Justification for murder....

[h2orowe]

Is murder ever justified?
Can humanity ever benefit for the death of one of it's creations?
Have you ever thought about murdering someone?



I don't really think murder is justified (I'll contradict myself again, in a few), there are so many more effective ways of recycling a human being.

If a human being has committed a crime, they should get put in prison for a long enough time that they learn what they did is wrong; they should have constant counselling, and help. If the prison system can turn counter productivity, into productivity, the world will defiinently benefit. If it was an extreme case, I think the offender should have to serve life in prison, under harse conditions, and when I mean harsh, I mean HARSH, as in cruel, and unforgiving.
If someone rapes/molests a kid, they should be forced to barely live on, and if they refused to eat/drink their food/drink... they should have it forced into them; they should get treated like beasts, and harrassed to the point upon which they understand what they did was wrong. If they do... and they undergo tests, than they should be let out, and at first forced to help out with the community, but eventually lead a normal life once they prove themself human again.

I don't think humanity can benefit with the death of a person, if we could learn to rehabilitate our criminals into helpful members of the community, we will reach a new safer life....


Have I ever thought of murdering someone? Yes. I've thought of murdering my mom's boyfriend so many times, in so many ways. I don't even think of him as a human being, from the actions he's done... and from the things he's said. "Mexican girls are only hot until they're 12, than they get fat and ugly." That alone deserves a beating. I've daydreamed many times, of running upstairs into his room, while he was passed out drunk, with a big butcher knife, and repeatedly stabbing him, than once he is dead, I continue to stab, until the bed he was laying in was covered in blood, drenching the sheets. I've thought of having him tied up, and me just kicking his head til he dies, than crushing it with my foot.
Have you ever seen American History X? Where Edward Norton makes the guy eat curb? I've thought of doing that to him.....
I'd never act on it... but I've thought of it....

Anyway, state your oppinions....

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Well most indiviuals that go to jail, are repeat offenders...the rehabilitation system has a horrible success rate. And treating them as animals likely won't work any better. However, I do believe that we should have harsher punishments for crimes. I'm mean people should be downright afraid to break the law. How many of us would have shoplifted a candy bar when we were kids if we would have gotten our hand chopped off?

And the whole staue of limitations...did you know that (in NY at least) the statue of limitations for raping a child is 3 years? That means that every child rapist from 2002 and beyond that haven't been caught yet, get off completely free. They could walk up to the police station and tell them every single detail, and there is nothing they could do about it.

How about that insanity defence? To me there be two types of insanity. There is the he talks to himself and rolls his turds into little balls crazy guy, and then there is the he when on a killing spree crazy guy. If the killing spree crazy guy tryied that defence on me, i'd tell him he should have talked to himself and rolled his turd into little balls instead. Seriously, assuming he does have a mental defect that actually causes him to kill people, I personally don't want him around.

Ok maybe not every crime should be dealt with so harshly, but i'm sure we could all agree that certain major crimes deserve the harshest possible punnishment.

Unfortunately, i don't have alot of faith in our conviction system. It's supposed to be proven guilty without a reasonible doubt, when in reality its proven guilty within reason. The reason is people WANT to see someone punnished for a crime, esspesially major ones. So if you can prove that this person is reasonibly guilty they are likely to get convicted so they can get this "horrible" person off the street, so we can all feel safe again. You hear about people that have been convicted being released on new evedaince due to new technology far too often for comfort...

[Kaji]

I'm guessing somebody doesn't believe in upholding the part of the Constitution that states that citizens will be protected from cruel and unusual punishments...

[Jai]

To hell with rehabilitation. To hell with the crooks. Injection, chair, firing squad, whatever the flavour of the region is, its all good.

[yogi]

To hell with the death penalty the (in)justice system is sooo inconsistent anyway.. just put them in jail for 15 to 20 years (im pretty sure thats 'life' here) and then let em out.

I think criminal records really fuck up rehab, cause they make it so hard to find work.

And to the title Question.. anything's justifyable anything.. But to seem justifyable to a group of people requires brainwashing, or obvious common sense.

[stillbornsinger]

Unquestionably yes for all three...

What is even the point of torturing someone for the rest of their life? Why not just end it, does it serve any purpose?

Does society gain anything from spending the time, effort, and money to fuck with some guy for 60 years?

[Invictus]

As stillbornsinger said, except that I haven't thought about killing anybody...

