Sexuality... when is too young?

[h2orowe]

I'm 15, and I'm attracted to girls around my age.
Girls my age dress up to attract boys my age. I think they dress too revealing though. It's like, I try not to even look at girls like in a "I'd tap her all night long" way anymore, I'm trying to get over looks, which I don't judge on looks, but I'm trying to rise above "checking out" girls, to me it's disrespectful, but damn it, is it hard to when their ass is hanging out!

I hate seeing girls my age dressing all slutty, because that's like waving "Pedo-Candy" in front of a hungry lonely 40 year old.

I'm disgusted with how many 12 year olds, and under are dressing like little mini skanks, it's.... well.... it's disgusting.

I hate to blame the TV, and other media outlets, but it is the reason why little girls are trying to look "Hot".
They dress up all revealing because their hero.... Paris Hilton (God damn, I hate her) is doing it.


What do you think of this?

[morganlefayw]

You want an answer as to why these girls do this? Read "Branded: The Buying and Selling of Teenagers". It'll keep you up at night after you're done reading...thinking....and being creeped out. It's because the way the current market is targeted to them, it's peer pressure, it's being surronded with these influences 24/7 that make them succumb to the tempations. Go pick up any random beauty magazine, flip through and in under 5 seconds, you'll understand. Females are bombarded left, right, forwards, backwards and upside down by images of sinewy, thin blondes with perfect manes, aqualine noses, baring everything for an ad featuring perfume, hairspray, etc. They are told by these ads that in order to be percived as attractive by the opposite sex, they must look and dress this way.
Now, I'm 22 and prefer to run around in jeans and t-shirts for comfort, but I am aware of the stares I get when I slip into a skirt and combat boots. And when I see 12 year olds come to my work dressed like that, there's nothing anyone can do, save their parents.
Or, ask the girls themselves.
Or go read the book. Be warned: you will be creeped out. Majorly.

[h2orowe]

Man, we need a smart female figurehead in the media, one that'll influence our little ladies to think for themselves, instead of follow Paris Hilton.

[keitaidensha]

i think you're trying to look mature to impress some people that don't care about you as much as you think they do and missing the point of high school

go get some ass, my friend

[Mogymog]

Welll I'm gonna bring in my opinion, which will probably be attacked and assualted cause it's my opinoin, but here goes..

When is too young, is based on the person. A young girl wants to dress up slutty, thats her thing, let her, so what. She'll just get mocked at and called names, and this and that..

As for attracting lonely 40 year olds? Palese! If a child molestor wants to take a child. The clothes they wear, really got nothing to do with it. And so some 40 year old guy gets a nic show goes home and enjoys his fantasies in private, no one's business but his.

But, let kids be kids.. I mean, if 10 year olds start running around in like sexy-lingerie and calling tha tday wear.. Well, that could be a bit much. But a skirt, or even like cheerleader wear, isn't that bad. When I was 12, we had 12 year old girls dressing up in tiny skirts to promote sports.

[Katiekoneko]

Today..at the mall
I saw at 10-12 year old looking to buy a thong
Who is going to see her wearing that?!

I was shocked.
She looked.. so young.. like a baby.
I couldnt believe it.

[h2orowe]

Ewwww....
Why the hell are companies making lingerie for kids so young >.<;
Buy your thong and get the newest edition of Barney Sing-a-Long adventures for half off!

[Xenotrauma]

I used to work for Sears, and the single worst job for me to wind up doing in the store was to have to straighten the panty tables over in the juniors section :| I swear half the time my boss would send me over there just so he could watch the customers come in and give a cold horrible look to the 20 year old guy rummaging through the little girl's underwear -_-* HATE!

[Lateli]

"12 yr olds" are dressing so slutty these days. All I can hope is that their Sex-Ed teacher teaches them how not to bring babies into the world by use of rubber and pills and whatever else... Rather than only teach them how to keep their legs closed, 'cause if they fall so easily to dress-code peer pressure, well, sex will be all too common.

[Anubis Nine]

I think that fooling around at the age of 12 is ok. I mean come on. Who didn't have a friend of the opposite gender when they were from 5-7? And it's not just the girls that should be taught to 'keep their legs closed' Boys ought be educated to. If you start off early that it is some of their responsibility with the no babies thing. The better it'll kick in.

(By the way, I've never met a 12 year old (And I have a vast experience with them, my brother is that age) boy who actually wanted to have sex with a girl. They'd talk about it, but really. No. Not only can I not see it happening but really just no.)

I have problems with marketers making hooker boots for toddlers, High freaking heels on a toddler even.

The manufacturors and companies should be prosecuted.

I give the harshest glares I can give to parents WILLINGLY buying their little girl slut clothes. Ugh.

[MeneerDijk]

I think it's quite horrible to market stuff to kids in an adult way. But as long as kids have money, they will be marketed to. Sometimes you hear about governements introducing laws that prohibit agressive marketing techniques to kids, but the marketeer will always find another way to reach them. It's a neverending cyclus, and i'm wondering if it'll ever end.

About the sex age topic of this thread: I don't think you can set a specific age for when people can have sex, there's too much difference in maturity and attitude. But i'd just keep a safe margin and say: sex is ok when the participating party's can both handle the responsability of possible reprecussions.
When i look at myself at the age of 15 i was a raging tub of hormones aching to 'get it on' but if i look at '15 year old me' from this age, i wouldn't be comfortable with the idea of me having sex at that age.

[PopCulturePooka]

Today..at the mall
I saw at 10-12 year old looking to buy a thong
Who is going to see her wearing that?!

