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PopCulturePooka
10-06-2005, 11:23 PM
People who say 'Could care less'.
Idiots. Seriously.
Its 'Couldn't care less'.
As in theres no chance at all that I could give any less of a damn about you, your opinions, the world or what have you than I currently do.
My care = 0%. I can't possibly care less.
Idiots that say 'I Could care less' are syaing they care about what you are saying. They care. Theres a chance they could care less. So their care levels are say 20-25%. They could go go lower, they could care less.
Fucking IDIOTS.
misterb
10-06-2005, 11:26 PM
And what if the person saying "Could care less" is fully aware of the meaning behind it and means to say it? Are they still idiots?
PopCulturePooka
10-06-2005, 11:31 PM
And what if the person saying "Could care less" is fully aware of the meaning behind it and means to say it? Are they still idiots?
Why the devil would you say that?
And I've never heard people use it in that supposed context.
They always say 'Could care less' in a context where its obvious they are meaning to 'Couldn't care less'.
Jon885
10-06-2005, 11:34 PM
I always get the two confused. I'm guilty of saying could care less instead of couldn't a few times. From now on I will remember it's couldn't care less though.
What about ironically? i.e. "I could care less... but it would be pretty damn fucking hard you no account sack of shit loser"? :p
CNagy
10-06-2005, 11:46 PM
Welcome to the club, here is your card. *Hands Pooka a club membership card*
Seriously, people need to take a moment to think before they carelessly spout off an incorrect idiom. You undermine your own stance with "I could care less."
co_delphi
10-06-2005, 11:48 PM
If you really want to get into it, could you please explain the meaning behind "F**K You"? Typically speaking one looks forward to F**king. How it ever went from something most of the populace looks forward to to the mother of all insults is beyond me.
Monkey
10-06-2005, 11:53 PM
If you said "Like I could care less" then it would make sense, so it's not always wrong.
CNagy
10-06-2005, 11:54 PM
If you really want to get into it, could you please explain the meaning behind "F**K You"? Typically speaking one looks forward to F**king. How it ever went from something most of the populace looks forward to to the mother of all insults is beyond me.
The word fuck has its roots in the word fuch (pronounced "fook") and meant "to stab or impale." It is easy to see how this word later became associated with sex, and most of our slang for sex does have some violent original meaning; screw, hit, bang.
The Oxford English dictionary has about two pages on the history of the word "fuck," and I'm sure it explains the point at which fuck was first confirmed as an insult in addition to its myriad other meanings.
CNagy
10-06-2005, 11:56 PM
If you said "Like I could care less" then it would make sense, so it's not always wrong.
"Like I could care less" is not the colloquial phrase. The phrase in circulation is "I could care less" which is wrong. Adding like to it is the same as adding the not contraction, it changes the phrase to make it correct (though using like in that instance would be informal.)
Arvynia
10-07-2005, 01:53 AM
I could care less = I don't give a flying shit.
Not only do you care 0%, but you care -(some number here).
For the most part - I could care less since I'm smart enough to know what they mean.
Shamu
10-07-2005, 02:07 AM
Um...my sig explains it all with me. And I could care less :p.
Nekesu
10-07-2005, 02:20 AM
"im learnding. Hey Daddy, hey Super Nintendo Charlmers." -Ralph
Anyways I have also said I could care less.
For example: "You know I could care less about you, but I just love you too much." =P
h2orowe
10-07-2005, 02:34 AM
It doesn't bother me much if it's in speech, but Jesus Christ, if you're doing an English essay, and we have peer reviews, and I hand you a sheet that's two or three pages that you only make at the most 4 marks on, and I hand you back a sheet dripping with red ink, I will fucking tear you apart.
Arkan
10-07-2005, 02:43 AM
Could care less
pva_glue
10-07-2005, 02:50 AM
What about people saying...
I CAN NOT BE BOTHERED!
:mad: :mad: :eek:
that really make me bad!!! absolutely no motivation...
WEAK!! ppl
Arvynia
10-07-2005, 05:42 AM
What about people saying...
I CAN NOT BE BOTHERED!
