Need laws against this?

[Trump]

:duh:

Did she come up with the idea to do this on her own?
http://www.whiotv.com/news/18813161/detail.html

Perhaps we should go back to the breeding laws discussion, this is just ridiculous.

[MNJetter]

Police say Comptom could have injured her child and others because she was breast feeding and talking on the cell phone while driving the vehicle.
Oh god. And she says she will do it again in the future if she feels it's necessary?

180 days is not enough...

[farstrider]

If the airbag did deploy, and kill her kid, I bet she'd be one of those idiots who would sue the vehicle manufacturer.

[SlickWilly440]

Well if one looks at this situations from a different perspective, this mother is the actual victim of society. A single mother who has to wake up early, day in and day out, to get her children ready for school, and she has so much to do that she doesn't even have time to breast feed her child and talk on the phone at home. So she has no other choice, but to resort to breastfeeding and talking on her cellphone while driving.

[mugen]

How dumb must you be to actually defend those actions and even go so far as to say you would do it again?
Well if one looks at this situations from a different perspective, this mother is the actual victim of society. A single mother who has to wake up early, day in and day out, to get her children ready for school, and she has so much to do that she doesn't even have time to breast feed her child and talk on the phone at home. So she has no other choice, but to resort to breastfeeding and talking on her cellphone while driving.
No.

[MNJetter]

Well if one looks at this situations from a different perspective, this mother is the actual victim of society. A single mother who has to wake up early, day in and day out, to get her children ready for school, and she has so much to do that she doesn't even have time to breast feed her child and talk on the phone at home. So she has no other choice, but to resort to breastfeeding and talking on her cellphone while driving.
Who said she was a single mother?

[darighaz]

Yea. you HAVE to breast feed. RIGHT then. cant wait at all.

[Roxie]

I can understand having to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY.

What I can't understand is not pulling over.

[D-pad]

I can understand having to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY.

I lol'd.

[SlickWilly440]

The officer that pulled her over clearly wanted to get a closer look of her breast feeding, as well as all the other drivers around her; which is a huge distraction to everyone else in the first place.

[japanat]

Yeah, 'cause breastfeeding is SUCH a turn on. :duh:

That lady doesn't sound like the brightest bulb in the pack. I think she really doesn't understand that the primary danger to her breastfeeding baby is her own body. The baby would go squish between her and the steering wheel/deploying airbag (and if it were teething, she'd be missing a teat!).

[Samurai_Pooh]

I can understand having to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY.


so can I, believe me

[MNJetter]

I can understand the instinct to breastfeed immediately, but the need? A crying baby (and the resulting clamor of annoyed kids) in a car are enough to try the patience of Buddha, but the baby isn't going to starve to death if you don't pull over and feed it right at that moment.

[Roxie]

B/c when your breasts fill up with milk it can hurt quite a lot.

[volomavi]

Just curious, 'cuz I really don't, nor will have anything to compare it to; but is it somewhat like you are walking along, everythings dandy, and out of nowhere you know that you have to go take a crap immediately?

[darighaz]

And yet, we manage to hold it till we get somewhere with a bathroom.

[farstrider]

And yet, we manage to hold it till we get somewhere with a bathroom.

Not always. I was walking back from class the other day, and passed an octogenarian who had obviously just taken a shit on the sidewalk...

[MeneerDijk]

Allright, i'll never know what it's like to breastfeed a baby... and i can understand breasts can hurt like hell when they're full of milk. And i can also understand that a hungry baby makes the worlds most annoying and alarming sound.

...that still doesn't justify breastfeeding your baby while operating a vehicle. She put herself in danger and most importantly her child. And to top this shit sundae off she was also using a cellphone... If someone would have cut her off she would have never been able to react, causing a potentially lethal crash... The baby would have gone flying through the car....

[ruaidhri]

What makes this case even more interesting is that the child is not a tiny baby but rather a young toddler of I estimate 2 to 3 years old. Still, it's just wrong to mix driving with any action that takes your full attention away from the road.

[Roxie]

Just curious, 'cuz I really don't, nor will have anything to compare it to; but is it somewhat like you are walking along, everythings dandy, and out of nowhere you know that you have to go take a crap immediately?
I don't know. I don't have any babies.

[Roxie]

...that still doesn't justify breastfeeding your baby while operating a vehicle.
which is why I said she should've pulled over...

[SlickWilly440]

which is why I said she should've pulled over...

But then her children would have been late for school.

[Roxie]

But then her children would have been late for school.
too bad.

[Trump]

It also begs the question, are her kids too good for the school bus?

[archdukezeb]

It also begs the question, are her kids too good for the school bus?