I was shocked.
She looked.. so young.. like a baby.
I couldnt believe it.
Dancers?
My cousin is 11 and a dancer. She needs thongs for her leotards.

More on the actual topic later.

[Arctic_Slicer]

I read an article about the Bratz Pack dolls and how many people are trying to get them taken off of the shelves. The causes behind this is some of things other posters have already said.

[DJ_one]

I agree with Mogymog, I don't think the way a 12-15 year old or child of any age dressing in anyway is going to attract paedophiles, a paedophiles are going to be attracted to young girls anyway, so I think its a bit of a non-argument, its down to parents to decide what they will allow their child to wear, I've told a couple of my nieces I'd put them in Burkas, it seems to make them dress a bit more modestly by making a joke of it than outright saying thats not appropriate, otherwise it would set off the "rebel teenager" mode.

For h2orowe, theres nothing wrong with being attracted to girls your age, ask a girl you like out and date, hang out and have some fun, stop worrying about whether some girls are dressed to revealing in your view, we all have different opinions, but who's to say some girl you may think is dressed inappropriately is actually slutty, and if you can act responsibly on your part then good for you.

[Frankey-eh]

in addition to girls... guys are wearing cologn at age 7, from what I've just heard less than an hour ago.

I'd hate to think what high school would look like in ten years...

[Sock Full of Boiled Dimes]

Have the parents wear the thongs.

That should get the kids out of the phase.

If the parents are stuck on the thongs then get their parents to wear thongs.

I'm certain that this will ruin thongs for everyone.

[ChronoSphere]

When there's grass on the infield, play ball!














j/k

[Soli]

>.< Welcome to my world as a female in Jr. High. Ugggh

[Citizen]

I normally don't care how a person dresses, but I do get pissed when I turn the TV on and see little 10-14 year-old dipshits that look like amature porn stars.

[Mogymog]

Wow.. Solitudity is scary! She's a middle-school girl thats not all like 'Well we wear thongs and other slut-wear, cause it's cool and fashionable, and everyones doing it' .. She must be the first I've ever met that seems opposed to the sickening, disgraceful ways of the modern teenie-boper.. Go Solitudity! =P

[morganlefayw]

Reasons they dress as they do:
1. Kids today have bigger allowances
2. Many parents work ALOT, so to make up for it, they willingly buythese clothes for their kids b/c of their guilt about over-working or give them the money to buy it.
3. Advertising, advertising, advertising.
4. And this last one especially creates big BIG pressure from social circles and close friends.
To those females who have not at this age been affected by it and find it disturging, I applaud you.
My thirteen year old cousin wears thongs and i told her it grosses me out, but she told me she feels sexy wearing them. But she also said that she wears them her for, not for anyone else. But it still grosses me out.

[Firefly]

I


I give the harshest glares I can give to parents WILLINGLY buying their little girl slut clothes. Ugh.

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. People love to blame the girls, the companies, the advertising, but...in all this, where are the parents? The littel girl that Katiekoneko saw, the 12 year old picking up a thong...where was her mom/dad? If the parents are encouraging this behavior...then...the parent has no right to blame anyone but themselves. Their daughter doesn't HAVE to go into Victoria's Seceret. She doesn't HAVE to buy that kind of undewear, no matter how loudly she kicks and she screams.

The media pushes things to far sometimes. [Hello? Notice how things are usually exagerated in movies?] They want to sell, sell, sell. They want customers and money. If they put an ad in the wrong place (i.e. Giselle modeling a new lacey thong in Little Girls Weekly) then yeah, that deserves some prosecution of some sort. But if you are letting your 10 year old read Cosmo...that's YOUR fault.

[Monkey]

What's worse in my opinion is the fact that all this makeup and adult dressing is bloody confusing for a guy. When you see a girl and think "Hmm, she's quite hot", then you find out she's only 14, it does kind of make you feel disgusted. I do think that girls exposure to sexuality should be kept quite low. There's nothing worse than seeing a 12 year old in a miniskirt or thong...

[Lee]

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. People love to blame the girls, the companies, the advertising, but...in all this, where are the parents? The littel girl that Katiekoneko saw, the 12 year old picking up a thong...where was her mom/dad? If the parents are encouraging this behavior...then...the parent has no right to blame anyone but themselves. Their daughter doesn't HAVE to go into Victoria's Seceret. She doesn't HAVE to buy that kind of undewear, no matter how loudly she kicks and she screams.

The media pushes things to far sometimes. [Hello? Notice how things are usually exagerated in movies?] They want to sell, sell, sell. They want customers and money. If they put an ad in the wrong place (i.e. Giselle modeling a new lacey thong in Little Girls Weekly) then yeah, that deserves some prosecution of some sort. But if you are letting your 10 year old read Cosmo...that's YOUR fault.

Agreed. I think the parents are getting a bit too lenient these days. Sure we can all put blame on the media and magazines, but there is no way a non-working 12-15 year old can read these types of Magazines, buy slutty clothes or watch the idiotic shows on TV if the parents don't allow so.

I think 18 is pretty much the perfect age for sex; of course, no one ever goes by that guideline. I was 15 I think :rolleyes:

[D-pad]

Agreed. I think the parents are getting a bit too lenient these days. Sure we can all put blame on the media and magazines, but there is no way a non-working 12-15 year old can read these types of Magazines, buy slutty clothes or watch the idiotic shows on TV if the parents don't allow so.

I think 18 is pretty much the perfect age for sex; of course, no one ever goes by that guideline. I was 15 I think :rolleyes:
I think 14 and you can start to dress slightly appealing. I just laugh when I see a 6th or 7th grader postitot.....

[Azriel]

At my school you'll constantly here mocking that people are virgins.