:mad: :mad: :eek:
that really make me bad!!! absolutely no motivation...
WEAK!! ppl
... what? How does that make you mad and has no motivation.
Pierrot le Fou
10-07-2005, 05:51 AM
I will literally crap a golden egg if I see literally everyone literally using the word 'literally' literally.
Daeus
10-07-2005, 07:20 AM
That phrase is not necessarily wrong.
"I could care less" means that you do care somewhat, so there is a chance that you could care less. However, it is somewhat implied that you already care very little, so caring less would be very difficult to manage.
If you did not really care at all, I doubt you would saying anything at all.
pva_glue
10-07-2005, 10:21 AM
... what? How does that make you mad and has no motivation.
sorry maybe I didnt explained quite well enough.
I have a friend we used to go out together (as main man and wing man) but I think he got bit lazy one year and got FAT!, now he is very self contiouse (spell) about his looks. and dont want to go out, quite frankly I think he is scare of talking and meeting new people.
eveytime I call him, hey fitzy lets do somehing this weekends party!!!
he say 'man I cant be bothered to do anything...'
and that really piss me off.
every time I suggest him to do things then he says I cant be farked to do it. :(
once I ask him join up Gym ( I would not call myself Gym nut but I can take care of myself in the dark alley) and he responed "I cant be botherd!!!
arrg@#$@#$ 23$@#$@#$ - said me.
as friend I sometime, I feel that I could't care less about him:(
that's not normal.
my 2cents.
Chinpokomon
10-07-2005, 10:32 AM
How about the phrase "same difference"
WTF is that supposed to mean?
If you're trying to imply that A and B are the same, why don't you say "same thing"
CNagy
10-07-2005, 10:35 AM
That phrase is not necessarily wrong.
"I could care less" means that you do care somewhat, so there is a chance that you could care less. However, it is somewhat implied that you already care very little, so caring less would be very difficult to manage.
If you did not really care at all, I doubt you would saying anything at all.
No, the phrase is wrong. People use "I could care less" to mean that they don't care. That is how it is being used, that is how it has been used. It is incorrect, because instead of saying they don't care, they are admitting that they do care, that their amount of caring is a quanitifiable thing that is in fact greater than some else's, someone who "could not care less."
Ichisan
10-07-2005, 11:00 AM
I will literally crap a golden egg if I see literally everyone literally using the word 'literally' literally.
Especially when they use 'literally' to literally mean the opposite, talking about something which can't be taken literally but only metaphorically.
As you literally already did (to make a point, I know).
Oh so maybe my post is pointless, sorry.
Praetorian
10-07-2005, 11:49 AM
There are more. For example, when people call you a chauvinist.
Seriously people, 'chauvinist' characterizes people who wildly overestimate the excellence and importance of their own countries while denigrating others. Chauvinist does NOT mean "male sexist".
Also, “Over-exaggerated” is a redundancy. If something is exaggerated, it’s already overstressed.
Also, the I in 'Internet' needs to be capitalised at ALL TIMES. Just like the 'w' in World Wide Web.
Scott
10-07-2005, 12:44 PM
I hate people who say 'irregardless'.
more cheerios
10-07-2005, 01:04 PM
Actually, "I could care less" is a form of sarcasm. It's not grammatically incorrect or incorrect in its meaning.
... Irregardless? I've never heard that used. o_o
Praetorian: I'm pretty sure that's the pun behind it. "Chauvinistic" males "wildly overestimate" the size of their penises (which also pertains to their ego). It's a phallic symbol. One word does not nessecarely mean one thing, but has many other meanings that apply to the same word. Welcome to the English language, folks!
chau·vin·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shv-nzm)
n.
Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.
Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind: “the chauvinism... of making extraterrestrial life in our own image” (Henry S.F. Cooper, Jr.).
Praetorian
10-07-2005, 01:09 PM
Praetorian: I'm pretty sure that's the pun behind it. "Chauvinistic" males "wildly overestimate" the size of their penises (which also pertains to their ego). It's a phallic symbol. One word does not nessecarely mean one thing, but has many other meanings that apply to the same word. Welcome to the English language, folks!