[Myrsilus]

Yes to all three. I'd rather kill a guy that is trying to kill me than try to reason with him while he stabs at me with a bowie knife. Also, if one death can benefit the entire world, then it may be best. Of course everything is dependent upon the circumstances, which may not call for death.

And to the last one... sure I've thought about it. I've been ready to defend many people to the point of killing many times. It really doesn't bother me too much. I train in an art consisting of many lethal techniques that, while I hope I never have to use, I would be ready to employ them at the right moment.

And yeah h2, tortue or forcing people to live under unbearable conditions is a violation of the Constitution. Just try and reform it. =\

[Stephy]

Have I ever thought of murdering someone? Yes. I've thought of murdering my mom's boyfriend so many times, in so many ways.

Anyway, state your oppinions....

Please don't think that way, H2orowe. Those are very scary thoughts.

I'm not sure what opinions I should have on this matter. I believe prison is rehabilitation for criminals... though its not exactly a very good rehabilitative center for the men and women who commit horrible crimes.

I'm not sure if you are trying to refer to Capital punishment or not.

[hahaman]

actually we can benifite from death sentences. :D
your helping the world get rid of over population. :D
see thats why i bet China loves the their firing squads :D

[akitaka]

I don't like violence used for the sake of violent intent (which is why I'm cool with things such as the K-1). With this, killing on my part would probably make me feel very bitter about myself. I'd go for breaking limbs and giving concussions, but that's as far as I'd go.

The one thing that yanks my chain about this is that often times the legal system makes dealing with murder even tougher, as the numerous defences make the process of conviction painfully long. Since we live in such a giant society, it seems that we've become dependant on the system, lest a whole bunch of dirtypool cases crop up. The killers turn out to be innocent, and vice-versa. Don't even get me started on "criminal intent".

I think it's made us weak in the sense that most of us have no clue of how to defend ourselves, or deal with the personal problems of others without conflict. There are too many stupid cases that go to court, and from stupid cases come stupid defences that merge with serious one.
If Joe Somebody stabs you in the leg with a screw as you walk around a corner, he could easily incite that it was just an accident, and claim little responsibility. In other words, even if no one's at fault, little to no responsibility is claimed. If he killed you, now what? There's really no telling of whether it was an accident or not, if evidence points that you and him were unrelated. It's almost a pot-shot from there.

Personally I think both victims and offenders have to face some sort of responsibility, depending on the situation. If you attack a creature from the wild, weaker or not, they WILL try to kick your ass if they feel threatened.
Humans have lost this intent so much that they dip into their victimisation without even trying to defend themselves with rightful killer intent. Take polygamist wives who feel victimised; they outnumber their husbands. Don't bitch about being legally pressed, and kick the abuser's ass. As vigilante as it seems, by the laws of physics and nature, it's perfectly ok. The only thing that gets in the way of this "no-nonesense" judgement is the law itself; it's an abusable, editable system that's either very good, or otherwise. This is what I believe to be the main reason of why the death penalty is so controversial; it's a heavy-handed punishment for an ambiguous system. It doesn't really work sensibly.

If I were to be a top-official I would not feel much remorse for a molester/murderer/white-collar criminal getting their dues from a person effected by their actions. As stated, but nature, they had it coming.

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[h2orowe]

I honestly think, if cruel and unusual punishment, fit the crime, feel free and piss in the mouth of the person who fucked your little cousin and left her dead at the side of the road, ending her short life of only 3 years.
If someone has such a malicious intent to cut someones life short, shouldn't their miserable life be extended? To show them, if there is no hell, what hell is like? I mean, if someone rapes anyone, they should be beaten to a bloody pulp, if it's a child, they should do anything they can to inflict pain onto the offender...
I have no sympathy for rapists/abusers/or any sort of child sex offender.... if it's Child porn... he should get the fuck beaten out of him.....

Hell, I'd even go for the good old Eye for an eye justice system... did you fuck a toddler? You should get the sickest, most twisted treatment ever.


Why not kill them to end their life? That'd be showing mercy, that'd be showing that the crime has no real punishment, besides the release of death. If someone didn't feel like living anymore, and wanted to end their life... they could easily just take out a whole room of people, molest children, do anything they wanted, and all they'd have to do is get a lethal injection? Fuck that, that is such bull, that if someone does that, all they get is either time in prison, or death sentence.....

[Arkan]

To tell you the truth everything happens for a reason, at first yes i'd want revenge for any murder in my family, but really I know that they'd want me to have a happy full life. So I'll try my best to respect their wishes.