[moo]

Thats odd, in my school I do not think anyone really cares if anyone is a virgin. That may be because there are a ton of geeks.....

No I am not one of em :(.

[h2orowe]

Ehh, I have to admit X3 I'm attracted to it, but I'm trying to get over the whole looks thing, like I don't judge on looks, but I admit I'm nicer off the bat to girls who're more attractive than to girls who are less :\ That makes me feel bad, hehe.

It's the parents fault, like people pointed out. I don't think sex really has an age (jesus as long as you're above 14, I mean) but it should be if they know they're ready, not because the newest teen movie isi like OH EM EFF GEE SEX IS THE WAY TO BE!
-.- Man..... walking around on campus... I'm tryin' not to stare! I try, but sometimes it's hypnotic! I mean X3 Big ass in tight jeans, hehe.

[OliveButtercup]

I read about some teeny bopper store like Limited Too or something selling kiddie thongs a couple of years back, and I thought it was gross. Anyway I think under 14 is way too young to be having sex.

[Aria]

Y'know what's funny about thongs and young girls? They don't know that they're going to end up with a UTI one of these days. They think they're being all cool, but really they're setting themselves up for a major bacterial infection that is in no way, shape, or form ANY fun and it definitely stops you from feeling sexy for a very long time.

[Azriel]

They only wear butt floss so they can wear tight clothes. It's like: what if you were wearing a thong and someone yanked upwards on it? Is there any diffrence? Plus, it's like they want to show off their thongs by wearing low cut pants and then leaning as forward as possible without a gut falling over there pants... it's disturbing.

[TygressVirgo]

Kudos to you h2orowe!

What I never got in high school was the whole saggy pants thing. Do guys really think that it looks attractive?

[Soli]

Wow.. Solitudity is scary! She's a middle-school girl thats not all like 'Well we wear thongs and other slut-wear, cause it's cool and fashionable, and everyones doing it' .. She must be the first I've ever met that seems opposed to the sickening, disgraceful ways of the modern teenie-boper.. Go Solitudity! =P

Hee hee hee. Slut-wear! :p I'm honered and proud of my slutlessness! :D

Anyway, I got this from my grandmother in an e-mail:

TEEN POVERTY IN AMERICA

I just spent several hours observing teenagers hanging out at our local mall. I came to the conclusion many teenagers in America today are living in poverty. Most young men I observed didn't even own a belt; there was not one among the whole group.

But that wasn't the sad part. Many were wearing their daddy's jeans. Some jeans were so big and baggy they hung low on their hips, exposing their underwear. I know some must have been ashamed their daddy was short, because his jeans hardly went below their knees. They weren't even their daddies' good jeans, for most had holes ripped in the knees and a dirty look to them.

It grieved me that in a modern, affluent society like America, there are people who can't afford a decent pair of jeans. I was thinking about asking my church to start a jeans drive for "poor kids at the mall." Then on Christmas Eve, I could go Christmas caroling and distribute jeans to these poor teenagers.

But here is the saddest part..... it was the girls they were hanging out with that disturbed me most. I never, in all of my life, seen such poverty-stricken girls. These girls had the opposite problem of the guys; they all had to wear their little sisters' clothes. Their jeans were about 5 sizes too small! I don't know how they could put them on, let alone button them up. Their jeans barely went over their hipbones. Most also had on their little sister's top; it hardly covered their midsections. Oh, they were trying to hold their heads up with pride, but it was a sad sight to see these almost grown women wearing children's clothes.

However, it was their underwear that bothered me most. They, like the boys, because of the improper fitting of their clothes, had their underwear exposed. I never saw anything like it. It looked like their underwear was only held together by a single piece of string.

I know it saddens your heart to receive this report on condition of our
American teenagers. While I go to bed every night with a closet full of clothes nearby, there are millions of "mall girls" who barely have enough material to keep it together. I think their "poorness" is why these two groups gather at the mall, boys with their short daddies' ripped jeans, and girls wearing their younger sisters' clothes. The mall is one place where they can find acceptance.

So, next time you are at the mall, doing your shopping , and you pass by some of these poor teenagers, would you say a prayer for them? And one more thing ... Will you pray the guys' pants won't fall down, and girls' strings won't break?

Knowing my grandmother, she probaly think this was all real and not a joke.

[AgentOrange]

It's a neverending cyclus, and i'm wondering if it'll ever end.

Sorry, this was just too funny not to point out.

But on topic. It really is sad to see what some of these young girls are wearing nowadays. Girls that can't even be halfway through with middle school are wearing thongs and butt floss and shopping at 'Sluts R Us'. When I was in middle school the best look you got at a girl was in gym class. Not saying there weren't the slutty girls at school but not like today.

I started having sex at 14, so I can't say that's too young. But I had been properly educated on safely having sex and how not to get a girl pregnent, which it seems that these kids today don't understand.

[h2orowe]

Kudos to you h2orowe!

What I never got in high school was the whole saggy pants thing. Do guys really think that it looks attractive?
:D I wear baggy pants, but I have a belt. Pants my size are too short, so my knees are exposed, and I have hairy legs, like a mofo, so I just wear a belt.


I hate seeing other guys underwear >.<; but it's better than their asscrack.

[Azriel]

Butt cleavage! That's sick!

[Komidol]

Yes I am 16, Yes I have no experience in the topic but I'm going to say this anyway.

If I had a daughter, and I mean, like 20 years from now, who happened to be a teenager, and this teenager, or hell even younger, before the age of 16, wanted to dress in a thong...well.

