death. i will; do that when im older and have some more dosh.

Myrsilus

08-19-2005, 12:05 AM

I'm glad Daishikaze can back up my arguments well.

And the Bruce Lee analogy is an excellent one because he was a freaking amazing martial artist. Many say movies over-glorified the man but if one actually takes the time to study about his training and the little-known fights he's been in, one would discover he was a master of martial arts and the human body's mechanics. Not only could he take a mean punch due to the natural armor his marble-like muscle provided, but he also could send people flying with the simplest of movements because he knew how to use his body to the full potential. Ninja also knew these types of techniques because a HUGE, HUGE part of ninjutsu is taijutsu, the art of moving the body. A master of taijutsu can escape nearly any attack and manipulate an opponent to any position that is convenient. They could also make the simplest attacks, like punches, become horribly painful weapons in their arsenal. Taijutsu also deals with how to target the weak points of the body... like the skin. Yes, the skin. Ever hear of flesh grabs? They are extremely painful especially with a ninja with a well-conditioned hand. Then they knew where to hit with precision in order to disable the human body.

Also an interesting note I feel is worthy of noting. The previously mentioned kusari-gama usually came with the weight end of the weapon being adorned in nasty hooks and spikes. This was an amazingly effective weapon against samurai armor. It was considered by some to be the best weapon against a fully-armored samurai since the spikes and hooks could pierce armor and flesh, and could rip the armor away when the chain was retracted back to the user.

Interesting stuff, no?

Daishikaze

08-19-2005, 12:27 AM

Myrsilus

08-19-2005, 12:34 AM

Also the Kusari-gama had different variations.

The Mamukigama for instance, was a Kama with a long cord made out of Woman's or horse hair, and additionally to the weight they would bind a terrified poisonous snake. So while the opponent was busy trying to deal with snakebites, the ninja would advance with the sickle and finish him off.

The Bakuhatsugama had an eggshell carrier attached to the chain. This carrier could contain explosives, poisonous liquids, or blinding powders that would be released on impact

They also has Large battlefield Kusari-gama that could be wielded like an axe.

Then there is a similar weapon, The Kyoketsu-shogi. with has a Hooked blade at one end and a heavy iron ring tied to the other end of is cord. There is a picture in one of his books, of Hatsumi-Sokè using one while the ring was on fire, an intimidating sight to be sure.
Yeah I've heard of all of those. I especially like the idea of the mamukigama and the Bakuhatsugama. The war version of the weapon also came with a much larger weight for bashing in armor. Not to mention the previously noted hooks and spikes. Deadly, deadly weapon. It's also extremely difficult to master.

The one I was having a hard time to remember, however, was the kyoketsu-shogi. I've actually practiced with it. It makes for a great, diverse weapon since it can be very easily concealed for surprise attacks and makes for a great grappling weapon (the ring can be gripped while you choke the enemy and toss them by their neck, then by pulling the ring and jabbing the blade while sinking your weight down, you can send the blade into their body). The ring can also be used to bash the face in.

Samurai, pirates, and midgets could never match the arsenal of the ninja.