If they get away scot free then i'd have to do some spawn shit.

[Jynx_lucky_j]

Take polygamist wives who feel victimised; they outnumber their husbands. Don't bitch about being legally pressed, and kick the abuser's ass. As vigilante as it seems, by the laws of physics and nature, it's perfectly ok. The only thing that gets in the way of this "no-nonesense" judgement is the law itself; it's an abusable, editable system that's either very good, or otherwise.

First of all just general spousal abuse would have been a better example as that example makes it seem as if all polygamous are abusive. And Sterotypes are bad mmkay :) Also Domestic Violance in general is a bad example because (in america at least) anytime the police are called in on a domestic dispute case they are legally obligated to take the alleged offender to jail for the night at least. Bonus points if they resist arrest :D I learn this when one of my crazier aunt was mad at my also crazy uncle and decided that she'd teach him a leason by calling the cops on him. However, before the cops arrived they reconsiled their differances. Despite their potests that nothing was wrong, the cops still were obligated to take my uncle away. You see the reason is that in many domestic disturbance cases tend to esculate shortly after to cops leave. Anyways to finnish the story my uncle thinks this is complete bull, and he's not going anywhere. Hell he's bigger that both the cops combined, and lets just say it NOT because hes fat >.> They try to cuff him and he shakes them right off swearing up a storm. So one of the cops mace him right in the face and he drops to the ground and they drag hin to their car and have to mace him two more times on the way to keep the fight out of him. I told you they were crazy.

Now vigilantyism isn't the way to go either. I mean if the "professionals" screw up occationally, what kind of odds do you think a random person has? After all everyone is always complaining about how stupid people are. Do you have database with the fingerprints of of every known criminal in the country? Do you have a lab where you can test DNA? does the average person have the equipment and the knowlege to process all the availible evadeince? Have you ever been accused of something you didn't do? Ask a black person from Mississipi if they would want the people around them the be able to go all vigilanty there. Sorry if anyone here is from mississipi, but before i went there i thought racism had practically dissapeared and all the black people in washington just weeren't able to let go of the past. The worst thing i ever heard was when i was waiting at the bus stop and a girl walked by on the otherside of the street with three black guys. And some random guy next to me points at them and says to me (of all people i don't know why he picked me :mad: ) and says "Those n*****s are going to rape that girl." And me having never heard anything like that in my life, i think there is now way i heard that right, so i say "I'm sorry, what was that?" And some lady on my other side said "All here baby's will be born n*****s now. I could not belive what i was hearing, I just stood up and said "Oh my god, screw this shit Im walking." And i heard other stuff while i was there but that was by far the worst of all. I really don't want these people taking the law into their own hands, do you? "Oh my god! That n***** just jaywalked! There is only one apropiate punnishment...torturous death!" yeah...no thanks =/

[DarkFire168]

I think all crimes should be punishable by a long, slow, torturous death. If the slow, publicly televised torturing to death of a rapist is enough to scare the shit out of any potential rapists and make them behave, the death is worth it. Unfortunately our current system of international policy doesn't allow this.

[Jynx_lucky_j]

I think all crimes should be punishable by a long, slow, torturous death. All crimes? How about jaywalking? Forgeting to use you turn signal? Downloading a song off the internet? wow that one scary world.

For the particularly horrible crimes would agree, murder, rape, ect. i may agree with you if the conviction system wasn't so spotty. Although less severe crimes should resive a less severe form of punishment. but i am all for harsher punnishment (down with prisons that are nicer than my house! :mad: ) but even i have my limits.

[Idlethought]

murder rape child molestation and treason i feel should be punishable by long slow torture and then death. long and slow meaning constant increasing torture for years.

[TygressVirgo]

Here is something my teacher said would fix four problems at once: crime rate, a cure for aids, testing on innocent animals, and over crowding in prisons.

Begin doing testing on criminals for products and give criminals the aids virus to fina cure. This will make the crime rate go down and sovle the issue of overcrowding.

:) I can't but help to somewhat think this could be a solution!

[Idlethought]

Then theres the whole...MORALITY of that of intentionally diseasing human beings who, despite being criminals, still maintain their humanity

[ChronoSphere]

Murder is an act of illegal homicide. If it is allowable by law, its not murder.

I do believe there is such a thing. In some curcumstances, the use of deadly force to defend yourself or a loved one is the only alternative. And then there are people out there who are beyond rehabilitation and just plain need killing.