FUCK NO

Yeah, I said it. She'd be grounded, forever. Trust me, with the way the internet is now, guys of my own age don't need to be staring at ass all day to get off. I mean, tight jeans (I don't know where you guys are getting this saggy pants thing from, I don't see it alot) are hot enough, and 90% of girls wear them, not even hanging off their ass low or anything, just tight jeans, and it's hot as hell. No one needs a thong or anything else.

Goddamn media. People are so damned stupid to be hypnotized by that or 'peer-pressure' though whole fscking system is overrated.

[Alphonse v.2]

I'm not exactly familiar with the term peer-pressure, is it like other people your age verbaly forcing you to do things?

[TygressVirgo]

Yeah, something like that.

Well over in the "great" fashion state of Cali, guys sagging their pants is all over the place, specially here in the southern regions. It's just not nice. And Yes, Asscrack is the worse!

[more cheerios]

The reason why children do this because they see everyone else around them doing this. Honestly, it's the way the media is. They are bloodthirsty monsters. They don't care who gets hurt, as long as they get a piece of the profit.

Kudos to you h2orowe!

What I never got in high school was the whole saggy pants thing. Do guys really think that it looks attractive?
Apparently so. It's just dying out now.

[Soli]

I mean, tight jeans (I don't know where you guys are getting this saggy pants thing from, I don't see it alot) are hot enough, and 90% of girls wear them, not even hanging off their ass low or anything, just tight jeans, and it's hot as hell. No one needs a thong or anything else.

Jeans arn't bad. Here's the most common description of the girls at my school:

-Tight jeans
-Tight, low cut t-shirt
-A school sweatshirt (if it's cold)
-Purse (speaking of purses, have any of you seen those large sequin bags around? They're really popular at my school.)
-Hair style: Long, straight, blonde or brown hair pulled into a ponytail.

[NekoChan]

alot of girls at my school dress badly. I mean its just school not a fashion show, people arnt impressed by your giant three pound bag O-o

Girls at my school(the ones who get dates and abortions that is):
Tight shirts- If they are stick thin they wear them, if they are larger they wear them doesnt matter the body the girl the time its a tight spandex style shirt

Short skirts-I live in michigan..its cold here now..they wear MINI SKIRTS not the nice sort of cutey kind you goto the beach in the ones where they sit down and its a peep show kind

Hair-IT seems each group of walking trailer trash has the same hair as the others in the group. There the brown hair group where they dont want to dye it ALL blodne so they put blonde highlights in it and look like tigers. The blonde group is eaither fake or real, the real ones always have brown highlights and again the tiger loook, fake blonde with black undertone...i have no idea what that is but it scares me too. there hair is ALL STRAIT or in a pony tail.

There, my school scares me. The guy's always have their pants half off their ass too, whats with the ass look?

[FullmetalAlchemistangel18]

I Need Help!

[Praetorian]

I'm nicer to girls that are less slutty, more cute and intelligent. Because I know the slutty girls dress to manipulate, and I hate people that get advantages because of looks having been fat myself once. Now I'm damn sexy, but I respect each and every person, especially those that don't want to manipulate people by looking good but get by the fair way.

This was in response to h2orowe saying he's naturally nicer to the good looking girls by the way.

[adamiscool]

What's even worse then the guys with baggy pants is the guys that where tight girl pants. They're cross dressing and thats somthing weirdos do.

[Shamu]

I don't know if they're doing this in any other schools across the country, but here in Dallas they've started to make uniforms manditory in the public schools. Not at the high school level yet, but I think they're going to get there too.
I'm not sure what the kids think of it though. Doesn't seem like a horrible idea to me.

[Jay]

Kids will always shun uniforms and wear what they want to. It happened in my old school and it'll happen everywhere.

[Soli]

There the brown hair group where they dont want to dye it ALL blodne so they put blonde highlights in it and look like tigers.

Brown hair with blonde highlights are really popular at my school. It seems they didn't blend the blonde and brown together well, so yeah it does look like tiger strips.

[Soli]

I don't know if they're doing this in any other schools across the country, but here in Dallas they've started to make uniforms manditory in the public schools. Not at the high school level yet, but I think they're going to get there too.
I'm not sure what the kids think of it though. Doesn't seem like a horrible idea to me.

I wouldn't mind uniforms, but it's never going to happen at my school.

[Balain]

In high school we didn't have a uniform. But we did have a dress code. The stuff I see kids wearing today we would have been sent home some damn fast if we had worn that stuff.

[PopCulturePooka]

Uniforms are common place amongst all but tertiary education in Australia.

[h2orowe]

I'm nicer to girls that are less slutty, more cute and intelligent. Because I know the slutty girls dress to manipulate, and I hate people that get advantages because of looks having been fat myself once. Now I'm damn sexy, but I respect each and every person, especially those that don't want to manipulate people by looking good but get by the fair way.

This was in response to h2orowe saying he's naturally nicer to the good looking girls by the way.
I find the less slutty girls more attractive too, but I'm nicer to the ones I find attractive, so it's still somewhere in between :\
I have weird tastes in girls. I prefer them without make-up though, cuz jesus, I don't wanna date a clown.

Ehh, jeez, today I found myself staring down shirts >.<; it wasn't even like I was looking, as much as JESUS CHRIST IM SPACING OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOBS POP UP! and than I look away with my head down in case they saw me, and space out again..... and wind up spacing out on an ass....
-.- T&A, what can I say?

[The Divine Comedy]

Ehh, jeez, today I found myself staring down shirts >.<; it wasn't even like I was looking, as much as JESUS CHRIST IM SPACING OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOBS POP UP! and than I look away with my head down in case they saw me, and space out again..... and wind up spacing out on an ass....
-.- T&A, what can I say?