Which is supposed to be 'male chauvinism' as first wave feminists used it. People left out the 'male' part and started using it as 'chauvinism', and completely forgot the true meaning of the world. Which was what I was talking about, although granted I wasn't really clear.
Which is supposed to be 'male chauvinism' as first wave feminists used it. People left out the 'male' part and started using it as 'chauvinism', and completely forgot the true meaning of the world. Which was what I was talking about, although granted I wasn't really clear.
You still lose. Your gimick isn't working with me. Be normal and vunrable once in a while, because we all know you just put up a front because you really are.
Poor little Micheal. I feel sad for you.
*weeps for Mike*
Anywho, was the term you were looking for child support?
Ok what mistakes do I hate...hmmmmzu (that's right; I said it).....
Everyone knows my answer already, so I won't even bother ^^.
CNagy
10-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Actually, "I could care less" is a form of sarcasm. It's not grammatically incorrect or incorrect in its meaning.
I don't know what different dimension you happen to reside in, but sarcasm has never been applied in any measure by anyone I've ever heard using the phrase. You can try to justify it all you want, but when someone says that they could care less, they are just spouting off a phrase that has become ingrained in their mind as meaning that they don't care. Trace it back far enough, and it might have been sarcastic. Now, it is not, and hasn't been for a long time.
Pete and Cheerios are right.
"I could care less" is an ironic way to say I don't care. The key is to infuse the word "could" with just the right mix of disdain and lethargy.
I could care less, but frankly, it's not worth the effort.
more cheerios
10-07-2005, 06:15 PM
I don't know what different dimension you happen to reside in, but sarcasm has never been applied in any measure by anyone I've ever heard using the phrase. You can try to justify it all you want, but when someone says that they could care less, they are just spouting off a phrase that has become ingrained in their mind as meaning that they don't care. Trace it back far enough, and it might have been sarcastic. Now, it is not, and hasn't been for a long time.
Dae pretty much already replied with a similar sentence that I was going to us.
CNagy
10-07-2005, 07:02 PM
Here is the answer:
[Q] From Leland Woodbury, New York; related questions came from Marc Schoenfeld in San Francisco and many others.: “Your discussion of the contradictory interpretations of cheap at half the price reminds me of a similar conundrum that keeps flustering me in comparing the phrases I couldn’t care less and I could care less, each of which (at least here in America) is used to mean the same thing (which is basically I really don’t care), even though their syntax suggests that they should be opposites.”
[A] The form I could care less has provoked a vast amount of comment and criticism in the past thirty years or so. Few people have had a kind word for it, and many have been vehemently opposed to it (William and Mary Morris, for example, in the Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage, back in 1975, called it “an ignorant debasement of language”, which seems much too powerful a condemnation). Writers are less inclined to abuse it these days, perhaps because Americans have had time to get used to it.
A bit of history first: the original expression, of course, was I couldn’t care less, meaning “it is impossible for me to have less interest or concern in this matter, since I am already utterly indifferent”. It is originally British. The first record of it in print I know of is in 1946, as the title of a book by Anthony Phelps, recording his experiences in Air Transport Auxiliary during World War II. By then it had clearly become sufficiently well known that he could rely on its being recognised. It seems to have reached the US some time in the 1950s and to have become popular in the latter part of that decade. The inverted form I could care less was coined in the US and is found only there. It may have begun to be used in the early 1960s, though it turns up in a written form only in 1966.
Why it lost its negative has been much discussed. It’s clear that the process is different from the shift in meaning that took place with cheap at half the price. In that case, the inversion was due to a mistaken interpretation of its meaning, as has happened, for example, with beg the question.
In these cases people have tried to apply logic, and it has failed them. Attempts to be logical about I could care less also fail. Taken literally, if one could care less, then one must care at least a little, which is obviously the opposite of what is meant. It is so clearly logical nonsense that to condemn it for being so (as some commentators have done) misses the point. The intent is obviously sarcastic—the speaker is really saying, “As if there was something in the world that I care less about”.
However, this doesn’t explain how it came about in the first place. Something caused the negative to vanish even while the original form of the expression was still very much in vogue and available for comparison. Stephen Pinker, in The Language Instinct, points out that the pattern of intonation in the two versions is very different.