Ughhh. I hate when people say that and have absolutely no idea what "begging the question" means. If people didn't feel then need to sound all pseudo intellectual and just said "raises the question" they wouldn't make that mistake.

[volomavi]

Then what method do you propose that would pseudo judge our e-peen? How else do you propose we choose our alpha-geek?

[D-pad]

B/c when your breasts fill up with milk it can hurt quite a lot.

You know, when a hoe says no, right before you get to it, males get blue balls. I suppose next time that happens to me, I'll make sure to call you to let you know that I just couldn't put up with it anymore. :bang:

[MNJetter]

*sigh*

hoe (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoe?qsrc=2888)
http://www.southernobserver.com/images/hoe.jpg

vs.

ho (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ho)
http://www.robpongi.com/pics/RPBunnyRanch.jpg

Get them straight.

[Fred]

MNJetter - That was very funny!

[japanat]

Get them straight.So to speak...

[stsparky]

I think the existing laws need to applied. Though I'd stick all the "professional idiot" moms in a group home until they master some basics and common sense.

[Roxie]

You know, when a hoe says no, right before you get to it, males get blue balls. I suppose next time that happens to me, I'll make sure to call you to let you know that I just couldn't put up with it anymore. :bang:
:boggled: wtf?

[japanat]

Hey, D-Pad, do you blow your wad whenever your lady calls you? 'Cause that's what happens to ladies with full breasts - baby cries, they leak.

But I still think the lady is a moron. Pull the damned car over, and be 5 minutes late to daycare/work. If she wants to risk her own life, so be it. But it's not just her children who are at risk - She's putting every driver who shares the road with her at risk as well.

[D-pad]

I'm just saying discomfort is no excuse to be an idiot.

[Roxie]

then what is your excuse?
I said she should've pulled over, already, sheesh!

[Trump]

Roxie, you wonder why people got up against you for saying that? Your argument about being so full of milk suddenly, randomly, is quite simply, stupid. It is the kind of stupid that gets people made fun of for years in a group of friends.

It isn't like the woman doesn't know when she's going to be full. OK, she might not know the exact minute, but it's not like it just surprises you. If it has been a few hours since feeding, you know the milk has been building up for a while. If you fed 10 minutes ago, you're good for a while.

Your argument is equivalent to saying someone isn't responsible if they stayed up all night and then gets surprised when they are tired the next day. You know that you need sleep every so often just like you know you need to feed a baby every so often.

[Roxie]

wtf?
is my text invisible or something?

I said I understand the need she might have to have to breastfeed her baby immediately. However, I DO NOT understand the need to do it whilst driving.
As I have said, three times prior, she should've pulled over.
I'm not excusing her actions at all...and if you can't see that, go get JJ Abrams, cause you're fucking lost.
So no, I don't understand why people are upset or in disagreement with my arguement.

[Kannon]

go get JJ Abrams, cause you're fucking lost
Ahehehe

[geesehoward4life]

go get JJ Abrams, cause you're fucking lost


LOL! Now that, was funny.

[D-pad]

...and if you can't see that, go get JJ Abrams, cause you're fucking lost.

Go read Twilight, cause your a fucking dumb ass.

[Roxie]

:rofl:

[MNJetter]

For pity's sake, d-pad, you're not even trying anymore.

Trump, I really don't think you've actually read any of Roxie's posts since the one where she mentioned milk.

[farstrider]

Go read Twilight, cause your a fucking dumb ass.

:rofl:

For pity's sake, d-pad, you're not even trying anymore.

Is there some sort of inside joke playing around here that I'm not getting? :innocent:

[Trump]

Trump, I really don't think you've actually read any of Roxie's posts since the one where she mentioned milk.

Apparently you didn't actually read my response either...

Roxie wonders why people were giving her such flak about her argument, and I was explaining that it was just a really *really* stupid argument the way it was presented. I understand that she has said it is still not a reasonable excuse for not pulling over, but that does NOT excuse the original statement ...

I can understand having to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY.
B/c when your breasts fill up with milk it can hurt quite a lot.

The only way you can have to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY is if you've been putting it off for way too long, and that is a conscious choice made by the mother. The choice to put off breastfeeding implies the whole process did not happen immediately. So again, as responding to your original argument, it is a REALLY stupid arguement. Have I spelled it out slowly enough for you?

[Roxie]

It doesn't matter if she chose to put it off and now the urge is immediate. B/c it is IMMEDIATE. I can understand an immediacy. I can't condone having to do it WHILE driving. It's pretty simple

This wouldn't have been a story if she had pulled over. This wouldn't have been a story had she been in her home. It is only a story b/c she was doing these things WHILE driving. The story isn't about her failed ability to plan, it's about her driving while doing these things. They're not going to give her a ticket of "inability to plan well". She'd get get a ticket for endangerment or reckless driving, etc..