Maybe it's magnetic attraction. :D

Anyway. I am in a high school. In Michigan. Where girls wear mini-skirts (as my fellow Michigan person mentioned :) ) and FLIP-FLOPS in the winter, spandex-tight shirts that hug every part that you don't want to see, and pants that practically guarantee a massive wedgie. Oh. And sometimes visible thongs. *shudder* Sometimes, I wonder exactly how some of these people avoid getting frostbite and having their asses blacken and fall off. :(

[delen]

I don't know if they're doing this in any other schools across the country, but here in Dallas they've started to make uniforms manditory in the public schools. Not at the high school level yet, but I think they're going to get there too.
I'm not sure what the kids think of it though. Doesn't seem like a horrible idea to me.

I would have hated that. Hell, I hate wearing anything I don't pick out because it's usually uncomfy. :(

[Citizen]

My high school didn't have uniforms. You could wear damn near anything you wanted. People got away with wearing stuff that had violence, sexual content, alcohol, smoking, drugs, and stuff that was too short, even though all of those things were against the rules.

Good for the school and good for me. Good for me because I wouldn't want to wear some bullshit uniform, and probably just plain wouldn't have. Good for the school because it meant they didn't have to put up with me and the several hundred other students I would have rallied to fight a uniform policy.

[Soli]

In high school we didn't have a uniform. But we did have a dress code. The stuff I see kids wearing today we would have been sent home some damn fast if we had worn that stuff.

We have a dress code too, but they barely enforce it. You see the girls walking down the hall, and it's obvious their skirts are too short. I have never seen a teacher even ask to check a girl's skirt, much less report it. Yet alot of the boys I know get busted for their shirts saying things like 'I'd beat you up'. I think alot of it has to do with gender and popularity status.

[Azriel]

My school is a professionally centered school.... I think. They say it'll "prepare us for the real-world job fair." I'm in the medical program in the school so I have to wear scrubs everyday. I don't mind it. We get to wear whatever we want under the scrubs. The crap thing is, everything's color coded. My scrubs are navy while seniors get teal.

[Kass]

I don't know if they're doing this in any other schools across the country, but here in Dallas they've started to make uniforms manditory in the public schools. Not at the high school level yet, but I think they're going to get there too.
I'm not sure what the kids think of it though. Doesn't seem like a horrible idea to me.

Uniforms probably won't work everywhere and it should be a choice from district to district, but uniforms are a Good Thing. It can be proven that disciplinary problems go down in schools with uniforms and that creativity and individuality are NOT stifled in anyway. A quick perusal of the artwork of children who wear school uniforms will show that.

As well, from a socio-economic point of view, uniforms are are excellent. for one, they cost less than the average school wardrobe. A LOT less. A pair of jeans for a 10-year-old: $20. Uniform pants for a 10-year-old: $10. Average cost of non-uniform shirts: $12-$15. Uniform polos and t-shirts: $5-$7. Even better for parents is it eliminates the whole "I don't know what to wear. I don't want to wear that" crap that goes on every morning.

Uniforms eliminate class distinctions based solely on appearances and you're kidding yourself if you think that even at a first or second grade level, they aren't there. They are also less of a distraction than the fashion craze du jour.

When you guys think of uniforms, you think of suits, ties, plaid jumpers and ugly skirts. The standard school uniform nowadays are pants (blue or khaki are the most common colors), polo shirts, school t-shirts, shorts. There are button down shirts and blouses and skirts for dressier occasions if need be, but they are hardly ever worn.

My daughter attended elementary schools with uniform policies and without and by far the best school was the one requiring uniforms. It had the fewest problems and the highest acheivement, even amongst traditionally low-performing groups like english as second language students. The demographics between the three elementary schools she attended were the same. Same socio-economic status and about the same minority mix.

Mind you, at the high school level, I think traditional uniforms wouldn't work well, but I think a rigid dress code would go a long way toward improving the atmosphere in schools.

This is all the same reasoning behind dress codes at work. There are reasons why business attire is expected at a government office or consultant firm or some other business. It creates a professional atmosphere that is more conducive to business. For all the casual dot coms that abounded, you still saw their marketing, consulting and executives in business dress when they leave or meet with clients. If you're an IT guru in the back office that no one sees, you can get away with looking less professional.

On the slightly related note of pre-teens and teens wearing thongs, it's only underwear. Jesus. Worry less about their underwear and worry more about the clothing they allegedly wear over their underwear. You'd think they were wearing "Fuck Me" signs on their foreheads the way some of you are going on.

I actually went looking for something thongish for my 12-year-old before she was in a wedding recently because the standard cotton underwear that you find for kids her age caused hideous lines and caused her dress (not at all tight) to hang badly because of the fabrics. It was really unattractive. We found some not thong, but close enough so that her dress looked nice. (I spent about 20 hours making it. I for damned sure wanted it to look good.)

The problem is the clothing that allows you to know the kid is wearing a thong.

[悲しいパンダ]

Yeah, something like that.

Well over in the "great" fashion state of Cali, guys sagging their pants is all over the place, specially here in the southern regions. It's just not nice. And Yes, Asscrack is the worse!

OMFG!! These people know nothing about sagging. I to live in Cali but more up north than you, I think. Anyways, I'm into the whole sagging pants craze but I wear a belt and I wear non-causal shorts over my boxers (asscrack? I don't see none) because the elastic band help keep my boxers from showing and looking clean (I lift my shirt up off my ass when I sit so my shirt won't get dirty).

Before I comment on slutty clothing and girls I would like to say that these are my views as a 16 yr old in highschool.