There’s a close link between the stress pattern of I could care less and the kind that appears in certain sarcastic or self-deprecatory phrases that are associated with the Yiddish heritage and (especially) New York Jewish speech. Perhaps the best known is I should be so lucky!, in which the real sense is often “I have no hope of being so lucky”, a closely similar stress pattern with the same sarcastic inversion of meaning. There’s no evidence to suggest that I could care less came directly from Yiddish, but the similarity is suggestive. There are other American expressions that have a similar sarcastic inversion of apparent sense, such as Tell me about it!, which usually means “Don’t tell me about it, because I know all about it already”. These may come from similar sources.
So it’s actually a very interesting linguistic development. But it is still regarded as slangy, and also has some social class stigma attached. And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid. In such cases, the older form, while still rather colloquial, at least will communicate your meaning—at least to those who really could care less.
So, it did become sarcastic, but here is the problem with current usage: do you know why slogans are invented? They help someone remember a name brand. But slogans have a shelflife; eventually, a person tends to remember the slogan without remembering the brand it belonged to. "Fly the friendly skies," "Reach out and touch someone," "Have you had your break today?"-- these phrases eventually lost their original meaning and simply became words. Somewhere over the years, the phrase "Could care less" lost its sarcastic intonation. People know that it means that they, in fact, couldn't care less, but ask them why it means that and chances are you'll get a shrug or a blank look. Used in everyday conversation ("I could care less what so and so thinks") it is rarely, if ever, accompanied by sarcasm, though the idea that it actually means the opposite gets across because everyone is familiar with the colloquial phrase.
Matadon
10-08-2005, 07:12 PM
There are more. For example, when people call you a chauvinist.
Seriously people, 'chauvinist' characterizes people who wildly overestimate the excellence and importance of their own countries while denigrating others. Chauvinist does NOT mean "male sexist".
Also, “Over-exaggerated” is a redundancy. If something is exaggerated, it’s already overstressed.
Also, the I in 'Internet' needs to be capitalised at ALL TIMES. Just like the 'w' in World Wide Web.
At least according to Miriam Webster, a 'chauvinist' is both as you describe (also known as a 'jingoist'), as well as any individual who blindy believes that their group is inherently superior, with a special note that the word 'chauvinist' on its own usually applies to men who believe that women are inferior. So, yes, 'chauvinist' *does* mean 'male sexist', in addition to meaning 'jingoist', and 'asshole'.
Praetorian
10-08-2005, 07:16 PM
Nicolas Chauvin of Rochefort became a laughingstock in Napoleon’s army for his exaggerated nationalism, and his name gave rise to the term “chauvinism,” which characterizes people who wildly overestimate the excellence and importance of their own countries while denigrating others. The word was then broadened to cover an exaggerated belief in the superiority of one’s own kind in other respects. Following this pattern, feminists in the 1970s invented the term “male chauvinist” to label people who considered women inferior to men. Unfortunately, this was the context in which many people first encountered “chauvinism” and not understanding that it had a broader meaning, dropped the “male,” thinking that “chauvinist” was a synonym for “sexist.” This misunderstanding is so widespread that only occasionally will you encounter someone who knows better, but in formal writing it is wise to avoid the abbreviated form in this restricted meaning. However, if you do intend the older meaning of the word, it’s also a good idea to make that clear from your context, for a great many of your readers will assume you are talking about sexism.
^Not written by me.
Citizen
10-08-2005, 07:18 PM
Such a retarded thing to get angry and/or worry about.
Such a retarded thing to get angry and/or worry about.
Well it's Michael. He must "rule all and be all."
Of course he'll put up a fuss over something that he took the time to research which holds no real value in everyday life. :D :p
I love you Mike.
Annoying MSN Person
10-09-2005, 06:31 AM
I can't stand any of you. At all. For fuck's sake. Perfect example. Does any of this matter, whether one can construe the tone in which a comment is made?
meh. Consider me gone for the next while. Bitches.
(well, really I've got the next month to cram for final, end of school exams. But same/diff. Goodbye.)
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