You're coming off like you're picking at things just to pick at them.

I can sympathize with an urgent need. I can't sympathize the driving. It's really not any more complicated than that.

[MNJetter]

The only way you can have to breastfeed IMMEDIATELY is if you've been putting it off for way too long, and that is a conscious choice made by the mother. The choice to put off breastfeeding implies the whole process did not happen immediately.
Actually, that's not the only way. When a baby cries, it triggers the pain. It's not simply a slow buildup. Thus, it's also incredibly easy to assume you've still got a half hour or an hour till you need to feed, especially if the baby is fast asleep. It's not like you're going to wake it up just to feed before you drive 10 minutes to drop your kids off at school. I mean, you're a man, right? I'm sure you can understand the concept of an involuntary biological reaction to an external stimulus.

[farstrider]

I mean, you're a man, right? I'm sure you can understand the concept of an involuntary biological reaction to an external stimulus.

Damn those warm, gentle breezes :innocent:

[Kannon]

Not being one who lactates; I can only speculate. My imagination tends to think the sensation would be like a slowly filling bladder. You don't just all of a sudden HAVE TO PEE RIGHT NOW!!!! You go oh, I'm going to have to urinate soon. Shortly thereafter you have to take care of your business. If this is wrong, then I can see the need to do it immediately, although pulling over would've been the smart move. If not, well then even with an immediate need to breast feed, yeah pull the hell over.

[MNJetter]

One of my best friends has a 6-month-old, so I've heard all about it, though I haven't got any firsthand experience. Yes, there is the slowly filling thing. But even if you're not full enough to really notice, when the baby cries, you react with pain, and sometimes even leakage. My friend isn't even breastfeeding anymore, and when the baby cries, she still feels pain.

[SlickWilly440]

I'm sure you can understand the concept of an involuntary biological reaction to an external stimulus.

Yeah, like getting goose bumps on your skin when it's cold outside.

[japanat]

Yeah, like getting goose bumps on your skin when it's cold outside.Is that what she called it?....:box:


MNJ,
My wife would start to leak almost immediately if one of the kids bawled at the right pitch. Didn't matter if she'd just fed or not, either; she just had to put pads in her bra to catch leakage enough that she wouldn't be embarrassed. And she'd pull the car over immediately, or deal with the leak.

[Digital Masta]

I take it your wife has never been to this forum before. :P

[japanat]

And if she does, I'll be racing to erase!

[Fred]

It seems like this conversation has moved from whether or not the breast-feeding woman was a dumb-ass to whether or not there can be such a thing as an immediate need to breastfeed.

As for the dumb-ass part, it seems like everyone is in agreement. There was no excuse for her to breastfeed her child while driving.

As far as the word “immediate” is concerned, I think it is not the most appropriate term. I think the word “urgency” is a better one. There are, of course, degrees of urgency. The cry of a hungry newborn can create an incredible sense of urgency in a very small amount of time. I speak from personal experience.

That said, I don’t think the woman breastfed her child out of a sense of urgency. Didn’t she say something to the effect that she thought it was her right to breastfeed her child whenever and wherever she wanted? Moreover, I believe Japanat mentioned that the child wasn’t even a newborn. As I recall, he thought the child was 2-3 years old. So, I don’t think she felt either an immediate or an urgent need to breastfeed her child. In fact, I think she planned it. It is not easy to get a small child out of a car seat and latched on unless both of your hands are free or the child has enough mobility to get himself out of the car seat and latched on. I really think she is just a dumb-ass.

As for Roxie’s comment about sympathizing with the need to breastfeed a child, it makes perfect sense to me. I have been in a car with a newborn baby screaming his lungs out because he was hungry. If you breastfeed your child (meaning you do not have a bottle handy), there is nothing you can do but pull over and feed the critter.

[SlickWilly440]

As for Roxie’s comment about sympathizing with the need to breastfeed a child, it makes perfect sense to me. I have been in a car with a newborn baby screaming his lungs out because he was hungry. If you breastfeed your child (meaning you do not have a bottle handy), there is nothing you can do but pull over and feed the critter.

Unless the passenger is willing to hold the baby during the feeding, while the mother has her hands at 10 and 2.

[MNJetter]

Except that that's just as illegal as what the mom in the OP's article did. No matter who's holding it, if your small child is out of its carseat, you get busted for reckless endangerment or negligence or whatever it was.