Hmm...young girls wearing slutty clothing...super sexy =D. Well in highschool that is. I have yet not seen any 12 yr old wearing prositude clothing but I also like to mention that I don't go out much. Its sorta hot in Cali but I don't see many girls wearing skirt or dress. Thats all I can think of right now. Strange though, I thought I would have more to say on this topic. =(

In some ways to can relate this to underage drinking and drug use.

The media sucks, 'nuff said. XD

[Kass]

Well, consider this.

While a woman is in no way responsible for the actions of a rapist, the majority of stranger rapists choose victims of opportunity and are more likely to choose a victim with less clothing on, i.e. short skirts, slutty tops, etc. If there are two choices, one a girl in slutty, skimpy clothing or one in more conservative, covering clothing, they'd pick the sluttier dressed girl. It is far from the only factor, but it is a very common victim characteristic, according to a probation officer who specializes in handling sex offenders.

Do you really want that one more factor as a strike against your daughter or sister?

[TygressVirgo]

Yeah, you farther up there in cali than me. My little rant concerned those who did not know how to "properly" sag, so there were many unpleasent scenes.

Kass, that is a scary factor that is hard to disagree with. Don't predators generally go for what they consider an easy target.

[Kass]

Absolutely. The easier the better. Mind you, there is a distinction between a date rapist (which is VASTLY underreported), an "typical" rapist and a predator, though the distinction between the last two is rather fine. "Predator" is normally used to describe a rapist who chooses a type of victim (brown hair and green eyes, blonde and blue eyed, the girl next dooor, looks like mom, etc.), stalks them, then attacks them. The typical rapist picks a victim of opportunity. He's out, he's pissed, he sees a suitable victim and place and goes for it. "Typical" is in no way used to mitigate or diminish the horror of what a rapist does. It is used to indicate the common type of stranger rapist.

Date rape is likely the most common rape, but there is no way to verify that because estimates indicate that only a very small percentage of them are reported. Of course, those are estimates based on largely unscientific studies, but enough indicate underreporting to some degree to be able to make the statement. What can't be determined is exactly how many date rapes go unreported.

Here's some information, but keep in mind, these are general statements and not all apply to all rapists or all victims, save the advice to make noise, run or fight. Some of these are gleaned form conversations with the aforementioned PO, some from reading I've done on this stuff and some is common sense from police officers I've known.

1. Rapists are pissed off people. They rape out of anger and the desire for control. Rape is about rage and power, not getting their rocks off. No matter who you are, how you dress, how long your hair, cute, ugly, etc., if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, you are their type.

2. Across the board, the most common characteristic is vulnerability, esp. targetting petite women or vulnerable in some other method (i.e. a friend, a elderly person, alone). This does not mean if you are a tall woman, you won't get raped, but if you are petite, you are more vulnerable and thus a more attractive target.

3. How a woman dresses does get a rapist's attention (though in NO WAY is a woman's dress jusification for rape). The less clothing, the more attention.

4. Rapists look for women who are in isolated areas (empty parking garages, empty public restrooms, apartment laundry rooms, grocery store parking lots, etc.) or are trusting. They'd rather not transport/drag a victim anywhere. It isn't as easy to drag a screaming woman around or drive her somewhere as the entertainment industry makes it out to be. If you're working late or going home late, get someone to walk you out.

6. The use of brute force is most common, but weapons, esp. knives, are often used. So are threats against infants and children. It is by far the easiest way to get a mother to cooperate.

7. If a rapist has hold of you, ALWAYS put up a fight. Always make a LOT of noise. Scream whatever it takes to draw attention. Go for the groin and the eyes. Don't worry about anything else. BUT be prepared to get beaten up because you will make them angrier before they flee. (This is also what you should tell all children if a stranger approaches them and tries to grab them.)

8. If a rapist does not have hold of you, RUN and make a LOT of noise. Don't stick around and fight. Don't try to play the hero. Odds are he picked you because he is bigger than you and stronger than you. Get the hell out. (Again, tell kids this too.)

9. Nothing you can carry is a deterrent to a rapist except a gun. The best thing is to always travel in groups though. Other people around is a very good deterrent. Again, if at all possible, get an escort to your car, home, etc. if you'll be out late. Don't be a stubborn "I am woman hear me roar" idiot. You are safer with company than alone. Period. Everyone knows you can work and have kids or whatever. You don't need to prove it by putting yourself at greater risk.

[dama rei]

i think you're trying to look mature to impress some people that don't care about you as much as you think they do and missing the point of high school

go get some ass, my friend

Ahem, it's not only the media who cause it.


It is weakling imbeciles such as our friend whom I have so kindly quoted.

They don't have the spine to go against what their wang tells them to do, so the sluts have the advantage. Slaves to their lust, they are.

[EmilyElle]

Ooooh, sorry to randomly jump in on the conversation without totally reading all the follow-up, but, I hate, hate, hate, HATE prostitots, with a seething, loathing, passion.

Now, okay, I'm 15 too, and I'm not exactly reserved... I wouldn't say I've "been around", but I've been with a few people... but being with a few people... people close to me see that as being slutty, I guess it's because they're all, pretty much, virgins... most of them don't really understand, I guess. But it pisses me right off, how everyone sees me that way, just because I lack a hymen.

But I'm getting off topic... there's no real age that I'd say is "too young", because it totally depends on the person. Whenever you're ready, that's when you're not too oung anymore.

[moo]

I am very disgusted by what goes on in schools. I heard from someone that in 8th grade girls are grinding, people are biting each others asses, and in some schools you could see girls wacking off their boyfriends. It really does make me sick that this happens with people today. On top of the fact that some girls have to drop out of school because they have a baby, this is just so wrong.

Also there is a limit to how a girl should dress. There are just some things that I was never supposed to see. Ie. A girl whose ass can barely fit in her pants... even at the big size it was, with a thong sticking out, and wearing a shirt that I couldn't fit into, with her stomache sticking out as well. *shudders*

[Life25Karma]

i think you're trying to look mature to impress some people that don't care about you as much as you think they do and missing the point of high school

go get some ass, my friend

That was wrong :rolleyes:

[Nessa]

Ooooh, sorry to randomly jump in on the conversation without totally reading all the follow-up, but, I hate, hate, hate, HATE prostitots, with a seething, loathing, passion.

Now, okay, I'm 15 too, and I'm not exactly reserved... I wouldn't say I've "been around", but I've been with a few people... but being with a few people... people close to me see that as being slutty, I guess it's because they're all, pretty much, virgins... most of them don't really understand, I guess. But it pisses me right off, how everyone sees me that way, just because I lack a hymen.

But I'm getting off topic... there's no real age that I'd say is "too young", because it totally depends on the person. Whenever you're ready, that's when you're not too oung anymore.

If you're been with more than 2 people by the age of 15, than you have indeed "been around."

I personally think anything under 16 is too young. I've also seen far too many 12 year olds dressing slutty and wearing those shirts that say "Home made cherry tarts. Always hot. Always fresh. Come and get 'em!" on the chest.

[Kass]

Okay, here's the deal. Everytime you have sex, you can get pregnant or get someone pregnant. The only 100% effective birth control is abstinence. Even 99% means 1 out of every 100 gets pregnant. I have a kid to prove it.

If you, because of your age cannot do the following, you are too young:


graduate high school;
get a job that pays better than minimum wage;
support another person; and
live on your own.


If you are unprepared to handle the consequences of your actions, you've no business taking the risk.

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Okay, here's the deal. Everytime you have sex, you can get pregnant or get someone pregnant. The only 100% effective birth control is abstinence. Even 99% means 1 out of every 100 gets pregnant. I have a kid to prove it.

If you, because of your age cannot do the following, you are too young:


graduate high school;
get a job that pays better than minimum wage;
support another person; and
live on your own.


If you are unprepared to handle the consequences of your actions, you've no business taking the risk.
Kass....you are my hero!!! It only takes 1 time to get a girl pregnate (i know from experiance). And if either of you are unable or unwilling to to care for a child then you should not be having sex. Luckily in my case our wedding was just a couple months away.

[EmilyElle]

If you're been with more than 2 people by the age of 15, than you have indeed "been around."

I personally think anything under 16 is too young. I've also seen far too many 12 year olds dressing slutty and wearing those shirts that say "Home made cherry tarts. Always hot. Always fresh. Come and get 'em!" on the chest.

Okay, I suppose that's justified, yeah, I guess I have, but what I'm saying is, just because I've been with those people, that doesn't make me a slut- I wouldn't sleep with just anyone, of course... I'd only ever have sex (whatever type) with someone I actually loved, and I only ever have.

When you stop asking yourself if you're ready... that's when I think you're ready, really.

Yeah, and I hate those shirts. I hate the one with the coconuts on it... I forget what it says, but there are two half nuts on the sides and then an oblong one in the centre... it's disgusting.

[Shamu]

Okay, here's the deal. Everytime you have sex, you can get pregnant or get someone pregnant. The only 100% effective birth control is abstinence. Even 99% means 1 out of every 100 gets pregnant. I have a kid to prove it.

If you, because of your age cannot do the following, you are too young:


graduate high school;
get a job that pays better than minimum wage;
support another person; and
live on your own.


If you are unprepared to handle the consequences of your actions, you've no business taking the risk.
Kass, I agree with you 100% here! I was married, but was using the pill, and I still got pregnant (it turned out to be a good thing, because we decided to have a baby then), but if you can't handle the consequences (any of them), you probably shouldn't be having sex. Remember too, that you don't necessarily have to have sex to get pregnant.
Also, I just want to say, as a single mother and a petite woman (who is often by herself or with her young child), that that rape information is really freakin' scarey! I honestly don't know what I'd do if someone threatened me or my child with that. It also scares me that all these young girls I see walking around at night by themselves or even just dressed "slutty" during the day, don't really seem to understand what that can do. I agree that no matter how you dress (or the lack of clothes on a person in general) noone has the right to touch you in any way with out your permission, but why make yourself more of a target?


As for you EmilyElle, I wouldn't really say that you are a "slut". But if you want a reason not to have sex, come babysit my daughter for the weekend ;). I also have yet to see one of those t-shirts, but it sounds really wrong.

[Stormhammer]

If the kids in question are mine, they can be a sexy beast at 10 if they want.





























............If they've moved out and have their own house by then. Otherwise, my house, my rules.

-Stormhammer-

[BluZytrix]

It's quite interesting to here people say that around the age of 16 is good to start having sex. I would like to clear one thing up right now. When we say 'sex', do we mean intercourse(vaginal penitration) or the slew of other fun things you can do with a partner? For example, people who are 14-16 may get into some heavy petting and perhaps mutual masterbation but intercourse is still too much in my opinion. I'm a damn proud 21 year old virgin that feels even now that I don't have the resources nor ability to take care of a child. Yes, I have heard the methods that 'prevent you from having a kid' but it's perhaps all the people around me during high school and even recently in college that have to take a hard hit on their own lives because of sex. If I did have a child right now, I would have the skills to take care of them, but those have just recently been aquired and there is still an issue about money. Besides the those things, there are still so many other things in life, dreams, hopes and wishes that I want to fulfill that it seems crazy to play around with them.

I do have a sister that is at that age where she wants to wear clothing that isn't school appropriate. Even as her older brother, I would love to yell at my mother for letting her where that kind of stuff to school if it would actully do anything. It has been interesting coming to Japan and seeing all of the kids dressing in their uniforms. Even thought girls adhere to wearing them, the second they leave the house they hike up their skirts to the mid-thigh region. I now have a more intersting insight as to why there is that perverted part of Japanese culture. Try sitting across from 5 school girls on the train, all of which you could see up their skirts just by looking forward. It quite sickening. The biggest factor that a few people have mentioned is the parents. I really believe that society is too easy on the parents of these kids.

[Nessa]

Yeah, and I hate those shirts. I hate the one with the coconuts on it... I forget what it says, but there are two half nuts on the sides and then an oblong one in the centre... it's disgusting.

I haven't seen that shirt in particular, but it sounds pretty sick. Things like that are just asking for sexual predators. They're just like giant "Grab my BOOBS!" signs.

[yao_yao]

i shudder everytime i see the way the kids in my middle school dress (i go to a private school, and it has k-12, and i see the other kids on my way to the buses)

these kids are the vision of tomorrow?! damn we're screwed.

i dont even like it when the freshmen do it, but for them i feel like it's "you dont hav anything to flaunt, and dressing that way is just saying hey look i'm flat chested/fat/stick legs"

[Encryp]

No problem with dress at my school, school uniform is enforced. Used to be just the shirt was needed and you could wear whatever you liked (within reason) on the other half of the body. But knew principal is pushing to get evryone wearing black on the bottem half now.

As for the sex thing, i think a lot of its just show with no real sex. I remember reading somewhere that 50% of 18 year olds are virgins.

[KarmaGhost]

It's funny, 'cuz I'm preparing a presentation for my speech class about adult-child molesters, and I stumbled upon this thread during my break.

I don't think it would be right for me to post any specific links, but if you're curious about how horrible people advocating the "positive" side of child sexuality can be, you should do a Google or AskJeeves search for a man by he name of Dr. Alfred Kinsey. While you're at it, you can look into an organization called NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association).

Personally, I believe that if you're not old enough to drive, work, drink, or vote, then you're not old enough to partake of the "serious stuff". And, even then, there are people my age (21) who're STILL clueless about sex and really, really, REALLY shouldn't be doing it.

[that guy]

Woot!! Miami is my hometown. Yeah, I hate it too.

Sorry for the interruption. *Leaves*

[Yoonafkenenen]

Hrmm, this is a difficult topic to touch (HAHAHAHAHA) on. I think sex should be held off until you are mature enough to handle it. If you can't fart in front of your partner, you shouldn't be having sex with them. I know it just sounds like I contradicated myself, but think about it. If you can't look past a natural bodily function, how can you expect to engage in one of the most natural functions of all?

Here's the other thing, people are remarkably insecure. Girls who sexualize themselves should expect little more than to be hit on and not taken seriously. Unfortunately, the way most guys work; they'll put women into either the 'respectable' or 'non-respectable' category. If we don't respect you, we'll look no further than your bosoms (or in my case, being black and all, your ass.) Now obviously this is not to say that we view all women this way. This is also not to say that we can't respect a woman and be sexually attracted to them at the same time, hell, that's how relationships start. I'm just saying, if you wear those stupid sweats with 'Juicy' emblazoned across the ass; we're going to want to hump you, but we don't care about ANYTHING other than that. For some people, that's enough. Some people are insecure enough to think that because a guy wants to hump them, it actually means anything relevant. Let me be the first to say, it does not.

NOW, some would say that it's guys' fault for pigeonholing women this way. It's our fault if we sexualize a woman because of her appearance and refuse to engage them on any other terms but the terms of BANGING. I'm afraid it goes both ways ("Like a bisexual!" "Yes Ted, that was the joke.") Not only should we, as males, make efforts to overlook our basic instincts; girls need to understand that 'look at my boobies!' outfits are not going to attract the right guys. I'm much more attracted to a girl who dresses normally (or like a videogame character, but that's a personal preference...*cough*) than I am to a girl that wears some sort of low-cut thingamajig. That sends me the message that you are really proud of your bosoms and you want to share them with the world. Sorry sister, but when it comes down to it, your lovely lady lumps are just as good as the next girl; and showing them off isn't going to get you any points with me.

[Mr.Babalo]

i think you're trying to look mature to impress some people that don't care about you as much as you think they do and missing the point of high school

go get some ass, my friend


LOL

I'm not gonna hide it: that made me laugh.





Anyways, it's true that the newer generation of youth become more and more slutty-looking with time. Unfortunately, that's not the only thing that changing with time: people are forgeting their faith in God, their values and morals. Hey, regardless if one believes in God or not, on average an individual who has faith is less likely to commit unethical acts than the individual without faith. Belief in a higher being keeps the mind straight and chaos at bay.


"Ah, ya dam kids and your music"--Peter Griffen

[Nessa]

I don't think it would be right for me to post any specific links, but if you're curious about how horrible people advocating the "positive" side of child sexuality can be, you should do a Google or AskJeeves search for a man by he name of Dr. Alfred Kinsey.

Or just watch the movie "Kinsey.";)

He nearly wiped out the entire population of gull wasps!

[TygressVirgo]

Lord,

Those thoughts about rape are just scary. I've been wondering for a long time, what would be the best self-defense course for a Woman, but that is a topic for another thread. Maybe I should make one.